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skydragonren
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Well, this has been long over due for a while now, so I thought someone should dig into it. It might as well be me.
Last night I was waiting for my wife to land in Nagrand when I get a tell, "Hey could you come heal us for Durn please!".
Being the nice little paladin that I am, I told them "Sure!"
The leader sends me an invite and surprise surprise 1, 2, 3, 4, Death Knights.
I almost left the party out of disgustment for the DK class and those who play them in general. I didn't however and flew over and soloed Durn.
This happens a Ton on my server. Join a party just to find its 1,2,3,4, Death Knights. I decided to find out just how MANY death knights were being played across my server.
I play on Archimonde PvP server. The ratio for DK vs All other classes.
Archimonde PvP Server - 80 Level characters
DK = 19% Horde
DK = 21% Alliance
This means that almost a quarter of the server on both factions are DK players, and a whopping 40%, that is almost half the population of our server are level 80 Death Knights. This is absurd.
So I decided to go a step further for your viewing pleasure and here is the break down of all the servers across wow.
Alliance Players 4,262,221 - 55%
Horde Players 3,467,585 - 45%
Alright so there are more alliance than there are horde, no news there. Let's continue.
Alliance Horde
Draenei 719,498 (9%) BloodElf 1,262,580 (16%)
Dwarf 405,599 (5%) Undead 710,138 (9%)
Gnome 427,245 (6%) Tauren 497,094 (6%)
Human 1,438,204 (17%) Tauren 661,593 (9%)
NightElf 1,271,675 (17%) Troll 336,180 (4%)
Would appear trolls and dwarves are very uncool to play, but that isn't what we are after let's keep going.
Class Alliance Horde Total
Death knight(18%) 715,295 652,026 1,367,321 (almost 20% of every server are DK's)
Druid(9%) 416,624 287,614 704,238
Hunter(13%) 552,628 423,318 975,946
Mage(9%) 403,054 315,162 718,216
Paladin(12%) 524,904 386,592 911,496
Priest(8%) 331,945 269,424 601,369
Rogue(8%) 331,808 286,573 618,381
Shaman(7%) 253,107 258,979 512,086
Warlock(8%) 293,398 287,250 580,648
Warrior(10%) 439,458 300,647 740,105
Some servers will vary in the population of DK's, however DK's are a bane of this game now, throwing diversity right out the f****ing window and personally making me hate players that I might have once considered playing with but now detest just because they have "Death Knight" next to their names.
Now I fully expect all the DK playing "irleet" crowd to come in here and defend why they play a DK. I don't really care, the stats say all that needs to be said. I was hoping that the flavor of the month class would eventually die down, and most of who started one would migrate back to normal classes and keep the game diverse. However we are way into WotLK now, and no signs of this stopping anytime soon. Give it another few months and we will have 75% of all server being played by the DK Class. Which will for lack of a better word.... suck ass.
Just know I didn't make this thread to bash the player, just the class.
Comments
I find it funny that you care what other people play.
Math is hard isn't it?
19% of one faction + 21% of another = 40%!!!!!!!!!
Wowcensus is a very inaccurate tool to use for something like this. Not enough people use it anymore and those that do are only going to run into high level players.
DK's are popular for alts due to their starting level, flexability and ease of leveling. As far as mains go however, I would guess they are on the lower end. I doubt they come anywhere close to the number of druids/paladins/hunters being played as main characters.
I'm curious as to why this matters to you? You can play the class of your choice therefore expect others to do the same. The mechanics of the DK are different than any other class and after all of these years change has been welcomed.
You seem to care about diversity but why does this matter? There will always be other classes around besides DKs and I fail to see what you deem a lack of diversity has to do with you or your gaming style. It seems to me that if you dont like DKs thats fine but if you cant be happy for others that have found a class they like to play you could at least accept it and move on. Its not like you have a choice in the matter.
Not everyone thinks like you do. In fact, if you think about it, for every DK that is made and played, there is another important class that just lost some competition and has become even more important in the scheme of things. One mans DK is another mans gain in both prestige and desirability.
Also, its been mentioned that the next hero class will also take off much like the DK has. Expect that to happen too. What will you do then?
Long as the next hero class can heal with every spec just like DK can tank with every spec, i'm a happy customer.
OP is full of it though. DKs will not be 75% of the WoW population, if anything they are on the decline. Everyone made a DK just to check out the quest line if nothing else. I don't know that many people who play one as their main, and the vast majority of the ones I run into these days are lvl 58 and wearing the same quest reward gear.
You should have only counted level 80 characters, almost everyone at this point as rolled a DK because its really easy and they wanted to check out the starter zones. (I'm assuming the larger number charts are not only 80's)
Not everyone liked it and stays on that character.
If you narrow your parameters to only lvl 80s you will find that the percentage of death knights is smaller in relation.
Also considering that most people who have a death knight at 80 also have another class at 80 too is not taken into account.
Yes DK's are kinda common, but I've had trouble finding them before. If you really want to complain about an over played class, start with Paladin, it has more played than DK's on every server I've ran census on. (Specifically level 80s only)
(Also keep in mind that the census program only counts characters that it polls while someone is running it, so unlike rogue and all the other classes that people tried out before the census program was in exsistance DK is really new, so everyone gave it a try.)
How many of those level 80s are not even played any more?
I have a few friends who got a DK to 80 and retired it in anger.
Edit: Also keep in mind DK is being heavily nerfed, how do you think this will effect its populairity? (I predict negatively)
Right on brother!!
I am in a BIG guild and we can have as many as 18 dks on at a time.
I am also the kind that likes to help! Oh need that quest np. Need that drop np. Oh your a DK, go F yourself.
I am bored playing my main so I went to an old lock I have on another server. Now I am not bragging but I am pretty good at pvp. I have experience AND moves. But at 65 my lock gets PWNED by DKs 80% of the time. Try to play in 60 Av and see what happens. DK HELL!
It's driving me from the game.
C'mon Aion!
Oh I agree as of now there is an unbalance with DK, they're pretty strong against every class PVP, but they're also being heavily nerfed.
I'm hoping enough to make some of the flavor of the month people leave the class and go back to their other toons.
ok new class since release ofc people will play it.
People have been saying this since DK's came out... and who cares really, people like to play the op classes at the time. Ive seen groups with nothing but rogues, groups with a crap ton of hunters, etc. etc. It happens.
19% of one faction plus 21% of the other faction does not equal 40% of the server. You are adding a percent off 100% (horde) to a percent of another 100% (alliance) so it's 40% of 200%.... or, 20%. learn2math.
As for it being 20% it is of no suprise given that every single DK by defininition is a form of alt since you have to have a high level toon to make one. The odds that they are all active and max level is slim.
Just because you saw a bunch doesn't mean it is always that way. You are a small sample set.
I no longer play WoW, but I did go through the WoTLK content barring Ulduar and yeah, I made an orc DK to check out the class and have fun with it. I also ran a Druid and a Shaman which I got to 80 with (each) so I understand the flip side of grouping as a healer with PuG's.
Yes, there were a tremendous amount of DK's on my server. Your describing a healer being whispered to join a group only to find that it's full of DK's wasn't a rare thing for me either. But honest, there's no reason to take off from the group if you get one like that. Instance running in Wrath is easy mode.
Now, if your four DK's were all named with something like "Arthazz, Dethklok, Bludknite, Lulzfrost, Hannamontanna, Yahtzee", or heaven forbid, a gnome named Puffystuff or a tauren named Taintedbeef... Oh holy hell drop that group and continue play guilt free. In fact, being the only healer that a bunch of DK's could get to reply to a PuG whisper made me pretty selective and snobby in telling groups "Sure, I'll head on over once you kick Bungcrazy out. Pass me leader and I'll get someone with a brain."
I was just thinking the same. And also for OP, neither 19% nor 21% is almost a quarter!!1! Its almost a fifth. But plz go on...
The big majority of DK players don't get past outland. Many even just make another DK toon just to do the opening quests. At level 80 the DK population isn't that big. Many raiding guilds even have a lack of proper DK tanks and some even lack DK DPS.
This is why many, including myself, feel the DK class needs a lil nerf.. I have a 80 DK and she is OP.. I slice and dice thru quest mobs like a hot knife thru butter and have virtually no down time.. I love being blood spec'd.. I do believe your numbers are correct too.. Each time I do WG, DK's are the largest class in numbers.. I personally, along with others, hope that the next expansion will NOT raise the bar and add yet another hero class.. Lets add some new races, starting classes and content from level 1- 60 or 70..
Once I hit level 80 on my Priest, I created a DK just to see what they are about. I knew a lot of people who created them as alts. It would also be reasonable to see a disproportionate amount in Outlands since that is just about where they start leveling. I suppose, if people could only have one character per server, I could see this being more of an issue. As it stands, i have one of just about every class (including DK) who I occasionally mess around on, however, I generally log in and play my priest. So, my DK would show up on that list even though it is not my primary character right?
That said, sure, there are a lot of DKs. Just like hunters (or any class really), there are people who can play the class and people who can't. I think the real crime is the sheer number of Blood Elves running around!
Overall, I think the DK fits Blizzard's apparent strategy of making grouping easier/more flexible. You now have a class that is attractive to many people and who can DPS and Tank. As a result, it *should* be easier to get an instance group going. Ease of grouping and quality of group being different things of course.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Here's what i find funny about all this.
When I'm on my DK i don't get hate tells.
When I'm on my Hunter i get spammed invites for instances.
When I'm on my Retribution Paladins (and here's the kicker) I get spammed with hate no matter what i say. It's a sea of bigotry in wow when playing a Paladin.
Well that's what i found.
I agree with you OP. Everything you say is right. this game is garbage. I am so discusted with everyone being DK's. The only reason 90% of the population plays DK's is because they are flat out OP and feel like they are actually good at pvp?. Please half of these twits couldn't win a 1v1 if their lifes depended on it.
mmorpg's flop faster then mcdonalds cheese burgers these days.
I have never lost a 1v1 with DK on my Holy paladin. Regardless of spec they cannot kill me. That is besides the point. In a BG I am not fighting one but at least 8.
I have not been inside of an EotS or Strand battle in the last month that didn't have a minimum of 8 DK's on the opposing side.
My numbers for Archimonde are 19% level 80 MAIN played DK's. Not alt level 56's.
The numbers for ALL DK's on archimonde is much much higher. 19% is what is played full time on my server by level 80 DK's.
Sorry for the math, it was a long work day and my brain was fried.
Anyway, my point is that DK is not a FoM class like we thought it would be, HUGE numbers of players even bad ones are getting DK's to 80 and making them their mains. Which is over populating wow with a class that is ridiculous OP most of which are retarded players.
Also, it is true they may be nerfing frost, but they are buffing blood. Now we are going to have unstoppable killing machines in PvP with ridiculous survivability and no way of stopping them.
It's a lose lose situation.
A lot of those DK's are alts. Let me repeat that A LOT of those Dk's are alts. Most of my guildies having taken on the rest of what WOTLK has to offer have rolled DK alts. It's very enticing seeing as how you start at 55. Makes it a great alt opportunity for wow vet's. I have an 80 DK (alt, my mains is still and always will be mage :P). Don't play him that much other than the occasional heroic or taking on some old raid content (solo usually). It can be a really fun class.
As far as the distinction in levels. It's really easy to level a DK I did it in a week or so whilst still raiding on my mage.
They have been through a lot of nerfs as well. I don't think they are quite as "unstoppable" as you think. I kill plenty of them on my mage (it also helps, as you also stated, a lot of them are terrible players).
So you agree with him and say everything he said is right even after some of his points have been questioned and his math been declared faulty? Um, that makes little to no sense whatsoever.
You are so determined to call WOW garbage, it would be nice for you to elaborate.
Math is only faulty depending on how you look at it.
I look at a server as 1 server comprised of 100% of players.
I do not split Alliance and Horde as if they were 2 seperate entities inside 1 space.
For argument sake we will say a server holds 5000 players, which we can all pretty much agree that number is higher for wow servers.
When I look at the 5000 number for a server, that is my 100% in my mind.
I do not say 2500 Alliance = 100% and 2500 Horde = 100% both = 200%
That logic is kinda retarded to me. Specially since the Alliance always outnumber the Horde so that actual numbers would look more like 3000 Alliance and 2000 Horde. This would skew the 200% logic.
There is only 1 server shared by both factions at a capacity in this example of 5000. 5000 = 100%
SOOOOOO.....
If 19% of the Horde play DK
and 21%of Alliance play DK
That is 40% of 5000 players playing the DK class.
I really hate when people try to make other people look dumb, when they do not know what the hell they are talking about themselves.
PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.
I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.
We are on a DK Strike.
+1
Sadly, it's a disease that is spreading amongst mmo players.
So you agree with him and say everything he said is right even after some of his points have been questioned and his math been declared faulty? Um, that makes little to no sense whatsoever.
You are so determined to call WOW garbage, it would be nice for you to elaborate.
Math is only faulty depending on how you look at it.
I look at a server as 1 server comprised of 100% of players.
I do not split Alliance and Horde as if they were 2 seperate entities inside 1 space.
For argument sake we will say a server holds 5000 players, which we can all pretty much agree that number is higher for wow servers.
When I look at the 5000 number for a server, that is my 100% in my mind.
I do not say 2500 Alliance = 100% and 2500 Horde = 100% both = 200%
That logic is kinda retarded to me. Specially since the Alliance always outnumber the Horde so that actual numbers would look more like 3000 Alliance and 2000 Horde. This would skew the 200% logic.
There is only 1 server shared by both factions at a capacity in this example of 5000. 5000 = 100%
SOOOOOO.....
If 19% of the Horde play DK
and 21%of Alliance play DK
That is 40% of 5000 players playing the DK class.
I really hate when people try to make other people look dumb, when they do not know what the hell they are talking about themselves.
PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.
I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.
We are on a DK Strike.
Sorry that is bad math. You took a percentage of a whole (Alliance) and a percentage of another whole (Horde) and added the two percentages together to get 40%. What you failed to do is consider that you are dealing with TWO 100%'s so that 40% becomes 20% of the total.
You also didn't account for any alts nor did you account for characters that haven't been played in a while. You just took the total number of DK's on a server. I wonder how many are still level 55 or not even 60 yet but you still counted them. You made mention that it is level 80s on your server but your other data says nothing about level 80s.
That is the fallacy in your numbers. You try to use the number itself to prove your point but it does not work because you do not know the intent of use for that character. For example, I have a low level Hunter just to try the class. I played it to 20 and don't like it. However, it is now a name placement holder for when I want to try another class.
Going by your math, I would be counted if you were debating hunters and not DK's.
So you need to really go in and count only 80s and look at the gear and when they were last played. Then you would get a better idea of how many DK's there are really.
In addition to that, Warcraft realms (which I am sure you used) is badly out of date and using data from it is the worst place to get the information.
You also do not concede that the class is the newest class and will be played the most.
You act as if everyone, everywhere plays a DK and we all know that isn't true at all. As I, and others mentioned, the numbers of DK's being played is dropping across the board and will drop even moreso after patch 3.2.
But what is the point of arguing? Your last post shows how immature you are about the issue. You basically said that your hatred of DK's takes precedence over winning in a BG or succeeding in a raid. If you are a healer, your job and duty is to heal and personally, if I was the guild leader or the raid leader and found out that someone wasn't healing ANYONE on the raid just because they think the class sucks, I would kick that person from my guild or raid.
And the funny thing is, you talk as if DK's are everywhere, so going by your statements, you won't be healing like 50%-60% of that BG or raid then? Have fun wiping.
#1
For the last time for archimonde, it is 19% Horde and 21% Alliance MAIN LEVEL 80 PLAYED EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK RATIO ON DK'S IN FULL RAIDING OR PVP ARMOR!!!!!
L2Read.
#2
I would rather wipe in BG's all day long than heal a DK. As far as raiding goes, I refuse to now join a raid with a DK in it. Which is ok because this is pretty much becoming a standard where I play. The norm for Dal chat is now something to this effect.
"LF 3 more VoA 10 NO DK's"
"LF 6 more for 25 Naxx Please no DK's"
So yeah pretty much the server is sick of it, not just me.
Since every BG I join is made up of min 8 DK's per side, it really doesn't matter if I heal or not, all of the fights now have pretty much become Dk vs Dk and who ever has the most DK's will win the BG.
Which goes back to my point of diversity in wow now going right out the f*****g window. It is starting to suck ass.
#3
you are right it is 20%
however 20% of a server is still a lot.
19% of 2500 = 475
21% of 2500 = 525
= 1000
20% of 5000 = 1000
20% of a server population being 1 class though is very absurd.