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World of Warcraft requiring Autheiticators for Certain Guild Ranks?
Miles-Prower
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I just read that the current Cataclysm beta build requires Autheitcators setup for your guild now. Promoting someone can only be done if they have an Authenticator. I believe this option is still "Optional".
Obviously an attempt to prevent people from having their accounts hacked and the guild bank plundered, but what about people who don't want Autheticators? How will they advance? What are your opinions on the matter?
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Honestly, I do not know of a top notch raiding guild that did not already require an autheiticator (mobile or physical) for officers. The potential for theft is just too great. This is really not a big deal.
we required it for our small guild, and it was mostly RL friends.
Athenticators cost less than 10 bucks and even cheaper if yuo have a nice cell phone. Its a HUGE security net, there is no reason not to have one in my opinion.
Exactly.
Our guild requires everyone who has access to the guild bank to have one.
When you are in a guild, being hacked put everyone, not just you, at risk.
It is only fair if a guild can require members to have an authenticator. If you really don't like to have one, don't join the guilds that require one.
Wow, requiring auths becuase we have and open user database.
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Looks like they are considering Authenticators mandatory for everyone. So you buy the game, pay for expansions, pay for monthly subscription, and now you have to pay for an authenticator? People are stupid, they deserve to be looted by Blizzard. Account security should be in the price of the friggin game!
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Just to clear things up, the "authenticator" rank is optional besides the authenticor is free on Android. You all think blizzard rakes in the cash each month... well take a look at apples app store... they still sell unpowered PC's running OSX at x5 the price... and people buy em.... erm.. off topic.
You nailed it on the head, and let me add to it. Why not let the max password for the game anyways be something ridiculously long so people could use maxed out random passwords so if anyone even tried to brute force it, it would take FOREVER. There problem solved no need for cheap plastic authenticators, jeez what a waste. Probably made in China... right? Come on if you have one don't be shy where was it made. It's just Blizzard getting down on their hands and knees begging you for anything you have, it's like end game when you have to raid over and over that is also their way of begging you to keep subscribing. WAKE UP WoW ADDICTS!! You've been duped. And if you are browsing the internet, and looking at email that is just foaming at the mouth for you to touch it to get infected with a keylogger. Here's some advice run your browser, email, whatever program in a sandbox, hell even run WoW in a sandbox if you want. Now do you really need that cheap piece of crap or waste of software on your android. Didn't know you could get it for android, but who cares you don't need it anyways.Mainly because your password can be 9000 characters long and consist of all ascii characters and a keylogger's still going to nuke your account.
Authenticators are "optional" and provide 90% protection for your account. It cost me 6 bucks a year ago. If I could get one for every game I play I would, and I have one for each of my online poker accounts.
Technology is growing quickly, and now a days any unpatched java, flash, or adobe product can give easy access to your accounts. You see this as a cash grab, I see this as an easy way to secure my account.
Folks like you are also the ones who are first to come here and make a post when they do lose access to their account due to a vulnerability, key logger, etc. Its your choice. For me, six bucks (or free if you have a nice cell phone) is worth the peace of mind of account security.
You nailed it on the head, and let me add to it. Why not let the max password for the game anyways be something ridiculously long so people could use maxed out random passwords so if anyone even tried to brute force it, it would take FOREVER. There problem solved no need for cheap plastic authenticators, jeez what a waste. Probably made in China... right? Come on if you have one don't be shy where was it made. It's just Blizzard getting down on their hands and knees begging you for anything you have, it's like end game when you have to raid over and over that is also their way of begging you to keep subscribing. WAKE UP WoW ADDICTS!! You've been duped.Mainly because your password can be 9000 characters long and consist of all ascii characters and a keylogger's still going to nuke your account.
Authenticators are "optional" and provide 90% protection for your account. It cost me 6 bucks a year ago. If I could get one for every game I play I would, and I have one for each of my online poker accounts.
Technology is growing quickly, and now a days any unpatched java, flash, or adobe product can give easy access to your accounts. You see this as a cash grab, I see this as an easy way to secure my account.
Folks like you are also the ones who are first to come here and make a post when they do lose access to their account due to a vulnerability, key logger, etc. Its your choice. For me, six bucks (or free if you have a nice cell phone) is worth the peace of mind of account security.
I added something extra to the end of it to end the case for any rebutal have a reread if you dare.Its pretty safe to say that the average wow user can barely opperate their computer by themselves, much less run their processes in virtual environments.
Fact of the matter is most of WoW's players arent nearly tech savy enough to protect themselves, back that up by the folks in china continuously coming up with new ways to breach your pc's and it just makes sense to me to buy a 6 dollar piece of plastic.
Your option, while functional, isnt a possibility for the majority of folks playing on the internet these days.
Awesome blizzard is the smartest company I know.
Think about it. They dont want to put into resources to protect your account but make you pay for a Autheiticator.
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You do of course realize the only way for them to "protect" your account would be to issue you a pc that you have no access to other than to play wow right?
The majority of folks that "get hacked" are simply giving away their passwords unknowingly. Has nothing to do with blizzards account security, its peoples PC security.
I'm not disputing the fact that the authenticator works. I just don't see why the player base is being held accountable for blizzards security issues. Why should the player base be forced to pay for a tool to secure their accounts when they already pay a premium for their game, as well as a premium for the monthly subscription. Account security should not just be the players concern, Blizzard should be attempting to fix their security holes instead of trying to use them to make more money.
Why should a player have to have a high end cellphone to have a mobile authenticator or pay an additional amount no matter how small it may be just to ensure that no one hacks their account, when the bulk of account hacks didn't start until after the forced conversion to battle.net? Since when is the company that develops the product not responsible for their own security?
Pretty much everytime its outside their network?
99% of all wow account compromises are via trojans, spyware, phishing attempts, etc. There is no way for blizzard to protect you against those.
You nailed it on the head, and let me add to it. Why not let the max password for the game anyways be something ridiculously long so people could use maxed out random passwords so if anyone even tried to brute force it, it would take FOREVER. There problem solved no need for cheap plastic authenticators, jeez what a waste. Probably made in China... right? Come on if you have one don't be shy where was it made. It's just Blizzard getting down on their hands and knees begging you for anything you have, it's like end game when you have to raid over and over that is also their way of begging you to keep subscribing. WAKE UP WoW ADDICTS!! You've been duped. And if you are browsing the internet, and looking at email that is just foaming at the mouth for you to touch it to get infected with a keylogger. Here's some advice run your browser, email, whatever program in a sandbox, hell even run WoW in a sandbox if you want. Now do you really need that cheap piece of crap or waste of software on your android. Didn't know you could get it for android, but who cares you don't need it anyways.1. Remember this is totally optional and its up to the user to determine if they want to use it and up to the guild to determine if they want to set it. We require in our guild but thats because we have over 15k gold and probably another 100k in mats and items. We would be stupid not too.
2. The authenticator costs a ONE time charge of $6.95. Got one when they first came out and haven't regretted it one moment. And that is so much money, let me tell you. And yes, the cost does matter because its cheap. its like the $4.95 a month I pay for fraud protection at my bank. $5 month is a lot for peace of mind.
3. You have too much faith in the consumer. Most consumers aren't smart enough to have a complicated password. I work at a college and the students use an informational portal. It has all of their personal, academic, financial information. Guess what probably 75% of the passwords are...things like birthdays (which are on Facebook), names of parents (which are on facebook) or in the great tradition of Spaceballs....1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
So Blizzard is taking a step because so many consumers don't think or understand how easy it is for their accounts to get hacked. Oh and yeah, 2 years, 2 accounts (mine and my wife's), 2 Authenticators....never been hacked. Pretty simple huh?
So does it say "Made in China" on it?So all these people saying its a good thing, sure. But let me ask you this, go to the list of games on this very site, and tell me how many games on there even think they need to use authenticators or that have as many hacked accounts per population percentage that they feel they HAVE to go to this extreme. I've been playing MMORPG since they were conceived, and I know of only one game that I have seen real life friends get thier accounts hacked and thats WoW. EVE accounts hacked regularly? EQ, L2, LoTRO, FE, CoX, CO, AION, GW any other ones?
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Kao thats simple, WoW is the lionshare of MMORPG marketplace, so you are going to have a larger number of accounts hacked, when in reality its a small portion of the total overall populace.
Also, as wow gold can be sold for more than any other games virtual currency the evil doo'ers are going to be more inclined to come up with phishing emails, trojans, and other creative way to get access to your accounts.
ALL games suffer from this plague, wow just has more users, and thus is more noticable.
So my question of 'as many hacked accounts per population percentage' would be a yes? Other games have as many hacked accounts per percentage? Have any in particular you can share info on about that? Or are you saying that since WoW has 'more players' that thier problem is worse? And if thats the case, why has it become the responsibility of the player to fix the problem (paying for thier own authenticator) and not the game companies responsibility? Now I could see if Blizzard included an authenticator in every copy of Cata, then they would be accepting responsibility, but they aren't are they? They know there is a major issue but they have chosen to place account security in the hands of thier players, either you pay them for protection or you take your chances. Like the guy with the baseball bat promissing to protect your shop IF you pay them...
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I would give this idea two thumbs up if they provided an authenticator free of charge in every box they ship. In the current state of affairs however, this idea is simply a cash grab from Blizzard.
They are essentially saying "Hey, account security is a problem for us that costs a lot of money, and we're not paying for it anymore. So if you want full functionality of our product, pony up more cash."
I've always found it hilarious that Blizzard charges their players for the company's own lack of ability to protect their customers' accounts, but I can understand the need for certain guild ranks to require authenticators.
Sure, it saves Blizzard money on customer support, but...what does that say about the way Blizzard views its player base? TO me this screams that they honestly believe there is no way to trust anyone who plays thier game, and they think the best solution is to treat everyone, all of thier players, as potential thieves. I guess if you play WoW and your ok with being thought of this way....
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Oh well I give up.
Common sense seems to just slide right over you folks heads.
I will try one last time. The account's are perfectly secure on blizzards end, however, on the players end computer can be compromized. Unfortunately, blizzard has no control over individuals pc's and thus they got the authenticator.
Authenticators are used for a lot of other services banks, casinos, online poker... the upcoming FFXIV will also have an authenticator.
As blizzard has secured their end, they have no need to pay for security on your end. What you folks are complaining about, is very similar to yelling at your bank after you are robbed an hour after taking money out of your ATM. The bank secured your account, secured the ATM itself, but didnt secure you as you were walking down the street.
However, you guys seem to think the bank should hire a security guard to follow you... you can obviously hire protection if you want, but its insane to think the business itself is at fault.
Now see I can agree with you on everythign you have here. Except one thing, that would be a fine way of looking at it if your bank didnt' come back and say 'we noticed there is a problem with people being robbed after they take money from our ATMs, to solve this problem we have decided that in order to use our ATMs you are now required to hire a security guard first that will follow you after you leave our ATMs, at your own expense of course'. This is what Blizzard is doing. They are requesting, no requiring, you to pay extra if you want to be an oficer in a guild in thier game. Thats the issue I have with it. Not if its a good idea or not, its game content that is and has been there for everyone in the past that will only be open to those that are willnig to spend more real life cash in the future. I agree security on the users end is not thier responsibility, but to actually restrict content in the game unless you pay more money, even if it is a good idea, is still requiring you to pay extra for in game content either way you look at it.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)