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Funny example of Bioware saying 'SWTOR is OUR story, not YOURS'
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And it's just as bad that fat blokes are portrayed so often, as it is for females to be thin. Are you saying it's bad to 'promote' thin women but it's perfectly acceptable to promote fat guys? There are indeed extremely thin models, but then there are also perfectly healthy models who people proclaim to be setting an unhealthy portrayal simply because they are too fucking lazy to get fit themselves.
That the game has made it gender specific is a bit odd, but frankly I find it far more worrying that people are so stupid as to not spend a bit of time actually finding out what is healthy for their specific gender/age/height and instead base their 'ideals' off a freaking computer game or a Victoria's Secret ad.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
The entire idea that this should even be a topic of conversation shows more the extent of how critical people are being of TOR in comparison to just about EVERY OTHER DAMN GAME ON THE MARKET.
The question is, how many games give you the choice of any of these body types, through MEN or WOMEN, or... y'know, aliens. Even CoX with its millions of options, didn't really give a fair "portly" figure, just a larger built one. Most games don't give you the option at all. Whether BioWare decides that fat male models are acceptable and women aren't really should be a non-issue. Why not take issue with the fact that 90% of MMOs don't even cater to those models. In the same sense, couldn't we say that every other game just doesn't want to cater to "fat people".
Get over yourselves, for once, if you can. What this has to do with story... I'll never know, this entire thread is a joke.
This may be the absolute most idiotic complaint I've ever heard in regards to this game, and that's saying something.
Ok, What movie is that from? I have heard it somewhere and it is going to kill me not knowking.
In Bioware we trust!
It's doubly sexist, I don't disagree.
I'm not saying this is the most worrying thing ever, but it is sexist. Naturally there are a lot of bigger issues in the world, but we ARE on a game forum so it is a relevant thing to discuss. As for the epidemic of obesity and the poor portrayal of health weight, both of them are major problems that aren't easy to solve. I'd go into my thoughts on it further, but I think it is a bit beyond the scope of this thread.
I think it was.. billy madison? Do I get the points?
This just proves that gamers will try to pick out anything in a game to complain about. Its almost like he wants to find something wrong with it so he can try to justify not playing it.
I don't know whats worse, the original article, someone posting it under the premise of this threads title, or people getting in heated arguments over it. /facepalm
Leave the P.C. BS to the off topic forum please, thanks!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
personally I am highly offended tht I can't play as a fat,legless,armless gelatanous and female jedi based on a minor character from a planet mentioned once in a obscure Star Wars Novel that no one else remembers!!!
yep, and in the meantime that poster is watching at his night elf female whole day long.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
The overweight male model would likely be used just as much as a heavyset female model would.
So why would they not bother making one for female character, yet make one for male characters? If it's an issue of resources, they shouldn't have even bothered with the overweight male model.
It's a non-sensicle double standard.
Is it really that big of a deal? Is this something we should really be concerned about, honestly?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Fat Actress
Mike and Molly
Ugly Betty
The Parkers
Oprah Winfrey ( in between diets )
Drop Dead Diva
Huge
Living Single
Rosie O'Donnel Show
Queen Latifah Show
The Practice
And many more.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
No, its not, but you'll take notice that the people making the biggest noise are of course, the same ones that jump on TOR on these forums for everything, and constantly try to devalue the game. It has absolutely no merits in comparison to other games, or the genre as a whole. Its just another thing to gripe about to them.
Yes and yes. How men and women are portrayed in games and other media matters. It certainly matters enough to have one thread on the topic.
People like to pretend that these things don't affect anything and aren't affecting by anything. However, the mere fact that Bioware thinks such an unnecessary double standard is nothing of note and that many here agree says something about our culture. That's worth considering.
Criminal Minds - the computer wizz is a fat chick - one of the main characters
Mike and Molly - Main chick is very large - one of the main characters
Huge - all of the main characters
That's So Raven - she is very large now - main character
Desperate Housewives - one of the women has a fat daughter - main plot point
The different Tyler Perry shows - I think all of them have a couple fat women in them
Those were off the top of my head. I'm sure if I cared enough to research it I could get an even longer list. I'm sure I could get a list that was the same length as a list of shows with fat men on them actually. But I'm sure you'll come up with some other way in which this proves nothing.
The fact is that the person who wrote the article is seeing what they want to see. They clearly are choosing to not watch or engage in the shows that have larger women in them. That says more about the article writer then about SW:toR. People find prejudice where they want to find it. If they look at all the facts they often see it is not the real case. This article writer just went off on something they caught wind of without doing any other actual research. It is called skewing the facts and it is all too common in today's news/blogs/articles (I'm looking at you Fox News).
Eh, if "Ugly Betty" is an example of someone fat to you, then you don't know what you are talking about so the many other shows I don't recognize there I find suspect. Just because someone is not ridiculously thin doesn't mean they are fat.
Do note, however, that two of your entries are explicitly about fat people/women. Fat males, on the other hand, like I said, are not notable.
You have a very poor memory about some of the people here.
What are you talking about, there are a lot of actors that are extremely notable by being fat.
John Goodman is one of the greatest fat male actors, very notable.
Jack black is overweight, also a fantastic actor
Drew Carey was always known for being heavyset, also a fat actor. (though hes recently lost weight)
zach galifianakis is also a new, very popular fat actor.
If you remember John Candy and Chris Farley, both overweight actors.
I could keep going.
First off, honestly who cares, they are only including the fat male option because people complained about customization worries.
On the real life thing, people who are sensitive about their weight are moronic. You get fat because you are lazy, genetics or not. If you have a predisposition to store fat via a low metabolism that means you don't eat as much, nothing says you have to heat three hots a day if you are only hungry for one. Also if you dont' get your fat ass to a gym that is your fault not societies. To many men and women hide behind societal pressures and "unfair standards" as a reason to just not try. Nothing is more sad than a 16 girl that weighs 260+ and then cries about not being thin or things not being easy.
I will admit i am not where i want to be personally ( I have about 10-15 lbs excess fat around my stomach that is being stubborn) but i also don't lament over it like there is nothing i can't do about it.
BW saw no reason to make a fat female model, and thus did not. I'm willing to bet money that 60 percent of player characters will be female combining the real females and the alts/mains of men. and of those 60 percent i'd say 90 will use the "thin" body type. Conversely of the 40 percent of male characters 90 percent will use the muscular body type. There are biological reasons for this. A thin light woman moves quick and can therefore keep up with the heavy muscular male that hunts for food and can carry her. its our primal instincts that drive us.
No, I don't. I actually have a very good memory. Nomatter what your views may have been, doesn't change what your views are now, and the need you feel to make this molehill a mountain.
Games are a means to escape the everyday BS of our culture. Using them as an example of social malfunction is a tad overzealous IMO. Besides this should be a topic for Oprah or Dr. Phil not us gamer geeks to be discussing. This isn't the place to discuss social matters, at least in terms of North American culture. If you want to talk about political correctness, take it to the off topic forum.
Now if you want to discuss why this matters in the overall production value of TOR, I'm all ears.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Seriously? Another example of "Hollywood Overweight"?
Fat males actually ARE fat.
I'm just saying it is clearly a sexist double-standard. I don't see how that is remotely arguable.
And I don't go around bashing everything about the game. I have ONLY said I find the many WoW-like qualities of it disappointing (split pvp/pve gear, Holy Trinity combat, etc). In fact I defended the game on these forums today.
Games are part of our culture. Playing them to get away from our culture is like vacationing in New Your City to get away from people.