End-Game

Rakatee

So I just came back to LOTRO for F2P but the game seems limited without spending any money. I am thinking about subscribing but I am worried about the end-game content. Is there much to do at 65? I have heard the raids aren't that fun and are their a lot of people doing MPvP?

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xxSHIFTYxx

yeah man end game right now sucks ass.....turbine killed it by releasing the FUBAR Mirkwood. There adding a new 12 man in the next add on i heard, thank god cause BG (the current 12 man) is the biggest POS raid I've ever been a part of....

So yeah end game kinda sucks right now, with how bad mirkwood bomb (which i would loosely call an xpac) if Isengard fails this game is done......

This is just my opinion so you forum nazi's take it easy on me.

fistorm

Originally posted by Rakatee

So I just came back to LOTRO for F2P but the game seems limited without spending any money. I am thinking about subscribing but I am worried about the end-game content. Is there much to do at 65? I have heard the raids aren't that fun and are their a lot of people doing MPvP?

 There seems to be a ton to do still, theres never enough time to do it all.   Everyones doing GS daily mostly, and always hearing about raids in chat so seems to me to be pretty busy yet.

Think about staying f2p but buying all the content, it'll be like having a lifetime subscription.

 

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Yeah I think mirkwood wasnt as good as moria.   I think moria was the best expansion I ever seen on an mmo.  it was heavily dwarf though and rich with lore.   While mirkwood was suppose to be more elf, but somehow the storyline epic was drug down by the escorting of a mob from moria,  I wish it was a bit better, but I think thats why they came out with that alternate zone.

You can level through that alternate zone instead of mirkwood now, and the devs even said that on the forum, they put that in when they launched f2p.

I bet the Isenguard will be aloooot better, just because of the amount of structure and story there is too it.   not just some forest of mystrey lol.

xxSHIFTYxx

Originally posted by fistorm

Originally posted by Rakatee

So I just came back to LOTRO for F2P but the game seems limited without spending any money. I am thinking about subscribing but I am worried about the end-game content. Is there much to do at 65? I have heard the raids aren't that fun and are their a lot of people doing MPvP?

 There seems to be a ton to do still, theres never enough time to do it all.   Everyones doing GS daily mostly, and always hearing about raids in chat so seems to me to be pretty busy yet.

Think about staying f2p but buying all the content, it'll be like having a lifetime subscription.

 

added:

Yeah I think mirkwood wasnt as good as moria.   I think moria was the best expansion I ever seen on an mmo.  it was heavily dwarf though and rich with lore.   While mirkwood was suppose to be more elf, but somehow the storyline epic was drug down by the escorting of a mob from moria,  I wish it was a bit better, but I think thats why they came out with that alternate zone.

You can level through that alternate zone instead of mirkwood now, and the devs even said that on the forum, they put that in when they launched f2p.

I bet the Isenguard will be aloooot better, just because of the amount of structure and story there is too it.   not just some forest of mystrey lol.

I'm really stoked for Isengard I think it will be just as good as Moria. Turbine dropped the ball on Mirkwood but I think they learned their lesson.

Gruug

Threre is raiding, solo and group instanced skirmishes, PvMP, crafting, traits to grind, reputation to grind (or earn if you like) and more. I myself am not much into raiding but do like the skirmishes. You can also roll an alt for those "off times" and see how other classes work. So, yes, there is a lot to do.

trancejeremy

Originally posted by Raserei

I wouldn't judge a game only on its end game. Take WoW for example... I had a ton of fun leveling through the content. Deadmines, BRD, UK..... Stuff like that....  LOTRO offers the same things WoW offers such as dungeons and crafting. But to be honest, LOTRO offers more things to do as you level. Such as skirmishes, deeds, epic zones (Large scale, great design), among other things.  This game is well worth the time spent leveling.

 

Im currently level 52 and I started September 10th when they went free to play. Im just as new as the next guy.

So basically in 2 weeks, you've exhuasted oh, 70% of the content in the game. And you think LOTRO offers you so many things? If you're still playing and this happy in a year, then your opinion would carry a lot more weight...

UW1975

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by Raserei

I wouldn't judge a game only on its end game. Take WoW for example... I had a ton of fun leveling through the content. Deadmines, BRD, UK..... Stuff like that....  LOTRO offers the same things WoW offers such as dungeons and crafting. But to be honest, LOTRO offers more things to do as you level. Such as skirmishes, deeds, epic zones (Large scale, great design), among other things.  This game is well worth the time spent leveling.

 

Im currently level 52 and I started September 10th when they went free to play. Im just as new as the next guy.

So basically in 2 weeks, you've exhuasted oh, 70% of the content in the game. And you think LOTRO offers you so many things? If you're still playing and this happy in a year, then your opinion would carry a lot more weight...

you think that getting to level 52 is already completing 70% of the game?

Now I know why you have no clue what you are talking about when you rant about LOTRO

Rakatee

Well thanks for all the replies, now I have a new question. If I was going to pay should I buy everything from the store or just sub for a couple months to level up?

xxSHIFTYxx

do a sub man best way to go.

UW1975

I agree. Go for a 3 month sub, it is only 10$ a month. Unless you are absolutely broke, that's the best deal. And you get 500 turbine points each month

 

Rakatee

But I dont have to use those points to unlock quests right? Since I subscribed they all unlock?

UW1975

Correct.

 

By  subbing, you get access to all zones and all quests, hence you can fully enjoy the game with no limits. IMHO, if you plan to play much more than a few times here and there, that's the best way to play LOTRO

 

I was talking about points, because you can save them down the road for the new expac or to buy some additional fluffs

Thomas2006

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by Raserei

I wouldn't judge a game only on its end game. Take WoW for example... I had a ton of fun leveling through the content. Deadmines, BRD, UK..... Stuff like that....  LOTRO offers the same things WoW offers such as dungeons and crafting. But to be honest, LOTRO offers more things to do as you level. Such as skirmishes, deeds, epic zones (Large scale, great design), among other things.  This game is well worth the time spent leveling.

 

Im currently level 52 and I started September 10th when they went free to play. Im just as new as the next guy.

So basically in 2 weeks, you've exhuasted oh, 70% of the content in the game. And you think LOTRO offers you so many things? If you're still playing and this happy in a year, then your opinion would carry a lot more weight...

If that was the case then for a game like World of Warcraft you could blow through 90% of the content in 2 1/2 days. Since you can easily level 1 to 70 in 2 1/2 days played time.

Unfortently that is not how game content works by any stretch of the imagination. There is always more then one way to level through the game.  Just like in WoW LOTRO has multiple ways to get from the ground floor to the top level.

Pryetta

Originally posted by UW1975

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by Raserei

I wouldn't judge a game only on its end game. Take WoW for example... I had a ton of fun leveling through the content. Deadmines, BRD, UK..... Stuff like that....  LOTRO offers the same things WoW offers such as dungeons and crafting. But to be honest, LOTRO offers more things to do as you level. Such as skirmishes, deeds, epic zones (Large scale, great design), among other things.  This game is well worth the time spent leveling.

 

Im currently level 52 and I started September 10th when they went free to play. Im just as new as the next guy.

So basically in 2 weeks, you've exhuasted oh, 70% of the content in the game. And you think LOTRO offers you so many things? If you're still playing and this happy in a year, then your opinion would carry a lot more weight...

you think that getting to level 52 is already completing 70% of the game?

Now I know why you have no clue what you are talking about when you rant about LOTRO

He doesn't...you should see his other posts about LOTRO, he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He is just posting to post. There is no end-content for this game because the story has yet to end, when it ends...they could very well go on to other stories, Tolkien didn't just end with Lord of the Rings...nor did he begin with Lord of the Rings.

Sovrath

Originally posted by Rakatee

So I just came back to LOTRO for F2P but the game seems limited without spending any money. I am thinking about subscribing but I am worried about the end-game content. Is there much to do at 65? I have heard the raids aren't that fun and are their a lot of people doing MPvP?

LOTRO really was never about "end game".

There are raids and I've enjoyed each one Iv'e been on the few times I've done them. However, even though I have my full radiance set I don't really raid a lot.

If one is a hard core raider or pvp'er then it could be hard for them. There are raids and there is monster play for pvp. There's crafting/selling, skirmishes, working on your legendary items, exploring other classes, doing the Book quests, or just exploring the land and see what trouble you can get into.

Jackdog

while ingame a few min ago I counted the number of instanced classic dungeons available some are small fellowship (3) some fellowship ( 6), some 12 man, some 24 man and on a lot of them you scale as to number of people and the level rewards.

there are:

• 
  1 level 20 - 65
• 
  1 level 22 - 65
• 
  1 level 24 - 65
• 
  3 level 39
• 
  1 level 50
• 
  11 level 50 - 65
• 
  4 level 54
• 
  2 level 59
• 
  9 level 60
• 
  5 level 65

I can see where the trolls are coming from, there is a damn thing to do in this game. Only 19 instanced encounters available at 65

Torluk

I've had a blast over the past 3 years in PvMP, exclusively creepside, but Turbine doesn't spend much of their resources in advancing it.  If you can put up with that then you can find some good times.  Brandywine and Elendilmir have good PvP populations but in my opinion some of the smaller servers, Nimrodel for example, have better PvP because there is less zerg vs zerg action.

Other than that all you have freepside at endgame is different flavoured grinds.  Legendary Item grinds, gear grinds, rep grinds, deed grinds, daily grinds etc.  Unless you were like me in which case you can amuse yourself by running group content for fun rather than rewards while helping out your kin members.

With every opportunity Turbine has been adding more grind to this game because back in SoA they were losing subs as the folk hitting endgame would burn through the new book content in a day or two each update and complain that they had nothing left to do.  If you don't mind some grind then it'll be a while before you have a character completely maxed out in gear, deeds and rep.

In these newer MMORPGs where you level to the cap in no time at all they have to find ways to 'hide' continued character advancement which takes its form most often through repetitive content.  It's absurd that in order to make games more casual friendly and less time consuming to reach the cap they've ended up making them seem more grindtastic to keep the hardcore folk who can't pace themselves subbing.

If I remember correctly, there was even an article on here a month or two ago where a member of Turbine's dev team took part in an interview and claimed that the best way to make grinds more fun was to add more of them.  Crazy stuff, I know.

Philby

Originally posted by UW1975

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by Raserei

I wouldn't judge a game only on its end game. Take WoW for example... I had a ton of fun leveling through the content. Deadmines, BRD, UK..... Stuff like that....  LOTRO offers the same things WoW offers such as dungeons and crafting. But to be honest, LOTRO offers more things to do as you level. Such as skirmishes, deeds, epic zones (Large scale, great design), among other things.  This game is well worth the time spent leveling.

 

Im currently level 52 and I started September 10th when they went free to play. Im just as new as the next guy.

So basically in 2 weeks, you've exhuasted oh, 70% of the content in the game. And you think LOTRO offers you so many things? If you're still playing and this happy in a year, then your opinion would carry a lot more weight...

you think that getting to level 52 is already completing 70% of the game?

Now I know why you have no clue what you are talking about when you rant about LOTRO

From what Raserei wrote he is not interested much in end game. That being the case I think  Jeremy hit pretty close to the mark. At 52 since sept. 10 another month and Ras will be out of  content. and the way Turbine has been releasing content he will be without it for sometime.  Perhaps after playing the game for three years I dont know what im talking about either but as said, 70% is pretty close.

Jackdog

Originally posted by Philby

From what Raserei wrote he is not interested much in end game. That being the case I think  Jeremy hit pretty close to the mark. At 52 since sept. 10 another month and Ras will be out of  content. and the way Turbine has been releasing content he will be without it for sometime.  Perhaps after playing the game for three years I dont know what im talking about either but as said, 70% is pretty close.

yeah I am sure he will max out his legendaries, complete all his deeds, run all those classic instances, max out his crafting, collect all the costumes, be kindred with all the factions and collect all the rep horses, max out his MPvP all in the next week or so.... LOL you guys are a riot

gordiflu

Originally posted by Jackdog

while ingame a few min ago I counted the number of instanced classic dungeons available some are small fellowship (3) some fellowship ( 6), some 12 man, some 24 man and on a lot of them you scale as to number of people and the level rewards.

there are:

• 
  1 level 20 - 65
• 
  1 level 22 - 65
• 
  1 level 24 - 65
• 
  3 level 39
• 
  1 level 50
• 
  11 level 50 - 65
• 
  4 level 54
• 
  2 level 59
• 
  9 level 60
• 
  5 level 65

I can see where the trolls are coming from, there is a damn thing to do in this game. Only 19 instanced encounters available at 65

Yeah, now that they rescaled all the old instances, they converted the 19 encounters they have published during this 3 years into 19 encounters available at lvl 65.

You can also see it this way:

Amount of encounters released on last payed expansion: 3 raid bosses and 4 6-man bosses.

Amount released on free updates this year: zero

Rescaling the old instances may tackle the lack of end-game content temporarily, but won't tackle the actual issue: content is released painfully slowly.

Sovrath

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by Jackdog

while ingame a few min ago I counted the number of instanced classic dungeons available some are small fellowship (3) some fellowship ( 6), some 12 man, some 24 man and on a lot of them you scale as to number of people and the level rewards.

there are:

• 
  1 level 20 - 65
• 
  1 level 22 - 65
• 
  1 level 24 - 65
• 
  3 level 39
• 
  1 level 50
• 
  11 level 50 - 65
• 
  4 level 54
• 
  2 level 59
• 
  9 level 60
• 
  5 level 65

I can see where the trolls are coming from, there is a damn thing to do in this game. Only 19 instanced encounters available at 65

Yeah, now that they rescaled all the old instances, they converted the 19 encounters they have published during this 3 years into 19 encounters available at lvl 65.

You can also see it this way:

Amount of encounters released on last payed expansion: 3 raid bosses and 4 6-man bosses.

Amount released on free updates this year: zero

Rescaling the old instances may tackle the lack of end-game content temporarily, but won't tackle the actual issue: content is released painfully slowly.

I imagine that it takes some effort to change a game over to a new business model as well as changing the game to support that model.

I'm sure Warner Brothers probably approached them some time back and it took quite a bit to iron out the details for the acquistion.

More content will certainly be coming down the pike. Is it going to be "good" content? Don't know. I doubt it will be poor. But this is just a valley in the whole "peaks and valleys" of the game.

Now that they have this system in place I don't believe it will take too much longer to get more content. Will it be what the players want?

Again, don't know.

Philby

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Philby

From what Raserei wrote he is not interested much in end game. That being the case I think  Jeremy hit pretty close to the mark. At 52 since sept. 10 another month and Ras will be out of  content. and the way Turbine has been releasing content he will be without it for sometime.  Perhaps after playing the game for three years I dont know what im talking about either but as said, 70% is pretty close.

yeah I am sure he will max out his legendaries, complete all his deeds, run all those classic instances, max out his crafting, collect all the costumes, be kindred with all the factions and collect all the rep horses, max out his MPvP all in the next week or so.... LOL you guys are a riot

Your right, I forgot about the deed grinding and grinding mobs to level legacy weapons.  Are you new to this game? If so try sitting at 65 for a few  months waiting for content.  And please save the propaganda about how this F2P move is going to allow for more content. Take a look at Mirkwood and you will see what youc can expect from Turbine from now on.  And lots of cool stuff in the cash shop. 

Jackdog

Originally posted by Philby

Your right, I forgot about the deed grinding and grinding mobs to level legacy weapons.  Are you new to this game? If so try sitting at 65 for a few  months waiting for content.  And please save the propaganda about how this F2P move is going to allow for more content.

so Philby exactly what MMO has the perfect end game for you? Which one is it that adds whole new zones and levels to grind on a weekly basis? The one in your imagination maybe LOL.. No one has to take my word on anything, the game is F2P, everyone is free spend as much or as little money and time as they wish.

 

Offtopic but I am really getting a kick out of watching the naysayers going into panic mode and  attempting to talk people out of downloading a free to play game and seeing for them selves whetehr they like it or not. The trolls are fighting a losing battle.

Kyleran

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Philby

From what Raserei wrote he is not interested much in end game. That being the case I think  Jeremy hit pretty close to the mark. At 52 since sept. 10 another month and Ras will be out of  content. and the way Turbine has been releasing content he will be without it for sometime.  Perhaps after playing the game for three years I dont know what im talking about either but as said, 70% is pretty close.

yeah I am sure he will max out his legendaries, complete all his deeds, run all those classic instances, max out his crafting, collect all the costumes, be kindred with all the factions and collect all the rep horses, max out his MPvP all in the next week or so.... LOL you guys are a riot

You know Jack, you come across as the ultimate condescending LOTRO fanboi....

It isn't becoming on you.

And while everything you said above is true, if those activites aren't what people are looking for (and there are some LoTRO most definitely lacks) then you won't convince anyone.

xxSHIFTYxx

Originally posted by Philby

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Philby

From what Raserei wrote he is not interested much in end game. That being the case I think  Jeremy hit pretty close to the mark. At 52 since sept. 10 another month and Ras will be out of  content. and the way Turbine has been releasing content he will be without it for sometime.  Perhaps after playing the game for three years I dont know what im talking about either but as said, 70% is pretty close.

yeah I am sure he will max out his legendaries, complete all his deeds, run all those classic instances, max out his crafting, collect all the costumes, be kindred with all the factions and collect all the rep horses, max out his MPvP all in the next week or so.... LOL you guys are a riot

Your right, I forgot about the deed grinding and grinding mobs to level legacy weapons.  Are you new to this game? If so try sitting at 65 for a few  months waiting for content.  And please save the propaganda about how this F2P move is going to allow for more content. Take a look at Mirkwood and you will see what youc can expect from Turbine from now on.  And lots of cool stuff in the cash shop. 

i'd have to agree and disagree, this guy has a lot of stuff to do before teh content is all gone and I wouldn't compare this guy to the average gamer. The fact that he hit 52 (if you examined his character in game you'd probly laugh how gimped he was) since sept 10 tells me all he has done with his life in the last 2 weeks was play LOTRO lol. And who the hell grinds mobs to level weapons? just do repeatable quest that offer IXP.