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Colonial
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Its over now, CoX just took a bullet to its brain and blew them out.
Please take your time to read.
Please be WARNED the link below as it currently stands is a 320 page thread.
boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php
www.massively.com/2009/05/05/matt-positron-miller-prepares-his-radioactive-banhammer-agains/
Although I am currently not subbed to the game I took part in lots and lots of activities including farming and the farmers I met held up to 5 accounts. Whether you agree or disagree with this the community are now at each others throats.
In no way EVER should a dev BAN its own players for their mistakes, you should take a more measured approach and change the system quick smart. Even if you joined a team just to have fun and you didnt know what you were doing you will face a ban and or rights to the system removed. They literally just said here you go cryptic we have too many subs please take half of them.
With the summer months rolling in and next month CO and JGE launch I think CoX has killed itself. The Architect system was supposed to save the game not be the knock out blow.
Personally Im gonna smoke some pipe weed in lotro before giving CO or JGE a go.
Comments
I have no problem whatsoever with the action the CoH devs are taking. The abuse of the system was pretty blatant and extreme. After 5 years you get to know a game pretty well and they need to set the tone now before it get totally out of control. I can understand the argument that you should be able to play missions how you like but these aren't missions. They are speed grinds.
/fire shield
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
I dont have a problem with them dealing with abuse.
Its how they are dealing with it I have a problem with banning your own players really? Using a system you developed?
I know. And I agree it is harsh. As the article states though an outright account ban is a last resort. There are also avenues for reconsideration at every stage of the arc banning procedure. They can also ban toons within accounts as well so they have a few more options other than just a big whack.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Is the AE flawed? YES
Did the Devs release it anyway: YES
Did Players pounce on it like a school of sharks? YES
Who gets the greater blame though? The players or the devs for not having enough security precautions in the AE and for plugging the holes?
As to the banning of players........any player that has a farm mission still up runs the risk of it being locked so that you can't delete it and it cannot be played. That's a start. All players with farm arcs published should receive a 3 day ban from the game and their arcs deleted with a permenant warning on their record that all MA mishes they make will be carefully audited by the dev staff from now on. If they try to slip a farm mission in again, then they are gone. For the players: as of May 5th when Posi posted his rant, THAT is when you should cease AE farming and play normal AE mishes as well as regular missions instead as I suspect that he will hunt down anyone that rapid levels as of May 5th in the AE, if he hunts anyone at all.
THAT is what Posi and the staff should do.
As to the players that rapid leveled characters in the AE: I find it amazing that Positron would even slightly make public that the concept of character banning/removal would happen. Does he or anyone else for that matter realize the amount of datamining it would take to isolate all the characters that were rapid leveled in the AE?
Does he also realize that such a DRACONIAN punishment being leveled against anyone that used the MA from it's launch to May 5th, the day of his post/tantrum will:
1. Cause many subscribers to shut down and leave for good
2. Be EXTREMELY hypocritical in light of the fact that there have been other XP exploits in the past that were fixed and no users of such methods were hunted down and booted? I refer to the infamous "SNAKE EGG" farm on villainside and the ever popular "Ouroborus/Vanguard" exploit that was ALLOWED TO RUN DURING A DOUBLE XP WEEKEND before it was cut off. No one that racked up funds or xp from either was hunted down by Posi.
Fix the AE's loopholes, make a better rating system that isn't prone to griefing/sabotage, give author's the option to have their name be anonymous, delete the farms, flag the authors of the farms accounts and give them a 3 day ban and be done with it.
IMO, the real guilty people in this are the Devs for not closing the loopholes and adding better security to the AE, and the authors of the farms. There are too many players that used the farms to effectively track down, but you can sure get the authors.
He did not say they are taking the chracters of anyone who ever ran an AE farm. He left it open for there to be punishment for the most egregious offenders. Meaning, the one who truely abused it could lose a character that was leveled 1-50 in 6 hours.
This is also not going to be a retroactive punishment. The EULA says you can be banned for using exploits. The release note for I14 and MA said plainly, "MA is not meant to be used for farming and powerleveling". They EULA gives them the right to ban any account at any time for any reason.
Last thing I have to say is, grats to Colonial for finding another way to troll this board. We know you don't like the game and we know you don't play anymore. We don't need you reminding us.
I saw a non-Farmer in another forum post the lovely thought of "Everyone hates a cheater" so he was all in favor of the heavy handed slapping of the wrist beatdown that anyone and everyone that participated in the "cheating" will receive. I also read some of the 10,000 posts that the non-cheating farming community posted full of over-zealous head calling and brandishing pitchforks. Then of course I saw Positron's lovely email.
I have to ask, do any of these people have a clue what they are screaming for? This game isn't WOW and the banning of 1000's of accounts because those people made a farm and the de-leveling of 1000's of characters that got a few lvls this past week means this game is toast. Is that worth it to them to completely hose their game because some folks took advantage of a Developer's mistakes? I'm not saying you can only adhere to rules if you have a few million subscribers but COH did something good and then the non-cheating community and Positron went on a freaking witchhunt/mutant massacre and most people who might have killed a Rikkti Comm officer or three really are peaved by their self-riteous tone. Way to split a community right down the middle.
Everything isn't black and white and everyone who "Cheated" ain't exactly the devil himself but if you read the boards you'd think we were. I didn't build a farm mission but when a friend told me about it, I dug out several level 4's and got past the mind numbing repetitive 1-20 five year old content of the developers by killing a few Rikkti. I would rather stick a spike thru my eye than kill another skull or hellion in a non-descript office building. The game is five years old and still has the same exact level cap of 50 and It still has the same 1-20 quests/contacts and generally speaking, the cheaters did everyone a favor. I was trying out new characters and making new non-farm content in the AE and having fun. I would make 10 or 20 more characters and play another year or two if they would lighten up a little. Remove the buggy Comm officer and move on....
Yes I"ve read Posi's post and the "egregious offenders" comment. I suppose the question is how they plan to define egregious in this matter?
A person that went from 1 to 50 in a few hours? Ok I can see that character being removed or cut off.
A person that ran multiple toons from 1 to 50 in a few hours? I can see that too.
What if someone took a character made long before AE came along that was stalled at a certain level range for whatever reason and used the AE farms to get the character "over the hump" as it were, or all the way to 50? I'm not seeing that as a hideous sin by comparison of making a new alt named "JOE FARMER PL ME NOW!" and cruising to 50 in a few hours.
I also again point out that no one was punished at all for using the SNAKE EGG farm that was on villain side, nor the Ouroborus/Vanguard xp exploit that was allowed to run during a DOUBLE XP WEEKEND and was then closed off on Monday morning maintenance.
Granted those two I referenced may not be quite as severe as the MA was, but still if no action was taken for those other two, then justifying action against PL'd MA toons becomes a bit trickier. Yes they can boot anyone, anytime, any reason but still.....
I still say the AUTHORS of the missions are the ones that need the smackdown, far more then the ones that ran them. Also the DEVS should ban themselves for not plugging the holes in the AE before launch or else they should have torpedoed this within a few days of AE going live, and NOT wait until after the anniversay and reactivation events were done.
what abuse? ma/ae was supposed to be released in i13, it wasn't, it was pushed back ANOTHER 5 months and released in i14.
re-read what posi posted... in an ass-backwards way of writing it, he stated that they (staff) expected the ae to be used for farming.
deleting characters and banning accounts? great pr there. they'll keep the 100-200 sycophantic ass-kissers on the official forums and lose the other 140,000+ accounts? that's great posi made a post, but i can tell you that hundreds of people across the servers, playing the game, don't bother reading the forums, nor do they post. and that's just from my being on random servers for a couple of hours yesterday. i'm sure the vast majority of players DON'T spend copious amounts of time geeking out on forums (official or not), and they just play the game in front of them.
the stupidity abundant in posi's post is positively appalling.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
what abuse? ma/ae was supposed to be released in i13, it wasn't, it was pushed back ANOTHER 5 months and released in i14.
re-read what posi posted... in an ass-backwards way of writing it, he stated that they (staff) expected the ae to be used for farming.
deleting characters and banning accounts? great pr there. they'll keep the 100-200 sycophantic ass-kissers on the official forums and lose the other 140,000+ accounts? that's great posi made a post, but i can tell you that hundreds of people across the servers, playing the game, don't bother reading the forums, nor do they post. and that's just from my being on random servers for a couple of hours yesterday. i'm sure the vast majority of players DON'T spend copious amounts of time geeking out on forums (official or not), and they just play the game in front of them.
the stupidity abundant in posi's post is positively appalling.
It is also possible that Posi was simply full of hot air about the removing of characters. If a toon was leveled from 1 to 50 in a few hours then I could see that character getting yanked. It all depends on how they define "egregious offenders" as Posi put it.
Posi could simply be out to put some fear in the farmers, who knows.
My point is, if your not going to define who gets banned then don't say you're going to ban. That just got everyone worked up. I had a guy who really needing a cape to look cool but he leveled at the speed of a turtle. Now the guy is 30 and I got my cape and aura and some better slots and I want to play him again. However if any day they can cut him because "We said so" then I probably won't waste my time.
I agree that nerfing anyones character or booting people will damage the community and that Posi has done a great job of dividing the community. As for me, I've been trying to make story driven missions and was getting real torqued off at all the farm missions getting all the ratings that they were, and also some people uploaded a mission that AUTOCOMPLETES as soon as you enter it, thereby getting cheap progress on certain badge sets.
Boot the AUTHORS from the architect that have any such cheat-complete mission or farm mission published at the moment. Fix the AE and move on.
what EXACTLY is the difference between grinding and farming? is it ONLY the amount of time involved?
in coh you grind for :
inf(amy/luence)
recipes (purple, costume, pvp)
reward merits
vanguard merits
tickets
badges (damage, healing, X defeats/kills, etc)
accolades
NORMAL play, would involve running thru the content ONCE, on a toon, correct? otherwise... ODDS ARE... that you're grinding or farming.
i can speak from experience, that VERY anti-farm groups (such as RO - repeat offenders), despite their assertions to different - farm. if you're "completing normal content"; but, that means you're running an ITF every day (and ran the ITF multiple times a day before the nerf/change)... that's fine that you're "running content to its completion"; but, it's farming, either for levels, inf(amy/luence), merits, whatever.
ae/ma is supposedly a modified version of a tool used by staff... correct? after the 6ish months to get i13 out, they pushed it back another 5 months to i14. this game has been out for 5 years. at least 20% of this game's lifespan was spent getting ma/ae to a release point to the customer.
posi even states that they expected players to farm, using ma/ae.
there is no blame or wrong doing on the parts of ANY players. if you don't like farming, explain EXACTLY how it adversely affects you. use tiny words. between tickets and reward merits, you can get most any recipe ingame (with the exceptions of purples, costumes, and pvp recipes). but there's a whole lot of "proc" recipes you can gain via merits/tickets.
is it that you're jealous that your grinding is not getting you the recipes as quickly as someone else's farming?
are you jealous that someone farming has more lvl 50s than you and your grinding?
how EXACTLY does someone else grinding at a fast rate (i.e. farming), adversely affect YOU, personally, in your enjoyment of this game? if that person ENJOYS his/her playstyle, who EXACTLY are YOU, to say that it's wrong?
no, i'm tired of this rampant memememememe "i'm the most important and only the way i say to play is ok" IDIOTIC way of thinking -- everyone complaining about this "rampant farming" needs to explain EXACTLY how this is adversely affecting you.
keep in mind, if people aren't teaming with you, it very well could be your personality. or, enough people have gotten tired of carrying you. lack of people to group with is DEFINITELY on you; because i've had no problem getting sf/tf/random normal content grouping at any time since ae/ma was released.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I agree that nerfing anyones character or booting people will damage the community and that Posi has done a great job of dividing the community. As for me, I've been trying to make story driven missions and was getting real torqued off at all the farm missions getting all the ratings that they were, and also some people uploaded a mission that AUTOCOMPLETES as soon as you enter it, thereby getting cheap progress on certain badge sets.
Boot the AUTHORS from the architect that have any such cheat-complete mission or farm mission published at the moment. Fix the AE and move on.
i also have put in a considerable amount of time in building/tweaking multi-mission arcs with storylines, unique mobs, lots of time and love put into them.
any supposed 'abuse' of the system, well, it is non-existent. after all the time the gaming staff spent modifying/testing/et cetera the game... to blame the PLAYERS...
well, that's tantamount to the idiocy that tasos/darkfall pulls, or the bullshit that soe has pulled in multiple games. great job posi/matt! you're putting your name and coh in great company with this idiocy. but, we shouldn't call them stupid, because it hurts their feelings and they'll put us on ignore.
kinda like all those bank accounts putting THEM on ignore. and yes, i left a nice message for posi on my "please don't leave us" form.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Since I have no sympathy for cheaters, this was very satisfying to read. Thanks.
The devs created a system that would add some fun to the game. As usual, some cheaters found a way to exploit it. Just because you CAN cheat, doesn't mean you should. In games just as in life, we are not provided with a perfect experience. There will be times when there is temptation before us, and those with character and integrity resist temptation because it is the right thing to do. Opportunity does not equal justification.
how EXACTLY is it cheating?
how EXACTLY does it adversely affect you?
i noticed in your "better than thou" posting, you neglected to define anything. kudos to ya.
edit: no, REALLY... i have a couple of arcs i've put a LOT of time and effort into. probably half the people that have run them have given them 4/5 and left nice comments. yet, i'm struggling to get 100 votes on my arcs.
how EXACTLY is this "stuff" cheating, and HOW does it adversely affect you?
do you run TF/SF a lot one one toon? that's farming. according to you, farming is cheating, yes?
have you gotten ANY badges, thru other than just normal, random play? that's farming for badges. hope you didn't cheat like that.
accolades? recipes? did you hide in a pvp zone for hours for X badge? did you farm pvp kills for base items?
no really... only casual players MIGHT be not guilty of farming one thing or another. and that's cheating. must be nice to be perfect.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but what exactly is cheating? Positron's response is loose enough to ban anyone that did a rikkti farm, anyone who built a mission with a Rikkti Comm officer and more. That's a lot of banning.
In Everquest the developers said they never expected people to camp or to kill gray mobs because they dropped better plat than a mob our level. Now camping and cash or XP farming is common place in games.
Back then in 2000, people just looked for ways to find cash or to level faster because content was lacking to take you from 1-50. People seek shortcuts, especially in a game where there is the temptation to play an alt but not want to repeat content. I got a Rogue to lvl 30 in EQ by having my wife's druid cast a high lvl dmg shield on him and protective buffs and having her character sit close by and heal and buff between combats. Is that cheating?
If you build a MMORPG it is guaranteed someone will run around and act like they are really Spiderman and someone else will sit around in a main area shouting stupid stuff just to be seen and someone else will find the fastest way to level to the top. The COH staff left a mob in game that gave Lieutenant XP for a minion mob and then gave us a tool to make a "dungeon" fuill of these mobs? Whose at fault?
Certainly the Holier-than-thou attitude of the supposed "I never cheat ever" folks towards such a broad definition doesn't help anything.
lol
Lets liken this to a real life situation then since the most similar example is the purchasing of a product heres my stab at your theory of temptation: To eat a chocolate that you have already paid for and the retailer said yes its ready here you are? Then to be arrested for stealing it and taken to jail?
Have the farmers already paid for their account: Check
Are the farmers using a system given to them by the authors: Check
Are they illegally hacking the game to their advantage: Negative
Sounds to me as though more testing should have been done or a more measured approach to fixing it put into place. With all your temptation talk you sound like someone who will knock on my door with a black tie and trousers preaching at me.
Good luck in your game soon it will be a ghost town, smacking a ban hammer down on their own customers will give you your own world of morality to wander around in ENJOY!
See, the thing is, they're considering the uber leveling that the MA allowed to be an exploit, and that they're well within their rights to ban exploiters (which they are really). But they're not saying they'll ban accounts, just at the very most remove access to characters who can be shown to, "have abused the reward system egregiously," and even then removal of character access is the absolute worst, not the first step.
The announcement was horribly worded, and from the player's point of view it looks like retroactive punishment (though the warning against it is in the I14 release notes), it's horrible PR and I really agree it's most likely a bad idea. On the other hand, people have read way too far into the announcement I think. PLing isn't something they terribly like, but as long as it's within a certain acceptable speed range it's fine, some of those farms though, broke that range by several orders of magnitude (I mean come on, 1-50 in under 2 hours? Who in their right mind would imagine that was intended?).
So, unless they wise up and end up saying, "Bad players, don't do it again," or something as a warning (which I hope they end up doing), they're going to punish the people who 'egregiously' abused the exploitive leveling method by, at the very most, removing access to players they egregiously abused the system with. They will probably ban some of the people who kept on reposting baned meow farms though, which I'm ok with.
The problem is, they consider things like the MEOW mission and all-boss missions with no ranged attacks to be exploiting a flaw in their MA system, and I agree with them on that (I don't fully on the actions they're deciding to take though), and there are plenty of provisions against exploiting already spelled out for players.From the CoH/CoV code of conduct:
From the I14 release notes and MA terms of use:I don't completely agree with how they're proposing they handle this issue, but I can certainly see where they're coming from. I mean come on, there were reports of going from 1-50 in two hours. How is that not an exploit of a dev created system?
From the CoH/CoV code of conduct:
From the I14 release notes and MA terms of use:I don't completely agree with how they're proposing they handle this issue, but I can certainly see where they're coming from. I mean come on, there were reports of going from 1-50 in two hours. How is that not an exploit of a dev created system?
fire tanks and the toons pl'd from 1-50 in a couple of days -- all banned and deleted? all threatened to be banned and deleted?
all super teams (all fire/rad sg/vg, all fire/kin sg/vg, etc) which either exploited a double xp weekend to level dozens of toons from 1-50 -- banned and deleted? all threatened to be banned and deleted? what about the super teams that leveled toons from 1-50 in a couple of days? couple of weeks? less than a month?
winter lord? all the people that exploited THAT xp and got to lvl 50 in no time -- all banned and deleted? all threatened to be banned/deleted?
all the people that sit around and farm freak paper/radio missions? farm the big TV mission? farm demon missions? farm battle maiden mission? all of those farmers banned and deleted? all threatened to be banned/deleted for exploiting the existing system?
speed runs on katie -- MASS EXPLOITATION of the tf system -- were all those toons banned/deleted for exploiting the tf recipe drops and repeatedly running katie dozens of times in a week/month? were they threatened to be banned/deleted?
honestly, how EXACTLY does THIS farming, adversely affect YOU personally?
i don't support hypocrisy of any type. if you act like av/soe, expect to be treated like av/soe.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
how EXACTLY is it cheating?
how EXACTLY does it adversely affect you?
i noticed in your "better than thou" posting, you neglected to define anything. kudos to ya.
edit: no, REALLY... i have a couple of arcs i've put a LOT of time and effort into. probably half the people that have run them have given them 4/5 and left nice comments. yet, i'm struggling to get 100 votes on my arcs.
how EXACTLY is this "stuff" cheating, and HOW does it adversely affect you?
do you run TF/SF a lot one one toon? that's farming. according to you, farming is cheating, yes?
have you gotten ANY badges, thru other than just normal, random play? that's farming for badges. hope you didn't cheat like that.
accolades? recipes? did you hide in a pvp zone for hours for X badge? did you farm pvp kills for base items?
no really... only casual players MIGHT be not guilty of farming one thing or another. and that's cheating. must be nice to be perfect.
I think the COH staff have outlined how exactly it is cheating. But cheaters will always defend their cheating with all kinds of rationalizations. One of the most popular rationalizations is they allowed me to do it so it's not cheating.
Well to use a real life analogy, your car can probably go a hundred miles an hour. But there is still a speed limit. Just beause the auto industry made a car that can go 100 plus miles an hour and just because the government built the road does not justify your speeding. And whether your speeding adversely affects me personally is irrelevant since rules, laws, etc are in place to protect the community as a whole.
how EXACTLY is it cheating?
how EXACTLY does it adversely affect you?
i noticed in your "better than thou" posting, you neglected to define anything. kudos to ya.
edit: no, REALLY... i have a couple of arcs i've put a LOT of time and effort into. probably half the people that have run them have given them 4/5 and left nice comments. yet, i'm struggling to get 100 votes on my arcs.
how EXACTLY is this "stuff" cheating, and HOW does it adversely affect you?
do you run TF/SF a lot one one toon? that's farming. according to you, farming is cheating, yes?
have you gotten ANY badges, thru other than just normal, random play? that's farming for badges. hope you didn't cheat like that.
accolades? recipes? did you hide in a pvp zone for hours for X badge? did you farm pvp kills for base items?
no really... only casual players MIGHT be not guilty of farming one thing or another. and that's cheating. must be nice to be perfect.
I think the COH staff have outlined how exactly it is cheating. But cheaters will always defend their cheating with all kinds of rationalizations. One of the most popular rationalizations is they allowed me to do it so it's not cheating.
Well to use a real life analogy, your car can probably go a hundred miles an hour. But there is still a speed limit. Just beause the auto industry made a car that can go 100 plus miles an hour and just because the government built the road does not justify your speeding. And whether your speeding adversely affects me personally is irrelevant since rules, laws, etc are in place to protect the community as a whole.
The difference is that if I get a speeding ticket because I was speeding, I don't expect the cop to be a complete A$$hat. Just give me my ticket and let me pay my fine. I also don't expect all the people who are driving the speed limit to pull over to the side of the road and laugh at my misfortune and give me their soapbox about how law abiding they are. I hope you are not this black and white in real life.
The main adverse affects that I have seen from the AE farm-fest was:
1. Atlas, Peregrine Island, Mercy, and Cap Au Diable, the zones that seem to be considered the universal meeting grounds for things like this were so overloaded at times that the server would flip out and crash the zone, despite having multiple instances of said zone up and running.
2. There are badges that can only be obtained for how many times your mission is star rated and what the rating average is. The rating system as it stands at the moment can be griefed (hey all my good buddies, Please 5 star my farm mission and one star that guy that I hate that uploaded a story arc.) The MA system should give option for an author to be anonymous if they choose, thus gettting more honest ratings from people.
3. The extreme lag on some servers combined with the crashing from all the MA usage. Granted one can try a less populous zone.
4. Of course the big thing now that is affecting everyone is Posi's rant and threat.
Horribly worded is an understatement. Posi really should've chilled a bit or else had the PR folk preview and reword parts of his message before posting as all he did was poke a sleeping bear with a short stick.
1-50 in a few hours I can see as being egregious.
Clearing a toon that is "stalled" or at a "bump in the level road" to a certain point, well that I don't think is too bad. There are players who feel that sometimes an alt of theirs in a level range is "stuck" for whatever reason and seek to get past what they see as a block. Some people likely decided to go the distance and cruise the alt to 50. So be it.
However Posi's comments about removing character access was stated to be the next to last option with outright banning being the big one.
Should those that made and posted the MEOW farms repeatedly despite warnings, etc., be banned? If they were warned previously and even had the farm locked or deleted then by republishing it they have willfully defied an order/warning from the devs. That to me should constitute a ban. But I'm not the one making the final call.
Sadly some people seem to think that rules have a grey area. Rules are black and white. There is right and there is wrong, there is no kind of right and not too wrong. All posi said was that the powerleveling useing exploits in the AE sytem will not be tolerated and those who did use the exploits may lose some of what they gained.
I leveled a few characters from 1-17 using the meow farms. Honestly they were really not that bad when considered next to the NARF missions. Those missions had a bomb in every group of comm officers. Charge in, attack the bomb, 95% of the spawn dies. Huge xp from that with nearly zero risk. THOSE are the farms posi is talking about. Calm down and read what he posted without all the rage and you will see that he is not going to go around banning all farmers.
Yes people farm for things, inf, purple ios, salvage. The difference is they use a mission that has not been created with specific mobs and goals that skew the risk/reward ratio to far one way or the other. People have farmed battlemaiden for years and nothing was done about it. When salvage and ios were introduced people farmed demons for arcane salvage drops. There will always be farming, but to expect an exploit that makes farming a zero risk/high reward endeavor is just delusional. To expect people who blatantly took advantage of said exploit to not have some form of punishment leveled against them is just retarded.