After a million World War 2 movies, I don't feel like watching another normal WW2 movie.
After a million MMORPG games... I don't feel the need to play more "MMORPG" games. Not only the genre is more shallow now, but I have learn to see how shallow has always been. There are also different styles of MMORPG, but the companys insist to producing the same style of game.
The MMORPG world don't need a million WoW clones, only need 1 WoW, and 1 EVE, and 1 Planetside, and 1 "Diablo" and 1 "Baldurs Gate".
If anything... we have to blame on the gamers than insist to play poor games, because the popularity factor.
What is this problem so many have with discussing the negative aspects of a MMO? The entire idea of a forum is to discuss both the good and bad in a game. If that bothers you, don't visit any forum and be ignorant.
This is an imperfect world we live in and the games that we play are also that way. Why are so many so uptight about discussion of such? Wake up and smell the roses!
These forums have little effect on MMO's, but it is nice to know ahead of time the good and bad points of a game before you plunk down your money.
Ok, wait... So it's not hacking, gold farmers, bugs, greedy companies, RMT, bad game design, lawsuits, addiction, grinding, MMO deaths, private servers or illegal copying that will kill MMO......
LOL...what are you thinking? Of course it is none of that. We are given what developers want us to play and we are supposed to just bend over and take it however they please. You are just talking nonesence...don't try blaming the companies...it is always the players fault when it comes to MMOs.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I believe the OP was refering to how the site may ruin the view of New Comers to the MMORPG genre, that come to this site for reviews and feedback.
That is the problem right there. The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself. Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not. It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom. It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.
It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
I believe the OP was refering to how the site may ruin the view of New Comers to the MMORPG genre, that come to this site for reviews and feedback.
That is the problem right there. The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself. Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not. It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom. It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.
It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.
Even more than that, most people who play MMOs do not read forums, and most people who come to this site do not read the forums. This forum is not the greatest threat to MMORPGs, the greatest threat is Hello Kitty Online. Get it right
HAHA. So that is why the OP was always posting negative posts about WOW in the WOW forums... He... thinks that posting in here influences the "future" of mmorpg's. I look up ... and see the same .... 242 nerds logged in every day. That's around 0.000001% of the player's base. This site is a kindergarden playground for a few dozen frustrated and bored MMO players. Nothing more. And I love it.
Yep...we're tight knit community and the forums are where we 242 nerds and geeks come to do our daily nerd raging....and oh did I tell you - A dingo ate my baby!!!!!!!!!!!
What threat? Aion is making money (I think), City of Heroes is making money, LOTRO is making money, EVE is making money, WoW is making a bazillion dollars and has another MMO in development.
I will be real surprised if TOR doesn't make money.
The future of MMORPGs looks pretty secure. A lot will release and fail and the investors will lose all their money (Tabula Rasa) amd some will release and make a decent return on investment (ROI), and others will make a bazillion dollars.
I really dont know what the OP is getting at. There has been alot of constructive talk on these forums over the years about all things related to MMORPGS. If some of it is negative towards some games - Then it usually means that there is something to actually critizise. And thats perfectly fine.
Sadly tho - alot of talk on these forums goes into arguing with or against certain games. Thats perfectly fine to - since ppl are looking for diffrent things.
MMORPGS is buisness. Most posters here on these forums realise that and know that most of the disission taken by devs and publisher companies is based on money rather than the actual game. Forums like MMORPG.COM should become important tool in defending the right of the GAMERS - Allowing free and open talk about the games - while they are in development - in beta and after launch.
NDA is not the friend of the gamers. And you can argue if it is really to any benefit of the game itself. AOC is probably the best example of a game that failed because the developers tried to prevent open discussion about the game. Maybe because the main goal of the publisher was just to sell alot of copies before ppl realised how unfinished and broken the game was.
During the launch of AOC - there were big groups of beta testers that tried to warn ppl what was coming. These ppl were banned here when talking negativly about the game and the posts were deleted . At the same time posts that were more of a postive nature - true or false - were allowed to stand. EVEN when they were breaking NDA. Thats not acceptable in my eyes and hopefully MMORPG.COM has learned from it.
Overall - I look at MMORPG.COM as the best discussion site about the genre. That doesn't mean its perfect. But it will certainly not destroy the MMORPGs coming out in the future. I think the devs and publishers can do that perfectly fine by themselfs - while they continue to realse MMOs in the standard of most games in the past 2 years.
Forums or opinions on forums have nothing to do with the future of mmo's.
unless the following is universally true.
1) You let what other people say mandate your choices.. instead of actually forming your own opinion. Altho when I look around at stuff going on.. it seems a vast number of people are content to be sheep...
2) developers actually make choices based off the active feedback of the obvious minority... altho I've actually seen games destroyed from this.
There is a lot of decent people on here, and have quite a lot of information on things, or if not can point you in the right direction.
So it can go both ways.
Otherwise, if your reading about something and the actual thread ends and the bitching starts going from talking about wow, ffxi or whatever to suddenly "I played pre-cu and now my life is over yrs after the game changed and this game somehow ties in to it all" then FCS move on, not that hard...
If your looking to justify why anyones ignorant, so on, on here then:
In the end, it just boils down to ego. Its the internet, it will add +20 to it right from the start.
And obviously if you say something to bruise someones, again, its the internet. They dont have to see you face to face, so they will unleash anything and everything stupid enough to annoy the hell out of you.
And you will be as bad for letting any of it bother you.
After a million World War 2 movies, I don't feel like watching another normal WW2 movie. After a million MMORPG games... I don't feel the need to play more "MMORPG" games. Not only the genre is more shallow now, but I have learn to see how shallow has always been. There are also different styles of MMORPG, but the companys insist to producing the same style of game. The MMORPG world don't need a million WoW clones, only need 1 WoW, and 1 EVE, and 1 Planetside, and 1 "Diablo" and 1 "Baldurs Gate". If anything... we have to blame on the gamers than insist to play poor games, because the popularity factor.
Most companies that are producing the same style of games are doing so to steal buyers- MMO industry it's a competitive market just like anything else. And when someone does well in something there will always be copycats ..they will take the original and make it better or try to...also I wouldn't blame the companies that do this. There's a huge market now because WoW! They made MMO's mainstream (unfortunately). But don't worry my good lad- eventually the WOW junkies will move on to the next game and want something new and different...that's when blizzard or NCsoft or SOE(hopefully not) are going to scratch their heads and go back to the drawing board.
Also don't blame the gamers...majority of the MMO players now are relatively new and don't know anything but WoW or Runescape(Ignorance is bliss)- but like i said they will eventually move on for greener pastures-the same way you did with MUDs or UO or EQ.
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After a million World War 2 movies, I don't feel like watching another normal WW2 movie.
After a million MMORPG games... I don't feel the need to play more "MMORPG" games. Not only the genre is more shallow now, but I have learn to see how shallow has always been. There are also different styles of MMORPG, but the companys insist to producing the same style of game.
The MMORPG world don't need a million WoW clones, only need 1 WoW, and 1 EVE, and 1 Planetside, and 1 "Diablo" and 1 "Baldurs Gate".
If anything... we have to blame on the gamers than insist to play poor games, because the popularity factor.
What is this problem so many have with discussing the negative aspects of a MMO? The entire idea of a forum is to discuss both the good and bad in a game. If that bothers you, don't visit any forum and be ignorant.
This is an imperfect world we live in and the games that we play are also that way. Why are so many so uptight about discussion of such? Wake up and smell the roses!
These forums have little effect on MMO's, but it is nice to know ahead of time the good and bad points of a game before you plunk down your money.
LOL...what are you thinking? Of course it is none of that. We are given what developers want us to play and we are supposed to just bend over and take it however they please. You are just talking nonesence...don't try blaming the companies...it is always the players fault when it comes to MMOs.
Somehow can't find bashing and flaming in spellborn forums section, looks like only good words bout game
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Meh, I don't see the problem.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
That is the problem right there. The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself. Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not. It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom. It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.
It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
That is the problem right there. The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself. Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not. It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom. It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.
It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.
Even more than that, most people who play MMOs do not read forums, and most people who come to this site do not read the forums. This forum is not the greatest threat to MMORPGs, the greatest threat is Hello Kitty Online. Get it right
So that explains why my damn Fire/Fire Blaster in CoH sucks so badly now.
Yep...we're tight knit community and the forums are where we 242 nerds and geeks come to do our daily nerd raging....and oh did I tell you - A dingo ate my baby!!!!!!!!!!!
The OP ruined MMO's for me! His comments made all the artwork, and gameplay unwatchable, unplayable!
What threat? Aion is making money (I think), City of Heroes is making money, LOTRO is making money, EVE is making money, WoW is making a bazillion dollars and has another MMO in development.
I will be real surprised if TOR doesn't make money.
The future of MMORPGs looks pretty secure. A lot will release and fail and the investors will lose all their money (Tabula Rasa) amd some will release and make a decent return on investment (ROI), and others will make a bazillion dollars.
I really dont know what the OP is getting at. There has been alot of constructive talk on these forums over the years about all things related to MMORPGS. If some of it is negative towards some games - Then it usually means that there is something to actually critizise. And thats perfectly fine.
Sadly tho - alot of talk on these forums goes into arguing with or against certain games. Thats perfectly fine to - since ppl are looking for diffrent things.
MMORPGS is buisness. Most posters here on these forums realise that and know that most of the disission taken by devs and publisher companies is based on money rather than the actual game. Forums like MMORPG.COM should become important tool in defending the right of the GAMERS - Allowing free and open talk about the games - while they are in development - in beta and after launch.
NDA is not the friend of the gamers. And you can argue if it is really to any benefit of the game itself. AOC is probably the best example of a game that failed because the developers tried to prevent open discussion about the game. Maybe because the main goal of the publisher was just to sell alot of copies before ppl realised how unfinished and broken the game was.
During the launch of AOC - there were big groups of beta testers that tried to warn ppl what was coming. These ppl were banned here when talking negativly about the game and the posts were deleted . At the same time posts that were more of a postive nature - true or false - were allowed to stand. EVEN when they were breaking NDA. Thats not acceptable in my eyes and hopefully MMORPG.COM has learned from it.
Overall - I look at MMORPG.COM as the best discussion site about the genre. That doesn't mean its perfect. But it will certainly not destroy the MMORPGs coming out in the future. I think the devs and publishers can do that perfectly fine by themselfs - while they continue to realse MMOs in the standard of most games in the past 2 years.
Forums or opinions on forums have nothing to do with the future of mmo's.
unless the following is universally true.
1) You let what other people say mandate your choices.. instead of actually forming your own opinion. Altho when I look around at stuff going on.. it seems a vast number of people are content to be sheep...
2) developers actually make choices based off the active feedback of the obvious minority... altho I've actually seen games destroyed from this.
So hey I guess in some ways the OP is right...
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Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
Lol, cripes I loves me some irony. So the OP who constantly trolls the WoW forums can't take his own medicine?
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There is a lot of decent people on here, and have quite a lot of information on things, or if not can point you in the right direction.
So it can go both ways.
Otherwise, if your reading about something and the actual thread ends and the bitching starts going from talking about wow, ffxi or whatever to suddenly "I played pre-cu and now my life is over yrs after the game changed and this game somehow ties in to it all" then FCS move on, not that hard...
If your looking to justify why anyones ignorant, so on, on here then:
In the end, it just boils down to ego. Its the internet, it will add +20 to it right from the start.
And obviously if you say something to bruise someones, again, its the internet. They dont have to see you face to face, so they will unleash anything and everything stupid enough to annoy the hell out of you.
And you will be as bad for letting any of it bother you.
Most companies that are producing the same style of games are doing so to steal buyers- MMO industry it's a competitive market just like anything else. And when someone does well in something there will always be copycats ..they will take the original and make it better or try to...also I wouldn't blame the companies that do this. There's a huge market now because WoW! They made MMO's mainstream (unfortunately). But don't worry my good lad- eventually the WOW junkies will move on to the next game and want something new and different...that's when blizzard or NCsoft or SOE(hopefully not) are going to scratch their heads and go back to the drawing board.
Also don't blame the gamers...majority of the MMO players now are relatively new and don't know anything but WoW or Runescape(Ignorance is bliss)- but like i said they will eventually move on for greener pastures-the same way you did with MUDs or UO or EQ.
"The greatest threat to the future of mmorpgs is......"
Facebook
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aktPPHCAdOQg
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10387846-36.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2009-10-15-games-hit-social-networks_N.htm (make sure you read the side panel)
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/257710/Did-Facebook-just-kill-the-Civ-MMO.html
300 million users as an audience. Real money transfers. Shorter development cycle. Minimal dollars spent on advertising and publishing.
Maybe they're a fad. Maybe social games and mmo's will coexist. Maybe they'll push mmo developers to get smarter/better.
Or...maybe...you should sign up for that facebook account now if you want to play in 2012.
Or maybe I should shoot myself in the head right now before Facebook dominates the world?
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