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A New Trend in MMORPG's?
Malianea
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I just finished reading this on EQ2: http://www.gamergod.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=103 and wonder if anyone else sees this as a good thing or a bad thing? I do not like the idea of there being RL haves and have nots in a game like this. I can easily see this becoming a growing trend if its successful for SOE.
What do you guys think? Can it become a problem or am i just overreacting before I've had any coffee?
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1) Get coffee.
2) Verbally abuse your mate.
3) re-read with a now adjusted mind set
LOL I am not to concerned about paying extra for features. Still cheaper than some web sites for their content on a game, like Allakazam <sp?>
I personal don't mind them, but some people might think that it is spoiling the game a littel bit right? i mean weres the fun is creating a charater if you have it all maped out, what iteam you gonna get and what skills you are going to have.
And who really needs to who all that detiealed info about a charater?
Waste of Money
Please have some coffee . . . this is a great feature!
If you read carefully, you'll notice that there is no required charges, the service is free with your subscription to Everquest II. There are additional services that require additional fees, but that is optional.
I can't tell you how many times I've gone into a mmorpg, met lots of great players, wanted to organize a guild, but never did because I have no skills in web-relaited stuff. This solves my problem, for free, and with many cool features including being able to customize the website!
The only caution I would have is 1) All information should be In-game, character-related. NO personal Real Life info should make it up onto these web pages unless someone wishes to do that. We all give our info to SOE when we register to play, I don't want to see any of that on my guildpage offered by SOE.
And 2) I would look carefully at what is offered for free and what has a charge. The article says it is a free service, with additional fees for certain things.
This is exciting news about EQ2 and I think it is a great thing.
Of course, I can say this with ease because I already had my coffee.
They could add some of those features for free (ala camelot herald in DAOC), but instead they charge every player individually for the "exclusive content".
Just another ruse by SOE to suck money out of the players. They probably will make another $200,000 per month or more off of this. And a lot of it is stuff that they could give for free.
Now don't get me wrong: The giving a free web page to every guild is definitely a cool thing to do.
But charging to see the stats of most kills and stuff like that, is utter nonsense.
Even charging for the item database is nonsense. All that they probably have to do is create a webpage which accesses the item database in the game and displays all of the items. Is that really something which is deserving of another $125,000 per month or however much they'll make off of it?
Bastard SOE.
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It's obvious that you have a predisposition towards SOE, so I won't argue this much.
They are giving something for free. Of course we all know it is not really for free, we pay monthly to play games like these, and something like guild webpages is just something more we are getting for our money.
The extra fees for stats and other things are not necessary, they are bonuses. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't. It won't effect your playing the game. Nobody is making it a mandatory thing.
I am amused when a company, especially SOE, goes out and does something like this and there always is negative feedback.
For all of you SOE haters out there, just pretend none of this happened and they didn't really offer these webpages for subscribers. Then you can go and complain about the normal stuff we always hear about SOE.
Sorry but I am just so tired of it, same thing with Microsoft. They are the enemy, blood sucking parasites, money hungry bastards . . . whatever. Don't use Windows then, use Linux or something. And if you are so against SOE, then play World of Warcraft or something else. Again nobody if forcing anybody to spend their money on SOE, they do it because they like what they are getting.
Re-read the article. It is about nothing.
1. They will charge roughly 2.oo per month. (I know it says.. 99 cents heheh.) Anyone who plays a MMORPG and can't afford an extra 2.oo per month should not be playing in the first place - they should be saving their money for necessities LOL!
2. This is only concerning EQ2 guilds. Guilds will have the option of having Sony host their guild site with bells and whistles. How does this impact all the players?
At most it means there will be more guilds. It will promote many smaller guilds. Which is a good thing. And yes, Sony will make even more free and easy money for a service that is already given free all over the internet.
What kind of saddens me is Sony will make it so guilds who want their own site will NOT have to learn any programming skills. IMHO in the long run that is not a good thing. It would be nice if, from the necessitiy of wanting a guild site, more gamers, and players, learned how programming works. Which would give them a better understanding of computers, and even computer games.
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Malianea,
BTW, if you want a better idea of a game, of a MMORPG that truly has haves and have nots based on Real Life haves and have nots.... check out Race War Kingdoms. Players use real life money to get in game items. It is mandatory that players use real life money if they want to reach end game.
Last, all MMORPGs have had haves and have nots. But they have always been a minority. The EQ players with 2 accounts. Then the ones with 4. Then the ones with 8 accounts. Other MMORPGs also have real life "rich" players who buy multiple accounts without making a dent in their wallets and purses. Along with in game items.
All I'm saying is that this illustrates SOE's stance towards the players, which is to milk them for all their worth, while thinking of them only as a cash source to be manipulated.
I'm talking about the motive of SOE. A company's motive in regard to why they make games can greatly affect the quality of the gaming experience. SWG is a perfect example of this. Utterly broken game, with the players hating the game maker, because of the way that the maker treats the players.
This is in stark constrast to companies which treat the playerbase as people, and have the motive of wanting to make a good, quality game, rather than just trying to make as much money as they possibly can.
SOE's choice to charge a fee for something that they could give for very low cost, and which the players would definitely want (and which, in today's level of MMOG functionality, should simply be part of the normal fee) simply is an indicator of this motive.
That's all I'm saying. SOE is not the players friends, neither will they ever be.
I'm betting that EQ2 will release buggy as all get out, and incomplete. Simply because SOE's greed is getting too strong, they see that they have a product which they can use to get some quick cash from unsuspecting people, and so they'll put it out, whether it's a complete game or not.
History repeats itself.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
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1. its added features, bonus unnecessary material generated in a ttempt to prevent the 3rd party programmers form adding it in. these options are not vital to ur gameplay.
2. if ya like em, pay for em. if not u are not missing out
3. its not enough money to even whine aout! hoolies! its less than 1 penny a day!!!
next subject LMAO
A lot of nice, free features they are providing in the web services. More than any other MMORPG I've seen. DAoC and AO had very little information like this.
Charging more for enhanced services... so what? They could have just raised the monthly subscription by $2.99 for all players and forced everyone to "take it."
Nothing at all wrong with SOE making money on this or anything else.
Hoolies???
LMAO!
That's exactly my point. $2.99 is WAY to much for how much it would cost them to have these features in for everyone. It probably costs them about $.25 per player to implement these features at the very most.
Some of the features are in DAOC's camelot herald, which was realeased 3 years ago. And they're there as a free service.
Current MMOGs have a lot more functionality than past MMOGs... these aren't things which cost SOE anything, in comparison to how much they're charging.
They're increasing the price that you pay per month by something like 20%, for services that cost them very little.
Yes I do hate SOE, but it's because they've earned that hate, over the years. This particular instance of the way that they've done things doesn't seem like much to some, but if you look at everything that they've done over the life of their company, you can see that they are not worth the time to play thier games.
If EQ2 ends up like SWG, they will no doubt lose what little credibility they have left.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
The topic involves the very things I've been talking about. I don't plan on playing EQ2, never have.
As far as "going away and punishing them with my absence", I think you're referring to this board, in an indirect sort of way. Well, this board is for people who like MMOGs, not people who like SOE.
Really, I think it's just an argument which will always be devisive and will always show the differences in people.
Some people dont' mind being taken advantage of, others do. Those who do and who can see that they are being taken advantage of by SOE any time they play one of their games, will seek their fun elsewhere.
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Let me just finish this off by saying that I'm not a bad guy, I don't like to call people idiots or anything like that, or to tell them that they're worse than anyone else.. I think everyone's equal.
But SOE Really tweaks me, and makes me feel like I have to make everyone else see them as I've been able to see them from my experience with them. With that, I'll end this series of posts, because it's not going anywhere.
The quote I've added to my sig says it all.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
Share with friends if it gets to expensive. But if it's reasonable in price then just buy it.
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Cool.. SOE just gets me worked up and I feel like I have to go on a rampage about them.. The free websites is a nice thing to do, it doesn't make sense for me to discount that.
Maybe they'll get it together with EQ2 who knows.. but SWG really soured me on them.
Anyway, you guys 1, me 0 on this argument. But I still think SOE is a bad company.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
/agrees with Thinman
Not trying to argue any points here or anything, I myself have tasted the fruits of SOE's labor and have found that they leave a sour aftertaste in my mouth. Good for them that they are providing a... service... to the people who play their game and want such things. Sorry though, it only increases my revulsion for them and so I will take my business elsewhere where I can feel like I'm not paying someone to abuse me.
Thanks for all the replies everyone.
After thinking about your thoughts, my views have changed. Much ado about nothing
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