Originally posted by FreddyDingo i figured this out after I played Lineage 2 for a few months, watched my friend and his parents play, and heard many many stories. I PAYED to play a Korean MMO (i played that free MMO that stole the Lineage 3 engine) once and never again. It's my personal belief that NC Soft could quite possibly be secretly be funding these gold farmers, but thats just my crazy consperiecy (i cant spell, no need to remind me) side.
Actually, according to one of my Korean friends, what NC does is this..They let the gold sellers run their business for a bit, because they are paying customers. And then, they sue them. So not only do they get huge amounts of money from them for their accounts and subscriptions, they also get a huge payoff when they sue them. I'm not sure if this is true but it's what he said.
yup, spent over 100 hours farming the mob thats supposed to drop my level 37 pet, killed over 11000 of said worgs, still no pet, log in today and the bot thats been in that area is selling it. you cant get anything you want if you dont bot it seems, cancling my sub now.
You have no way to know what "Recommended" means, do you?
Could be low pop, could be 80% of server if you consider the recommendation to be based on HEALTHY population not on free spots. Unless you got an official statement saying what every status means in terms of subscribers then don't post this crap.
What's your purpose here? What are you trying to prove anyway ? People who like it will play it, those who dont...Won't !
I just wish the game will go well so people have more options with MMOs that are at least playable with healthy populations.
Also is it just me or is it ridiculous in general that a lot of people flamed and cursed at Tabula Rasa claiming heresy before it died...but now, it's been praised here and remembered as decent AI bla bla bla "if they only added content".
You wanted the game to crash and burn then you blame NCSoft for doing that.
I've seen people say that companies are evil and not killing off their dying games just to steal our precious money yet when some company does kill a game, they're still bad guys.
Don't know just wondering what's the psychology of the average forum dweller here posting this crap :P
I played for over a month, and slowly logged in less and less over the time.
Just wasnt my kind of game I thought. Ended in just uninstalling the game tonight.
Thought it was just me, but local friends as well have all quit, same with my siblings and a large group of their friends i found out.
I cant in detail say what made me lose interest or those i know, but for me i couldnt put my finger on it other than to say, i just slowly got more and more bored and nothing was keeping me to play.
Its not just the free month is up for people, or the hype/negativity people read about, this game just bores a lot of us i guess :X
I thought it would be a good game in the start to stick with, oh well... shit happens.
The last couple of days I have logged out in prime time for the east coast and still find them all on full except one. When I checked the West coast at 7:00 pm pst there was 4 full with the rest at recommend. IMHO this is not a sign of a lot of people leaving after the free 30 days. Will have to see how it goes after the next thirty days. To all those that wish Aion to fail you will have to wait a bit longer.
So, would it be safe to say that there might be a gradual trickle off of people that rushed out and bought the game on launch day, yet there are probably still those that are buying it throughout the month, and still in *their* free month.
The reality of all this will come out in 2-3 months.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Aion is not a bad game.. granted it was released for the western customers a bit pre-maturely. Alot of issues had not been fixed like they should have, and gameguard was not in place to kill the dirty botters. And yes, its rather fucking annoying to have to clear your block list every other day because of all the gold spammers..
But if you stop and think back to alot of other MMO releases, those games all had the same problems, or similar problems.
So to play the game for the first few weeks of release, then quit because of these problems is just ignorant imo.. you must give the devs a chance to sort the problems.
There are some actual gameplay issues that annoy the shit out of me.. so much that i actually had to stop grinding my templar and make a ranger due to threat and agro management issues.
But the one thing i can say about Aion is this.. in 6+ months, once we have alot of legions fighting for their spot inside the abyss, this game is going to be epic. My legion on Azphel currently has daily pvp groups roaming around looking for elyos, and its pretty fun when you run into a full group of enemies. the classes play really well against eachother, and you can tell the devs really put some thought into pvp encounters.
As a westerner, i hate grinding.. but when i see whats in store for me once i hit level cap, its worth it.
The last couple of days I have logged out in prime time for the east coast and still find them all on full except one. When I checked the West coast at 7:00 pm pst there was 4 full with the rest at recommend. IMHO this is not a sign of a lot of people leaving after the free 30 days. Will have to see how it goes after the next thirty days. To all those that wish Aion to fail you will have to wait a bit longer.
You need to factor in the length of the queues, when they do exist. I can't vouch for the US, but In the EU they used to be serveral hours long, across all servers. Recently its not been that much of a problem to get in (if at all) and not seeing them marked as "full" is common.
I very much doubt Aion will fail, but I just can't see it remaining mainstream within the West.
Yes the servers have lost people and? The abyss is still full and where ever I go there's people. I have no problems finding a party. In fact, I am happy that some people are gone... Way easier to gather aether and to have fun!
Yeah, I agree. It is a shame though, as if they had kept the content levels up and removed the ganking mechanics it would actaully be a good mainstream game.
Yes the servers have lost people and? The abyss is still full and where ever I go there's people. I have no problems finding a party. In fact, I am happy that some people are gone... Way easier to gather aether and to have fun!
And nothing. What you state is really all that matters to those still playing. If there's enough people playing to keep it both fun for the playerbase and financially viable for the company, its not a failure. Threads like these are often founded around "mines bigger than yours" scenarios (i.e. a total ego trip, which doesn't really mean much).
We all saw this coming, but never thought this soon .
Even if a game can only hold 100k subs or so in the west it doesn't mean it's not a success. Just look at AoC/WAR still getting updates etc and both are stable on xfire. If it's not closing down it means it's making money. A game doesn't have to beat WoW to be succesful.
Aion is not a bad game.. granted it was released for the western customers a bit pre-maturely. Alot of issues had not been fixed like they should have, and gameguard was not in place to kill the dirty botters. And yes, its rather fucking annoying to have to clear your block list every other day because of all the gold spammers..
But if you stop and think back to alot of other MMO releases, those games all had the same problems, or similar problems. So to play the game for the first few weeks of release, then quit because of these problems is just ignorant imo.. you must give the devs a chance to sort the problems. There are some actual gameplay issues that annoy the shit out of me.. so much that i actually had to stop grinding my templar and make a ranger due to threat and agro management issues.
But the one thing i can say about Aion is this.. in 6+ months, once we have alot of legions fighting for their spot inside the abyss, this game is going to be epic. My legion on Azphel currently has daily pvp groups roaming around looking for elyos, and its pretty fun when you run into a full group of enemies. the classes play really well against eachother, and you can tell the devs really put some thought into pvp encounters.
As a westerner, i hate grinding.. but when i see whats in store for me once i hit level cap, its worth it.
Don't lie Hellbilly, Zalea and a few people soloing in Abyss is not a group, and IMO, someone paying to play a broken game is more ignorant than quitting due to failure to deliver a properly functioning product.
Aion is not a bad game.. granted it was released for the western customers a bit pre-maturely. Alot of issues had not been fixed like they should have, and gameguard was not in place to kill the dirty botters. And yes, its rather fucking annoying to have to clear your block list every other day because of all the gold spammers..
But if you stop and think back to alot of other MMO releases, those games all had the same problems, or similar problems. So to play the game for the first few weeks of release, then quit because of these problems is just ignorant imo.. you must give the devs a chance to sort the problems. There are some actual gameplay issues that annoy the shit out of me.. so much that i actually had to stop grinding my templar and make a ranger due to threat and agro management issues.
But the one thing i can say about Aion is this.. in 6+ months, once we have alot of legions fighting for their spot inside the abyss, this game is going to be epic. My legion on Azphel currently has daily pvp groups roaming around looking for elyos, and its pretty fun when you run into a full group of enemies. the classes play really well against eachother, and you can tell the devs really put some thought into pvp encounters.
As a westerner, i hate grinding.. but when i see whats in store for me once i hit level cap, its worth it.
Don't lie Hellbilly, Zalea and a few people soloing in Abyss is not a group, and IMO, someone paying to play a broken game is more ignorant than quitting due to failure to deliver a properly functioning product.
lol, where is he lying? Abyss is full of people and btw you can't really solo there anymore because it's full of pigeon waiting to poo all over my poor asmo gladiator.
Yeah.. its a fun game but lol not really much to keep some playing. Good pvp but for ME WAY to much like FREE2PLAY. After one year they have not done much to change that.
Exactly ! one year and they have added nothing,you know why?They have adopted a real scam of only giving you part of the game to start,then bank on selling you xpacs.They already admitted this very thing by saying they were already working on the next two expansions,this was before Aion was even released.This is the same formula they are using with Guild Wars,it may seem free but after you buy 3 xpacs to get the rest of the game,it's so not free anymore.It is not the same as adding xpacs at a later date,when you already have more content and are holding it back from the player base.
To anyone that pays attention at all,you may have also noticed Lineage..castle seige....Aion abyss..Fortress seige,so you can see they lack the creativity to expand beyond what is basically the exact same PVP idea,only they added flying.
Aion is not alone,i am noticing a real trend in all games being released,they are giving us the bare bones for content.It is so bad,that if these games remove one more piece of content,there is literally no game left,that is how weak the content is in most games released over the last 5 years.It is like the developer comes up with one idea and goes with it.Imagine if Aion removed one race?lmao,there is no game anymore,maybe a single player game.
In case of Aion i also believe NCSOFT was terrified of Aion not being a success and losing their shirt like they did with TR,so they chose to wait and see what the public would accept for the bare bones game.I believe they could easily pan off those xpacs as a new game,after all it would just be new maps,maybe a new race to up the total to an amazing 3 lol.You have to also notice they released it in Asia first,witch again confirms they were afraid of this market,and wanted to make sure the game was being released acceptable,also confirmed by their 1.05 update.
So IMO NC basically has little confidence in their own product.Also you can take this to the bank,i will NEVER play a game ,because someone tells me the customization is great ,i want a "GAME" not a makeover kit.I will also NEVER play a game with 2 races,i mean there is a post right now in the forums complaining about Alganon i think it was.They complained it only had 4 races,well that is double what Aion has lol.I played FFXI and it had 6 race,and that i considered to be the minimum i would accept.
Me and you may not see eye to eye on things here or there, but i fully agree with the "bare bone" syndrome coming from developers lately....
Its all nice looking paint over a hollow shell.... you see something that "looks" awesome but when you finally dig in, pay money, and do the same quest type over and over you see how empty it really is.
And dont get me started on the limited flying vs whats touted on the box.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
It's my personal belief that NC Soft could quite possibly be secretly be funding these gold farmers, but thats just my crazy consperiecy (i cant spell, no need to remind me) side.
That's ok. Your not the only one thinking they are profiting off the gold farmers. Mostly due to the fact that i have had farmers on my ignore list for 2 weeks, took them off, just to have them spamming to me again.
But whats more interesting is the fact that some people used the remainder of their 30 day freebie (aka they canceled) just to bot and see if they got banned even after asking people to report them while using it. Can you guess the outcome of that? Yeah.. not banned.
Let me see if i can find that link again...
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
It's my personal belief that NC Soft could quite possibly be secretly be funding these gold farmers, but thats just my crazy consperiecy (i cant spell, no need to remind me) side.
That's ok. Your not the only one thinking they are profiting off the gold farmers. Mostly due to the fact that i have had farmers on my ignore list for 2 weeks, took them off, just to have them spamming to me again.
But whats more interesting is the fact that some people used the remainder of their 30 day freebie (aka they canceled) just to bot and see if they got banned even after asking people to report them while using it. Can you guess the outcome of that? Yeah.. not banned.
Let me see if i can find that link again...
It DOES sound crazy, but in this economy, would you be surprised? Ever watch "The Shield"? Instead of trying to get rid off all th drug dealers, Vic made deals (and money from) a few who would play by his rules. Made the streets safer (in this case fewer account hacks) and got him some extra dough.
Yes the servers have lost people and? The abyss is still full and where ever I go there's people. I have no problems finding a party. In fact, I am happy that some people are gone... Way easier to gather aether and to have fun!
Yup! Most the folks leaving are the ones that play way to much anyway...Aions better off without em :-)
I am not surprised to see most of people leave the game. Because it's way too hard for average players i.e. from WoW or Warhammer. Those players pretty much can't stand any form of grinding either questing or grinding on the same mobs. Most of them can't find quests (too many of them in the guild and they are from WOW...just keep whining "Where can i find quests?" After I explain to them, they relized that they didn't even bother to just walk down the path just a little bit further or just follow the main quest line to next town.
And some from Warhammer players left very soon, because they couldn't PvP to level up and they couldn't take the death penalty. They feel that they die too fast and they can't be lvl 50 in 3 days.
So, yeah this is going to happen sooner or later.
Spot on...
You'll find any manner of lame and nonsensical excuses/reasons why these sorts of players quit. Ultimately it comes down to the fact that they have no ability or interest in the massively of mmorpg, few social skills and no interest in devloping their character and a community. They want the easy life and everything now centered around them.
2 gamesat least now in mmogs for me ...the level up and the end game. Most players want end game (or accept that is how it is) and get their heads down to level up fairly quickly. Then they look around to see whos left becasue sure as hell a large % of blabbermouths wont be there with them,becasue they gave up and we ofc just all talk.
With the volume of quitters in any mmorpg thesedays, players just dont invest in relationships with players that will probably be gone ina few days or weeks,and who can blame them.
Ill take someone quitting a mmog at endgame or if the game is genuinely broken before hand (AOC) but thats not Aion and it wasnt Warhammer either.
The mmorpg genre isnt for everyone and increasingly youll find those people here on mmorpg.com whining when really they just shouldnt bother with mmos and should find themselves another type of game to play. You ofc get the distinct feeling a lot are kids with no $$$ to pay subs/box price for more than one game.
You cant help feeling they just jumped into mmorpgs becasue so many other people did and they felt left out, becasue quite frankly they talk so much rubbish it belies any in depth knowledge of the genre or appreciation of their own psychology.
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Why they quitting? looking for better benefit packages ? more sick days?higher wages?better wor... i mean gaming conditions?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Actually, according to one of my Korean friends, what NC does is this..They let the gold sellers run their business for a bit, because they are paying customers. And then, they sue them. So not only do they get huge amounts of money from them for their accounts and subscriptions, they also get a huge payoff when they sue them. I'm not sure if this is true but it's what he said.
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yup, spent over 100 hours farming the mob thats supposed to drop my level 37 pet, killed over 11000 of said worgs, still no pet, log in today and the bot thats been in that area is selling it. you cant get anything you want if you dont bot it seems, cancling my sub now.
on the plus side if you grinded 11000 mobs you leveled. so gratz 2 you
First of all this thread is kind of pointless...
You have no way to know what "Recommended" means, do you?
Could be low pop, could be 80% of server if you consider the recommendation to be based on HEALTHY population not on free spots. Unless you got an official statement saying what every status means in terms of subscribers then don't post this crap.
What's your purpose here? What are you trying to prove anyway ? People who like it will play it, those who dont...Won't !
I just wish the game will go well so people have more options with MMOs that are at least playable with healthy populations.
Also is it just me or is it ridiculous in general that a lot of people flamed and cursed at Tabula Rasa claiming heresy before it died...but now, it's been praised here and remembered as decent AI bla bla bla "if they only added content".
You wanted the game to crash and burn then you blame NCSoft for doing that.
I've seen people say that companies are evil and not killing off their dying games just to steal our precious money yet when some company does kill a game, they're still bad guys.
Don't know just wondering what's the psychology of the average forum dweller here posting this crap :P
I played for over a month, and slowly logged in less and less over the time.
Just wasnt my kind of game I thought. Ended in just uninstalling the game tonight.
Thought it was just me, but local friends as well have all quit, same with my siblings and a large group of their friends i found out.
I cant in detail say what made me lose interest or those i know, but for me i couldnt put my finger on it other than to say, i just slowly got more and more bored and nothing was keeping me to play.
Its not just the free month is up for people, or the hype/negativity people read about, this game just bores a lot of us i guess :X
I thought it would be a good game in the start to stick with, oh well... shit happens.
Off to find a new one.
The last couple of days I have logged out in prime time for the east coast and still find them all on full except one. When I checked the West coast at 7:00 pm pst there was 4 full with the rest at recommend. IMHO this is not a sign of a lot of people leaving after the free 30 days. Will have to see how it goes after the next thirty days. To all those that wish Aion to fail you will have to wait a bit longer.
So, would it be safe to say that there might be a gradual trickle off of people that rushed out and bought the game on launch day, yet there are probably still those that are buying it throughout the month, and still in *their* free month.
The reality of all this will come out in 2-3 months.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Aion is not a bad game.. granted it was released for the western customers a bit pre-maturely. Alot of issues had not been fixed like they should have, and gameguard was not in place to kill the dirty botters. And yes, its rather fucking annoying to have to clear your block list every other day because of all the gold spammers..
But if you stop and think back to alot of other MMO releases, those games all had the same problems, or similar problems.
So to play the game for the first few weeks of release, then quit because of these problems is just ignorant imo.. you must give the devs a chance to sort the problems.
There are some actual gameplay issues that annoy the shit out of me.. so much that i actually had to stop grinding my templar and make a ranger due to threat and agro management issues.
But the one thing i can say about Aion is this.. in 6+ months, once we have alot of legions fighting for their spot inside the abyss, this game is going to be epic. My legion on Azphel currently has daily pvp groups roaming around looking for elyos, and its pretty fun when you run into a full group of enemies. the classes play really well against eachother, and you can tell the devs really put some thought into pvp encounters.
As a westerner, i hate grinding.. but when i see whats in store for me once i hit level cap, its worth it.
You need to factor in the length of the queues, when they do exist. I can't vouch for the US, but In the EU they used to be serveral hours long, across all servers. Recently its not been that much of a problem to get in (if at all) and not seeing them marked as "full" is common.
I very much doubt Aion will fail, but I just can't see it remaining mainstream within the West.
Dah, NCsoft worked out the problem...
Yes the servers have lost people and? The abyss is still full and where ever I go there's people. I have no problems finding a party. In fact, I am happy that some people are gone... Way easier to gather aether and to have fun!
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Yeah, I agree. It is a shame though, as if they had kept the content levels up and removed the ganking mechanics it would actaully be a good mainstream game.
And nothing.
What you state is really all that matters to those still playing. If there's enough people playing to keep it both fun for the playerbase and financially viable for the company, its not a failure. Threads like these are often founded around "mines bigger than yours" scenarios (i.e. a total ego trip, which doesn't really mean much).
Even if a game can only hold 100k subs or so in the west it doesn't mean it's not a success. Just look at AoC/WAR still getting updates etc and both are stable on xfire. If it's not closing down it means it's making money. A game doesn't have to beat WoW to be succesful.
lol, where is he lying? Abyss is full of people and btw you can't really solo there anymore because it's full of pigeon waiting to poo all over my poor asmo gladiator.
Sweet! Have fun with your bot-plagued game.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Exactly ! one year and they have added nothing,you know why?They have adopted a real scam of only giving you part of the game to start,then bank on selling you xpacs.They already admitted this very thing by saying they were already working on the next two expansions,this was before Aion was even released.This is the same formula they are using with Guild Wars,it may seem free but after you buy 3 xpacs to get the rest of the game,it's so not free anymore.It is not the same as adding xpacs at a later date,when you already have more content and are holding it back from the player base.
To anyone that pays attention at all,you may have also noticed Lineage..castle seige....Aion abyss..Fortress seige,so you can see they lack the creativity to expand beyond what is basically the exact same PVP idea,only they added flying.
Aion is not alone,i am noticing a real trend in all games being released,they are giving us the bare bones for content.It is so bad,that if these games remove one more piece of content,there is literally no game left,that is how weak the content is in most games released over the last 5 years.It is like the developer comes up with one idea and goes with it.Imagine if Aion removed one race?lmao,there is no game anymore,maybe a single player game.
In case of Aion i also believe NCSOFT was terrified of Aion not being a success and losing their shirt like they did with TR,so they chose to wait and see what the public would accept for the bare bones game.I believe they could easily pan off those xpacs as a new game,after all it would just be new maps,maybe a new race to up the total to an amazing 3 lol.You have to also notice they released it in Asia first,witch again confirms they were afraid of this market,and wanted to make sure the game was being released acceptable,also confirmed by their 1.05 update.
So IMO NC basically has little confidence in their own product.Also you can take this to the bank,i will NEVER play a game ,because someone tells me the customization is great ,i want a "GAME" not a makeover kit.I will also NEVER play a game with 2 races,i mean there is a post right now in the forums complaining about Alganon i think it was.They complained it only had 4 races,well that is double what Aion has lol.I played FFXI and it had 6 race,and that i considered to be the minimum i would accept.
Me and you may not see eye to eye on things here or there, but i fully agree with the "bare bone" syndrome coming from developers lately....
Its all nice looking paint over a hollow shell.... you see something that "looks" awesome but when you finally dig in, pay money, and do the same quest type over and over you see how empty it really is.
And dont get me started on the limited flying vs whats touted on the box.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
That's ok. Your not the only one thinking they are profiting off the gold farmers. Mostly due to the fact that i have had farmers on my ignore list for 2 weeks, took them off, just to have them spamming to me again.
But whats more interesting is the fact that some people used the remainder of their 30 day freebie (aka they canceled) just to bot and see if they got banned even after asking people to report them while using it. Can you guess the outcome of that? Yeah.. not banned.
Let me see if i can find that link again...
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
That's ok. Your not the only one thinking they are profiting off the gold farmers. Mostly due to the fact that i have had farmers on my ignore list for 2 weeks, took them off, just to have them spamming to me again.
But whats more interesting is the fact that some people used the remainder of their 30 day freebie (aka they canceled) just to bot and see if they got banned even after asking people to report them while using it. Can you guess the outcome of that? Yeah.. not banned.
Let me see if i can find that link again...
It DOES sound crazy, but in this economy, would you be surprised? Ever watch "The Shield"? Instead of trying to get rid off all th drug dealers, Vic made deals (and money from) a few who would play by his rules. Made the streets safer (in this case fewer account hacks) and got him some extra dough.
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
WoW....32 pages of BS LOL
Not sure what you all are talkin about but I'm lovin Aion!! A shame others gave up because its the best pvp I've experienced since DAoC. :-)
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Yup! Most the folks leaving are the ones that play way to much anyway...Aions better off without em :-)
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Server Population - Recommended? Lol hiding your low population much.
This is how all big budget new MMOs are. I think the only MMO to GAIN subs after launch recently has been Darkfall and Eve. Maybe LotRO.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Spot on...
You'll find any manner of lame and nonsensical excuses/reasons why these sorts of players quit. Ultimately it comes down to the fact that they have no ability or interest in the massively of mmorpg, few social skills and no interest in devloping their character and a community. They want the easy life and everything now centered around them.
2 gamesat least now in mmogs for me ...the level up and the end game. Most players want end game (or accept that is how it is) and get their heads down to level up fairly quickly. Then they look around to see whos left becasue sure as hell a large % of blabbermouths wont be there with them,becasue they gave up and we ofc just all talk.
With the volume of quitters in any mmorpg thesedays, players just dont invest in relationships with players that will probably be gone ina few days or weeks,and who can blame them.
Ill take someone quitting a mmog at endgame or if the game is genuinely broken before hand (AOC) but thats not Aion and it wasnt Warhammer either.
The mmorpg genre isnt for everyone and increasingly youll find those people here on mmorpg.com whining when really they just shouldnt bother with mmos and should find themselves another type of game to play. You ofc get the distinct feeling a lot are kids with no $$$ to pay subs/box price for more than one game.
You cant help feeling they just jumped into mmorpgs becasue so many other people did and they felt left out, becasue quite frankly they talk so much rubbish it belies any in depth knowledge of the genre or appreciation of their own psychology.
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