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Originally posted by Gameloading This is also to the person who considers PC peripherals reveinventing, that's not reinventing. Because these peripherals are only used by few, no games will be made that are designed with that in mind. The way you experience console games have changed significantly. PC games have always been around mouse and keyboards because PC gamers are not open for evolution of the platform.
The fact that many people do not make use of the peripherals does not mean it is not re-inventing the PC experience. Not everyone will buy a Wii Fit, not everyone will get Wii Motion Plus. Not everyone will get that camera thing for X-Box 360. The point is that you CAN. And, for you information, SEVERAL games have been made specifically around these PC devices.
PC games are only around the mouse and keyboard if that is how you decide to use it. I, myself, use several PC peripherals that are not even something you might consider "normal" for certain games. Like flight peddals for MMOs. Great stuff for additional fast actions if your hands are already tied up. The Novint Falcon? You have to experience it in a shooter to TRUELY understand how cool it is. It completely changes Crysis. And Half Life 2 with it, using the Gravity Gun? Undescribible. (<--- Yes, misspelled, sue me :P)
With how cheap pc parts are now with the games not upgrading graphics engines as fast as they should be. A good gaming pc to run the lastest game at full would cost around 500 bucks give or take certain things. The emachines bestbuy is selling for black friday will run WoW at full if you pay another 100 bucks for a Nvidia 250 videocard. So for 499 bucks, you have a pc to do job hunts, art, texting, voice chat, game, and lots more with.
The big argument was back in the day cost.. well it cost about the same as a console now. Since most hardcore console players will also buy cable/dsl internet. Competition for PC games is alot more fierce then for consoles as well. The problems just switch from Standby Cheaters to actual hackers. The perks are better with PC on the lines of Ping, Graphics, Frame-rates, updates, community updates, and etc.
The problem PC gaming has is if friends come by you need a pretty big place to have a good lan party compared to just grabbin some controls or setting up a rockband set. Anywho, Im sure you all catch my drift.
PC > Console.
I know you guys say that the console games is rated higher in average.
That's because we get more than four times more games for the PC.
Don't forget that Diablo 1,2 and lod is owning anything.
We have the starcraft series and the warcraft series.
And we are getting new games in all of the series soon.
Please do not hype any gam.. oh wait, nevermind... forgot what forum I was on.
A lot of people use the "I need it for work/school", or "I need it for <insert favorite internet activity>" arguments for getting a PC. Ironically, the only reason I see for having an expensive, upgraded PC is for games. For general entertainment, a PS3 with Linux and a keyboard/mouse would be equal to, or better than a PC in most ways. For work, I could get by fine with any old computer as long as it had plenty of RAM and harddrive space. None of the expensive bells and whistles that come with a fully upgraded gaming computer are needed for anything except, well, games.
That said, I like complex games. The kind of games I like are developed exclusively for the PC, and require a mouse and keyboard. I won't replace my gaming computer with a console until the mindset of console game developers changes, and most "PC games" get released on consoles without being simplified so they can be played with a controller. That may not be so far off, though. The technology is there. It *is* kinda worrying that Sony removed the ability to use Linux legally with the PS3 slim, though. Entirely the wrong signal to send out to people who want to replace their PC with a console as a multimedia center.
I am a filthy pirate. I share games I buy. How I percieve it is no different than lending a movie or anything else for that matter that is copyrighted to a friend. Just my demographic for friends is larger here on the WWW. Argghhhhh ye stinking nooblet.
PS. Lending copyrighted material is not against the law, selling it is, nuff said. PERIOD.
Originally posted by fennec12 Originally posted by peteski123 Originally posted by XasapisI'll just like to comment on this one point. As far as I know, consoles are a lot easier to hack & modify. The difference is that they usually modify the console control chip, instead of hack on the game software.Quite a few people also seem to justify doing it due to the price difference between the same games sold for PCs and consoles.Here are some recent news concerning piracy on xbox. Keep in mind that there is a considerable amount of people that don't care about Live or has their consoles connected to the internet, thus is not affected by Microsoft's measures.www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696/ns/technology_and_science-games/
Have to agree with Xasapis,
consoles are very easy to mod and get games for, me thinks the Op may have a degree but more of a temperature me feels. Having a degree in computer science dont mean much. I dont and I know how things work being doing comps for 15 years...
Was more of a "Look at me" post I feel
Well I have to disagree... Compared to pc, consoles are extreamly difficult to hack.
Most pc games are downloaded from the web, and you just click the play button. Maybe replace a single file and then click play. Something everyone can do.
Consoles you have to disassemble and connect a new chip. Or take out hardware, connect it to you'r pc, flash it and put it back togeather. This is NOT something everyone can do. And then you still have to burn the disks (the only easy part). And if you disassemble the console you loose the warranty. I don't know about the US, but we have 2 years warranty in Denmark, and I would hate to loose that...
Guess it depends on what YOU call hard.. consoles are easy for me
The biggest advantage to the console market is the unrestricted resale of used games.
So, when you walk into a gamestop and see 95% of the store filled with Console-related games and hardware, and one token shelf of PC games....this is a big reason why.
Stores can turn a profit multiple times,on one copy of a console game....once on the initial sale, and next when someone trades it in for 20 bucks and they turn around and sell it for 40.
While I remember the days when this was possible with PC games, rampant piracy killed it for the PC market. While you can pirate Console games, it is a much more involved process.
IF a restriction or ban is ever placed on the resale of Console games....the gaming market will turned on its ear....which is why io don't forsee this happening anytime soon.
For me? Games are games...they're either fun or they suck...the platform is irrelevant. PLayed games on both PC and console that are just awesome....its really about teh games and not the platform.
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Originally posted by Yoge With how cheap pc parts are now with the games not upgrading graphics engines as fast as they should be. A good gaming pc to run the lastest game at full would cost around 500 bucks give or take certain things. The emachines bestbuy is selling for black friday will run WoW at full if you pay another 100 bucks for a Nvidia 250 videocard. So for 499 bucks, you have a pc to do job hunts, art, texting, voice chat, game, and lots more with. The big argument was back in the day cost.. well it cost about the same as a console now. Since most hardcore console players will also buy cable/dsl internet. Competition for PC games is alot more fierce then for consoles as well. The problems just switch from Standby Cheaters to actual hackers. The perks are better with PC on the lines of Ping, Graphics, Frame-rates, updates, community updates, and etc. The problem PC gaming has is if friends come by you need a pretty big place to have a good lan party compared to just grabbin some controls or setting up a rockband set. Anywho, Im sure you all catch my drift. PC > Console.
It's not just about the hardware, it's about the games as well.
And in this regard, I feel that Consoles > PC (although the gap is closing in as multiplatform releases get more popular).
Originally posted by busdriver Modding./thread
To the best of my knowledge, modding a console is not considered illegal. Heck, even ROM's are ok as long as they are deleted within 24 hours.
Every time I've ever talked to someone about the 2, no matter what they play, or if they prefer the consoles for some games or the controls or what not, they always agree that the PC is still far superior in the things it can do.
When I can get on my Console and be able to
-check all of my different e-mails
-check my bank statements
-read the newest Penny-arcade
-surf for porn
-download all my games directly off the internet onto the console
-sign in to all of my chat programs and talk on all of them at the same time
-download all new patches for all games in the background while not slowing down my system
-check this forum and all others I wish to check
-Watch movies at anytime I want(Not just netflix)
-Listen to iTunes or any other music player
-Check Ebay or any other sort of site that I wish to sell/buy things on (Amazon, Overstock, Tigerdirect, ect.)
-Has a control scheme that is so easily set up and customized as a computer
-Allows me to customize it in anyway shape or form and download things so that I can change it as I see fit
-Set moderator tools for all of these specific functions
-Oh yea, and play multiple games at the SAME TIME.
When consoles can do that, there might be an arguement.
Originally posted by ishist Originally posted by Forumfall Originally posted by PoopyStuff Originally posted by Forumfall Originally posted by reimaru ya consoles are like pcs, but sad part in consoles is that you can't upgrade themthen in the old days consoles were much prefered because there are some games that pcs don't have
Console give you a hasslefree experience. For the most part. Not evrybody wants to upgrade hardware/windows/antivirus/firewall/antispyware/drivers just for 5% better graphics. That and sitting on a couch with a big lcd and perhaps 5.1 beats the shit out of sitting at a desk.
Consoles have alot of exclusives. Of course you don't hear about them if your a pure pc gamer.
I almost busted out laughing when I read that
what planet are you on pal?
red ring of death? disc read errors? At least when my computer is having trouble I can replace a part and get the thing up and running in a day...
there's no argument to be had between consoles and pc. consoles are for people on a lower income scale andor don't wanna spend the money for the best game experience money can buy...
You are the one living in a little odd world were everyone gives a shit about pc tech and the like. Newsflash, most people just want to play games. That dosn't make them stupid or low income, it makes them people that have better things to do with their time.
In the past 6 years I had 4 (award winning) pc powersupplies (from the better brands), one HIS Radeon 9800 pro, two (again awardwinning) HDD's, one asus and one msi mainboards crap out on me to. That beeing said I have always monitored my temps so don't bother bringing that argument.
I am still a pc gamer but imho saying that one is better than the other is stupidity and shows that you haven't experienced the other side with some proper equipment.
How many of those parts required you to pack up your PC in a box and ship it back to the company to fix?
I had to semd my Xbox in for repair a few months ago. Guess how long it took me to get it back, one week. I had plenty of things to do in that very short amount of time, work family and social events. Oh I also could just play a game on my ps3 or PC if I wanted to. I have never understoodd this whole debate over pc vs console. They are both great platforms with pluses and minuses on both sides which have been stated multiple times by different people in the many threads like this that have appeared on these forums over the years. Just play your games and have fun its that simple.
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I used to play exclusively on consoles. Then, when I was 13, I got a laptop. The transfer to PC gaming started there - although I did still enjoy gaming on the Gamecube/X Box at the time.
I eventually got another laptop - it was actually a pretty good little beast... for two years. Then the graphics accelerator... I dunno... wobbled out of place, or fried and shriveled up or something. Regardless, it would have been cheaper to just buy a new PC.
So I did - at about $1000, including all peripherals (monitor, keyboard - I still had my nice speakers, though, from the laptop...) I got a computer with a Core-2-Duo processor, 4GB of RAM, and an 8800GS. It still runs my games nicely, for the last two years.
In the end, it's up to preference. Hell, I spend more time reading shit on the internet than I do actually playing video games - usually stupid arguments like this (which is perhaps why I'm so grumpy/angry lately - reading all the hate from the internet must do things to people...)
I like my freedom, though, and I would say that I prefer PC gaming to consoles. That said, though, MAN I loved Dead or Alive 4 on the 360. So damn smooth... my only issue with that game was shorter/taller characters doing mid/high punches and not being able to tell the difference (I counter a lot)
You could say that Consoles are the Themepark, and that PCs are the Sandbox, if you wanted to make an analogy towards MMOs with it. Haha.
I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much.
You all need to learn to spell.
The PC vs Consoles debate has been going on and on for years. The "end" of PC gaming has been proclaimed many times over the last 10-15 years, and yet PC gaming is still going strong. My guess is PC gaming will stay very much alive unless and until the day the home PC and TV are merged into one system, which come to think of it would actually be the end of consoles not the PC as the PC would be taking over the console's territory.
The PC is more than a game system, and almost everyone needs a PC for other things like email and web and work and a hundred million other things. So as long as everyone has a PC in their home, someone is going to capitalize on that by making games for it. PC gaming can't die unless PCs themselves die, and it will take a lot more than another generation of Xbox for that to happen.
Originally posted by PoopyStuff Originally posted by Forumfall Originally posted by ishist
Nice argument but do you even have a clue what for a pathetic support/warranty service most hardware companies have? So IMHO the 'hassle' thing is still worse on the pc side...
IF you fall within the warranty time frame you get a brand new product should one of them fail over time in your computer.
and it doesn't take 4-6 weeks like the crapbox360. a lot of them will send you the new one and have you send the old one back.
I had mine fixed in 2-3 weeks both times and don't claim that it doesn't take forever to get shit fixed on pcs. When I built my most recent computer every part I looked at had problems with the companies because thats just how all thee busisness roll no matter what field they are in.
Also a real gamer plays all the consoles instead of being arrorgant and claiming "well only good games come out for my system" Ive missed out on PS3 games these past 3 years though I plan to rememdy that on black friday, no reason to be selective as they all get exclusives worth playing.
Also the high resloution someone listed is that on a 55in plasma or better yet a 10ft projection screen? Having gotten to play on both of those and several very nice PCs it doesn't matter what the PC can do giant tv w/ surrond sound and couch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PC at desk.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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I like my consoles for the comfort of my sofa and the glory of my 61" TV.
I like my PC for the glory of my 1920x1200 monitor and the uber-awesomeness of keyboard/mouse.
A toss up, really.
Originally posted by Gothikaboy I know you guys say that the console games is rated higher in average.That's because we get more than four times more games for the PC.Don't forget that Diablo 1,2 and lod is owning anything.We have the starcraft series and the warcraft series.And we are getting new games in all of the series soon.
lol here is metacritc
You have to go to 15th to get the PC game Half Life 2 the next beinf HF1 at 19. The most recent one in the top 50 was the Orange Box in 2007 which was greatly helped by HF2 being part of it.
Starcraft-88 doesn't even land it in the top 200.
Diablo 1-94 which is good but its 13 years old and Diablo 2 is 88 which again would not place it in the top 200.
Originally posted by Arndur Originally posted by Gothikaboy I know you guys say that the console games is rated higher in average.That's because we get more than four times more games for the PC.Don't forget that Diablo 1,2 and lod is owning anything.We have the starcraft series and the warcraft series.And we are getting new games in all of the series soon.
What about the dupes in there for multiple consoles? Just sayin'.
Originally posted by skeaser Originally posted by Arndur Originally posted by Gothikaboy I know you guys say that the console games is rated higher in average.That's because we get more than four times more games for the PC.Don't forget that Diablo 1,2 and lod is owning anything.We have the starcraft series and the warcraft series.And we are getting new games in all of the series soon.
It still would not rank them as high as other console games. They would of course break 200 and maybe even 100 but still over shadowed by console.
Online communities, games built for longevity rather than play until the next flavor of the month, more complex games, hardcore vs casual, better controls, if I need a controller I just plug it in, all games PS2 and before available, greatest adventure games of all time, best shooters of all time, best RTS's of all time, best fighting games of all time, some of the best racing games of all time, prefered platform for MMOs, best competitive titles and of course modding which brought exceptional games to the world like CS and TF. Obviously there are some exceptions with my complexity, longevity and hardcore vs casual views but for the most part what I say still stands.
360 and PS3 can never dream to compete with a PC. PS2 and SNES are the best consoles, game library quality and size, and those don't even compete with PC.
Let's take MW2 example for console limitations because IW felt it would be necessary to compare the two and proved PC's superiority by limiting PC users to the same stuff console players deal with(casuals don't notice). MW2 is the worst 50+ dollars I have ever spent, this includes Superman 64 and Age of Conan on release day. Why? Because other than its great graphics and fun, although poorly done and short singleplayer, it brings online features and mouse movements that were done better in the 90s.
Quake 2 had many more online features and it's controls were pinpoint, not loose and sloppy. What is the point in playing a shooting game online if I cannot find a server I like, eventually level my skills as I become closer friends with the admin, gain online rivals and friends, eventually become an admin and possibly get into the clan's competitive team to make a small name for myself and move up from there possibly joining a league? In MW2, which is a direct console port, I can press play now then choose a game type.
Online longevity which = community, Quake 3, CS(still one of the most played shooters ever made), CSS, DOD, Quakeworld, Starcraft, Age of Empires 2, Warcraft 2 and 3, Everquest, UO, WoW, EVE, EQ2, TFC, SOF2, are off the top of my head.
Console, Halo 3, maybe Halo 2, is GoW1 still played?, MGO, some Indie DC games(which kick ass), FFXI I guess counts.
I typed up way too much, not nearly done but whatever.
PC > SNES = PS2 > Arcade > DS > PS1 = NES > GB > GBA > PS3 > Dreamcast > 360 > Wii > 64 > all Atari > Genesis > fill whatever piece of crap you want here.
Playing: EVEand you better care
Originally posted by Arndur Originally posted by skeaser Originally posted by Arndur Originally posted by Gothikaboy I know you guys say that the console games is rated higher in average.That's because we get more than four times more games for the PC.Don't forget that Diablo 1,2 and lod is owning anything.We have the starcraft series and the warcraft series.And we are getting new games in all of the series soon.
Missed my point. I'm saying in the top 20 Tony Hawk 2 shows up twice and so did something else, I closed the window already. IE Dreamcast/PS version. Consoles get multiple votes.
The shift to console is happening? I dont think so, considering the fact that consoles ARE PCs more and more.
Consoles are priced lower than PC mainly for the fact that microsoft and sony both lose money making these systems but make money on selling copyrights for game companies, not to mention shit like DLC.
I assume you know about the new shit Infinity Ward pulled? I cant believe I was looking forward to this game. What a stab in the back indeed.
In any case, I'll stop playing video games all together, if my favorite genres like FPS, mmo, RTS will become anything like their console versions. I own a PS3 but I got it not just for games, mainly because its also a blue ray player.
Think about it shit way. PS3 can run linux, no hacking needed, you can install linux on it, sony allows it. So PS4 might have even MORE features that today's PC have .. but PS5 will be a PC fo sho.
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Originally posted by peenk So PS4 might have even MORE features that today's PC have .. but PS5 will be a PC fo sho.
Impossible. A lot more people are creating new shit on the PC everyday whereas the consoles it's mainly just the huge developers.
I get the fact the consoles are cheaper and more user-friendly, easily transported, etc.
But on PCs you can download movies,music, games, have multiple chat/voip on, and still play 2-3 mmorpgs at once. I also like building/adding on to my PC. I guess it's basically the same difference as some people get factory-stock cars and others like getting rims and aftermarket parts to improve the same car.
To each his own.
90% of what has been typed in this thread comes down to personal opinion and or personal preferances. My personal list based on enjoyment I had with the various platforms based purely on gaming would be.
PC = SNES = PS2 = Arcade = DS = PS1 = NES = GB = GBA = PS3 = Dreamcast = 360 = Wii = 64 = all Atari = Genesis