Usually, when I play a "offline" single player game is when I dont have access to internet. so in the future, if I want to play a ubisoft game, ill just download an illegal version of it, with all that anti-piracy crap removed. because lets face it, this isnt gonna stop piracy. not in the slightest.
Unbelievable! These "oh well" stances are unacceptable or inexcuseable. The staterment above is almost advocating piracy. If more people took a hard stance and reported people who are pirating we would have statements like the above.
(BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH continues firing plungers at software pirates!)
Well when a company is excluding potential buyers, what choice does that person have?
I play single player games on my laptop all the time when im on the road, which im sure alot of people do, even while flying. What would those people do without internet?
i just dont see this working out in the long run. Someone has to try it, so if ubi soft wants to , they can, but when it turns people off to buying your games, they will change there minds about it.
It doesn't really bother me, because there are still plenty of great games out there that don't go so far to protect their games, and I can still play them without an internet connection if I want to. I have to say though that when I see a single player game that forces me to be on the internet, it is a HUGE turn off. Even though I have broadband and am connected all the time, that might not be the case a few years from now. And I wouldn't not be able to play these games in that situation. I'm all for publishers wanting to protect their investments, but convenience is a very big factor to consider for everything in my life.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I can go and find dozens of illegal copies of mass effect and ME2 on the internet in less than 2 minutes. Is Bioware struggling? I cant be sure, but if I had to guess I'd say no. You know which companies are actually *hurt* badly by pirates? The ones who make shitty games to begin with. If a company is going to work in this industry, apart from fully online games, there is one thing they have to assume straight off the bat: your game is going to get pirated. Moving past that and making a profit is the trick. Many companies do it. Trying to stop piracy is all well and good. Same reason we try to stop crime and murder in the real world. But trying to do it by implementing retarded Orwellian measures does no one any good. Except to the pirates. They are probably bored stiff now, they actually welcome a good challenge.
Software piracy is a "crime in the real world". Your not stealing from some pixel dwarf in a virtual world your stealing from a company with real employees with real families to support.
I can go and find dozens of illegal copies of mass effect and ME2 on the internet in less than 2 minutes. Is Bioware struggling? I cant be sure, but if I had to guess I'd say no. You know which companies are actually *hurt* badly by pirates? The ones who make shitty games to begin with. If a company is going to work in this industry, apart from fully online games, there is one thing they have to assume straight off the bat: your game is going to get pirated. Moving past that and making a profit is the trick. Many companies do it. Trying to stop piracy is all well and good. Same reason we try to stop crime and murder in the real world. But trying to do it by implementing retarded Orwellian measures does no one any good. Except to the pirates. They are probably bored stiff now, they actually welcome a good challenge.
Software piracy is a "crime in the real world". Your not stealing from some pixel dwarf in a virtual world your stealing from a company with real employees with real families to support.
You know perfectly well what I meant.
Suggestion to prevent crime and home invasions: Government puts cameras on your street, workplace and inside your home. You dont like it, move somewhere else. Welcome to 1984.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
I got a question/statement... If you buy a game from Steam, is there any need for anti-piracy within the game? Steam works by checking if you have Steam in the first place, then checks the last time you logged in as what account. Then it checks if that account has access to that game. I really can not think of a way to pirate a game that is only sold off Steam unless someone buys it then lets a person download it off the account they do not own, then tamper with the code to get it to run without Steam. It seems to me the Steam platform for selling games should be the standard of the industry right now. Either way, as piracy continues, the crazy ideas companies come up with to protect their games will push the envolope until it breaks like it did in Spore.
That actually makes alot of sense. Unfortunately, there are many people like me, who do not prefer digital downloads over a hard copy. Call it trust issues or whatever you want, but I don't own any games that I do not have discs for. And I probably never will.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The whole thing about "companies don't get it, people won't buy it from them anyway" is pretty........... idk what word to use here. You want to justify your own stealing with saying things like that, when it's simply not true.
What do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people who say:
"I really want that game. But, why am I going to go buy it when I can get it for free?"
Which is much more likely, than those who "won't buy it anyway". So really, it's you that doesn't get it. Not them.They get it trust me they get it, they are losing money. When I lose money, I sure as hell try to find out why and where it went, don't you?
I agree with anti-piracy, but they need to develop things that are harder to crack and not things that will just piss off legitimate users. Read up on what happened to the game Demigod, they tried to make things easier on the user and ended up almost (or did they? can't remember) filing bankruptcy because of the pirated copies of the game were flooding their servers. They had something like 2,000,000 people playing a month and only sold 100,000 copies of the game.
The whole thing about "companies don't get it, people won't buy it from them anyway" is pretty........... idk what word to use here. You want to justify your own stealing with saying things like that, when it's simply not true. What do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people who say: "I really want that game. But, why am I going to go buy it when I can get it for free?" Which is much more likely, than those who "won't buy it anyway". So really, it's you that doesn't get it. Not them.
I agree with anti-piracy, but they need to develop things that are harder to crack and not things that will just piss off legitimate users.
I dont really try to rationalize it like this. I havent pirated games since my teens. Steam helped with this. Buying and installing original games is alot easier now than it used to be. Steam goods are also alot cheaper than in the stores (at least in Portugal). I do prefer to have an original than a illegal copy. What I hate is when companies try moronic things like this.
Seriously, does anyone really expect this measure to prevent piracy? Honestly?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Usually, when I play a "offline" single player game is when I dont have access to internet. so in the future, if I want to play a ubisoft game, ill just download an illegal version of it, with all that anti-piracy crap removed. because lets face it, this isnt gonna stop piracy. not in the slightest.
Unbelievable! These "oh well" stances are unacceptable or inexcuseable. The staterment above is almost advocating piracy. If more people took a hard stance and reported people who are pirating we would have statements like the above.
(BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH continues firing plungers at software pirates!)
Well when a company is excluding potential buyers, what choice does that person have?
I play single player games on my laptop all the time when im on the road, which im sure alot of people do, even while flying. What would those people do without internet?
Simply dont buy form the company. I have a laptop and i play on the road also. Read my 1st post as I sympathize also with people without connections as i dont particulary care for that type of protection either. Im no expert on this materr but iI do hate stealing. What Im simply stating is that if more people went after the pirates we wouldnt have to worry about silly copy protections. Way too many people posting are "oh well cant do anything about it"...to me that is the same thing as advocating pirating /stealing.
(BBBBWWWAAAAAAHHHH plunges mouth of software pirate with soild plunger)
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Seriously, does anyone really expect this measure to prevent piracy? Honestly?
Absolutely not, I'm just talking about the people who try to rationalize it.
I'm no game hacker, but I can think of about 5 different ways to potentially circumvent that "anti-piracy" method right off the top of my head. lol. This isn't even going to slow them down.
First off I mostly play MMOs anyway but when I do play a standalone game I don't want to be connected to internet especially when I fall back on single user games when my internet connection is down so if they do implement these copy protection technology it would be a reason for me not to buy them and even search the web for a cracked version of it where the protection has been removed or they have added a work around for it.
seems like a good reason to get that console i've been thinking about then. Am finding myself playing fps and single player games more and more these past months - at least on consoles there is less cheating and no insane (and mostly useless) anti-paricy campaigns that piss off consumers ^^
its not a bad deal it just means once the control check is done no more hotspot shield and other tech doing all kind of loop
as for thinking about the disconnect thing,ubisoft is also in montreal (in the part of the world i live,assassin creed is made there)
and isconnet is so low that it is the best idea i ever saw implented
unless they added a thing invasive (i really doubt that!basicly if their server doesnt receive what they need from your game without hickup ,byby hacker!i could be wrong here but i think this is one techno that will spread.
every single time I see someone try to do that I will never buy the damn product, anyone remember the online check and the max of 3 installs? well its not exist anymore because it only created problems who go after the original copy of the game not the pirated one, and like mentioned before, the games I have pirated are games I would never bough, why? it was just a hassle to even download the thing and when I played it after one or 3 days I just or finish it (for the sake to never let anything unfinish) or just delete the damn thing and never go back, I also do that with games with such kind of protection do nothing only harassing the honest and paying customer.
this new way to prevent piracy will not work, experienced crackers can pretty much break this kind of codes in a day or 2 and trusth me they don't work on basements alone in a dark corner, they normally trade info and what one find out they inform others so they can learn how to break it. its is a fail solution anyone defending it or are naive or really don't know anything about programming (if they do please leave, you are not doing a good job).
I will say here what a previous dude said, they are not losing market, they are not losing profit, people who buy non-official games will not buy then in any case they will just take another one it don't make then buy, its the same with mp3 music, a lot of people download the mp3, but still buy the CD for the extras or just to have the cd burned so they can put on his computer to make mp3 with a better quality or in case they want to heard it in home (and now people sell mp3 in digital format for 1 dolar).
anyone who defend this new technology really, REALLY review his concepts.
oh yeah about the question of that news, NO, I don't pay for useless thing like this, after sometime I will need to crack it to play something I pay for.
2nd edit after I read the post when I was writing.
I just hope that was sacarm, I really do, if you think this will stop crackers in anyway just give it time and you will see ways to break it
If it takes that to stop or seriously hurt piracy i'm all for it. Seriously, if you can afford a computer or a game console, a basic internet connection cost is what compared to that ? It's not like we're in the early 90's anymore when internet connection was charged by the minutes. A basic internet connection today cost what nowaday ? 15$ a month ? And most peoples have high speed, so i dont see why this is a problem.
Problem is that there are people who live in rural areas that cant get high speed internet and the only options are available are dial-up, satellite, and low end wireless where signals cut out none of those options are viable for online gaming unless you like high ping and constant disconnecting , if it wasnt for the telecom companies being arrogant enuf to decide people that live in rural areas are not deemed important enuf to the infrastructure to service these people how are these people going to play Ubisoft's games or other companies that follow suit? Is that right or fair to them? I think not, if these companies made quality games they wouldn't have this problem.
the speed as nothing to do with it ,they dont send image they send 0 and 100 byte /sec would do it lol
so your 54000 byte /sec will be plenty for their purpose!
its not a bad deal it just means once the control check is done no more hotspot shield and other tech doing all kind of loop as for thinking about the disconnect thing,ubisoft is also in montreal (in the part of the world i live,assassin creed is made there) and isconnet is so low that it is the best idea i ever saw implented unless they added a thing invasive (i really doubt that!basicly if their server doesnt receive what they need from your game without hickup ,byby hacker!i could be wrong here but i think this is one techno that will spread. unless i missunderstood how they will use this?
Your connection must be up all times. Want to play offline? Can't.
Internet down? Can't play.
Playing and you lose connection? Lose your place in the game, back to the last save. Its just silly.
The reason why its stupid is that they are punishing people who pay for the game and encouraging piracy, because when it is pirated, the pirates will have a better ver of the game than the people who paid.
I will not buy any game with this sort of protection.
I am an honest person. I have paid for most of the games I've owned in my lifetime, the only exceptions being when I was young and had no money.
I resent being treated like a criminal. Microsoft does it with Windows, too. They make me feel like a criminal every time i have to call their stupid 800 number to reactivate Windows after reformatting my PC.
F this.
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Originally posted by firefly2003 Originally posted by Aguitha If it takes that to stop or seriously hurt piracy i'm all for it. Seriously, if you can afford a computer or a game console, a basic internet connection cost is what compared to that ? It's not like we're in the early 90's anymore when internet connection was charged by the minutes. A basic internet connection today cost what nowaday ? 15$ a month ? And most peoples have high speed, so i dont see why this is a problem.
Problem is that there are people who live in rural areas that cant get high speed internet and the only options are available are dial-up, satellite, and low end wireless where signals cut out none of those options are viable for online gaming unless you like high ping and constant disconnecting , if it wasnt for the telecom companies being arrogant enuf to decide people that live in rural areas are not deemed important enuf to the infrastructure to service these people how are these people going to play Ubisoft's games or other companies that follow suit? Is that right or fair to them? I think not, if these companies made quality games they wouldn't have this problem.
Looks like Ubisoft is making a bad choice on this. Like others said I play off line games to not be on the Internet lol. I wish companies would just give up on the copyright protection. They should know by now its a never-ending battle and that whatever they try people will find a way around it. Oh well its not like I planned on playing Asscreed 2 anyways, I haven't even played the first one.
I read about this on Digg. It really is a pain in the butt that companies are doing this. Ubisoft is well known for it's ridiculous copywrite protections. I won't get on a high-horse and say I've never pirated in my life, because that would be a lie. I'm a proud owner of a CycloDS Evolution and Ubisoft has started "beta" testing new copywrite methods on their DS games that are almost unbeatable by people at the scene.
The problem with DRM is it doesn't stop people from pirating, it only encourages them to pirate it. Legitimate owners are now forced into limited installs and internet connections to play their games, which just aggravates and confuses owners.
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Unbelievable! These "oh well" stances are unacceptable or inexcuseable. The staterment above is almost advocating piracy. If more people took a hard stance and reported people who are pirating we would have statements like the above.
(BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH continues firing plungers at software pirates!)
Well when a company is excluding potential buyers, what choice does that person have?
I play single player games on my laptop all the time when im on the road, which im sure alot of people do, even while flying. What would those people do without internet?
i just dont see this working out in the long run. Someone has to try it, so if ubi soft wants to , they can, but when it turns people off to buying your games, they will change there minds about it.
It doesn't really bother me, because there are still plenty of great games out there that don't go so far to protect their games, and I can still play them without an internet connection if I want to. I have to say though that when I see a single player game that forces me to be on the internet, it is a HUGE turn off. Even though I have broadband and am connected all the time, that might not be the case a few years from now. And I wouldn't not be able to play these games in that situation. I'm all for publishers wanting to protect their investments, but convenience is a very big factor to consider for everything in my life.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Pirates will crack it anyway but a good try on their part
Software piracy is a "crime in the real world". Your not stealing from some pixel dwarf in a virtual world your stealing from a company with real employees with real families to support.
Software piracy is a "crime in the real world". Your not stealing from some pixel dwarf in a virtual world your stealing from a company with real employees with real families to support.
You know perfectly well what I meant.
Suggestion to prevent crime and home invasions: Government puts cameras on your street, workplace and inside your home. You dont like it, move somewhere else. Welcome to 1984.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
That actually makes alot of sense. Unfortunately, there are many people like me, who do not prefer digital downloads over a hard copy. Call it trust issues or whatever you want, but I don't own any games that I do not have discs for. And I probably never will.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The whole thing about "companies don't get it, people won't buy it from them anyway" is pretty........... idk what word to use here. You want to justify your own stealing with saying things like that, when it's simply not true.
What do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people who say:
"I really want that game. But, why am I going to go buy it when I can get it for free?"
Which is much more likely, than those who "won't buy it anyway". So really, it's you that doesn't get it. Not them.They get it trust me they get it, they are losing money. When I lose money, I sure as hell try to find out why and where it went, don't you?
I agree with anti-piracy, but they need to develop things that are harder to crack and not things that will just piss off legitimate users. Read up on what happened to the game Demigod, they tried to make things easier on the user and ended up almost (or did they? can't remember) filing bankruptcy because of the pirated copies of the game were flooding their servers. They had something like 2,000,000 people playing a month and only sold 100,000 copies of the game.
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I dont really try to rationalize it like this. I havent pirated games since my teens. Steam helped with this. Buying and installing original games is alot easier now than it used to be. Steam goods are also alot cheaper than in the stores (at least in Portugal). I do prefer to have an original than a illegal copy. What I hate is when companies try moronic things like this.
Seriously, does anyone really expect this measure to prevent piracy? Honestly?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Unbelievable! These "oh well" stances are unacceptable or inexcuseable. The staterment above is almost advocating piracy. If more people took a hard stance and reported people who are pirating we would have statements like the above.
(BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH continues firing plungers at software pirates!)
Well when a company is excluding potential buyers, what choice does that person have?
I play single player games on my laptop all the time when im on the road, which im sure alot of people do, even while flying. What would those people do without internet?
Simply dont buy form the company. I have a laptop and i play on the road also. Read my 1st post as I sympathize also with people without connections as i dont particulary care for that type of protection either. Im no expert on this materr but iI do hate stealing. What Im simply stating is that if more people went after the pirates we wouldnt have to worry about silly copy protections. Way too many people posting are "oh well cant do anything about it"...to me that is the same thing as advocating pirating /stealing.
(BBBBWWWAAAAAAHHHH plunges mouth of software pirate with soild plunger)
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Seriously, does anyone really expect this measure to prevent piracy? Honestly?
Absolutely not, I'm just talking about the people who try to rationalize it.
I'm no game hacker, but I can think of about 5 different ways to potentially circumvent that "anti-piracy" method right off the top of my head. lol. This isn't even going to slow them down.
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Dont buy the games, simple..they will stop with the protection system in a blink of an eye...
First off I mostly play MMOs anyway but when I do play a standalone game I don't want to be connected to internet especially when I fall back on single user games when my internet connection is down so if they do implement these copy protection technology it would be a reason for me not to buy them and even search the web for a cracked version of it where the protection has been removed or they have added a work around for it.
Ironic how in their tries to prevent piracy, companies make their actual product inferior to the pirated one (not only price wise anymore)
seems like a good reason to get that console i've been thinking about then. Am finding myself playing fps and single player games more and more these past months - at least on consoles there is less cheating and no insane (and mostly useless) anti-paricy campaigns that piss off consumers ^^
Xbox or PS3, that's the question mmmh
its not a bad deal it just means once the control check is done no more hotspot shield and other tech doing all kind of loop
as for thinking about the disconnect thing,ubisoft is also in montreal (in the part of the world i live,assassin creed is made there)
and isconnet is so low that it is the best idea i ever saw implented
unless they added a thing invasive (i really doubt that!basicly if their server doesnt receive what they need from your game without hickup ,byby hacker!i could be wrong here but i think this is one techno that will spread.
unless i missunderstood how they will use this?
lol some guys missread some info thats for sure or didnt bother to read
this techno is great! let me explain
you have 20 thousand computer(yes i know that would be a gaming freak!)
but lets say you have 20000 computer around the world
ubisoft doesnt care about that you can have 1 billion copy of the game if you want to
but here is the kicker when you access theri server only one licence can access their server no access no game!
this is so freaking brillant no more stress.do i have to call ubisoft etc because i changed computer etc
they couldnt care less they just make sure only one copy is being used at all time!
men i will defenitly support ubisoft in this move!
every single time I see someone try to do that I will never buy the damn product, anyone remember the online check and the max of 3 installs? well its not exist anymore because it only created problems who go after the original copy of the game not the pirated one, and like mentioned before, the games I have pirated are games I would never bough, why? it was just a hassle to even download the thing and when I played it after one or 3 days I just or finish it (for the sake to never let anything unfinish) or just delete the damn thing and never go back, I also do that with games with such kind of protection do nothing only harassing the honest and paying customer.
this new way to prevent piracy will not work, experienced crackers can pretty much break this kind of codes in a day or 2 and trusth me they don't work on basements alone in a dark corner, they normally trade info and what one find out they inform others so they can learn how to break it. its is a fail solution anyone defending it or are naive or really don't know anything about programming (if they do please leave, you are not doing a good job).
I will say here what a previous dude said, they are not losing market, they are not losing profit, people who buy non-official games will not buy then in any case they will just take another one it don't make then buy, its the same with mp3 music, a lot of people download the mp3, but still buy the CD for the extras or just to have the cd burned so they can put on his computer to make mp3 with a better quality or in case they want to heard it in home (and now people sell mp3 in digital format for 1 dolar).
anyone who defend this new technology really, REALLY review his concepts.
oh yeah about the question of that news, NO, I don't pay for useless thing like this, after sometime I will need to crack it to play something I pay for.
2nd edit after I read the post when I was writing.
I just hope that was sacarm, I really do, if you think this will stop crackers in anyway just give it time and you will see ways to break it
Problem is that there are people who live in rural areas that cant get high speed internet and the only options are available are dial-up, satellite, and low end wireless where signals cut out none of those options are viable for online gaming unless you like high ping and constant disconnecting , if it wasnt for the telecom companies being arrogant enuf to decide people that live in rural areas are not deemed important enuf to the infrastructure to service these people how are these people going to play Ubisoft's games or other companies that follow suit? Is that right or fair to them? I think not, if these companies made quality games they wouldn't have this problem.
the speed as nothing to do with it ,they dont send image they send 0 and 100 byte /sec would do it lol
so your 54000 byte /sec will be plenty for their purpose!
the speed as nothing to do with it ,they dont send image they send 0 and 100 byte /sec would do it lol
so your 54000 byte /sec will be plenty for their purpose!
What happens if your connection speed is 0?
They are single player games.
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Your connection must be up all times. Want to play offline? Can't.
Internet down? Can't play.
Playing and you lose connection? Lose your place in the game, back to the last save. Its just silly.
The reason why its stupid is that they are punishing people who pay for the game and encouraging piracy, because when it is pirated, the pirates will have a better ver of the game than the people who paid.
I will not buy any game with this sort of protection.
I am an honest person. I have paid for most of the games I've owned in my lifetime, the only exceptions being when I was young and had no money.
I resent being treated like a criminal. Microsoft does it with Windows, too. They make me feel like a criminal every time i have to call their stupid 800 number to reactivate Windows after reformatting my PC.
F this.
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Agree!
Looks like Ubisoft is making a bad choice on this. Like others said I play off line games to not be on the Internet lol. I wish companies would just give up on the copyright protection. They should know by now its a never-ending battle and that whatever they try people will find a way around it. Oh well its not like I planned on playing Asscreed 2 anyways, I haven't even played the first one.
I read about this on Digg. It really is a pain in the butt that companies are doing this. Ubisoft is well known for it's ridiculous copywrite protections. I won't get on a high-horse and say I've never pirated in my life, because that would be a lie. I'm a proud owner of a CycloDS Evolution and Ubisoft has started "beta" testing new copywrite methods on their DS games that are almost unbeatable by people at the scene.
The problem with DRM is it doesn't stop people from pirating, it only encourages them to pirate it. Legitimate owners are now forced into limited installs and internet connections to play their games, which just aggravates and confuses owners.