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Neocron 2 - My View
would post this in forum.neocron.com but since im x2s banned there(spoil sport mods)im gonna post it here.
Ive played NC1 from day 1 retail right though to NC2 beta and now NC2 retail.
ok so my thoughs on NC2, after speaking to some people who were in closed beta i had such high hopes for this game, towards the end of NC1 populations were down due to nothing to do and such, so NC2 was supposed to be the saviour kinda thing.
however, NC2 has got just as many bugs as NC1, ok they have apart from the odd one or 2 gotten rid of the Fatel errors which is good since they have been there for over 2 years of retail.
but along have come new bugs like the massive droner problem that has been going on since start of NC2, though it looks like KK are actaully going to be sorting out this with the first of there "Theme weeks".
ok actaul game then, as pro city i started in NC like old days, now with updated textures(have to say why bother tho)and new skins(ok but old ones suited NC more), the city is larger in a upwards aspect, i.e a new floor added to certain buildings.
yet beyond that and the no safe zones(apart from Hqs) theres little diffrence that hits you(well except for lack of enemies walking past you)
with NC2 KK changed the way items are distrebuted, now a lot of items are gained from faction guys who sell them but only to that faction then its for players to deal out to other factions, which is good idea.......however with NC population of game doesnt really lend it self to this idea.
ok features of NC2, wisdom of Ceres was the big thing for capped players, yet as i type this, its still not fully implemented into the game(should be sorted this week i think at long last) item tracking isnt in game either which was a big thing we needed/wanted.
then the WoC its self, beyond the fact its items we dont know what they are, yet we have to spend ages getting the XP for them, something like extra 100mil xp for first level then for 5th you need something like 2000mil xp or somthing exually stupid.
ya great implementation there KK, way to keep the players who have stuck with you since day one happy.
we were told new weapons in game, ugh well theres the ion cross bow which is only genuine new weapon and im told is not that great tbh but hey its still a new weapon.
then theres things like the Special Forces Plasma Wave(TL 110 CA only plasma wave)which is cool but is basically a ravager with higher TL and lower stats(as player built rather than from techs like the rav)
yet the CA SFPW and then a TG weapon which is a raygun cannon, there seems to be bugger all new items, shame, i was hoping for more, but well my gameing experience doesnt hinge on the new weapons.
game performance however is a diffrent story, this needs to be good for me to keep playing, however, i get worse FPS than NC1, i got what i can only describe as lag spike type things, and then theres the total lag after i Fire a plasma based weapon(not including the wave), now this is stupid to be, as i had none of those problems with NC1, and was told there should be a small improvement in FPS.
yet that aint happened, although it was tough in NC1 i could op war, but tbh with NC2 im scared to try cos of the way the game is performing for me so far, and i know i aint the only one.
and this kinda brings me to the PvP in NC2, NC1 PvP was the thing that hooked most players, it was fun and action packed(not gonna talk about effect of PPUs on this)and really its still the same in NC2, so thats one good thing, after killing 5 TGs other day i know the pvp/pking is still as fun as ever and thats the one thing that has kept be in the game for this long.
however for an add on/expansion what ever KK feel like dressing it up as, it just doesnt really add enough to fully justify the extra amount we are now paying, as once this was proberbly the cheapest however now this is just as expensive as SWG or everquest whatever else floats your boat.
i guess concidering the small team KKhave they have done well with the game.
overall i still enjoy playing it but was not as good as i had hoped and i hope KK can improve the game and continue adding more stuff thats fun for old and new players
as it also seems the new players in the game enjoy the game more than the NC1 vets do, however end of the day, its still the vets who make up the majority of the server pops and so they shouldnt just carry on like they dont care about us.
had more to say but gonna leave it there for now
oh and Odin or Nid if ya read this, un ban meh
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Yeah unban me too please
and hi ezza
Neocron has failed really, after years KK didnt manage to fix the game or improve it much. I dunno if this is because they were just too small to cope, or if they were just to lazy to do any work, but if you look at any business that starts out they either get better or go bust and thats what KK have done now.
Was a great concept and i wish it had worked. As for NC2 the patch they brought out with the epics in was better then what they added with the expansion if you can call it that, at least it worked. Sad to see it fail, would have been really good if it had took off but it never did. If you think this games gonna get better i think your just hanging on to lost hopes.
There are STILL people on the neocron forums who have accepted over 2 years of abuse from Reakktor and are STILL sitting there saying, "Please fix the bugs and lack of content and bugs and bad fps and bugs and populations and and and...".
It never fails to amaze me how long people will hold on to the false hope that neocron might actually be decent one day, it obviously wont...every time they promise it to get better, it doesn't. Where do these people come from? NC2 was supposed to be neocron's saviour...what a load of shit, NC2 is just neocron with a few crappy things added. Same bugs/problems are all there, nc2 isn't saving anyone or anything...
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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tbh im getting sick of how NC is now, the item distrebution is poor cos of the low player base, i get terrible PvP performace YAY for lag from CS
the game eats memory like nothing else know to gaming, from having around 250-300(400 before running NC) free ram at start of game( some reason it seems to eat around 100 just loading the game
then after about 30mins playing i run out of ram.
lame to say the least
KK have made it now so its less specialsation but its still not enough imo.
the way the game performs ive either gotta give up pvp and tradeskill or get used to shoddy coding that results in the problems i have when pvping, only occasionally do i get a good fight were the game doesnt mess with me.
meh anyway, guess ill just go and install UO back on my comp
Seems that ezza only wanna say how bad it is.....
I am going for the second year now in NC
And now they do theme weeks to get rid of bugs with great success too
And lots more theme weeks coming and a new server located in asia as well
not really did you actually read everything i said in that first post, i pointed out some good stuff, but it annoys me this game has so much potential yet KK have many many times messed it up.
i mean take the specialsation, early retail you didnt have to, then they messed around and suddenly a HC tank needed 220+ to even remotly cap a CS, and it took KK over ayear to realise this cock up and remove specialsation(to an extent).
ok ya the droner week was good(tho it didnt really effect me as a non droner)however many of those bugs were 2 years old, some other bugs from 2 years and beyond are still in game, right click bug anyone?
dont get me wrong i do like the game and want it to do well, but whenyou see so many things that are still wrong its hard not to get
and if you notice on the neocron forum a number of people have recent left, 8 or 9 just on the forum, ive seen others leave in game who dont post, and ive yet to see the numbers of noobs in to replace these vets.
the % figures prove this i mean the servers were barely hitting 200 people(with the exception of one of the german servers which was 300) thats lower than NC1 on saturn at prime time.
this game was great cos of the ease of which you could get into it, now they are making it as hard as possible, a brand new noob would struggle to get the items they require, the vets dont care the noobs, KK dont really care about the vets and the noobs dont care about KK cos they are new to the game, and the way the game is geared i wonder how many of those that played as a noob in NC2 are still playing.
and the vets, well you only have to look at the forum to see how many major posters are missing, talking about people who were "major" people in the community.
the game has gone
since NC2, KK could of handled it so much better.
and the whole Red V Blue empire type thing just dosnt work with ncs community.
I barely get right click bug but then again I do not try to run 2 clients on same comps as most ppl do
Then exactly at this moment 270 ppl on terra and not even prime time
Reason why not many ppl ingame yet ....
c2p and the retail only hit germany so far.......
But I admit there is problems in nc 2 but name a perfect mmorpg game then
and those 8-9 was going anyway as if you play from retail sometimes you have to stop
I am bored with it now and then but then again I am in swg and project-entropia as well
That is why I am still in NC because no game is better than that in pvp and stuff ifen with all bugs
Ah the days of Neocron. I played since day 2 of retail on NC1. When I stoppe dplaying there was barely anyone playing on the Uranus server.
At the end of NC 1 uranus was not much used either but seems that lots of ppl are back as saturn and pluto did merge.And now atari is advertising nc2 and new asian servers are coming up.So let's hope for some more ppl
Well ive been playing NC2 now for a couple months never actualy played the origional but i can see what you guys mean. They have made some major cock ups to say the least. Yet despite all teh bugs its still probably one of the mor enjoyable games that ive played. Once in a clan people work together and do a lot of fun stuff.
the game is slowly getting better and a few big events are about to happen which is sorta cool. The worst problem with the game tho (other than slack ass KK) is the new payment system via click2pay which has screwed over a lot of people.
Otherwise its a cool game.
good gameing.
Thats good info Ezza
I used to play Neocron for around 8-10 months a couple of years back, mostly when it was new. I was thinking of revisiting it for Neocron 2, its always fun to see how a game has evolved over 2 years
- Taz
good to get an update
sometimes I get the urge to revisit saturn, but I don't think so
Jom - pistol PE
Lefty - HW Tank
Prime - rifle constructor
Real - research / repair
/nod to the few peeps from beta
NC was a beautiful thing that really needed a good workover, the creativity and dedication of the people there is obvious but the /lag and bugs and limitations of the environment were just too much. No item tracking, no player store or auction, and a database that gave me a chill of fear everytime I tried to trade with someone. players in the US were also perminantly handicapped because of the ocean distance. still, what a character schema, and many many other things done so well.
BTW, Patch 131 was just released a few days ago fixing a few things and adding some noob stuff. They trying to fix up NC2 before the International release, and what I hear from the the dev team is that there should be a few more updates before the actually release.
The only problem I have with it now is just those damn memory leaks while WarBotting (
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it also returned the stealthing Pes to us, atm im having account problems so cant play, however some of the things in recent patch are making me think twice about my return.
i know there was some decent stuff in the recent patch, but bringing back stealth PEs, ugh no thanks
They removed any point of the PE when they took Stealth off of it, the game basically just became all about class and set-up which defeated the whole purpose of it being a (kind of) FPS.
The worst of the problems with Neocron is Monks. The all powerful PPUs are stupidly destabilising and the way the APUs have different combat rules to other classes is ridiculous.
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
i disagree on the stealth, pes didnt need it(i had a low tech and high tech pe myself)a decent setup and you could do well.
i found it was people who had poor setus who used the stealth, they would get hit stealth attack get hit stealth etc etc until you got bored.
the ones with good setups didnt need it.
as for monks, they should of balanced the hybrids not create apu and ppu.
i played NC at the beginning of Retail. It made a good impression to me. the look and feel of the cyberworld is really well done.
on the other hand i heard that most player actions are checked client side and not server sided. not really secure in my opinion. i experienced a lot of rollbacks too in my playin time.
performance was ok with my computer. i always have lots of ram installed, so i got no bottleneck. i did only player versus enviroment though.
a free trial would be nice.
There is a free trial. http://www.neocron2.com/. I followed this game in beta and thought the concepts were great. I only played for like a week then I got tired of doing the kill "x" many monster missions. The main thing that annoyed me was the lack of variation in appearances. Far too many people were running around with the same armor/clothing on. Also the weapons people were using didn't look unqiue nor did my own feel unique. (Note: This was probably a year or two ago).
I wish a major MMO company like SOE or NCsoft would pick this game up, complete it and take the bugs out. I think it would be the ultimate. It has the best atmosphere of any game I played (tied with AC1).
Another thing this game really lacks is word of mouth. You fans need to do a better job of invading other threads and submit news to MMORPG.com and other sites about the latest patches and stuff.
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