The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.
Mark my words.
in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.
Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.
Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy.... sigh...
But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.
I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience.
They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only.
They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional. All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch. That's another group of servers.
They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America. It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric.
And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is.
What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles.
Think about it. Every playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing. PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc.
NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives. It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.
I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience. They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only. They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional. All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch. That's another group of servers. They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America. It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric. And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is. What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles. Think about it. Every playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing. PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc. NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives. It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche
Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience. They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only. They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional. All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch. That's another group of servers. They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America. It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric. And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is. What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles. Think about it. Every playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing. PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc. NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives. It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche
Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
Where did ya get the 500k from? Last I heard it was 400k and dropping fast. It may retain about 150-200k here in the west, which is good. Those aren't bad numbers...
The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.
Mark my words.
in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.
Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.
Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy.... sigh...
But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.
I almost wish I hadn't uninstalled the game just so I could check in and see what the server list looks like at prime time. Which IMO prime time for NA servers in general is between 7:00pm EST and 3:00am EST. Probably splitting the difference would be a good measure of the games health, so around 11:00pm EST.
Yeah I am sure that there are a ton of people who will still play Aion. However the vast majority of MMOG players are getting the feelings of dejavu by now with Aion because it really is just the same old shtick with a slightly different skin. Just like every other game, the honeymoon period is coming to a close and the hype and newness is wearing off and people are looking forward to the next big thing...
You know what is more sad and very Ironic?
That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.
The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.
The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.
They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.
I almost wish I hadn't uninstalled the game just so I could check in and see what the server list looks like at prime time. Which IMO prime time for NA servers in general is between 7:00pm EST and 3:00am EST. Probably splitting the difference would be a good measure of the games health, so around 11:00pm EST.
Yeah I am sure that there are a ton of people who will still play Aion. However the vast majority of MMOG players are getting the feelings of dejavu by now with Aion because it really is just the same old shtick with a slightly different skin. Just like every other game, the honeymoon period is coming to a close and the hype and newness is wearing off and people are looking forward to the next big thing...
You know what is more sad and very Ironic?
That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.
The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.
The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.
They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.
QFT.
Yes Tabula Rasa was very nice, pitty the korean graphic pseudo artists who completly screwed the player toons looks and stuff like that.
They never got to implemente the mechs either.. that alone would have saved TR imo.. was a game with loads of potencial badly explored imo.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia? It probably accounts for their numbers, if so. The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.
Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.
Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia? It probably accounts for their numbers, if so. The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.
Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.
I dont think you could be more wrong even if you tried. AION has the same sub pricing model as any other major MMORPG in the asian market. Yes, wow uses the same pricing model for its Asian customers. Right after you said that, you have no credibility whatsoever...
As far as the western status of the game, my server has been reaching FULL status since release, there are no shortage of players and the game has held at #4 on xfire for over a month.
Like most of the haters here you lose by confusing the lies floating around that thing you call a head, with the facts.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
why should he give you anything ? Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there. As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street. Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.
Ok this is just my personal view after playing to lvl50, so bash me like you want I dont care. Cause ppls dont like to read wall of texts Ill make it short ^^.
No real content, controls are awful, sounds are the worst Ive ever heard, PvP sucks SO FAR alot (very boring).
Aion is the first game where I can admit, I will not play it and will always hate it.
I never tried to get into beta and will never play a free trial for it.
It just reeks with that Terribad MMO smell.
And I'll admit, I'm an Aion hater.
The only Korean MMO I'll ever like is Mabinogi, cause it's sandbox-ish and free.
Playing: World Of Warcraft Resting From: Nothing Retired: EQ2, CoH, Tabula Rasa, SWG, Warhammer, AoC Waiting For: SWTOR, APB Love(d): Tabula Rasa, SWG, World Of Warcraft, Age of Conan
Some ppl like Aion some don't, either way I say good for you! Want me to bake you a cake? Throw you a party cause you don't like a game? If you don't like Aion, then don't come and post here on these boards and bitch and moan, its simple really......I'm not an alcoholic, so I don't go to AA mettings and why? Cause I don't drink, if you don't play Aion why are you here??? God and you wonder why the MMO community has gone too shit. Go play WoW if your looking for instant gratification, if not STFU and GTFO cause no one want's to hear whinny 32 yr old men that bitch and complain cause the world doesn't revolve around them and there 60$ they spent. I burn $60 at the strip club in 30 mmmmmmk chump change..........
BTW Aion Kicks ass!!!
Pls tell me are you and ppls like you who tells others not to come to forums to tell their opinions braindead ? This is a forum for a reason, you know what the reason is ? DISCUSSION, if you dont like discussions then pls avoid forums in the future, thank you T_T.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
why should he give you anything ? Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there. As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street. Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.
Calm down.
When a user throws out a number, it's custom to back up that claim by providing proof, which is what the other user is asking for.
I think it's a combination of server increased capacity, people playing more normal hours than they used to when the game launched and a good portion of people starting to leave now that the box month is nearing over. The title of this thread is of course hilarious, since most MMOs can expect at best a 30% retention after the box month. 50% retention would have been a tremendous success, which I doubt NCsoft will achieve.
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
Originally posted by Tyvolus1 why should he give you anything ? Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there. As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street. Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.
Whoa there. I know this is the intarwebz and all, where logical thought and the rules of rational thinking don't apply, but if someone is going to cite data or state something as fact, there isn't anything wrong with asking them to provide a source for their information.
-- Whammy - a 64x64 miniRPG - RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right? - FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
I think it's a combination of server increased capacity, people playing more normal hours than they used to when the game launched and a good portion of people starting to leave now that the box month is nearing over. The title of this thread is of course hilarious, since most MMOs can expect at best a 30% retention after the box month. 50% retention would have been a tremendous success, which I doubt NCsoft will achieve.
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
I agree 100%, I know that I'm never buying another Korean mmorpg ever again. There's no point in playing a grindy game when everyone around you is cheating.
Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia? It probably accounts for their numbers, if so. The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.
Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.
I dont think you could be more wrong even if you tried. AION has the same sub pricing model as any other major MMORPG in the asian market. Yes, wow uses the same pricing model for its Asian customers. Right after you said that, you have no credibility whatsoever...
As far as the western status of the game, my server has been reaching FULL status since release, there are no shortage of players and the game has held at #4 on xfire for over a month.
Like most of the haters here you lose by confusing the lies floating around that thing you call a head, with the facts.
Lol, someone's on the defensive. It wasn't a statement it was a question. I'm just pretty sure I read Aion used a F2P model in Asia, if it doesn't then my mistake.
I also don't hate the game, although I'll openly admit in its current state I don't believe its a good one. I've been playing since CB2, or was until this week. Personnally I just got bored due to the pure lack of content and how linear it is. I wish they'd add more content, so the game's as fun as it was reaching mid level.
It may or may not be still doing well in the US, but in the EU its certainly not as strong. That could have more to do with the appauling support and the queue situation they refused to fix, while it lasted.
I saw this game being advertised on this site for some time and had absolutely no interest in it at all. I could look at it and tell it had nothing to offer that other American titles can't produce better. Korean grinders don't fly well with most American gamers, they never have due to an obvious culture clash. I tried it out per request of a friend and I thought some of the features were interesting; but, I reverted back to my previous skepticism.
I saw the game for what it was, not for what I hoped it would be.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
Aion could have been a great game. During CBTs in korea, everyone had high hopes that NCsoft was finally listening to the playerbase. But as we all know, that isn't the case. Honestly, the game hasn't progressed at all since CBT in korea, only that they added couple more instances, and supposedly the "innovative" RvRvE instance.
I played Aion in the korean Kashinelle server for half a year. The game was obviously flawed in many ways. People still played it due to high hopes that NCsoft might actually make proper patches as time progressed. As it turns out, that wasn't the case, and when they had the massive moving speed+dmg boost+attack speed boost hack issue across all the servers, NCsoft resorted by banning players who were exposing information concerning the hacks, instead of handling the matter in properly.
The hysteria that went on with the hacking issues across the servers pretty much helped make my mind about quitting the game for good.
It was at that point I realized, as much as I would like to see Aion as a promising product, NCsoft does not give a rat's ass about its' playerbase.
Pretty much all the veteran MMOers who tried Aion was hoping that NCsoft takes approaches to patches that mirror the desires of the playerbase. Unfortunately, that will never be the case with NCsoft.
Aion is or "was" a promising product, no longer an improving product in the hands of NCsoft.
Sure, when Blade and Soul comes out, I'll try it. But the fact that it will be run by a malicious company called "NCsoft", who don't give a rat's ass about its' clients as long as it earns couple BIG FAT zeros in retained earning, is one reason why I will probably never trust this company's products anymore.
Understand, GW franchise or any other such as "City of" aren't developped by NCsoft, so I might actually pay to play those games. Just...never the ones developped by this hideous company.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month? Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools? MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Honestly, the most hated MMO developing company in Korea is NCsoft, followed by Nexon, which is also referred to as Donson ( Don = money in korean, meaning Nexon is money obsessed).
I've tried being patriotic and promote NCsoft and actually like their games, but NCsoft has been an EPIC FAIL in terms of customer satisfaction and consideration.
NCsoft doesn't give shit about its' customers, period. That is the universal point of view of this company to many MMOers in Korea.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month? Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools? MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Its getting close to octo 22nd and over 50% of the server is low and recommended, its bleeding of players...... Damn i was not suprised there.
Where are your facts ? It seams to me all you ve done is come to the conclusion its 50 percent off the top of your head .
Now i m not saying everything is ok in Aion . Its got its falts and its strengths . I think Ncsoft handled the launch badly and most people i know hav nt quit they just got fed up waiting for hours to get onto a server .
The servers in europe still have ques so maybe its just North Americans that dont like it .
Back up your orginal post with a link or anyone whos got any sence will see you as what you proberbly are .
A TROLL and not a paticulary intelligent one at that .
I think it's a combination of server increased capacity, people playing more normal hours than they used to when the game launched and a good portion of people starting to leave now that the box month is nearing over. The title of this thread is of course hilarious, since most MMOs can expect at best a 30% retention after the box month. 50% retention would have been a tremendous success, which I doubt NCsoft will achieve.
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
I agree 100%, I know that I'm never buying another Korean mmorpg ever again. There's no point in playing a grindy game when everyone around you is cheating.
i figured this out after I played Lineage 2 for a few months, watched my friend and his parents play, and heard many many stories. I PAYED to play a Korean MMO (i played that free MMO that stole the Lineage 3 engine) once and never again. It's my personal belief that NC Soft could quite possibly be secretly be funding these gold farmers, but thats just my crazy consperiecy (i cant spell, no need to remind me) side.
"Well, I woke up this morning and I wasn't dead. I suppose that means it's a good day."
Comments
in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.
Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.
Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy.... sigh...
But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.
And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)
you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game
Qotsa you just got wtfpwned by your own post...dang...that's like having your arm ripped off and then getting beat down with it.
I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience.
They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only.
They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional. All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch. That's another group of servers.
They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America. It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric.
And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is.
What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles.
Think about it. Every playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing. PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc.
NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives. It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche
Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
GW2 the future of MMO gaming
Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche
Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!
Where did ya get the 500k from? Last I heard it was 400k and dropping fast. It may retain about 150-200k here in the west, which is good. Those aren't bad numbers...
in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.
Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.
Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy.... sigh...
But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.
And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)
you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game
ZOMG WTFPWNZOR....
That made my day ... lololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
You know what is more sad and very Ironic?
That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.
The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.
The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.
They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.
QFT.
You know what is more sad and very Ironic?
That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.
The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.
The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.
They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.
QFT.
Yes Tabula Rasa was very nice, pitty the korean graphic pseudo artists who completly screwed the player toons looks and stuff like that.
They never got to implemente the mechs either.. that alone would have saved TR imo.. was a game with loads of potencial badly explored imo.
Source?
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia? It probably accounts for their numbers, if so. The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.
Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.
I dont think you could be more wrong even if you tried. AION has the same sub pricing model as any other major MMORPG in the asian market. Yes, wow uses the same pricing model for its Asian customers. Right after you said that, you have no credibility whatsoever...
As far as the western status of the game, my server has been reaching FULL status since release, there are no shortage of players and the game has held at #4 on xfire for over a month.
Like most of the haters here you lose by confusing the lies floating around that thing you call a head, with the facts.
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
why should he give you anything ? Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there. As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street. Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.
Ok this is just my personal view after playing to lvl50, so bash me like you want I dont care. Cause ppls dont like to read wall of texts Ill make it short ^^.
No real content, controls are awful, sounds are the worst Ive ever heard, PvP sucks SO FAR alot (very boring).
Aion is the first game where I can admit, I will not play it and will always hate it.
I never tried to get into beta and will never play a free trial for it.
It just reeks with that Terribad MMO smell.
And I'll admit, I'm an Aion hater.
The only Korean MMO I'll ever like is Mabinogi, cause it's sandbox-ish and free.
Playing: World Of Warcraft
Resting From: Nothing
Retired: EQ2, CoH, Tabula Rasa, SWG, Warhammer, AoC
Waiting For: SWTOR, APB
Love(d): Tabula Rasa, SWG, World Of Warcraft, Age of Conan
Pls tell me are you and ppls like you who tells others not to come to forums to tell their opinions braindead ? This is a forum for a reason, you know what the reason is ? DISCUSSION, if you dont like discussions then pls avoid forums in the future, thank you T_T.
Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind. I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last. But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.
why should he give you anything ? Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there. As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street. Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.
Calm down.
When a user throws out a number, it's custom to back up that claim by providing proof, which is what the other user is asking for.
Step back and take a deep breath.
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
Whoa there. I know this is the intarwebz and all, where logical thought and the rules of rational thinking don't apply, but if someone is going to cite data or state something as fact, there isn't anything wrong with asking them to provide a source for their information.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
I agree 100%, I know that I'm never buying another Korean mmorpg ever again. There's no point in playing a grindy game when everyone around you is cheating.
I dont think you could be more wrong even if you tried. AION has the same sub pricing model as any other major MMORPG in the asian market. Yes, wow uses the same pricing model for its Asian customers. Right after you said that, you have no credibility whatsoever...
As far as the western status of the game, my server has been reaching FULL status since release, there are no shortage of players and the game has held at #4 on xfire for over a month.
Like most of the haters here you lose by confusing the lies floating around that thing you call a head, with the facts.
Lol, someone's on the defensive. It wasn't a statement it was a question. I'm just pretty sure I read Aion used a F2P model in Asia, if it doesn't then my mistake.
I also don't hate the game, although I'll openly admit in its current state I don't believe its a good one. I've been playing since CB2, or was until this week. Personnally I just got bored due to the pure lack of content and how linear it is. I wish they'd add more content, so the game's as fun as it was reaching mid level.
It may or may not be still doing well in the US, but in the EU its certainly not as strong. That could have more to do with the appauling support and the queue situation they refused to fix, while it lasted.
I saw this game being advertised on this site for some time and had absolutely no interest in it at all. I could look at it and tell it had nothing to offer that other American titles can't produce better. Korean grinders don't fly well with most American gamers, they never have due to an obvious culture clash. I tried it out per request of a friend and I thought some of the features were interesting; but, I reverted back to my previous skepticism.
I saw the game for what it was, not for what I hoped it would be.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
Aion could have been a great game. During CBTs in korea, everyone had high hopes that NCsoft was finally listening to the playerbase. But as we all know, that isn't the case. Honestly, the game hasn't progressed at all since CBT in korea, only that they added couple more instances, and supposedly the "innovative" RvRvE instance.
I played Aion in the korean Kashinelle server for half a year. The game was obviously flawed in many ways. People still played it due to high hopes that NCsoft might actually make proper patches as time progressed. As it turns out, that wasn't the case, and when they had the massive moving speed+dmg boost+attack speed boost hack issue across all the servers, NCsoft resorted by banning players who were exposing information concerning the hacks, instead of handling the matter in properly.
The hysteria that went on with the hacking issues across the servers pretty much helped make my mind about quitting the game for good.
It was at that point I realized, as much as I would like to see Aion as a promising product, NCsoft does not give a rat's ass about its' playerbase.
Pretty much all the veteran MMOers who tried Aion was hoping that NCsoft takes approaches to patches that mirror the desires of the playerbase. Unfortunately, that will never be the case with NCsoft.
Aion is or "was" a promising product, no longer an improving product in the hands of NCsoft.
Sure, when Blade and Soul comes out, I'll try it. But the fact that it will be run by a malicious company called "NCsoft", who don't give a rat's ass about its' clients as long as it earns couple BIG FAT zeros in retained earning, is one reason why I will probably never trust this company's products anymore.
Understand, GW franchise or any other such as "City of" aren't developped by NCsoft, so I might actually pay to play those games. Just...never the ones developped by this hideous company.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Honestly, the most hated MMO developing company in Korea is NCsoft, followed by Nexon, which is also referred to as Donson ( Don = money in korean, meaning Nexon is money obsessed).
I've tried being patriotic and promote NCsoft and actually like their games, but NCsoft has been an EPIC FAIL in terms of customer satisfaction and consideration.
NCsoft doesn't give shit about its' customers, period. That is the universal point of view of this company to many MMOers in Korea.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Where are your facts ? It seams to me all you ve done is come to the conclusion its 50 percent off the top of your head .
Now i m not saying everything is ok in Aion . Its got its falts and its strengths . I think Ncsoft handled the launch badly and most people i know hav nt quit they just got fed up waiting for hours to get onto a server .
The servers in europe still have ques so maybe its just North Americans that dont like it .
Back up your orginal post with a link or anyone whos got any sence will see you as what you proberbly are .
A TROLL and not a paticulary intelligent one at that .
If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.
The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.
People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.
With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.
If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.
Cheers
^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out. The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play.
I agree 100%, I know that I'm never buying another Korean mmorpg ever again. There's no point in playing a grindy game when everyone around you is cheating.
i figured this out after I played Lineage 2 for a few months, watched my friend and his parents play, and heard many many stories. I PAYED to play a Korean MMO (i played that free MMO that stole the Lineage 3 engine) once and never again. It's my personal belief that NC Soft could quite possibly be secretly be funding these gold farmers, but thats just my crazy consperiecy (i cant spell, no need to remind me) side.
"Well, I woke up this morning and I wasn't dead. I suppose that means it's a good day."