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Originally posted by drbaltazar poster 179 when you get hired by those guys they make you sign wall of paper basicly sayingefverything here is owned by x company ,everything you make while on our assignement while being paid by ncsoftis the sole property of ncsoft ,you cannot use,copy ,bring with or the whole nine year partial code or full code of said thingsif you refuse to sign those parper saying they own you till you leave or the trow you out(in this case the later)they ll just refuse to hire you TO MAKE THEIR OWN PROJECT!not your project,you give idea to ncsoft because ncsoft is PAYINGYOU TO THINK ABOUT THE GAME ITS YOUR JOB!YOU DONT OWN ANYTHING YOU COULD HAVE CODED THE WHOLE GAME BYYOURSELF IN YOUR BASEMENTBUT IF YOU ARE BEING PAID AND HAVE SIGNED A CONTRACT AND SAID YES TO ALL CONDITIONYOU ARE THEIRS TO THE SAME EXTENT L1,L2,L3,GUILDWARS,AION,ETCETCETCthey own you !every game maker work in the same fashion,same thing fro intel,amd,ibmetcyou want to make stuff ?no problem open your own outfit make game designer sign your own charte sue those employe your self !the system is fair the one supplying the money and the paycheck should be the one reapping the rewardsome feel slighted because they thot they just had found an investor in their idea!ya right ask the million of people about thatit takes reputation to go somwewhere,check richard garriott hes in another boat no issueask a noob nobody frsh from college to do the same on most occasion he wont if hes not in a techno city like montreal,los angeles shangai,etc!its the way it is .you want to make your own game good we need new game !but do it with YOUR OWN FREAKING FOUND INVESTOR MONEYyou dont sign sheet binding you to a game maker if you plan to do your own thing once you found code you need in ncsoft libraryit is plagia at the minimum.for me i call it stealling!and in some country the cut the hands of thief!
You're wrong actually, with your bloated statements there.
If you've worked on a roject before, then leave to another company and you've got all those great ideas in your head and write the whole code new (i.e., you don't copy it), then it's 100% legal to do so.
The only thing you're not allowed is to copy & paste code.
Originally posted by jrs77
Hate to tell you, but you are once again wrong.
When a scientist makes a cure for something, the company he works for gets the money and the prestige. He gets "Good job!". If he goes to another company and creates the same cure "from memory", without looking at his notes from the previous company, he still gets sued.
If an architect makes a breakthrough design while working for a company, the company gets the profits and he gets "Good job!". If he goes to another company and builds the same design from memory, he gets sued.
And the same applies with game developers.
Don't know what Socialist ideas you have, but they don't work in 99% of reality.
Fortunately in Europe there's not anything like the US, where you can get a patent for every brainfart.
And in Europe, you cannot patent ideas in general, so if someone writes a clone of an existing game, but does this without copy&paste, then it's 100% legal to do so.
So to clarify the issue we're talking about again:
7 Developers, who are now working for Bluehole Studios were sued by NCSoft, as they have offered the existing code of Lineage III to a japanese company.
Bluehole Studios is not the one, who got sued by NCSoft, as they've not used a single line of existing Lineage III-code, but instead started to write the whole thing from scratch again.
Well it's good to know the lawsuit doesn't seem to make the game progress slow down, since CBT3 is gonna start.
That's right! It wasn't me who was wrong. It was the world!
Was it written in C++? What code is it written in? Was it development tools they stole? Did they steal lines of code? Did they copy the entire source code? So every time I code in C++ am I to be held liable? I would love to know the actual facts on the case it sounds so cool.
Originally posted by ProfRed NICE! I thought... how could a country let someone blatantly steal a games source code and make a new game for profit with it. Maybe NCSoft will buy up Tera and release it... The thieves deserves everything coming to them.
Blizzard and NCsoft have come together and made a studio called en masse of which the 1st project is bringing Tera to western audiences
Ah so the 4 developers disclosed information about the LIII technology while employed at NCSoft to a popular Japanese game company. Ya that is a big no no in South Korea. There are a lot of disclosed things you can do with the UT III engine. I bet they did a rewrite. No wonder LIII was canceled after claims of it being hacked. So 2 devs go to jail and the other 2 owe billions of won. and they can't work in the gaming industry for 2 years. I hope their families are ok.
Originally posted by rhinok From mmocrunch.com: Bluehole Studios, the newly formed developers of TERA are to compensate NCSoft for the sum of 2 billion Wons(approximately 1,721,836.820 USD) for plagiarizing Lineage 3’s source code. This decision was made by the Seoul Central District Court after they found the former development director of Lineage 3 guilty. According to Bluehole, they are not satisfied with the judgement, and will lodge an appeal immediately.It is still unknown whether this will affect the development of TERA, or the existence of Bluehole, and NCSoft have yet to make an official statement on the case.The reason behind the case is the fact that Mr. Kang and Mr. Yo, former developers for Lineage 3, used some of the technologies copyrighted by NCSoft after the project’s cancellation, in their latest game – TERA. Also from mmosite.com: In terms of Lineage 3's code disclosure lawsuit, the South Korean court has recently ruled that the 4 core developers of Lineage 3 (including the former development director) and their current employer Bluehole Studio should compensate NCsoft by 2 billion Wons. This is the civil ruling, following the criminal one in which the core developers of Bluehole Studio were found guilty (on Jun. 26, 2009, the Seoul Central District Court sentenced the former development director of Lineage 3 - Mr. Park to a fixed-term imprisonment of one and a half years with a 2-year suspension of execution for malfeasance and disclosure of business secrets). According to Bluehole Studio, they're not satisfied with the judgement, and will lodge an appeal immediately. On Jan. 28, the civil department of the Seoul Central District Court rendered a verdict and required the 4 involved defendants including Mr. Park to compensate NCsoft by 2 billion Wons. Meanwhile, the defendants were also ordered not to disclose NCsoft's business secrets to any others, but clear up all related data in hand. Though at present, NCsoft wins the lawsuit no matter in the criminal judgement or in the civil one, it's still unknown if the MMORPG TERA under development by Bluehole Studio will be fatally affected. Relevant EventMr. Park, formerly in charge of Lineage 3's development, got in touch with a Japanese company in 2006 with the aim of attracting investment, and disclosed certain plans related to Lineage 3. Mr. Bae, who was responsible for other projects at that time, was also involved in this matter. Moreover, the former developers of Lineage 3 including Mr. Kang and Mr. Yoswitched over to Bluehole Studio after the cancelation of Lineage 3, and applied certain technologies originally adopted in the development of Lineage 3 in Bluehole Studio's new project - Project S1 (currently named TERA). ~Ripper
There's a Lineage 3?
Link me to this please
They will survive for sure, this isn't really much, even so, by the time they actually "need" to pay them, i.e. after the appeal etc., the game will already be released.
Those devs that were involved are gone and from what I understand the game had to have a rewrite. I am willing to give this game a try since those devs were fired.
Originally posted by Lateris Those devs that were involved are gone and from what I understand the game had to have a rewrite. I am willing to give this game a try since those devs were fired.
This game never had any rewrite,the only thing that was an offense was TALK,you are not allowed to talk of trade secrets,this game was already in Beta before the judges ruled and the game has not stopped for a day since,so it is obvious there was nothing copied.The guys that were charged talked of trade secrets to get the funding,that is what happened.
The ONLY thing i have seen that is anything remote to unique is heir so called soft skin technology and if this was copyright by NCSOFT it would not be in the game,so nothing but a bunch of rumors.
Personally i think it shows NCSOFT is a very incompetent developer,if they were so worried about L3,they would have delivered L3,instead they were too worried about a flying game and hiring lawyers to make sure Lord British and his brother did not get their money owed through contracts.
If NCSOFT had of delivered L3 it would have probably had 2 races and been another PVP RvR game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Stealing is bad, and NcSoft had every right to sue the higher up's of Bluehole. Though in this case i could care less about NcSoft, whatever may of been made with the code. NcSoft would of ultimately fucked it up down the road. Bluehole is doing us a favor, of not being subjected to anymore of NcSoft's bullshit.
So heres to you Bluehole, cheer's to sticking it to the man!!!!
No offense anyone. I really don't care. I am going to try Tera because it looks so darn good. The devs who did the wrong are gone. This all happened behind closed doors. I am more interested in the game play then the legal poo poo in South Korea. The game has had a full rewrite. Can we move on?
Originally posted by alucard3000 Blizzard and NCsoft have come together and made a studio called en masse of which the 1st project is bringing Tera to western audienceshttp://www.massively.com/2010/02/24/blizzard-ncsoft-talent-form-developer-en-masse-entertainment/
Thanks for that link. Though it's actually only people who *used* to work for Blizzard and NCSoft, not the two companies making En Masse.
Still they've got folks from an impressive array of companies. It makes me think this game may be more than just hype and pretty graphics.