As I've mentioned in other posts, this was one of the main reasons I left DF. Everything else, for the most part in DF was great. I still play CoD4 and MW2 and the amount of hopping fairies is unbelievable. I have no problem with the posters that said it is a valid game mechanic. I don't have a problem with people saying it's a viable fighting tactic, etc.
OP asked if it looks silly. It does. I also agree with someone else about Mount and Blade, you can do it, but there is a cooldown. Funny you posted a vid of DF to support this argument OP. Ship spinning in EvE has no relevance at all to bunnyhopping btw.
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If we're only talking about "jumping around constantly" here, then I agree that it looks ridiculous and takes you out of the game.
People aren't jumping around endlessly in real life, because it's tiring. It should be tiring in a make believe world full of dragons and fireballs too, because it takes away from the believability of it and it should be restricted in a game for the same reason.
Jumping around like a WoWtard is essentallity the same thing as listening to Jar Jar Binks in Episode 1 of Star Wars. It's extremely annoying and almost makes you wish you weren't there to see (or hear) it.
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I'll make the argument that bunny hopping is ok because my opinion is that it's a GOOD mechanic. That way me and that other guy can both base our arguments on personal opinion and everyone wins. Yay!
What do you think Virus, is bunny hopping ok?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
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Oh hey, this is like when people took the word "ganking" and made it synonamous with PKing, even though someone that PK's isn't necessarily ganking (ganking means to do it with far greater numbers btw you fucking WoW retards).
Someone actually thinks bunny hopping is simply running around jumping constantly? That's funny, cause it's not. Bunny hopping is timed jumping that increases momentum. It is unique to certain FPS games and has nothing to do with jumping for the sake of jumping.
Who cares though, right? You WoWheads never cared for what terms meant in the first place. You just change something from one definition (that makes sense) to another (that doesn't)!
Bunny Hopping is pretty clearly a generalized term which can refer to people who jump constantly. If you're going to insist it only applies to Quake-style bunny hopping (with speed acceleration) then I think I might laugh at you.
Similarly, anyone who thinks WOW isn't a massively multiplayer online RPG is also a little deserving of laughter.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I'll make the argument that bunny hopping is ok because my opinion is that it's a GOOD mechanic. That way me and that other guy can both base our arguments on personal opinion and everyone wins. Yay!
What do you think Virus, is bunny hopping ok?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Personally, I think it looks ridiculous. Seems that people forget the "RP" in MMORPG stands for "Role Playing".
While I understand that it is hard to make a "realism" argument against bunny hopping while you are shooting fireballs and such, but there has to be a valid "silly" argument.
I'll make the argument that bunny hopping is ok because my opinion is that it's a GOOD mechanic. That way me and that other guy can both base our arguments on personal opinion and everyone wins. Yay!
What do you think Virus, is bunny hopping ok?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
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Asking for realism in a MMORPG is just stupid, however asking for the game to be realistic/logical within it's own world is not...and by that bunny hopping is ridiculous.
AoC was the only game where hopping was good. Hopping should slow down your character from regular running, and it should also cancel any attacks your character is doing. Having a hop as a part of an attack/skill animation makes perfect sense, but go in your backyard and try to swing something at full speed while in the middle of a jump, doesn't work and makes combat look silly. In fact I even think strafing while running forward looks stupid when the body of your character shifts, but I can live with that...I've always thought click to move games like Lineage 2 had the best looking movement/combat....TERA will be the best though.
it 'fits' the genre just as much as a flying mount does.
There are good arguements against bunny hoping but the this one is really weak.
How about this, in the context of darkfall the spell called 'begone' is not even used for what its supposed to be used for because it works better as a bunny hop. THAT is why it should be fixed, not because it doesnt 'fit' the genre.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'll make the argument that bunny hopping is ok because my opinion is that it's a GOOD mechanic. That way me and that other guy can both base our arguments on personal opinion and everyone wins. Yay!
What do you think Virus, is bunny hopping ok?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
Oh right. Yeah I'm on board with the "it's not realistic, and it clearly looks silly" bandwagon.
Fun factor is another matter entirely though and bunny hopping adds an interesting dynamic to an entire range of games (although DF's bunny hopping is sort of ridiculous.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
Ehhh... ok.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
Oh right. Yeah I'm on board with the "it's not realistic, and it clearly looks silly" bandwagon.
Fun factor is another matter entirely though and bunny hopping adds an interesting dynamic to an entire range of games (although DF's bunny hopping is sort of ridiculous.)
To an extent, it comes down to how it is implemented - the game it is implemented in, etc.
In general though, bunny hopping and strafe jumping should not be confused. Bunny hopping started out as a bug. Many games seek to patch it out or limit it, leaving many players to use hacks and the like.
Still, I think about gauss jumping in HLDM as opposed to the hot feet jumping in CS... though the gauss jumping could be used as a form of strafe jumping; it also allowed for a method of pseudo bunny hopping that was not as comical as just hopping around.
A major issue that I have with it comes from the lack of collision - where Player A hops through Player B.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
Ehhh... ok.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
In the Yoda vs. Dooku fight, Yoda proves to be the most hardcore bunny hopper in the universe.
Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
Ehhh... ok.
A person goes through Level 1-12 in school. They go through 4 levels in college/university. When they are at work, they work through various pay grades/job titles. Leveling makes sense. In fictional works, characters show growth - it is pretty straight forward.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
They are constantly jumping around all over the place...where?
You will have rare moments where jumping is used for better positioning, but they are not jumping around like a toddler in Winter clothing that needs to go the bathroom and cannot get undressed fast enough...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
A person goes through Level 1-12 in school. They go through 4 levels in college/university. When they are at work, they work through various pay grades/job titles. Leveling makes sense. In fictional works, characters show growth - it is pretty straight forward.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
They are constantly jumping around all over the place...where?
You will have rare moments where jumping is used for better positioning, but they are not jumping around like a toddler in Winter clothing that needs to go the bathroom and cannot get undressed fast enough...
I don't see people jumping around all the time in games either. But it's an option. Just like it is in Star Wars and real life.
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
Ehhh... ok.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
In the Yoda vs. Dooku fight, Yoda proves to be the most hardcore bunny hopper in the universe.
Right, and people jump in real life too. All the time. Have you ever played volleyball? Have you ever played Basketball?
His argument is completely flawed, but he wants to hold onto it for some reason.
Yoda jumps around. Dooku does not. It is a height thing and liberal license. Luke vs. Vader? Does not happen. Later fights with Yoda? Does not happen. Another fight from the movies? Nope. Does not happen.
Lol, volleyball - players dive for balls if needed - they jump up to spike... they are not constantly bouncing around the court or on the beach. Basketball - they jump to take a shot or block a shot... they are not constantly bouncing around.
No, my argument is not flawed in the least... and the more you post, the better my argument becomes as you provide further evidence that I was either too lazy to provide or simply did not think of... so keep it up, you're doing great!
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
I'd rather have bunny hopping than no hopping. Easy fix is to assign fatigue effects. Constant hopping would burn you out quickly with a longer recover time ..thus making you an easier.(exhausted and slow moving) .or at least ..a typical target. While controlled leaps and dodge jumps would cause fatigue at different rates...but could be easily managed like all other status bars.As long as the action does not endlessly burn energy and cause fatigue ...then you can fight on. The fatigue/energy balance could be used with other actions beside jumping...of course..running/sprinting being the next obvious. Wielding heavy armor / weapons would modify fatigue effects as well as strength and constitution. etc...etc.
A person goes through Level 1-12 in school. They go through 4 levels in college/university. When they are at work, they work through various pay grades/job titles. Leveling makes sense. In fictional works, characters show growth - it is pretty straight forward.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
They are constantly jumping around all over the place...where?
You will have rare moments where jumping is used for better positioning, but they are not jumping around like a toddler in Winter clothing that needs to go the bathroom and cannot get undressed fast enough...
I don't see people jumping around all the time in games either. But it's an option. Just like it is in Star Wars and real life.
The discussion is not about having jumping in a game or not. It is about bunny hopping - which is constant jumping in an attempt to gain an advantage... the constant jumping is just plain silly looking.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
I'd rather have bunny hopping than no hopping. Easy fix is to assign fatigue effects. Constant hopping would burn you out quickly with a longer recover time ..thus making you an easier.(exhausted and slow moving) .or at least ..a typical target. While controlled leaps and dodge jumps would cause fatigue at different rates...but could be easily managed like all other status bars.As long as the action does not endlessly burn energy and cause fatigue ...then you can fight on. The fatigue/energy balance could be used with other actions beside jumping...of course..running/sprinting being the next obvious. Wielding heavy armor / weapons would modify fatigue effects as well as strength and constitution. etc...etc.
This falls in with what I believe would work. Tactical jumping with fatigue makes sense.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
A person goes through Level 1-12 in school. They go through 4 levels in college/university. When they are at work, they work through various pay grades/job titles. Leveling makes sense. In fictional works, characters show growth - it is pretty straight forward.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
They are constantly jumping around all over the place...where?
You will have rare moments where jumping is used for better positioning, but they are not jumping around like a toddler in Winter clothing that needs to go the bathroom and cannot get undressed fast enough...
I don't see people jumping around all the time in games either. But it's an option. Just like it is in Star Wars and real life.
The discussion is not about having jumping in a game or not. It is about bunny hopping - which is constant jumping in an attempt to gain an advantage... the constant jumping is just plain silly looking.
To you it's silly looking. To me it's a game.
To me, using an argument that says, "if the IP doesn't have bunny hopping then don't allow it," is silly. I'm sure you can see why. There are tons of things in games that don't follow IP. Removing those things would make for a game that wasn't fun. Bunny hopping is only different in that it is silly looking to you personally.
A person goes through Level 1-12 in school. They go through 4 levels in college/university. When they are at work, they work through various pay grades/job titles. Leveling makes sense. In fictional works, characters show growth - it is pretty straight forward.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
They are constantly jumping around all over the place...where?
You will have rare moments where jumping is used for better positioning, but they are not jumping around like a toddler in Winter clothing that needs to go the bathroom and cannot get undressed fast enough...
I don't see people jumping around all the time in games either. But it's an option. Just like it is in Star Wars and real life.
The discussion is not about having jumping in a game or not. It is about bunny hopping - which is constant jumping in an attempt to gain an advantage... the constant jumping is just plain silly looking.
To you it's silly looking. To me it's a game.
To me, using an argument that says, "if the IP doesn't have bunny hopping then don't allow it," is silly. I'm sure you can see why. There are tons of things in games that don't follow IP. Removing those things would make for a game that wasn't fun. Bunny hopping is only different in that it is silly looking to you personally.
It is silly in general. Not just silly looking. How silly looking simply stands out...because that is what you see when somebody is doing it.
A dive and roll... is not bunny hopping. Jumping back out of range of a melee attack... is not bunny hopping. Jumping behind cover... is not bunny hopping. Jumping into melee range... is not bunny hopping.
Jumping around like you need to go wee wee or like you have fire ants in your socks... bunny hopping... is just silly.
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I usually role play as a character who has part rabbit DNA in their genes.
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As I've mentioned in other posts, this was one of the main reasons I left DF. Everything else, for the most part in DF was great. I still play CoD4 and MW2 and the amount of hopping fairies is unbelievable. I have no problem with the posters that said it is a valid game mechanic. I don't have a problem with people saying it's a viable fighting tactic, etc.
OP asked if it looks silly. It does. I also agree with someone else about Mount and Blade, you can do it, but there is a cooldown. Funny you posted a vid of DF to support this argument OP. Ship spinning in EvE has no relevance at all to bunnyhopping btw.
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If we're only talking about "jumping around constantly" here, then I agree that it looks ridiculous and takes you out of the game.
People aren't jumping around endlessly in real life, because it's tiring. It should be tiring in a make believe world full of dragons and fireballs too, because it takes away from the believability of it and it should be restricted in a game for the same reason.
Jumping around like a WoWtard is essentallity the same thing as listening to Jar Jar Binks in Episode 1 of Star Wars. It's extremely annoying and almost makes you wish you weren't there to see (or hear) it.
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Name one well known movie or one well known book... where bunny hopping takes place, eh?
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Ganking isn't simple PKing. It's killing someone who's busy doing other crap (usually PVE.)
Bunny Hopping is pretty clearly a generalized term which can refer to people who jump constantly. If you're going to insist it only applies to Quake-style bunny hopping (with speed acceleration) then I think I might laugh at you.
Similarly, anyone who thinks WOW isn't a massively multiplayer online RPG is also a little deserving of laughter.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
There are an awful lot of fun game mechanics which don't exist in movies or books. Are you really arguing that unless something exists in a movie/book (and a well-known one at that) that it doesn't belong in a game?
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
completely random.
what does RP have to do with bunny hoping?
Son you have the continuity of an all night coke party
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Perhaps I snipped too much - this was in continuation of the "realism" argument. Comparing it to accepted "unrealistic" elements is a failed argument.
It does not fit the MMORPG genre...which draws heavily from both literature and movies.
That you consider it a "fun" game mechanic is purely subjective...and does not mean that it fits the genre.
If a person is going to include bunny hopping in an IP, then bunny hopping should be part of that IP. If not, then there is no place for it...
...not exactly rocket science.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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Asking for realism in a MMORPG is just stupid, however asking for the game to be realistic/logical within it's own world is not...and by that bunny hopping is ridiculous.
AoC was the only game where hopping was good. Hopping should slow down your character from regular running, and it should also cancel any attacks your character is doing. Having a hop as a part of an attack/skill animation makes perfect sense, but go in your backyard and try to swing something at full speed while in the middle of a jump, doesn't work and makes combat look silly. In fact I even think strafing while running forward looks stupid when the body of your character shifts, but I can live with that...I've always thought click to move games like Lineage 2 had the best looking movement/combat....TERA will be the best though.
it 'fits' the genre just as much as a flying mount does.
There are good arguements against bunny hoping but the this one is really weak.
How about this, in the context of darkfall the spell called 'begone' is not even used for what its supposed to be used for because it works better as a bunny hop. THAT is why it should be fixed, not because it doesnt 'fit' the genre.
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Oh right. Yeah I'm on board with the "it's not realistic, and it clearly looks silly" bandwagon.
Fun factor is another matter entirely though and bunny hopping adds an interesting dynamic to an entire range of games (although DF's bunny hopping is sort of ridiculous.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
That argument is flawed.
Leveling is not part of the Star Wars IP. Should they remove it from SW:TOR?
Leveling is part of it. A Jedi starts out as a padawan... works their way up through the ranks. "Leveling" is a part of life. Want to try again?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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Ehhh... ok.
Bunny hopping is part of it. Jedi's are constantly jumping around all over the place.
To an extent, it comes down to how it is implemented - the game it is implemented in, etc.
In general though, bunny hopping and strafe jumping should not be confused. Bunny hopping started out as a bug. Many games seek to patch it out or limit it, leaving many players to use hacks and the like.
Still, I think about gauss jumping in HLDM as opposed to the hot feet jumping in CS... though the gauss jumping could be used as a form of strafe jumping; it also allowed for a method of pseudo bunny hopping that was not as comical as just hopping around.
A major issue that I have with it comes from the lack of collision - where Player A hops through Player B.
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In the Yoda vs. Dooku fight, Yoda proves to be the most hardcore bunny hopper in the universe.
Right, and people jump in real life too. All the time. Have you ever played volleyball? Have you ever played Basketball?
His argument is completely flawed, but he wants to hold onto it for some reason.
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I don't see people jumping around all the time in games either. But it's an option. Just like it is in Star Wars and real life.
Yoda jumps around. Dooku does not. It is a height thing and liberal license. Luke vs. Vader? Does not happen. Later fights with Yoda? Does not happen. Another fight from the movies? Nope. Does not happen.
Lol, volleyball - players dive for balls if needed - they jump up to spike... they are not constantly bouncing around the court or on the beach. Basketball - they jump to take a shot or block a shot... they are not constantly bouncing around.
No, my argument is not flawed in the least... and the more you post, the better my argument becomes as you provide further evidence that I was either too lazy to provide or simply did not think of... so keep it up, you're doing great!
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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I'd rather have bunny hopping than no hopping. Easy fix is to assign fatigue effects. Constant hopping would burn you out quickly with a longer recover time ..thus making you an easier.(exhausted and slow moving) .or at least ..a typical target. While controlled leaps and dodge jumps would cause fatigue at different rates...but could be easily managed like all other status bars.As long as the action does not endlessly burn energy and cause fatigue ...then you can fight on. The fatigue/energy balance could be used with other actions beside jumping...of course..running/sprinting being the next obvious. Wielding heavy armor / weapons would modify fatigue effects as well as strength and constitution. etc...etc.
The discussion is not about having jumping in a game or not. It is about bunny hopping - which is constant jumping in an attempt to gain an advantage... the constant jumping is just plain silly looking.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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This falls in with what I believe would work. Tactical jumping with fatigue makes sense.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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To you it's silly looking. To me it's a game.
To me, using an argument that says, "if the IP doesn't have bunny hopping then don't allow it," is silly. I'm sure you can see why. There are tons of things in games that don't follow IP. Removing those things would make for a game that wasn't fun. Bunny hopping is only different in that it is silly looking to you personally.
It is silly in general. Not just silly looking. How silly looking simply stands out...because that is what you see when somebody is doing it.
A dive and roll... is not bunny hopping. Jumping back out of range of a melee attack... is not bunny hopping. Jumping behind cover... is not bunny hopping. Jumping into melee range... is not bunny hopping.
Jumping around like you need to go wee wee or like you have fire ants in your socks... bunny hopping... is just silly.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%