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General 'STO is disatisfactory' thread.

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  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by Torgrim

    Originally posted by Shastra


    Originally posted by raistalin69


    Originally posted by Shastra

    I can replace your true with my false and it will all end up to matter of opinion. Where as Klingon side half of the mission not working its again a very untrue statement. Klingon hardly has any PVE content but since i have a klingon alt whatever PVE /PVP content i did worked fine. (unless you tell me what content is not working on Klingon side instead of making blanket statement).

    But keep on defending the OP doesn't matter if half of his points are just matter of taste/opinion (not facts) and the rest is just a lie. Yeah sorry to say but you really don't get it.

     oh isee, the op wasn't lieing after all? there all just matters of opinion now.....ok. and actually when i played, the klingon pve was bugged, and was constantly reported on the official sto forums. thats not to say that some or all of that hasnt been fixed.

    of course, since were talking about opinions now, considering the kdf has less then half the pve missions it should have had at launch in order to be put into the game, then half of them just dont exist (bugged/dont exist... whatever)

     

    Zero credibility and what is even more sad is the follow up comments. It is as if people just follow each others thoughts instead of playing the actual game.

    actually, so he got one thing wrong, hes saying what most people are saying. does that mean that none of us who have played the game have any credibility?

    How can i argue with someone who can not even read properly? i guess i will stop feeding you now.

    Classic respons when people are out of defence ammo.

    No point defending when people refuse to read. You did exactly the same so thanks for proving my point.

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    So someone gets a few very minor facts kinda wrong and suddenly everything they say is damned lies?

  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

    Originally posted by wyodragon

    [Mod Edit]: Due to an influx of threads that are disatisfied with STO, I consolidated a General thread for users to list their complaints. Keep in mind, trolling and flaming will not be tolerated, so please stay on topic and refrain from personal attacks.

    This is amazing.

    The last uproar I remember was with SWG. And from it a separate Refuge Forum was created.

    I think STO will need its own Veteran Refuge Forum.

     

    What makes this amazing, it has just been about 2 months since launch...

    And that is why...

    Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 Member UncommonPosts: 1,431

    Atari offered 20 million to have a working game in less that two years. Cryptic bit on the offer and earned 20 million by launching STO. But by doing so, launched a game that was no where near ready for the market.

     

    Now they are trying to develope a game while gamers try to play the game. It doesn't work very well obviously in this day and age. Many of the items complained about are going to be in the Season 2 due in July. Most people do not care at this point though. A game is only as good as it's launch. I don't even think the King of MMO's would have made it today. That is not an excuse, just the way it is.

     

    It is possible to change a game enough to make it worth playing for years. Look at AoC for example. It will be a better than average MMO with the new expansion. But AoC, STO and any other game that had a bad launch will never be what they could have been if the launch had a more complete and working game.

     

    This is the day and age of corporations. People love to blame big government, liberals, concervatives, unions, facists, socialists and anyone and everyone. But what seems to be left out of the blame is the corporation. Money hungry executives with all the money backed by inversters forcing everyone else to do thier bidding. And there is nothing that can be done about it. Because money equals power and we the consumer have no money compared to corporations so we have no power.

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  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Member CommonPosts: 1,096

    Originally posted by artemisentr4 there is nothing that can be done about it. Because money equals power and we the consumer have no money compared to corporations so we have no power.

    This is completely untrue and something the executives of these big corporations are counting on you (us) believing.

    The fact is, the Consumer (us) has a tremedous amount of power. The power to Not Purchase.

    You say Corporations have power because they have money, but that money comes from us the consumer. If the consumer doesnt give the corporations money then you effectively cut off their power supply.

    Yes its a fact that we the consumer, as a singularity, have very little money and therefore little power, but as a collective we have ALL the money and literally ALL the power.

    Corporations cannot continue to thrive if we dont feed them.

    Cut off their supply and they die.

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  • KithcaKithca Member Posts: 118

    I know my problem with STO is that they didn't bring Star Trek to the MMO, they brought the MMO to Star Trek.  It doesn't feel like Star Trek at all, it feels like just another MMO.

  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 Member UncommonPosts: 1,431

    Originally posted by PyrateLV

    Originally posted by artemisentr4 there is nothing that can be done about it. Because money equals power and we the consumer have no money compared to corporations so we have no power.

    This is completely untrue and something the executives of these big corporations are counting on you (us) believing.

    The fact is, the Consumer (us) has a tremedous amount of power. The power to Not Purchase.

    You say Corporations have power because they have money, but that money comes from us the consumer. If the consumer doesnt give the corporations money then you effectively cut off their power supply.

    Yes its a fact that we the consumer, as a singularity, have very little money and therefore little power, but as a collective we have ALL the money and literally ALL the power.

    Corporations cannot continue to thrive if we dont feed them.

    Cut off their supply and they die.

     You are correct in principle. But that is not how the world works at this point and time.  It used to work that way with small buisness, but we are talking about corporations. The power is the money and how it is used to sway public opinion.

     

    The money for corporations come from investers, not consumers. The investers force the hand of the coroporation to bring a profit or lose the investers and the corporation. A percentage of consumers will always consume what is offered. That is just human nature. The corporation takes this into account when they create a product. They are betting on x % to buy thier product. As long as the x % is there, they will make money. No project will go forword without knowing almost for a fact that x % will buy.

     

    You can never convense ALL consumers to not give money to the corporation and buy a product. That is the problem. We the consumer will rarely, if ever, have a collective. That is why corporations have flurished arount the world. They can control supply and demand as long as they have enough money. That is why banks make so much money by trading paper. They control supply and demand by having enough money to own both sides of the market. Or oil companies that  control the supply that they can manipulate to create demand. Or corporations buy elections to put politicians into office that will vote how they want.

     

    I would love to see a tea bagger (party) movement against the corporations, not the politican. Because with the new Supreme court decision to allow unlimited money from corporations to be spent for politicans. Individual votes will be swayed by money, not knowlegde.

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  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 773

    Originally posted by artemisentr4

    Originally posted by PyrateLV


    Originally posted by artemisentr4 there is nothing that can be done about it. Because money equals power and we the consumer have no money compared to corporations so we have no power.

    This is completely untrue and something the executives of these big corporations are counting on you (us) believing.

    The fact is, the Consumer (us) has a tremedous amount of power. The power to Not Purchase.

    You say Corporations have power because they have money, but that money comes from us the consumer. If the consumer doesnt give the corporations money then you effectively cut off their power supply.

    Yes its a fact that we the consumer, as a singularity, have very little money and therefore little power, but as a collective we have ALL the money and literally ALL the power.

    Corporations cannot continue to thrive if we dont feed them.

    Cut off their supply and they die.

     You are correct in principle. But that is not how the world works at this point and time.  It used to work that way with small buisness, but we are talking about corporations. The power is the money and how it is used to sway public opinion.

     

    The money for corporations come from investers, not consumers. The investers force the hand of the coroporation to bring a profit or lose the investers and the corporation. A percentage of consumers will always consume what is offered. That is just human nature. The corporation takes this into account when they create a product. They are betting on x % to buy thier product. As long as the x % is there, they will make money. No project will go forword without knowing almost for a fact that x % will buy.

     

    You can never convense ALL consumers to not give money to the corporation and buy a product. That is the problem. We the consumer will rarely, if ever, have a collective. That is why corporations have flurished arount the world. They can control supply and demand as long as they have enough money. That is why banks make so much money by trading paper. They control supply and demand by having enough money to own both sides of the market. Or oil companies that  control the supply that they can manipulate to create demand. Or corporations buy elections to put politicians into office that will vote how they want.

     

    I would love to see a tea bagger (party) movement against the corporations, not the politican. Because with the new Supreme court decision to allow unlimited money from corporations to be spent for politicans. Individual votes will be swayed by money, not knowlegde.

     

    This is also the same problem with gold sellers. All I ever here is dont buy their gold and they will go away. Yeah, thats really going to happen. people are going to do it because it will make their game easier, regardless if they actually should or not. Same thing goes with video games. Just because one person thinks that game sucks, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the game sucks and they will buy it. Its perfectly fine if people want to boycott a game or a company because they don't like them or what they make. But rest assurd that its not going to stop people from still buying their game.

    My parents are what I call, very strict christans. If the christan community is boycotting a company, they will be right there with them. They used to get mad at me because I wouldn't boycott them to, but the truth is, I didn't believe in the reasons for many of their boycotts. Same thing will happen with video games and their company, some people will think its crap and never buy from them again where as others think its ok and will buy more from them. It just can not work in our society regardless of how bad you want it to work.

  • DinendaeDinendae Member Posts: 1,264

    Originally posted by artemisentr4

    Atari offered 20 million to have a working game in less that two years. Cryptic bit on the offer and earned 20 million by launching STO. But by doing so, launched a game that was no where near ready for the market.

    Not quite; Cryptic was the one who was going on about how they could reuse their Cryptic Engine 2.0, and pump MMOs out in a 18-24 month timetable. Atari bought that line, bought Cryptic, and expected Cryptic to deliver. Atari does need to take its share of the blame for mistakes made, but so does Cryptic. Additionally, a lot of people keep pointing to that $20,000,000.00 bonus as proof that Atari was the evil mastermind forcing the game to be launched before it was due. The truth is that we don't have a clue who actually came up with the idea for the bonus; Cryptic could just as easily negotiated for that bonus as Atari could have offered it as incentive. Only the people at that meeting know for sure, and don't expect them to be forthcoming anytime soon. This is especially true if STO has been as financially dismal as Atari's financial reports state CO was; if Cryptic did get the bonus (I could have sworn I saw a statement somewhere that they hit the revenue generated target number Atari and Cryptic agreed upon), then there are going to be some executives trying to cover themselves.

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  • DinendaeDinendae Member Posts: 1,264

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    So someone gets a few very minor facts kinda wrong and suddenly everything they say is damned lies?

     Just a thought, but the OP could have been getting the Mask Energy Signature skill confused with cloaking. I'm not sure if it still works the same, but the first time I saw it used was on a Federation ship in a PvP match; one moment it was a bit in front of me, and the next it was gone. I turned to engage another Federation ship, and the 'cloaked' one reappered to attack. It did look a lot like the Federation ship cloaked.

    "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  • mezlabormezlabor Member Posts: 133

    Man sto sucks.  let's start with the biggest and most obvious flaw. The entire Klingon faction is a half hearted afterthought. A pvp faction with limited to no pve. To make matters worse sto's pvp is meaingless with no objectives no open world pvp of any time no persitant objectives like star systems in the neutral zone to fight over. Just instanced qued up battlegrounds for that offer no incetive to pvp but to pvp. Cryptic has never understood pvp and they show their weakness here in bright neon lights.

    That might be excusable if the pve side of the game wasn't a relentlessly boring and repeptitive grindfest. Every mission is the same. Kill x scan x done. The anomalies reak of City of heroes radio missions. I cant believe they made a star trek game with no exploration and no diplomacy in it at all. They decided to skip crafting cause whatever memory alpha is its not crafting I mean what were these guys thikning?

    The game is far too heavily instanced and space feels too small and boxed in. Not enough end game content. The list goes on but I think most of us agree here that Cryptic dropped the ball on this one.  They had a chance to make something great. but great doesnt seem to be in Cryptics repetoire of mediocirty. I had had low expectaions of this game from the moment they announced their release date. I'm honestly surprised they managed to crawl under even my lowest expecations with all their c-store bull and terrible customer support.

  • PoopyStuffPoopyStuff Member Posts: 297

    So funny people complain about this game.

     

    You CHOSE to buy it.

    you wanted that pile of shit, now you get to deal with it.

     

    rule number 1:  Never pre order.

    rule number 2:  Never get mmo early

    rule number 3:  wait till the reviews come out for it and give it time to see feedback

     

     

    But no, stupid people just purchase crap and then then cry foul when they were the ones who didn't follow the rules.

  • mezlabormezlabor Member Posts: 133

    Originally posted by PoopyStuff

    So funny people complain about this game.

     

    You CHOSE to buy it.

    you wanted that pile of shit, now you get to deal with it.

     

    rule number 1:  Never pre order.

    rule number 2:  Never get mmo early

    rule number 3:  wait till the reviews come out for it and give it time to see feedback

     

     

    But no, stupid people just purchase crap and then then cry foul when they were the ones who didn't follow the rules.

    Actually I didn't buy opr preorder the game. I played in open beta and said I'll pass. I refused to pay them for what I saw in open beta. And from whats being said here and on their own forums I see not much has changed since then.

  • raistalin69raistalin69 Member Posts: 575

    dont wory guys, all will soon be fixed as cryptic is adding "new ship interiors"

     

    we all know thats what was really wrong with the game

    /sarcasm

    IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME

  • PoopyStuffPoopyStuff Member Posts: 297

    Originally posted by mezlabor

    Originally posted by PoopyStuff

    So funny people complain about this game.

     

    You CHOSE to buy it.

    you wanted that pile of shit, now you get to deal with it.

     

    rule number 1:  Never pre order.

    rule number 2:  Never get mmo early

    rule number 3:  wait till the reviews come out for it and give it time to see feedback

     

     

    But no, stupid people just purchase crap and then then cry foul when they were the ones who didn't follow the rules.

    Actually I didn't buy opr preorder the game. I played in open beta and said I'll pass. I refused to pay them for what I saw in open beta. And from whats being said here and on their own forums I see not much has changed since then.

    Yeah sorry, didn't mean to imply you pre-ordered.

     

    Just saying that's one of the rules to follow.

     

    I played in beta as well, and while I thought it was fun, its certainly not worth the 50 bucks they were charging for it, and the 15 a month.

    There's other games out there, even single player ones that you can get more play time out of than STO.

  • ArlettaArletta Member Posts: 63

    Originally posted by PoopyStuff

    So funny people complain about this game.

     

    You CHOSE to buy it.

    you wanted that pile of shit, now you get to deal with it.

     

    rule number 1:  Never pre order.

    rule number 2:  Never get mmo early

    rule number 3:  wait till the reviews come out for it and give it time to see feedback

     

     

    But no, stupid people just purchase crap and then then cry foul when they were the ones who didn't follow the rules.

    Nobody thought to tell me this before then?  I accept responsibilty for my own stupidity.  I'm not accepting responsibility for a shallow game though.   I didn't make the game, was just dumb enough to buy it.  Unfortunately I learned the rules a little late.  I learned them now :)

  • NirwylNirwyl Member Posts: 103

    I had so much hope for STO, it's so sad that it's been such a major failure so far. There is a glimmer of a whisper of hope on the horizon, cause I heard they're going to try for ship interiors, but I doubt even that will help. If I was running this game, I'd start replanning the overall development, and looking for more funding.

    How I wished STO would be...

    Open universe, board your ship and go anywhere. No skills or levels, only ranks. Go anywhere, do anything, all it's based on is what ship or equipment you own. Real exploration, where every day is a new frontier full of possibilities. FPS based ground combat, run and gun, fast paced shooter-style. Space combat turn based and strategic. Ability to play only ground or space depending on which you prefer, or both if you wish. Extensive world zones. Land on a planet and you can fully explore large areas of it. Every race available. Every faction available. Capture planets and solar systems in the name of your faction. Long term PvP conflict with wars that can last months between different factions.

    Ah if only.

  • DoktorTeufelDoktorTeufel Member UncommonPosts: 413

    Originally posted by Nirwyl

    Ah if only.

     

    Yes, that would be wonderful, and nothing like it will be happening in any online game this decade, nor the next, either... unless a crack indie development team funded by an eccentric billionaire makes a miracle happen.

     

    So much wasted potential. Humankind can put a man on the moon, a human being created Star Trek, and human scientists invented computers, but no one can create the ultimate multiplayer Star Trek game, even though all the tools and technology and backstory absolutely do exist to make it possible.

     

    Well, guess it's back to twenty-sided dice, rule books, miniatures, and hex maps... you know, the good ol' nerdy tabletop games where you can actually experience gameplay that doesn't involve killing five hundred thousand boars (or Klingons) and saying "lol" to a bunch of douchebags with look-alike avatars.

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  • echo117499echo117499 Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by artemisentr4

    Atari offered 20 million to have a working game in less that two years. Cryptic bit on the offer and earned 20 million by launching STO. But by doing so, launched a game that was no where near ready for the market.

     

    Actually it was Cryptic that went to ateri with the "we can bang out mmos in 2 years".

  • CujoSWAoACujoSWAoA Member UncommonPosts: 1,781

    I'm not a Star Trek trekkie. I watched the next generation cause it was quality tv though.

    That said, I tried the demo of STO last week.

    I had a good time in the demo. I may buy the game someday.

  • smitty0356smitty0356 Member Posts: 368

    did anyone mention that it is like a lame version of Champions online, with terrible avatar cobat?

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  • NeVeRLiFtNeVeRLiFt Member UncommonPosts: 380

    Originally posted by smitty0356

    did anyone mention that it is like a lame version of Champions online, with terrible avatar cobat?

     

    what about the lack of content and lame cash shop?

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  • Logos1326Logos1326 Member UncommonPosts: 240

    I was disappointed. Surprised really that CBS allowed Cryptic/Atari to produce this given their track record when there are other game companies that would have done a far better job. Have to wonder what kind of damage this has done not just to the game but to the Star Trek image. Kinda confirms for me that since Rodenberry died it's become all about the $$$$.

    Haven't given up on the game but won't touch it for at least another year.. which is about the least amount of time for further development time this needs. With the economy as shaky as people shouldn't pay to be beta testers.

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  • barthburgerbarthburger Member UncommonPosts: 65

    I played with a free key and after a time decided it was too reptitive.

    I have been checking the forums and just reading up on if the game was improving or not and came across the link for the C-store. I have to say some of the items at first were pretty cool new ships ect, but then I came across emotes?!

    You have to pay just to allow your character to have all the possible character emotes?!

    Maybe I am missing something and you can get these for free somehow. But honestly if not all I can say is wow...

    Fun,Community,Graphics,immersion. Is that so hard?

  • hidden1hidden1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,244

    Originally posted by Logos1326

    I was disappointed. Surprised really that CBS allowed Cryptic/Atari to produce this given their track record when there are other game companies that would have done a far better job. Have to wonder what kind of damage this has done not just to the game but to the Star Trek image. Kinda confirms for me that since Rodenberry died it's become all about the $$$$.

    Haven't given up on the game but won't touch it for at least another year.. which is about the least amount of time for further development time this needs. With the economy as shaky as people shouldn't pay to be beta testers.

     Yes Rodenberry would turn over in his grave if he saw what Cryptic has done to his creation.  What's next from Cryptic?  Earth Final Conflit?  Andromeda?  Might as well r*pe his corpse good and start the feeding frenzy!

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