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  • RallycartRallycart Member UncommonPosts: 717
    Originally posted by Voomek


    That makes sense.
    However, is the 9600 GT really THAT outdated? I didn't think it was, because I could run WoW at about 35 and sometimes up to 60 fps on full graphics. I ran PvP fine.
    And as for Aion, I beleive it IS a 64-bit game.
    Also, what I want to know, is how come my friend doesn't have a graphics card as nice as mine, but has a nicer processor, and can run Aion full blast? That's what doesn't make your guys' logic make sense. My graphics card, if it works like my friends, should be fine. Explanation?

     

    It depends on what background programs you are running, which drivers you are running, if they are from the same generation, and from the same type (nVidia and AtI run better or worse for certain games). Simply stating that his is worse, and he is better is difficult to say. Also, if his "worse" card is an 8800gt for example, that card is actually better than yours. Even though it is a generation behind.

    And yes, the 9600gt is pretty outdated. Not REALLY bad, I mean, it is still good, but 9800 or equivilent seems to be the norm these days.

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    His is a nVidia 8500 GT.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,321


    Originally posted by Voomek
    How about this one?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227161

    Spending 870$ on rig to play a game from 2004...

    Since you don't listen to any given advice here, I am out too.

    Good luck with your purchase.

  • noquarternoquarter Member Posts: 1,170

    So are you comfortable with building the computer yourself?

    If your mobo is an AM2+ mobo you are ok with the 9600GT you could simply drop in a Phenom II X4 955 for $200. It seems a waste to me to buy a whole new PC. The 9600GT is sort of a trouble part because it's good enough to not toss but weak enough to justify an upgrade to a 4890 or GTX275 which is why there's some back and forth going on.


    My advice would be: Drop in the Phenom II now, wait till late Sept to see what happens with the 5870, then upgrade the video card as well if Aion is having any trouble.

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Gdemami


     

    Originally posted by Voomek

    How about this one?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227161

     

    Spending 870$ on rig to play a game from 2004...

    Since you don't listen to any given advice here, I am out too.

    Good luck with your purchase.



     

    Uh...

    I'm not looking to play WoW. I'm looking to play Aion...

    And no. I'm not comfortable with making my own computer. I want to purchase a pre-made.

  • noquarternoquarter Member Posts: 1,170

    In that case I thought the one you linked was a solid build.

  • CalgarGTXCalgarGTX Member Posts: 27

    Problem is that right now the only worthy CPU families to buy are corei7 nehalem or c2d wolfdale , the first one offers great performance and long term capabilities but is probably too expansive and will stay that way until AMD learns how to make a CPU , and the second one might begin to show limits depending on how game engines evolve but for Aion anything starting with E8xx is overkill already .

    In both case you have to change motherboard and RAM (buying ddr2 in 2009 is a crime imo) and HDD (for the record HDD is what slows down a computer the most , theres no point in using an old 5400rpm or 7200rpm in a new computer) so pretty much a whole computer anyway so you might aswell build one that can run every game on the market (and as shown above it IS possible for around 800$ noadaways which sure wasn't the case in the past)

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    Which one of these builds is better?

    iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction

    [$49 - 25% OFF = $36] Basic - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System Reduce System Noise

    Processor

    Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8600 (2x 3.33GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)

    Processor Cooling

    INTEL Certified Liquid CPU Cooling System kit

    Memory

    4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR2-1066 PC2 8500 Memory Module Corsair Dominator

    Video Card

    NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ – 1GB Single Card

    Motherboard

    [SLI] Asus P5N-D -- Nvidia nForce 750i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, Dual PCI-E MB EPU Technology

    Power Supply

    550 Watt -- Power Supply

    Master Hard Drive

    500 GB HARD DRIVE [16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s]

    Optical Drive

    22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black

    Sound Card

    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE

    Network Card

    Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

    Operating System

    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit

    Monitor

    17" TFT LCD Monitor Black

    Speaker System

    iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System

    Power Protection

    Opti-UPS SS1200-AVR Mighty Voltage Regulator

    Video Card Brand

    === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Card Powered by NVIDIA

    Or...

    iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction

    [$49 - 25% OFF = $36] Basic - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System-Reduce System Noise

    Processor

    Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8600 (2x 3.33GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)

    Processor Cooling

    INTEL Certified Liquid CPU Cooling System kit

    Memory

    4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module-Corsair or Major Brand

    Video Card

    ATI Radeon HD 4890 - 1GB-Single Card

    Video Card Brand

    Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA

    Motherboard

    Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3LR -- Intel P45 Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, PCI-E MB

    Power Supply

    550 Watt -- Power Supply

    Master Hard Drive

    500 GB HARD DRIVE-[16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s]

    Optical Drive

    22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black

    Sound Card

    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE

    Network Card

    Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

    Operating System

    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) -64-Bit

    Monitor

    17" TFT LCD Monitor-Black

    Speaker System

    iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System

    Power Protection

    Opti-UPS SS1200-AVR Mighty Voltage Regulator



     

  • shalldoomshalldoom Member UncommonPosts: 106


    Originally posted by Voomek
    Which one of these builds is better?
    iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction
    [$49 - 25% OFF = $36] Basic - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System Reduce System Noise
    Processor
    Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8600 (2x 3.33GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
    Processor Cooling
    INTEL Certified Liquid CPU Cooling System kit
    Memory
    4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR2-1066 PC2 8500 Memory Module Corsair Dominator
    Video Card
    NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ – 1GB Single Card
    Motherboard
    [SLI] Asus P5N-D -- Nvidia nForce 750i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, Dual PCI-E MB EPU Technology
    Power Supply
    550 Watt -- Power Supply
    Master Hard Drive
    500 GB HARD DRIVE [16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s]
    Optical Drive
    22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE
    Network Card
    Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
    Operating System
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit
    Monitor
    17" TFT LCD Monitor Black
    Speaker System
    iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System
    Power Protection
    Opti-UPS SS1200-AVR Mighty Voltage Regulator
    Video Card Brand
    === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Card Powered by NVIDIA
    Or...
    iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction
    [$49 - 25% OFF = $36] Basic - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System-Reduce System Noise
    Processor
    Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8600 (2x 3.33GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
    Processor Cooling
    INTEL Certified Liquid CPU Cooling System kit
    Memory
    4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module-Corsair or Major Brand
    Video Card
    ATI Radeon HD 4890 - 1GB-Single Card
    Video Card Brand
    Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3LR -- Intel P45 Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, PCI-E MB
    Power Supply
    550 Watt -- Power Supply
    Master Hard Drive
    500 GB HARD DRIVE-[16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s]
    Optical Drive
    22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE
    Network Card
    Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
    Operating System
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) -64-Bit
    Monitor
    17" TFT LCD Monitor-Black
    Speaker System
    iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System
    Power Protection
    Opti-UPS SS1200-AVR Mighty Voltage Regulator 

    I would go for that last PC, it has a better Graphic card. every thing else is almost the same for both PC's.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Originally posted by Voomek


    So for christmas my parents are spotting me a bit of cash, and I'm saving up for the rest. Overall, I can spend about eight hundred dollars on the computer, just the tower, that is.
    The ONLY thing I'm looking for is a good processor. I've got an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core, and I want an upgrade from that. I've got a Nvidia Ge-Force 9600 GT, so I'm set for the graphics card.
    What would be a computer in my price range with a powerful processor?

    ok your question is vague ,first is 9600 gt after 8800gt or its the agp type card if its an express,i would put 4 gig of ram if you havent , thats it nothing else. im using that as a computer works great  not a lot of game can oom that computer ok eq2 can lol.

    one suggestion i got ,if you keep that comp and just add ram to 4 gig ,please go to AMD website

    and patch the processor ,yes its all automatic ,the problem is amd had made a patch avail in the past but it was buggy and they made a new one avail this year and it makes wonder .if you like the change just pay me a beer when i pass at the space station(grin)

  • jessewvjessewv Member Posts: 6

    my 2cp....dont buy a new machine if it doesn't have at least a quad core and ddr3 support. Also get at least a 700w power supply and make sure your motherboard has SLI or crossfire support....the nicer machine you get now the longer it'll be before you need another and the better your 3d effects will look

    Where are we going??? Why are we in this handbasket??

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    I definately DON'T need a quad core. I've looked at so many websites... a more powerful dual core will perform better than a less powerful quad core. And on the website, there is only a 3.0 ghz quad core, and a 3.33 ghz dual core.

    With that second rig, will I be able to run Aion full blast, in raids and PvP?

  • RallycartRallycart Member UncommonPosts: 717
    Originally posted by Voomek


    I definately DON'T need a quad core. I've looked at so many websites... a more powerful dual core will perform better than a less powerful quad core. And on the website, there is only a 3.0 ghz quad core, and a 3.33 ghz dual core.
    With that second rig, will I be able to run Aion full blast, in raids and PvP?

     

    His point was to get a motherboard that could be upgraded with a quad core, not necisarrily that you needed to get a quad, or at least that is how I read it. Also, the ghz of a processor is not a clear indicator of processing power, as AMD has proven for years. Anyway, with todays games, a quad core will almost always be worse off than a dual core, because games do not take advantage of the four cores. However, the future will change this.

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    Well, I focus on Aion. So between an AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE or an Intel Core 2 Duo E8600, which would you choose?

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,297

    The AMD 965BE is a better processor.  It doesn't overclock as well, but at stock its better and in multi-core applications its better.

    This will probably get over your head so to sum up this next section.  Buy only a Phenom II or Core i7.  There is no benefit of DDR3 over DDR2 unless your motherboard supports triple channel memory.  Only the LGA1366 socket uses triple channel memory, not even the upcoming LGA1156 socket will have triple channel.  Its gonna have dual channel just like the AM3 boards.  Ultimately, the Core 2 line is outdated.  Intel deemed it 6 months ago with the release of Core i7 and upcoming release of the Core i5.  The competition has also surpassed the performance on the Core 2 line.  Considering how technology moves, getting a Core 2 isn't a good investment.

    Onto your computer.  Don't bother even looking for one now.  You won't have the money until December, and in that time things will significantly change.  Also don't bother listening to people saying get a 700w PSU and SLI board.  Its unnecessary.  Most games don't support it, it will just be a money and power sink.  Getting a 700w PSU costs $120, getting a 550w PSU costs $50.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,321


    Originally posted by Voomek
     
    Uh...
    I'm not looking to play WoW. I'm looking to play Aion...
    And no. I'm not comfortable with making my own computer. I want to purchase a pre-made.

    Aion's engine is from 2004.
  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    If you did any research on it, you'd notice that it's incredibly overhauled, almost not looking like the old engine.

    Alright, so are there any processors that are coming out near that time? And also, are you saying the AMD is the way to go, as is DDR2?

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,297

    Im saying Core 2 is not the way to go.  Inbetween now and then, the Core i5 processors are released which is Intel's mid-range parts.  Right now in the low and midrange, AMD dominates.  It may change before then.  Also parts will drop in costs.  Like I said earlier in this topic, you should be looking at getting a Core i7 machine because your budget allows for it.

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    Well looking at the speed of each processor, an i7 doesn't give me enough power as the BE AMD does... I'm getting a custom iBUYPOWER computer. The AMD is much cheaper, and the ghz is higher.

  • nerfednerfed Member Posts: 7

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218744

    decent building guide.

     

    btw some direct x 11 compatible video cards should be out in a couple months.

  • RallycartRallycart Member UncommonPosts: 717
    Originally posted by Voomek


    Well looking at the speed of each processor, an i7 doesn't give me enough power as the BE AMD does... I'm getting a custom iBUYPOWER computer. The AMD is much cheaper, and the ghz is higher.

     

    As I had said earlier, the GHZ means nothing. Well, ok, it means something, but simply looking at the Ghz does not tell you anything. Clock cycles, cache, and type of caching also count for a lot. And the i7's are at the top right now.

  • nerfednerfed Member Posts: 7

    look at the 3d mark scores. (scroll down a bit for cpu's)

    www.yougamers.com/hardware/stats/3dmark06/priceandperformance/

     

    buying pieces yourself is a lot cheaper than using a custom site like iBUYPOWER.

    Personally I would go with a AMD Phenom II X4 955 because it overclocks better and has cheaper motherboard prices.

  • VoomekVoomek Member Posts: 55

    Well I know it doesn't mean everything, but I'm not going to be multi-tasking.

    And I'm not going to build my own, I just don't want to deal with it really.

    So should I just wait a few months?

  • nerfednerfed Member Posts: 7

    ideally you could buy the processor, motherboard, etc now and use your old video card then buy a dx 11 card when they come out but if you are buying it pre built then a card like 4890 or better will run aion easy.

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