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I feel like if the OP didn't list what games he had played, anyone who posted 'We don't care what you've played you arrogant prick' would have instead just tried to discredit his review because he didn't know what he was talking about.
The list was so that you knew this came from someone who at least knows his way around an mmo, nothing more.
Agree on all levels. The gameplay is just not fun. Even the graphics are not that impressive.
About half of WoW’s vanilla quest content as can be verified through aionarmory.com and wowhead.com. Few races, but about the same number of raids/dungeons total in vanilla WoW. However, it must be stated that most begin at 40+, so there is not much for the 1-30 player to see in terms of dungeon content.
1. Aionarmory is not complete
2. There are quite a few dungeons before 40. 3 require your faction to control fortresses to run them.
3. There is plenty of content you just haven't looked hard enough
Exploration (Horrible):
Although there are three degrees of freedom, the zones are generally very confined and linear. Swimming is not possible and landmass is much smaller than that of other popular games.
The landmasses are not small, and I admit 1-20 is pretty linear but once you leave Verteron the world opens up and you choose where you want to go. As you level even more options open up and I believe that is why people run out of quests. Not because there isn't enough, but rather because they refuse to explore and spend all their time in the same area.
Ironically enough, these people are the same ones to complain about lack of exploration.
Character Advancement Pace (Poor):
There will be gaps while leveling where the quests run dry (only repeatable ones remain). New skills are gained every 3 levels or so.
This is so untrue, and what drives me crazy is that people continue to spread this lie. I have gone from 1-40 with my quest log full almost constantly. I have never grinded and only break from questing to run instances or collect molars. People refuse to explore and miss out on tons of quest hubs scattered through the abyss and Heiron.
Awww.. did I threaten the sanctity of your online paradise?
Me so sorry!
Wow, a new low. And here I was thinking you couldn't go lower.
You wouldn't tell why you are writing to Aion forum?
eeeeh? Weird. Aion designers themselves said they wanted the WoW audience and tried to copy Western design, and you can't hold WoW as a standard to Aion?..eeeh?
Aion isn't like WoW, it is true, but only because they failed to do it, not because they were trying something new, because Aion is just like WoW, only less good.
Can't say anything about WoW, because my experience about it is limited to two separate tries on trial account. They both lasted less than 2 hours. No offense.
What's weird is that I can't google any article about Aion designers saying they want WoW audience. But I'm sure you will back your words with a proper link.
NCSoft said they don't try to be a WoW-killer, but want the second place in western MMO-market. I don't know how you understand that statement, but to me it sounds like they mostly want those players who play other MMOs than WoW. Of course, WoW players are inevitable to join Aion (WoW players are so many).
Wow, a new low. And here I was thinking you couldn't go lower.
You wouldn't tell why you are writing to Aion forum?
Dear Aion Forum,
I am sorry for revealing facts about your game that might prevent potential customers from buying it. The next time I play your piece of shit game I'll close my eyes and pretend I'm watching anime with horrible voice overs.
Your greatest fan,
//\//\oo
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Wow, a new low. And here I was thinking you couldn't go lower.
You wouldn't tell why you are writing to Aion forum?
Dear Aion Forum,
I am sorry for revealing facts about your game that might prevent potential customers from buying it. The next time I play your piece of shit game I'll close my eyes and pretend I'm watching anime with horrible voice overs.
Your greatest fan,
//\//\oo
You really think you revealed any facts?
I hope you don't because there was no facts in your "review". There was opinions, yes. And you're entitled to them, but don't try to feed them as facts.
But apology accepted (by me at least), and now you maybe move on to some other games forums or to the general forums? Please?
P.S. Avoid playing piece of shit games. They don't do good to your mental health.
Pretty much agree with the OP. Also the reason why I find the score in MMORPG.coms review a little over the top.
You really think you revealed any facts?
I hope you don't because there was no facts in your "review". There was opinions, yes. And you're entitled to them, but don't try to feed them as facts.
But apology accepted (by me at least), and now you maybe move on to some other games forums or to the general forums? Please?
P.S. Avoid playing piece of shit games. They don't do good to your mental health.
I apologized to the forum, not you. Get over yourself.
P.S. You're not the boss of me; if I want to play shitty games to torture myself and then write reviews I'll continue to do so.
P.S.S Cry more.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Okay my view on this humorous post and responses
I appreciate the Op's view of the game , I haven't played Aion yet but will be as the general consensus about it has been positive and my brothers say the game is excellent ...so thats an endorsement I place credibility in
I think if someone is giving us a review it is important they state there MMO experience so we know it's not some beginner posting .I do prefer reviews on people who have extensive experience
But Op some of your response have been overly truculent and it's just going to create comments based on emotion ...detracting from having a discussion about the true relevance of your original post
Later
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Thank you thexrated, that was exactly what I was looking for. If this is correct then it seems Moo's numbers were very inflated, that Aion was competitive with it's quest numbers though didn't have a correct balance for quest xp, according to some, and that Even LOTRO after all this time doesn't have a huge amount more.
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ok so let's say for argument sake that there were only 200 or so quests added since launch for 1-60 range. Do other games also release with the same 2000+ quests on either side or is your argument that Aion doesn't compare to wow? also keep in mind that some of the wow quests are race specific. So most games will have 2000+ quests per faction, side whatever your choice over the 1000+ of Aion? If that is the case then yes, it would seem that Aion fell down quite short. Or is this just a comparison of WoW? Can I then look at LOTRO and see that LOTRO had about the same amount of quests as Aion at Launch? Or EQ 2?
So let's bring it back to the point. There are well over 1000+ quests for either side in Aion. that's still quite a bit for people to be complaining that there are no quests.
edit: It would appear, according to the LOTRO database under stats on the left, that LOTRO at this time has 2874 quests after all the updates and books. So say 1,696 quests were added over the 2 or so years that it has been out over say the Elyos side in Aion at launch. That's not really huge considering there were many books added and an expansion.
http://lotro.mmodb.com/quests/
I wonder how other games compare, even after all these years.
WoW is the most played MMO in the west in all of MMO history, so to me it is the bronze standard.
You have this shiny resume filled with MMOs and you fall to using WoW as a standard. There's no brains.
WoW cannot be used as a measurement, because it's the anomaly instead of normal. If you don't take my word for it, feel free to list all over 5 million subscribers MMOs there is.
If you're trying to review Aion, you have to put it into the real context which is eastern MMOs. And in that comparison it works fine.
You've already tried to belittle Aion by race count, area count, number of quests count, is the next step the level count? Or maybe facial expressions count?
This has been said too many times on these forums and it has never worked to people like you: if you don't like the game, move on and let the sleeping dogs lie.
Except you cannot prove that WoW is in fact an anomaly. Just because it is the only western MMO that has achieved such numbers doesn't mean that it is the anomaly and cannot be replicated or shouldn't be the standard. It could be that it is the only MMO to successfully have polish, decent mechanics, etc and will be replicated once MMO developers get their heads out of their asses and learn to design a decent MMO.
Name one MMO that came out after WoW that didn't have glaring issues? AOC had no endgame. WAR had a poorly designed endgame as well as poor performance and balance, LOTR had no PvP, Vanguard was bugged to hell and back, Tabula Rasa had no fun factor/draw, and the list goes on.
If I had to judge MMO's based on the "normal" mmo's I would have to say the genre is doomed and should be removed from the history books. The reason you judge MMO's based on WoW is because it did everything good(not great) and because of that a LOT of people have played it.
In business the best product for the price sells, so why in the world would you want to base standards on lesser products? AION is P2P and competing against WoW so you need to judge it against WoW. AION compared to WoW is like judging Ford Model T vs a 2009 Honda accord. Sure the model T runs, has a unique look, and gets you where your going but it is bare bones, rides rough, and takes awhile to get you there. Where as the Honda gets you there quicker, has all the bells and whistles to keep you comfortable, and is fuel efficient. Given the same price, unless you are a collector, you're going to buy the Accord.
Lol, I wonder what would happen if somebody reposted the same exact review with "Absolutely No Bullshit" and just switched all the Awful to Wonderful.
I actually think I would bet upwards of $100 that over 60% of the people agreeing with this review going onto that one to bash it, and over 60% of the people bashing this one to go onto that one to support it. The war of the haters and fanbois for every single game is exactly the same. It's the same people posting the same things giving the same responses to the same problems. It's getting a little sad guys.
But, to a point. I thought the review was pretty well done, though the OP is obviously a butthurt wishful-thinker. Not to say the rest of us aern't, but either his agenda is to push people away from a game that dissapointed him personally or he's looking to get fanboys angry. I find it very difficult to believe he did it out of the kindness of his heart.
Actually, if anybody bothered to look at his posts he's an obvious troll.
/thread
P.S: Legend was terrible.
Agreed with OP. For a game that's scored 8.7 it sucks BIG TIME.
"Everything the light touches is our kingdom" -- Mufasa
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You're absolutely right: I've never heard any higher level players complain about needing to grind EVER. Aion is a purely questing game and you will never run out of quests while you level up. I sit corrected.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Yes because you totally didnt miss the point of my post with your failed attempt of being ironical, which is acutally still explained in the short part of your quote.
I am talking about questnumbers and how WoW fanboys constantly start to use them as an argument even though they dont mean shit and do not prove anything nor do they add to the discussion, now you come up and talk about experience rewards vs required experience a whole different topic and imply I am in any way wrong or misslead.
Oh wait that was probably the point as you cant deny my point but still try to act like you countered me...
The burden of proof lies on you. Go ahead and filter out all of those quest steps if you wish, then come up with the real number of quests that WoW has, although every quest in WoW gives some experience; that isn't the case in Aion unless it's the "reward" step.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Reviews are an opinion, you can say whatever you like. If you don't agree with a statement then simply create a practical response without reverting to childish personal attacks. If you start getting all pissed off, then you turn a simple review into a flame thread.
Secondly, if you were checking out a brand new car, would you look for opinions on it from a person who knows jack squat about cars or someone who's been around a wide variety of cars most of his/her life? Some of you seem to not care who you get your advice from; but, it sounds like you could get suckered by a filibusterer pretty easily.
In the real world, [intelligent] people like to know if a person has a little experience or knowledge on a subject before they start feeding them a detailed analysis.
Use a little bit of reasoning before you start hacking the sense out of a post.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
ace review, and good on ya for handling the hecklers who didn't know how to read your review and so told you that you wrote it wrong.
have a blessed thread.
ok so let's say for argument sake that there were only 200 or so quests added since launch for 1-60 range. Do other games also release with the same 2000+ quests on either side or is your argument that Aion doesn't compare to wow? also keep in mind that some of the wow quests are race specific. So most games will have 2000+ quests per faction, side whatever your choice over the 1000+ of Aion? If that is the case then yes, it would seem that Aion fell down quite short. Or is this just a comparison of WoW? Can I then look at LOTRO and see that LOTRO had about the same amount of quests as Aion at Launch? Or EQ 2?
So let's bring it back to the point. There are well over 1000+ quests for either side in Aion. that's still quite a bit for people to be complaining that there are no quests.
edit: It would appear, according to the LOTRO database under stats on the left, that LOTRO at this time has 2874 quests after all the updates and books. So say 1,696 quests were added over the 2 or so years that it has been out over say the Elyos side in Aion at launch. That's not really huge considering there were many books added and an expansion.
http://lotro.mmodb.com/quests/
I wonder how other games compare, even after all these years.
WoW is the most played MMO in the west in all of MMO history, so to me it is the bronze standard.
You have this shiny resume filled with MMOs and you fall to using WoW as a standard. There's no brains.
WoW cannot be used as a measurement, because it's the anomaly instead of normal. If you don't take my word for it, feel free to list all over 5 million subscribers MMOs there is.
If you're trying to review Aion, you have to put it into the real context which is eastern MMOs. And in that comparison it works fine.
You've already tried to belittle Aion by race count, area count, number of quests count, is the next step the level count? Or maybe facial expressions count?
This has been said too many times on these forums and it has never worked to people like you: if you don't like the game, move on and let the sleeping dogs lie.
Except you cannot prove that WoW is in fact an anomaly.
Here is your proof
Just because it is the only western MMO that has achieved such numbers doesn't mean that it is the anomaly and cannot be replicated or shouldn't be the standard.
You can scrap the word western, because it's the only MMO ever to achieve such numbers. Can it be replicated? Only time will tell, I believe not.
It could be that it is the only MMO to successfully have polish, decent mechanics, etc and will be replicated once MMO developers get their heads out of their asses and learn to design a decent MMO.
Compare Coca Cola and Pepsi Cola. Both taste the same, are the same and are sold for equal price. Still Coca Cola sells more and is more valuable brand. The answer is the same for your statement as it is for my analogy. I don't know what it is, but maybe Pepsi Cola executives should wash their heads.
Name one MMO that came out after WoW that didn't have glaring issues? AOC had no endgame. WAR had a poorly designed endgame as well as poor performance and balance, LOTR had no PvP, Vanguard was bugged to hell and back, Tabula Rasa had no fun factor/draw, and the list goes on.
LoTRO has PvP and IMO it has a great PvP in form of PvMP. I played LoTRO for about 2 years and the last 6 months I spent in Ettenmoors playing a creep (I had 3 lvl 50 freeps, but creeps were more challenging). LoTRO would've been the one if there wasn't already a titan called WoW. AoC and WAR didn't fall to the mechanics as much as technics. They seriously underperformed technically. Can't tell about the others, so I take your word for them.
If I had to judge MMO's based on the "normal" mmo's I would have to say the genre is doomed and should be removed from the history books. The reason you judge MMO's based on WoW is because it did everything good(not great) and because of that a LOT of people have played it.
No, the genre is not doomed. It's just not for everyone. What you are saying, is that the MMORPG genre should be generalized and made for everyone. Your next paragraph explains why you say so.
In business the best product for the price sells, so why in the world would you want to base standards on lesser products? AION is P2P and competing against WoW so you need to judge it against WoW. AION compared to WoW is like judging Ford Model T vs a 2009 Honda accord. Sure the model T runs, has a unique look, and gets you where your going but it is bare bones, rides rough, and takes awhile to get you there. Where as the Honda gets you there quicker, has all the bells and whistles to keep you comfortable, and is fuel efficient. Given the same price, unless you are a collector, you're going to buy the Accord.
If you do analogies, don't go to the extreme. It just makes your analogy look ridiculous. And since you've said your opinion about WoW, maybe I'm entitled to say mine. It's not good. It is popular, no one can deny that. I have tried to play it and failed miserably after 2 hours of playing. I know, it was too little but no it's not a game for me. So much about the opinion of over 10 million subscribers.
Aion on the other hand, hooked me instantly. Go figure.
Thank you thexrated, that was exactly what I was looking for. If this is correct then it seems Moo's numbers were very inflated, that Aion was competitive with it's quest numbers though didn't have a correct balance for quest xp, according to some, and that Even LOTRO after all this time doesn't have a huge amount more.
I will answer only from my own experience in that WoW's quest appear to guide your leveling. While leveling in WoW, you tend to get a very high portion of your xp from quests. This is not the same feeling that I get from leveling in Aion.
Edit: Just read Moo's response about only the payout part giving your exp so the feeling is right.
I hate when people create these reviews that are pretty much one sided one way or the other..
and you mental midgets are like "Oh I agree!" .. this is a crap review only people who liked it were the people who left that need to feel justified.
And BTW unless your side sucks.. you get access to plenty of dungeons 33ish+ it's not 40.
You're absolutely right: I've never heard any higher level players complain about needing to grind EVER. Aion is a purely questing game and you will never run out of quests while you level up. I sit corrected.
You've never heard of a high level complaining about a grind in WoW????? really? I played WoW for 4 years and let me tell you there's tons of grinding.. Oh I remember all those super fun faction grinds..... token grinds..... gear grinds.... (cause doing MC, BWL, AQ, ZF 30+ times isn't a grind am I right????????)
Would everyone just shut the hell up about the damn quests already. I doesn't matter how many quests Aion has. MOO was correct that many people DO IN FACT run out of quests when trying to level. I have on multiple occasions. It didn't bug me to much at the start of the game but as the game progresses you have to rely on grinding/group grinding for more and more of your experience.
No one said Aion will hold your hand and SPOONFEED you levels via quests 100% of the time. You are playing the wrong game, how many times do you crybabies have to be told? This game was never meant to be like WoW, if you prefer a kiddy daycare type game go back there.
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The resume doesn't really convince me. Just because you have played all those games doesn't mean that your opinion is going to be better than someone else's?
What matters most is if you can assess what Aion is suposed to be doing and is it doing it well? Can it be compared to other games of similar type and if so how does it compare?
I've played far more games than that and would never think to put my game resume down so that others can feel that I have more to say on the subject.
Your review is ok in my opinion. Some of the things are non-issues and shouldn't have been mentioned. I mean, swimming? Really? There really is no reason to swim. As the head dev said, they aren't going to put swimming in until it actually matters. Heck, LOTRO has far more areas where one could swim and it doesn't have that.
What, you want my education too? If that's the case, then let's compare and go right to dick size while we're at it!
Xfire, aionarmory.
I don't give a shit.
Some people like to swim and almost every game on the market has swimming in one form or another. Maybe there's a reason for that?
Not swimming is a part of aion lore if you bother to look into it