The degree to which this matters is directly proportionate to maturity, imo. Seriously, so what? It's got nudity. Big whoop. I care MUCH, MUCH more about gameplay elements then whether or not you can actually teabag defeated foes.
Oh, and speaking of teabagging, that's got to be the height of douchebaggery right there, and only supports my contention that FFA PvP MMORPGs are ruined by the DeathMatch/Team Fortress mentality.
do not compromise your ideals to appease the whining xian self-appointed guardians of everyone's morals.
Dude... I'm Christian by tradition and still couldn't give a rat's ass if dangly bits are present and customizable. Watch where you sling that broad brush there. Yes, some Christians do in fact say ass. We also say fuck, shit, and damn when the mood hits.
then you're obviously not the kind of xian I'm talking about, so don't worry yourself about it. Unfortunately there are groups like Focus On the Family who are more than happy to spend millions to get laws passed in an effort to control other's lives.
You can BET that if anyone has a major issue with full frontal, they are going to be waving the flags of "Morality" , and "family values". It won't matter that the game will likely have a rating that like an adult movie or malt beverage, would forbid it's sale to minors....they will claim that they are trying to protect "the children", when in reality it's just a measure of dominionist control.
I live in a city where they have pretty much taken over....bars and clubs closed, the weekly showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Lon Cheney Theatre closed down...all in the name of "decency" and "morals". Freedoms stripped from thinking, free adults. These same people who send money to line the pockets of politicians, making sure things go their way.
And when these guys get wind that there's a VIDEO GAME with FULL FRONTAL NUDITY...well pardon my choice of expressions but...
All Hell's gonna break loose.
I abhor the Morality Police just as you do. However, I will laugh heartily as they scream at Starvault until their faces turn purple and they have heart attacks, to no affect. Why? Well, Starvault is in the EU, and *hopefully* could give a rats ass what some crazy religious dominionists (nice word!) in America think about their product.
Then again, Funcom was in the EU too and removed much of the nudity in AoC after it was released, but Funcom isn't called Failcom for no reason.
If they are all female characters, hey, it's not so bad. Or they could give the toggle for turning all characters as females. Still, that's not something worthy of hyping the game for.
So full nudity is ok if all the characters ingame are female? Why can't the female gamers who play have something to look at? I don't think games like this should include nudity, but in reality it's not that big a deal. If they want more realisim this is 1 area not many companies have done yet.
Yeah... I think that someone is afraid of people of the same sex naked...
Did you skip showering in gym too?
I don't know why people are so afraid of nudity, don't go to art school you'll be spending a lot of time drawing naked people, males females and fat old people too.
I think that nudity seems needless in MMO's it will just encourage pathetic kids to jerk off to girls who they pay gold to take off their tops...
People already do horrible cyber activities on most MMO's now it will be just that much more disturbing.
I question the realism argument. Sure, it's realistic to have a cock n' balls under that loincloth, but just how realistic is it to the next guy? I'm fine working alongside people at my job, knowing (but not dwelling on the fact) that underneath their clothes, they have.... OMG.. genetalia! However, it's not realistic for the guys I work with to run by naked while screaming LOLOLOLO!!!!
Like I said, I don't care if the game features FFN or not. It really doesn't matter to me. But don't go touting the bullshit that it's "realistic", since realistically you would be the only one to see yourself naked 99% of the time. You just like it because you can 1) teabag your victims, and 2) roll up a female toon and commence the whacking. You know it's true, so shut up. Now.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
Does this mean that if my sword breaks while fighting, my character can quickly whip out a naughty picture of the tavern wench to inspire his "newb weapon"?
Non-issue. Fine decision, bout time world got force fed it's strangely sheltered taboo's. May this be the start of something more forward thinking in gaming at least. I will get to role-play William Burroughs eating lunch on Sundays completely naked..Only question will be who has the most flattering appendage, my bets on Half Orc or Sidoian. Unlucky Khurites..
HAHAH.... its a swedish company that makes this and we arnt so uptight here up in the northen parts of Europe.
Full frontal nudity dosent chock the avrage sweed one bit I can tell you that.
Actually we often laugh about how some countries, like that big one ( not naming names here) have so mush censorship when it comes to Nudity. I think its alarming when you live in a place that allows you to have as mush guns as you like, but you get all freaked out when you see a little skin HAHAHA....
Sweden home of the Vikings.... a little Naked Pixle Flesh...Dosent scare US!
I question the realism argument. Sure, it's realistic to have a cock n' balls under that loincloth, but just how realistic is it to the next guy? I'm fine working alongside people at my job, knowing (but not dwelling on the fact) that underneath their clothes, they have.... OMG.. genetalia! However, it's not realistic for the guys I work with to run by naked while screaming LOLOLOLO!!!!
Like I said, I don't care if the game features FFN or not. It really doesn't matter to me. But don't go touting the bullshit that it's "realistic", since realistically you would be the only one to see yourself naked 99% of the time. You just like it because you can 1) teabag your victims, and 2) roll up a female toon and commence the whacking. You know it's true, so shut up. Now.
Bravo. I applaud your juvenile narrow mindedness and generalisations.
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Fucking realism.
Fucking classic.
Juvenile? Who's being juvenile here? I mean, hey, if you really need to see naked toons running around, knock yourself out. Me, I'll be busy playing the game. As far as killing the nudes, you're damn right I will. Sure, they may not have anything worth looting, but fun will be had by all.
Just stop with the realism mantra. It's complete bullshit and you know it, no matter how you try to rationalize it for yourself.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
HAHAH.... its a swedish company that makes this and we arnt so uptight here up in the northen parts of Europe. Full frontal nudity dosent chock the avrage sweed one bit I can tell you that. Actually we often laugh about how some countries, like that big one ( not naming names here) have so mush censorship when it comes to Nudity. I think its alarming when you live in a place that allows you to have as mush guns as you like, but you get all freaked out when you see a little skin HAHAHA.... Sweden home of the Vikings.... a little Naked Pixle Flesh...Dosent scare US!
The U.S. may be prudish when it comes to nudity, but we're nowhere near as bad as Australia.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
HAHAH.... its a swedish company that makes this and we arnt so uptight here up in the northen parts of Europe. Full frontal nudity dosent chock the avrage sweed one bit I can tell you that. Actually we often laugh about how some countries, like that big one ( not naming names here) have so mush censorship when it comes to Nudity. I think its alarming when you live in a place that allows you to have as mush guns as you like, but you get all freaked out when you see a little skin HAHAHA.... Sweden home of the Vikings.... a little Naked Pixle Flesh...Dosent scare US!
The U.S. may be prudish when it comes to nudity, but we're nowhere near as bad as Australia.
Australia is becoming more and more totalitarian. I feel bad for them really.
SV is based in Sweden so if the rightist special interest groups in the US try to sue them they can have fun completely wasting their time and money. Those people need to fucking grow up. If I take off my clothes and walk outside people are going to see me naked. A 6'2" 180 lb naked man walking around isn't going to have black censor bars on his dangly bits. Sure, I'll get arrested, probably, but people are still going to see it.
With any form of media it's just a bit of information sitting out there somewhere. You have to actually go looking for it, acknowledge what it is, then begin viewing it in order to actually see anything. Completely different than me walking around in public. I'd be the ultimate pop-up add because RL has no censors or pop-up blockers, I'd laugh my ass off. It's just a video game folks. You see a naked person every single time you take a shower or bath. People need to get over themselves.
PS: Oh yeah and it's hilarious how completely screwed up these groups' views are. It's ok if video games have massive gore in the form of shoving a spike into a guys head and then ripping his head off, that just gets and M rating. Show a vagina or a dick though and then it becomes obscene. Violence = ok, nudity = bad. So it's ok to shoot Dick Cheney in the throat, so long as my Dick Clinton doesn't flop around while I do it.
A 6'2" 180 lb naked man walking around isn't going to have black censor bars on his dangly bits. Sure, I'll get arrested, probably, but people are still going to see it.
Heh. a fat chick was streaking through our neighborhood a few months back, couldn't tell it was a chick though cause of the fat.
Now that I know it was a chick, I wish censor bars popped up.
But I doubt there will be any obscenely fat characters in MMO, and if there is, I demand they are locked up or killed on sight.
In all seriousness, I agree its hypocritical how the US/NA acts towards its "ratings", they let games like "The man show" out, but scream about BMX XXX. If its just a bunch of tits flopping about no one cares, add in a little below the waist though and everyone freaks. God of War lets you know you are having a threesome , no one really bitches about that even though anyone and their baby cousin could tell whats happening. Yet if they showed even the top half of Kratos in the middle of it, I'd bet they would be in an uproar. Hell, that game is full of T&A, its that 5-10% of the female anatomy we don't see that keeps it safe I guess.
Though, you have to wonder then, about how they threatened to rate Manhunt 2 AO simply cause of violence, when what you see in that is tame compared to "Hostel", "Saw", and all the other "Torture Porn" movies released. Hell, besides God of War (at least to some regard), those are the worst.
We don't have an R rating. If it's R, it's banned.
Then we have to pirate it. IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT!
In all seriousness, though, a lot of laws here are retarded, and the "justice system" doesn't seem to be all that effective.
I see people walking around drunk all the time, occaisionally breaking shit.
Me, I hop out of my car, a club 10m away. I wasn't driving, but I had a drink in my hand. The first drink of the night, in fact. BAM! Cops walk out, say "show us your ID", and me and my friend both got $100 fines.
Pffff. Lame. Drinking in public. Hadn't even crossed my mind, as I see it (and much worse crimes) go unpunished daily... But anyway, going off topic.
Our internet sucks, our government sucks, our economy sucks, and our Games Industry sucks (although that is probably due to both the Internet and Economy)
Anyway, we will not likely see box sales of Mortal Online, because it will likely get an "R" rating due to "Full frontal nudity". Good on you, Government.
(On another note - we got some sort of "stimulus package" of $300, $600, or $900, depending on how much we earned. I did not earn enough to get any of this stimulus package. Also, while on the Dole, you are not allowed to save money. Got $20,000 in the bank? No dole for you. Yeah, you go out there and spend that $400 a fortnight, dude, and remember not to invest! ::angry face:: )
I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much.
I question the realism argument. Sure, it's realistic to have a cock n' balls under that loincloth, but just how realistic is it to the next guy? I'm fine working alongside people at my job, knowing (but not dwelling on the fact) that underneath their clothes, they have.... OMG.. genetalia! However, it's not realistic for the guys I work with to run by naked while screaming LOLOLOLO!!!!
I had a good laugh.
TBH, it doesn't really add anything to the game, but I guess its a cheap way to raise the hype.
So I wonder how many people will make a female toon now and run around without any armor or clothing, just so they can watch things jiggle?
Wont happen. Its a first person view only game. So no making a girly character just to stare at her, because you'll never be able to see your character.
Anyway, on to the topic at hand.
Full frontal nudity.... heh, its funny to see Star Vault is trying to take the AOC approach to attract the pervo subs. I mean, thats whats bascially keeping AOC afloat is the horney losers whacking off to some pixle tits. However, I applaud Star Vaults willingness to take things further and go all out with the nudity. Not only are they appealing to the lone jerkers, they obvisouly want to appeal to the cyber fiends as well and appeal to the loney female gamers out there too. Way to think outside the box by showing it.
I mean, sure, it smacks of desperation, but youve got to give them credit for at least trying. Because, when the actual gamers have left due to the games epic failing in all aspects, its going to be those sexually perverted souls who keep the poultry subfees coming in and the game just barely keeping its head above water.
I question the realism argument. Sure, it's realistic to have a cock n' balls under that loincloth, but just how realistic is it to the next guy? I'm fine working alongside people at my job, knowing (but not dwelling on the fact) that underneath their clothes, they have.... OMG.. genetalia! However, it's not realistic for the guys I work with to run by naked while screaming LOLOLOLO!!!!
Like I said, I don't care if the game features FFN or not. It really doesn't matter to me. But don't go touting the bullshit that it's "realistic", since realistically you would be the only one to see yourself naked 99% of the time. You just like it because you can 1) teabag your victims, and 2) roll up a female toon and commence the whacking. You know it's true, so shut up. Now.
I wasn't going to reply in this thread, but I had to add that, tho cartoon representationsof genitalia do not bother me.. people who lust after them(cartoon representations, not the real thing) are just sad, in my opinion. IT IS ONLY A CARTOON PEOPLE, GROW UP. To the Christians it bothers - seems to me your God created people naked.
Want proof? What would you do if Star Vault announced tomorrow that there will be permanent underwear? Would that affect your enjoyment of the game?
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
Want proof? What would you do if Star Vault announced tomorrow that there will be permanent underwear? Would that affect your enjoyment of the game?
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
Want proof? What would you do if Star Vault announced tomorrow that there will be permanent underwear? Would that affect your enjoyment of the game?
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
what I was trying to ILLUSTRATE with an exaggerative scenario (go back to wikipedia and re-read the definition of a slippery slope fallacy...I was just WAITING for you to try that argument) was that one element of realism is just as important as any other when a collective effect is desired. Every grain of sand contributes to the beach. Yes you could remove one...but why pick any particular one over another? Unless of course you had personal issues with that one aspect of realism.
Want proof? What would you do if Star Vault announced tomorrow that there will be permanent underwear? Would that affect your enjoyment of the game?
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
what I was trying to ILLUSTRATE with an exaggerative scenario (go back to wikipedia and re-read the definition of a slippery slope fallacy...I was just WAITING for you to try that argument) was that one element of realism is just as important as any other when a collective effect is desired. Every grain of sand contributes to the beach. Yes you could remove one...but why pick any particular one over another? Unless of course you had personal issues with that one aspect of realism.
mm maybe but wow has proven a long time ago that content is a lot more important then eye candy
mm maybe but wow has proven a long time ago that content is a lot more important then eye candy
comparing a child's theme-park epic-purple-carrot-chase to a game like MO is just completely silly.
A very dismissive and ignorant post. Do you know how many 'children' over the age of 30 are playing WoW at the moment?
Full frontal nudity, I think in many cases will be off-putting for women. I certainly would not play in my current guild if it weren't for the large amount of vibrant personalities we have in the community. Many of these people are women and girls, who I think would not enjoy full frontal nudity and the ogglers that go along with it. My view on this might be 'carebear' or 'conservative', but if I want to look at breasts, I will not log on to a MMO.
My opinion is that adding full frontal nudity definitely does not make the game 'more mature'.
mm maybe but wow has proven a long time ago that content is a lot more important then eye candy
comparing a child's theme-park epic-purple-carrot-chase to a game like MO is just completely silly.
A very dismissive and ignorant post. Do you know how many 'children' over the age of 30 are playing WoW at the moment?
Full frontal nudity, I think in many cases will be off-putting for women. I certainly would not play in my current guild if it weren't for the large amount of vibrant personalities we have in the community. Many of these people are women and girls, who I think would not enjoy full frontal nudity and the ogglers that go along with it. My view on this might be 'carebear' or 'conservative', but if I want to look at breasts, I will not log on to a MMO.
My opinion is that adding full frontal nudity definitely does not make the game 'more mature'.
Dismissive, yes. Ignorant, no.
But then, my assumption that wow-junkies childish could be compared to your assumption that women do not enjoy nudity (in MY experience, you'd be surprised actually), or others' assumptions that the inclusion of nudity is for immature rather than realistic purposes.
Tell ya what....I'll take a realistic game designed for a mature audience over a cartoon game designed for the lowest common denominator any day.
When did seeing boobies, penises and vaginas make you mature lol
Pretty sure the idea is that you're supposed to have to be mature to buy the game...as in, the game is targeted at an older audience. You know...the kind who can buy tobacco, alcohol and porn.
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do not compromise your ideals to appease the whining xian self-appointed guardians of everyone's morals.
Dude... I'm Christian by tradition and still couldn't give a rat's ass if dangly bits are present and customizable. Watch where you sling that broad brush there. Yes, some Christians do in fact say ass. We also say fuck, shit, and damn when the mood hits.
then you're obviously not the kind of xian I'm talking about, so don't worry yourself about it. Unfortunately there are groups like Focus On the Family who are more than happy to spend millions to get laws passed in an effort to control other's lives.
You can BET that if anyone has a major issue with full frontal, they are going to be waving the flags of "Morality" , and "family values". It won't matter that the game will likely have a rating that like an adult movie or malt beverage, would forbid it's sale to minors....they will claim that they are trying to protect "the children", when in reality it's just a measure of dominionist control.
I live in a city where they have pretty much taken over....bars and clubs closed, the weekly showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Lon Cheney Theatre closed down...all in the name of "decency" and "morals". Freedoms stripped from thinking, free adults. These same people who send money to line the pockets of politicians, making sure things go their way.
And when these guys get wind that there's a VIDEO GAME with FULL FRONTAL NUDITY...well pardon my choice of expressions but...
All Hell's gonna break loose.
I abhor the Morality Police just as you do. However, I will laugh heartily as they scream at Starvault until their faces turn purple and they have heart attacks, to no affect. Why? Well, Starvault is in the EU, and *hopefully* could give a rats ass what some crazy religious dominionists (nice word!) in America think about their product.
Then again, Funcom was in the EU too and removed much of the nudity in AoC after it was released, but Funcom isn't called Failcom for no reason.
So full nudity is ok if all the characters ingame are female? Why can't the female gamers who play have something to look at? I don't think games like this should include nudity, but in reality it's not that big a deal. If they want more realisim this is 1 area not many companies have done yet.
Yeah... I think that someone is afraid of people of the same sex naked...
Did you skip showering in gym too?
I don't know why people are so afraid of nudity, don't go to art school you'll be spending a lot of time drawing naked people, males females and fat old people too.
I think that nudity seems needless in MMO's it will just encourage pathetic kids to jerk off to girls who they pay gold to take off their tops...
People already do horrible cyber activities on most MMO's now it will be just that much more disturbing.
The DEVs are shooting for ultra-realism. I can appreciate it.
Sure..people will have problams with it...but their problems are really within themselves.
I question the realism argument. Sure, it's realistic to have a cock n' balls under that loincloth, but just how realistic is it to the next guy? I'm fine working alongside people at my job, knowing (but not dwelling on the fact) that underneath their clothes, they have.... OMG.. genetalia! However, it's not realistic for the guys I work with to run by naked while screaming LOLOLOLO!!!!
Like I said, I don't care if the game features FFN or not. It really doesn't matter to me. But don't go touting the bullshit that it's "realistic", since realistically you would be the only one to see yourself naked 99% of the time. You just like it because you can 1) teabag your victims, and 2) roll up a female toon and commence the whacking. You know it's true, so shut up. Now.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
Does this mean that if my sword breaks while fighting, my character can quickly whip out a naughty picture of the tavern wench to inspire his "newb weapon"?
Non-issue. Fine decision, bout time world got force fed it's strangely sheltered taboo's. May this be the start of something more forward thinking in gaming at least. I will get to role-play William Burroughs eating lunch on Sundays completely naked..Only question will be who has the most flattering appendage, my bets on Half Orc or Sidoian. Unlucky Khurites..
HAHAH.... its a swedish company that makes this and we arnt so uptight here up in the northen parts of Europe.
Full frontal nudity dosent chock the avrage sweed one bit I can tell you that.
Actually we often laugh about how some countries, like that big one ( not naming names here) have so mush censorship when it comes to Nudity. I think its alarming when you live in a place that allows you to have as mush guns as you like, but you get all freaked out when you see a little skin HAHAHA....
Sweden home of the Vikings.... a little Naked Pixle Flesh...Dosent scare US!
Bravo. I applaud your juvenile narrow mindedness and generalisations.
...Fucking realism.
Fucking classic.
Juvenile? Who's being juvenile here? I mean, hey, if you really need to see naked toons running around, knock yourself out. Me, I'll be busy playing the game. As far as killing the nudes, you're damn right I will. Sure, they may not have anything worth looting, but fun will be had by all.
Just stop with the realism mantra. It's complete bullshit and you know it, no matter how you try to rationalize it for yourself.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
The U.S. may be prudish when it comes to nudity, but we're nowhere near as bad as Australia.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
The U.S. may be prudish when it comes to nudity, but we're nowhere near as bad as Australia.
Australia is becoming more and more totalitarian. I feel bad for them really.
SV is based in Sweden so if the rightist special interest groups in the US try to sue them they can have fun completely wasting their time and money. Those people need to fucking grow up. If I take off my clothes and walk outside people are going to see me naked. A 6'2" 180 lb naked man walking around isn't going to have black censor bars on his dangly bits. Sure, I'll get arrested, probably, but people are still going to see it.
With any form of media it's just a bit of information sitting out there somewhere. You have to actually go looking for it, acknowledge what it is, then begin viewing it in order to actually see anything. Completely different than me walking around in public. I'd be the ultimate pop-up add because RL has no censors or pop-up blockers, I'd laugh my ass off. It's just a video game folks. You see a naked person every single time you take a shower or bath. People need to get over themselves.
PS: Oh yeah and it's hilarious how completely screwed up these groups' views are. It's ok if video games have massive gore in the form of shoving a spike into a guys head and then ripping his head off, that just gets and M rating. Show a vagina or a dick though and then it becomes obscene. Violence = ok, nudity = bad. So it's ok to shoot Dick Cheney in the throat, so long as my Dick Clinton doesn't flop around while I do it.
Heh. a fat chick was streaking through our neighborhood a few months back, couldn't tell it was a chick though cause of the fat.
Now that I know it was a chick, I wish censor bars popped up.
But I doubt there will be any obscenely fat characters in MMO, and if there is, I demand they are locked up or killed on sight.
In all seriousness, I agree its hypocritical how the US/NA acts towards its "ratings", they let games like "The man show" out, but scream about BMX XXX. If its just a bunch of tits flopping about no one cares, add in a little below the waist though and everyone freaks. God of War lets you know you are having a threesome , no one really bitches about that even though anyone and their baby cousin could tell whats happening. Yet if they showed even the top half of Kratos in the middle of it, I'd bet they would be in an uproar. Hell, that game is full of T&A, its that 5-10% of the female anatomy we don't see that keeps it safe I guess.
Though, you have to wonder then, about how they threatened to rate Manhunt 2 AO simply cause of violence, when what you see in that is tame compared to "Hostel", "Saw", and all the other "Torture Porn" movies released. Hell, besides God of War (at least to some regard), those are the worst.
Eh, least we ain't Australia I guess.
Damn straight.
We don't have an R rating. If it's R, it's banned.
Then we have to pirate it. IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT!
In all seriousness, though, a lot of laws here are retarded, and the "justice system" doesn't seem to be all that effective.
I see people walking around drunk all the time, occaisionally breaking shit.
Me, I hop out of my car, a club 10m away. I wasn't driving, but I had a drink in my hand. The first drink of the night, in fact. BAM! Cops walk out, say "show us your ID", and me and my friend both got $100 fines.
Pffff. Lame. Drinking in public. Hadn't even crossed my mind, as I see it (and much worse crimes) go unpunished daily... But anyway, going off topic.
Our internet sucks, our government sucks, our economy sucks, and our Games Industry sucks (although that is probably due to both the Internet and Economy)
Anyway, we will not likely see box sales of Mortal Online, because it will likely get an "R" rating due to "Full frontal nudity". Good on you, Government.
(On another note - we got some sort of "stimulus package" of $300, $600, or $900, depending on how much we earned. I did not earn enough to get any of this stimulus package. Also, while on the Dole, you are not allowed to save money. Got $20,000 in the bank? No dole for you. Yeah, you go out there and spend that $400 a fortnight, dude, and remember not to invest! ::angry face:: )
I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much.
You all need to learn to spell.
I had a good laugh.
TBH, it doesn't really add anything to the game, but I guess its a cheap way to raise the hype.
Wont happen. Its a first person view only game. So no making a girly character just to stare at her, because you'll never be able to see your character.
Anyway, on to the topic at hand.
Full frontal nudity.... heh, its funny to see Star Vault is trying to take the AOC approach to attract the pervo subs. I mean, thats whats bascially keeping AOC afloat is the horney losers whacking off to some pixle tits. However, I applaud Star Vaults willingness to take things further and go all out with the nudity. Not only are they appealing to the lone jerkers, they obvisouly want to appeal to the cyber fiends as well and appeal to the loney female gamers out there too. Way to think outside the box by showing it.
I mean, sure, it smacks of desperation, but youve got to give them credit for at least trying. Because, when the actual gamers have left due to the games epic failing in all aspects, its going to be those sexually perverted souls who keep the poultry subfees coming in and the game just barely keeping its head above water.
I wasn't going to reply in this thread, but I had to add that, tho cartoon representationsof genitalia do not bother me.. people who lust after them(cartoon representations, not the real thing) are just sad, in my opinion. IT IS ONLY A CARTOON PEOPLE, GROW UP. To the Christians it bothers - seems to me your God created people naked.
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
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No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
what I was trying to ILLUSTRATE with an exaggerative scenario (go back to wikipedia and re-read the definition of a slippery slope fallacy...I was just WAITING for you to try that argument) was that one element of realism is just as important as any other when a collective effect is desired. Every grain of sand contributes to the beach. Yes you could remove one...but why pick any particular one over another? Unless of course you had personal issues with that one aspect of realism.
No actually it wouldn't. But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.
It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?
what I was trying to ILLUSTRATE with an exaggerative scenario (go back to wikipedia and re-read the definition of a slippery slope fallacy...I was just WAITING for you to try that argument) was that one element of realism is just as important as any other when a collective effect is desired. Every grain of sand contributes to the beach. Yes you could remove one...but why pick any particular one over another? Unless of course you had personal issues with that one aspect of realism.
mm maybe but wow has proven a long time ago that content is a lot more important then eye candy
comparing a child's theme-park epic-purple-carrot-chase to a game like MO is just completely silly.
Here I thought this thread would be referencing Monty Python...
comparing a child's theme-park epic-purple-carrot-chase to a game like MO is just completely silly.
A very dismissive and ignorant post. Do you know how many 'children' over the age of 30 are playing WoW at the moment?
Full frontal nudity, I think in many cases will be off-putting for women. I certainly would not play in my current guild if it weren't for the large amount of vibrant personalities we have in the community. Many of these people are women and girls, who I think would not enjoy full frontal nudity and the ogglers that go along with it. My view on this might be 'carebear' or 'conservative', but if I want to look at breasts, I will not log on to a MMO.
My opinion is that adding full frontal nudity definitely does not make the game 'more mature'.
comparing a child's theme-park epic-purple-carrot-chase to a game like MO is just completely silly.
A very dismissive and ignorant post. Do you know how many 'children' over the age of 30 are playing WoW at the moment?
Full frontal nudity, I think in many cases will be off-putting for women. I certainly would not play in my current guild if it weren't for the large amount of vibrant personalities we have in the community. Many of these people are women and girls, who I think would not enjoy full frontal nudity and the ogglers that go along with it. My view on this might be 'carebear' or 'conservative', but if I want to look at breasts, I will not log on to a MMO.
My opinion is that adding full frontal nudity definitely does not make the game 'more mature'.
Dismissive, yes. Ignorant, no.
But then, my assumption that wow-junkies childish could be compared to your assumption that women do not enjoy nudity (in MY experience, you'd be surprised actually), or others' assumptions that the inclusion of nudity is for immature rather than realistic purposes.
Tell ya what....I'll take a realistic game designed for a mature audience over a cartoon game designed for the lowest common denominator any day.
When did seeing boobies, penises and vaginas make you mature lol
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
Pretty sure the idea is that you're supposed to have to be mature to buy the game...as in, the game is targeted at an older audience. You know...the kind who can buy tobacco, alcohol and porn.