Hype post discussion about CoS

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Unfortunately, the 'Hype' comment system in MMORPG leaves no easy way to discuss someone's  review of a game. However, we can at least rebut or discuss negative hype reviews in this thread. Often their negative review is simply a misunderstanding of the game since they are interpreting the short description of the game. We acknowledge that there are also those people who just aren't going to like this kind of game no matter what we say or build. We can't change some of their minds, but we do hope we can at least answer some of their questions or enlighten some of those with the wrong impression of Citadel of Sorcery.

So let's get started by beginning with the latest 'hype' post by Falendor. Here is his comment as posted in Hype, I quote:

Maybe its just how the stuff is shown in the article but i really dont see how this is any diffrent from any other "story based" MMO, and an instance is still and instance even if you call it a "reflected world"

First off, before I comment on Falendor's suppositions I'd like to say that there is nothing wrong with the other MMOs I may use in comparison. They are simply different, and my comparisons have to do with pointing out those differences, not in saying what is better or worse.

With that said, Falendor states: "i really dont see how this is any diffrent from any other 'story based' MMO".  The problem is that he doesn't give any examples of which MMO he is comparing. If Falendor would like to post a reply in this thread and give me an example of an MMO and what he considers one of their better quests, I'd love to compare that to show him the differences that set Citadel of Sorcery apart from those games. However, in case Falendor chooses not to reply, and since he states 'any other story based' MMO', let's pick one. How about LOTRO? That's certainly a game based on one of the greatest stories ever written. In LOTRO they have an Epic Storyline, which I found to be one of the more interesting parts of the game. At various points in the game you are allowed to progress that epic storyline with a small quest. Let's take one of those quests and do a little comparison with a quest from CoS. Because I don't want to write a novel here, I'm going to try to be brief with descriptions from both.

In LOTRO's epic quest, at one point you are sent to rescue a guy who is held captive. You are given a bit of story to explain why you need to save the guy. Then you are transported to an instance of a small area just outside the wall of a bandit camp. You have a temporary companion who MUST survive the quest or you 'fail'. The quest consists of opening the gate and getting into a battle around a camp fire. Once over, and assuming you kept your NPC buddy alive, you move forward twenty feet and fight another set of bad guys. Again, if you win and keep you guy alive, you move twenty feet forward to another battle. You repeat this until you reach the end with your guy still alive. Should you fail, you may start over from the beginning and try again. Nothing changes, it is completely linear. You do the same thing in the same sequence over and over until you get to the end of the linear quest with your NPC guy alive. End of Quest.

Now, I'm going to describe a similar segment of a quest from CoS. The only problem here is that unlike LOTRO, this wouldn't be a quest, it is too little, to insignificant. But that's OK, let's take a look at this as if it was a quest in CoS anyway just to see the difference in how the game play works.



An NPC comes to you and tells you that a captive inside a bandit compound has information you need about a secret plot to kill the king. First difference from LOTRO, you can choose NOT to rescue this guy and get the information, it's up to you. But let's say you choose to rescue the guy, the NPC offers to come with you, again you decide if you want him to come along or not. I mean, he might be a liability, or he might be too important to risk, or he might be a spy or traitor. Clues you got earlier may help you make that decision, but it's up to you.

But... let's again assume you choose to let him accompany you into the bandit camp (so that we follow the ONLY choice you get in LOTRO). In LOTRO, your only option is to open the gate and get attacked by the bandits. In CoS you decide how you want to get to the prisoner. Do you want to make a frontal assault on the gate? You can if you want, but you can come up with a better plan than that, can't you? How about luring some of them out of the compound first and ambushing them to cut down the odds? Or how about climbing over the wall and trying to hit them with surprise? Or what about putting on a disguise and trying to fool them? Hmm, there are more things I might try, but this is enough to get the point across, which is, YOU pick how you want to accomplish your mission.

Now, let's say no matter what option you choose you somehow get into a fight, (it's one possibility), If your NPC buddy dies... he dies. The story goes on. We NEVER go back and make you repeat a quest portion over again. Like real life, you make your choices, roll the dice and live with the outcome. The Quest and your story goes on, and the repercussions of that NPC dying have to be dealt with, quests aren't linear.

But there is more... while in the bandit camp trying to get to the prisoner you spot an old enemy who seems to be working with these bandits. You ran into this guy on another quest, and he made a deal with you, and then screwed you and stole the treasure. You have a few seconds to make a decision, if you are in disguise, he might recognize you and point you out to the bandits. Do you want to try to stay away from him? Or, do you want to try to kill him when no one is looking and hide his body behind some crates?



Or, if you are in a battle with the bandits and he spots you, you might see him dash off to get the prisoner before you can get to him first. The point being that this is a personal enemy of yours, one that any other player wouldn't know, and one that is out to screw you, or get to the goal before you do. He is unique to your adventure, part of your personal story, not another player's. In LOTRO every player goes through the same story with the same NPCs. It's linear Pass or Fail. In CoS every player goes through the quest in their own way, making choices that change the quest, and there is no pass or fail, what happens on this quest will continue your story, no matter what the outcome.



I hope that explains just some of the difference between CoS and other story based MMOs that you may have played. There is more, but this enough to point out that CoS IS different from any other story based MMO that we have played.

Falendor's second point is, and I quote,

" an instance is still and instance even if you call it a 'reflected world'"

True, well, sort of, I mean, that's the same as saying a boat is still a boat, even if you call it an Aircraft Carrier. That's basically true, but our Reflected Worlds are Aircraft Carriers compared to row boats in other MMOs, so are they the same?



Again, Falendor didn't give any examples of other MMOs to use as a comparison, so I'll just pick a few big ones, how about WoW, EQ2 and LOTRO? In the above 'story' comparison to LOTRO I described a quest that takes place in an 'instance' of their world. This instance is the same type of instance used in the other two MMOs I just mentioned. It is a small area where a group of players is temporarily transported to complete some linear or other short piece of game play.



Now let's compare that with what we call a 'Reflected World'. There is a reason we choose to name it differently. Part of that reason is because of our Universe mythos, but let's ignore that part for the moment and look at just the mechanics. When you enter a Reflected World you are entering the ENTIRE full planet, not a little segment of that world. Every NPC, every adventure, every quest, every mission, everything is there for you to play. You could choose to stay in that Reflected World and adventure for as long as you stay online. Everything is there, and even more importantly, that world knows about you and your history, your friends, allies, personal enemies, hostile cults, etc. Everything you have done in the past is reflected in this world. If you screwed with the Thieves guild in one town on another quest, they will remember you when you show up, worse, they may have assassins out in the world setting traps for you or hunting you down. Everything about this full Reflected World it set to be your personal playground, your personal story, your continuing adventure. This is not just some repetitive instance that is the same for every player. It is an Aircraft Carrier compared to a row boat of other MMO games, they are both boats, yes ,but there really is no comparison.

Having said all that, I'd still love to discuss this further with you Falendor if you would like to supply examples of games that you believe are similar to Citadel of Sorcery we can take a look and see if you can prove your point. We haven't found them, but maybe you have played MMOs that we haven't. Let us know, give detailed examples of their story driven quest or instance system and let's compare the difference. I'm willing if you are; love to hear from you.

 

Falendor

Hi,

My Hype post was mainly based on the article i read on this site, and i admit making my judment about a game from just one article is probly not the way to go.

So what i was trying to say was that there are alot of games out there that claim to be story based as in almost all of them its almost as over used as talking about how huge you game world is.  from what i have read so far they support there claim of a story based game by saying that they are using new technologys in there game engine and the mirrored worlds instancing, i would just like to see more details about just how defrent the mirrored worlds are from eachother.

Sorry i did not read all of your post i have a -10 save against the wall of text spell.

Falendor

Ok so read some more on this forum.  If i get the idea of what a RW is then they should be something like this:  

1) there is basicly one world that all the players share and can quest in, but each player has his own copy of the world with personalized quests in it that he can drag his friends along into.

2) and the reason for this i assume is to make it easer to make a story line that feels customized for that player (No one yealling anyone els doing the kill arch nemessis quest too? in global chat).

So basicly my consern is that when im in the big shared world will i still meet peaple who have gone on the same quests as me (killed my arch nemesses) or are you planing on having sooo mutch game modulatet to mix in sooo many ways that no two characters will ever have gone on the same (major) quest spratly?

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Originally posted by Falendor

So basicly my consern is that when im in the big shared world will i still meet peaple who have gone on the same quests as me (killed my arch nemesses) or are you planing on having sooo mutch game modulatet to mix in sooo many ways that no two characters will ever have gone on the same (major) quest spratly?

Hmm, several answers here... first off, yes... you can meet people who have sort of gone on the same quest as you.  Sort of because each quest is customized to each player's story to the point where they are so different that you may or may not even recognize the same quest.   No one could possibly write a quest walk-through that would tell you what to do where correctly, since your version will be radically different.  It is based off your past history and the choices you make during the quest.  The permutations on all the variables in our quests make them nearly limitless in variety.

Next... you mentioned 'killed my arch nemesis', which isn't possible.  Your arch nemesis belongs to you, as in, that NPC was created for your story, placed into the world for you, and will ONLY be dealing with you on your quests.  He or she is uniquely generated for you and used in your quests (unless you kill him, of course).  But don't worry, if you do kill him, I'm sure you will make new enemies down the road.   Other players have their own personal allies and enemies in their story.   The point is, you are correct, no two characters will ever go through the same exact quests in Citadel of Sorcery.

Falendor

Very Cool You guys at MMO Magic have picked a very ambitions project hear I hope you can get it to work.  If you just added some hard core PvP this would really really be my type of game (in the running for my PvE game now thought).

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 Thanks Falendor.  It is ambitious, but if it was easy, everyone would do it.  

Meanwhile, though CoS is not a typical PVP MMO game, we are also not a typical PVE game.  We plan a new type of MMO game, and we do hope the type of dangerous world we are creating with people hunting you, wars, traitors, spies, evil cults, group strategy A.I. and more will still give you the intense combat situations you are seeking.  Give CoS a try when it comes out, maybe we'll make you a believer.  

DkLadyKitara

Thank you very much for such an informative post Jatar. As per normal, CoS developers are keeping those of us 'chomping at the bit' waiting for it, informed on what it will be like..

Cheers

 

 

Isane

Originally posted by Jatar


 Thanks Falendor.  It is ambitious, but if it was easy, everyone would do it.  
Meanwhile, though CoS is not a typical PVP MMO game, we are also not a typical PVE game.  We plan a new type of MMO game, and we do hope the type of dangerous world we are creating with people hunting you, wars, traitors, spies, evil cults, group strategy A.I. and more will still give you the intense combat situations you are seeking.  Give CoS a try when it comes out, maybe we'll make you a believer.  

 

Just to add or ask another question, is it the case that actually the mirrored world is the same world but a flag is set and you can only see people within your story, and that your charachter is really just made up of humdreds of factions which generate story and if you are with other players the these factions get combined to generate common story.

Is it the case that hunting with other players you could inherit one of their enemies or would that be too complicated?

 

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Just to add or ask another question, is it the case that actually the mirrored world is the same world but a flag is set and you can only see people within your story, and that your charachter is really just made up of humdreds of factions which generate story and if you are with other players the these factions get combined to generate common story.
Is it the case that hunting with other players you could inherit one of their enemies or would that be too complicated?
 

Ah... no.   (though  untwisting your question was mind boggling.)  We're not really going to get into the details of 'how' we create story and interaction with NPCs across time.  It's too much to explain, and not something we really want to talk about anyway.  The answer I will give you is that we just track a LOT of information about who, what, where, when and why you did things wherever you go, and use that information in the game and quest generation system.

The answer to your second question is 'yes', there are some instances where traveling together with other players will cause you to make NPC friends or enemies you might not have made otherwise.  The old 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc.' holds true in CoS. 

The system in CoS behind this NPC interaction is very complex, and a very important part of our game design.  The mechanics of it are unimportant to the player as it would just confuse people to try to understand how it is done.  However, when actually playing the game it is very simple to understand.  Do bad things to NPCs, make enemiles, do good things for NPCS make friends.

Enemies very in what they do to a player, but the worst ones may actually try to thwart you in all of your adventures, Quests and Missions.  They might set traps for you, or attempt to steal whatever it is you're after.  They might join your current adversaries, or blow your disguise.  Generally, they are a pain in the ass as any good nemesis should be in a story. 

The good news is, like most elements of CoS, interaction with your enemies is not liniar scripted, meaning, you CAN stop them from doing you dirty, and even kill them (perminently).  What you do about your enemies is up to you.  NPC allies can also help you get out of some dire spots, or give you important information when you could really use it, etc.

Hope that explains a little more.

Isane

Originally posted by Jatar


Just to add or ask another question, is it the case that actually the mirrored world is the same world but a flag is set and you can only see people within your story, and that your charachter is really just made up of humdreds of factions which generate story and if you are with other players the these factions get combined to generate common story.
Is it the case that hunting with other players you could inherit one of their enemies or would that be too complicated?
 

Ah... no.   (though  untwisting your question was mind boggling.)  We're not really going to get into the details of 'how' we create story and interaction with NPCs across time.  It's too much to explain, and not something we really want to talk about anyway.  The answer I will give you is that we just track a LOT of information about who, what, where, when and why you did things wherever you go, and use that information in the game and quest generation system.

The answer to your second question is 'yes', there are some instances where traveling together with other players will cause you to make NPC friends or enemies you might not have made otherwise.  The old 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc.' holds true in CoS. 

The system in CoS behind this NPC interaction is very complex, and a very important part of our game design.  The mechanics of it are unimportant to the player as it would just confuse people to try to understand how it is done.  However, when actually playing the game it is very simple to understand.  Do bad things to NPCs, make enemiles, do good things for NPCS make friends.

Enemies very in what they do to a player, but the worst ones may actually try to thwart you in all of your adventures, Quests and Missions.  They might set traps for you, or attempt to steal whatever it is you're after.  They might join your current adversaries, or blow your disguise.  Generally, they are a pain in the ass as any good nemesis should be in a story. 

The good news is, like most elements of CoS, interaction with your enemies is not liniar scripted, meaning, you CAN stop them from doing you dirty, and even kill them (perminently).  What you do about your enemies is up to you.  NPC allies can also help you get out of some dire spots, or give you important information when you could really use it, etc.

Hope that explains a little more.

 

No thats great like the sounds of this lots of factions and variety and auto generated content can only be fun, just hope theres a years worth of play or more before the game is won and you start again.

I know players don't need to know the complexities or mechanics behind the game just that some of us are sadists and like complexity.

 

skipeth

I'm sure that some of the vast amount of information stored on a player includes what amounts to your standing with a LOT of factions. Current games that reveal faction and have tasks that give you a known +/- faction and faction based rewards means that you get suckered into a faction grind. You Sadists may like faction grinding but I'd rather play to have fun.

Isane

Originally posted by skipeth


I'm sure that some of the vast amount of information stored on a player includes what amounts to your standing with a LOT of factions. Current games that reveal faction and have tasks that give you a known +/- faction and faction based rewards means that you get suckered into a faction grind. You Sadists may like faction grinding but I'd rather play to have fun.

 

It's transparent did you not understand... shame.

DkLadyKitara

I don't care either way

I just want the game out ...

 

Isane

Originally posted by DkLadyKitara


I don't care either way
I just want the game out ...
 

I agree concept here sounds great , a game to enjoy.

skipeth

reposted since the html tags got screwed up somehow

skipeth

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by skipeth


I'm sure that some of the vast amount of information stored on a player includes what amounts to your standing with a LOT of factions. Current games that reveal faction and have tasks that give you a known +/- faction and faction based rewards means that you get suckered into a faction grind. You Sadists may like faction grinding but I'd rather play to have fun.

 

It's transparent did you not understand... shame.

Um, yes I did. Did you not understand my post which supports transparency by supplying a counter-example of what you get by revealing faction information?

 

Isane

Originally posted by skipeth

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by skipeth


I'm sure that some of the vast amount of information stored on a player includes what amounts to your standing with a LOT of factions. Current games that reveal faction and have tasks that give you a known +/- faction and faction based rewards means that you get suckered into a faction grind. You Sadists may like faction grinding but I'd rather play to have fun.

 

It's transparent did you not understand... shame.

Um, yes I did. Did you not understand my post which supports transparency by supplying a counter-example of what you get by revealing faction information?

 

For some reason thread hasn't updated....... I can't see any changes you have made no biggie.

sharif

Man This is one game. i'm really really really hoping to play!!!!  

Maelkor

So correct me If I am wrong Jatar but the way I am reading the reflected world concept is that the reflected world is basically like one big single player rpg that you can drag your friends into(from the main world) tailored to your character to reflect your characters choices. When other players enter your instance and possible when you enter their instance you can have some of their stories or your stories impinge on each others Reflected world and even have consequences to your world even if they never enter your reflected world again(maybe their computer blew up). There will still be a normal world with normal pve and areas where the MMO aspect takes over.

I would make the comparison perhaps to Guild Wars. In guild wars you have the towns in which all the people in the game can see and talk to each other which are then connected to a single player/group type instance which you do with up to one group of people. Since it is an instance it can be tailored to be challenging specifically to you. Obviously CoS will be a much more complicated version of this as you say with your choices affecting the internals of that instance and what happens inside.

Of course for me the holy grail would be to put that system into the actual MMO part of the world(IE no special instancing) which is I think way beyond our current technology capabilities but something worth reaching for. I see this game if it succeeds and does what I think it will do will be a good stepping stone to that end unlike any of the current games which I think have mainly taken steps backwards and not forwards.

Jatar

Originally posted by Maelkor


So correct me If I am wrong Jatar but the way I am reading the reflected world concept is that the reflected world is basically like one big single player rpg that you can drag your friends into(from the main world) tailored to your character to reflect your characters choices. When other players enter your instance and possible when you enter their instance you can have some of their stories or your stories impinge on each others Reflected world and even have consequences to your world even if they never enter your reflected world again(maybe their computer blew up). There will still be a normal world with normal pve and areas where the MMO aspect takes over.
I would make the comparison perhaps to Guild Wars. In guild wars you have the towns in which all the people in the game can see and talk to each other which are then connected to a single player/group type instance which you do with up to one group of people. Since it is an instance it can be tailored to be challenging specifically to you. Obviously CoS will be a much more complicated version of this as you say with your choices affecting the internals of that instance and what happens inside.
Of course for me the holy grail would be to put that system into the actual MMO part of the world(IE no special instancing) which is I think way beyond our current technology capabilities but something worth reaching for. I see this game if it succeeds and does what I think it will do will be a good stepping stone to that end unlike any of the current games which I think have mainly taken steps backwards and not forwards.

Yes, generally you are correct. I would just add that a more complicated version of Guild Wars is an understatement and might bring the wrong picture to players. That's the danger with trying to do comparisons to other games when talking about Citadel of Sorcery. Even comparing us to single player RPGs is dangerous. They are generally linear type adventures that are the same for every player. Sure, some have a few choices and simple branches, but still, every player basically does the same thing. They do this because there is no need to make it different since players are not playing together.

CoS is truly a new kind of game. It certainly has a few aspects from other games, but it is so different that comparisons don't work. This is a non-linear world that changes every day. It is an entire world, and each persons adventures are unique. It is a place where you have personal friends and enemies. Cults and organizations that are after you (not some other player). Where your actions may change the course of the world (for all players). It is a world that knows your history in the game, and what you have done will color what will happen in the future. This is not Guild Wars, or some derivative of that game or any other MMO. It is not a single player RPG where you can invite in some friends.

Jon Wood recently wrote an article here on MMORPG about the five MMOs doing it differently. Unfortunately, he did not mention Citadel of Sorcery. This is just more proof that even the writers at MMORPG have no idea what a different game we are creating. It has NOTHING to do with how other fantasy MMOs have played in the past. In fact it has little to do with how any game has been designed in the past. The very idea that this is a living world where time moves on, that the game customizes the experience to every player, that quests are like living through a novel, that NPCs have lives and that some of them are plotting against you... and much more, makes this a unique experience. Sometimes we feel like we're beating our head against the wall, or trying to explain color to a person born blind. I'll just say it again, CoS is a new kind of game, and comparing it to any other kind of game is misleading.

But, removing some of your comparisons... what you said is generally correct, though there are a lot of pertinent details that you don't have yet (which is not your fault). There are some parts of this game system that we aren't releasing yet, but even so, with just what we have released... people should start to understand that we didn't improve on the current concepts of a fantasy MMO, we rewrote the book from scratch.

 

 

Jatar

Since we are in the Hype post discussion, I'd like to address something that Disco34 posted about CoS in the hype.  First, let me quote what he wrote:

Disco34 writes:

It is going to need to totally redo all of its graphics if it wants to have a serious chance. People generally want more than just a good idea.

 

Everybody is welcome to their opinion, and from what he wrote, Disco34 is interested in graphics in a game,  Good for him.  But in reply it is important to know a few facts about the CoS development.  The screenshots you are seeing are about two years old.  The only reason we even posted them was that MMORPG required us to have screenshots before they would list the game.  You'll notice that there haven't really been any new shots posted (other than what MMORPG yanked off the net, we didn't give them the new shots).  But even those shots are from the same basic time period. 

And though we might agree with Disco34 that a good idea is not enough... we say, that a good idea is the most important part.  And that is how we have attacked the making of this new kind of MMO.  We concepted the game, wrote the design, built the technology and all without worrying about the graphics.  Why?  Because a game does not need graphics to be good.  This is not to say that we won't be devoting time and effort into making CoS look as good as possible, it's just that it is not important to us at this time.  It is the LAST thing we will do.  There are lots of reasons for this.  Probably the most important reason is that graphic cards and technology change quickly, and this game has a long development cycle planned.  If we ran out and made shiny graphics in 2008, by the time we wanted to release the game we would have to redo them all.   We'll do the graphic improvements last, thank you, and stick with making our good idea in the meantime.

So why show the game so early and be forced to show prototype screenshots and get people like Disco34 complaining?  Well, sometimes you need to take the good with the bad, as long as the good outweighs the bad.  Our game needed exposure, and early on.  We needed to get the name out there so that people would start talking about it.  We have writen our own story for the game instead of some licensed tie in like Lotr or Star Trek.  This means we don't have the advantage of people already recognizing our name.  This means we need to spend more time getting the name of the game out there, and thus, release information earlier than normal. 

When will the next official screenshots be released?  Unknown, and not for awhile still.  Be patient, we're busy turning our good idea into a reality.  Oh, and as for getting our name out there, type Citadel of Sorcery into Google and see how many hits you get.  Even comments like Disco34's help us more than hurt us, as long as people notice the game, we're happy.  We just want to start that little snowball rolling down the hill. 

Jatar

in the Hype of MMORPG LynxJSA decided to tell everyone his opinion that we are, "hobbyists that call themselves developers".   He could have just asked instead of posting in a place where we can't easily respond.

But I'll answer his unasked question anyway.   We are a small developer.  This means (currently) around 20 people.  However, small does not mean inexperienced, nor does it in any way mean hobbyist.  Many of us have worked for multiple game companies and shipped many titles to market.  I got a good laugh at a meeting this morning when I jokingly called the team members present 'hobbyists" when the combined experience in the game industry sitting at that small meeting was over 100 years.

Kyleran

Originally posted by Jatar


in the Hype of MMORPG LynxJSA decided to tell everyone his opinion that we are, "hobbyists that call themselves developers".   He could have just asked instead of posting in a place where we can't easily respond.
But I'll answer his unasked question anyway.   We are a small developer.  This means (currently) around 20 people.  However, small does not mean inexperienced, nor does it in any way mean hobbyist.  Many of us have worked for multiple game companies and shipped many titles to market.  I got a good laugh at a meeting this morning when I jokingly called the team members present 'hobbyists" when the combined experience in the game industry sitting at that small meeting was over 100 years.

Care to share what MMORPG's the team members have worked on in their past?

I ask because of your response in my grouping thread, trying to figure out what your lineage is that has formulated your design thinking.

 

lawnmowerman

   This is one of those games I check in on once in awhile, and am always like"oh man, sounds pretty good, whens it come out?'....realize it is gonna still be a long while, then sort of forget about it.

 

   This thread definitely clicked my interest up a notch or 2.

 

   One thing that seems to not be getting adressed(unless I missed it, my research has been half assed at best) is If I have my own adventure going on...and you have your own adventure going on, what reason do I have to want anything to do with you? I guess my main concern right now is how fun is a world where everyone is doing their own thing, with no need to interact.  The world sounds interesting, and I love the way you broke down the way your quests work...but honestly it sounds like a game I would enjoy if it was just a single player offline game. What makes it an mMorpg?

 

Kyleran

Originally posted by lawnmowerman


   This is one of those games I check in on once in awhile, and am always like"oh man, sounds pretty good, whens it come out?'....realize it is gonna still be a long while, then sort of forget about it.
 
   This thread definitely clicked my interest up a notch or 2.
 
   One thing that seems to not be getting adressed(unless I missed it, my research has been half assed at best) is If I have my own adventure going on...and you have your own adventure going on, what reason do I have to want anything to do with you? I guess my main concern right now is how fun is a world where everyone is doing their own thing, with no need to interact.  The world sounds interesting, and I love the way you broke down the way your quests work...but honestly it sounds like a game I would enjoy if it was just a single player offline game. What makes it an mMorpg?
 

heh....you just summarized in one paragraph what it took me a couple of text walls to say in another post.

Why would people want to group in this game? Does sound like an amazing solo adventure though.

 

lawnmowerman

 /heads off to find that other thread...