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Is EVE the right game for me?
Duncan.SCA
Member Posts: 7
in EVE Online
Hi everyone,
for some time now I've been watching EVE:online and thought if it's the right game for me. I'm a very casual player, can play maybe 2-3 evenings a week.
What I would like to do in EVE is:
- Exploration
- Mining
- Science
- Industry
What I really don't want is:
- PVP (really hate it)
- too much fighting
I would like to play nice and easy, mining ores and producing something. Is that play style possible? I read that you loose your ship if it gets destroyed (what a surprise 
), how much of a setback is that?
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If you don't want to PvP, then EVE is probably not for you. I enjoyed mining quite a bit, it's very relaxing and if you do it right you don't even really have to pay attention. However, people WILL grief you and you WILL lose ships, one way or another. EVE is first and foremost a PvP game, and it will never ever let you forget that.
As far as setbacks, it depends on what you're willing to lose. Fly a smaller ship (especially while mining) and you will severely limit yourself, however larger ships are exponentially more expensive and if it's valuable enough, people will suicide bomb you just for giggles.
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if u dont like pvp, eve is NOT for you
u may not like pvp, but the rest of the server do, so u are going to be fragged and podded oftenly
Thanks for the quick reply.
I think I will just download the trial version and try it out for 2 weeks.
if you want to avoid pvp never enter a system below 0.5 security. ever. do not fly around on autopilot with expensive (100million isk +) in your cargohold unless your ship is very strong. do not take anything from anyone else's can, do not "take back your ore" if you get canflipped, and do not shoot at ore theives.
Yes, you can play with that style. While it is a pvp based game, your part in PvP is avoiding the combat (this is still PvP). There are bunch of ways that you can avoid loosing your ship, you will need to learn a bit and think about things like legality of actions, legal aggression and security status of systems. so that you succeed down that path.
Loosing a ship is not much of a problem initially as they are cheep and insurable when you start.
you can play exactly how you're wanting to, as expressed in the op. with one caveat - you have to play intelligently.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I played EvE with two characters on two different accounts. One was a miner/trader, the other a hauler. This is a long post but I hope to give you some insight.
There are a few things to know:
1) In my 2+ years of playing the game, I lost 1 shuttle and 1 pod, ever due to PvP. I did not keep exclusively to high sec either. All of my other ship losses were due to combat missions lol
If you play *intelligently*, you can avoid a lot of PvP combat, but that means swallowing your pride and learning get-the-hell-outta-here-yesterday skills. It also means sometimes to let things go even if they nark you. One thing though, you don't just lose your ship in EvE, you stand to lose your cargo aaaaand if the player(s) PvPing you are in a particular mood they might pod you too. Being blown up/podded is very 'painful' in EvE...
2) Science is difficult to get into straight away as a new player. It would be very very hard to make ISKs at first, and ISK gaining is an important part of EvE's gameplay. Science takes a long time to do. Not least are the skill requirements that go into making a decent research character time-consuming and expensive, but you have to plan out your character in order to compete well with older characters. You will have to run missions to get in good with the R&D agents who are accessible based on your character's faction. You'll also have to wait in queues for a long time to get into the research labs in NPC stations. Invention is the hardest part, but necessary for Tech 2 research and manufacturing which takes even more time, skills and lotsa lotsa ISKs! I'm serious, you'll need billions and billions of ISK in order to do it and therefore some sort of really good ISK-earning support. Science itself is casual-friendly, since you can stay in a queue and do your research offline, but you have to consider how much you'd have to play to earn the ISKs to support your Science habit.
3) Mining is easier to get into because it requires overall less ISK investment if you're careful with your ships and ore. There are *great* mining guides on the official EvE forums. I recommend looking at those if you haven't already. There are a few big issues with mining though: first, a lot of players do it... quite a few are old characters so you have to compete with all of them not just to get to roids but also for getting good prices on your ore; second, you *will* be pestered by ore thieves; third, hauling is a major logistical block for a lot of miners, especially if you are using just one account and soloing your mining operation. Let's look at these issues in a bit more detail. A lot of your time will be spent not just on mining itself, but also on investigating the markets as often as possible to know where to sell ore. Why is hauling such a problem? Because your ore is vulnerable to getting pilfered if you don't haul it back regularly. Mining ships generally have small cargo holds. That means you'll want to haul your huge ore volumes in a hauler. Hauling solo is inefficient time-wise as well as the very strong possibility of your can getting knicked while you're switching ships in the station, so a lot of people overcome this by making a second account that has a dedicated hauler on it. This is not cool since you have to pay for 2 accounts, but corps tend to be less reliable for staging mining operations and if you get into an industrial corp they might ask to take some of your ore yields in return for helping you. Mining can be casual friendly, but not if you want to be as efficient as possible at earning ISKs from it.
4) Combat PvP: don't worry about it too much if you're in high sec. You will have to deal with ore thieves, especially in popular systems. You will also have to deal with suicide pilots who blow up haulers at gates and just outside stations if they're being slow and stupid. Unless you go to low sec (0.1-0.4 sec) or 0.0, you shouldn't have a problem. The lower the sec rating, the more lucrative the ore. Later on, you might want to engage in player politics to get at the really good stuff.
5) Exploration is an ISK sink and not easy to get into as a new player either. However, if you have a good Science base, and good manufacturing skills, you can generate your own probes which curbs costs a little. It's not easy because again you have to compete with other players in the system you're exploring. If they get there first, you're s.o.l. I actually recommend going for Trade in your list rather than or before you get into exploration. Trade will help you regardless of being an Industrial or Science character.
Here's the hub of the problem: EvE is all about PvP. It's not just about combat PvP, it's about market PvP, competition between players for exploration sites, complexes, asteroids to mine, etc, etc. If you don't like competition, this game is absolutely not for you. I can't get from your OP if you dislike competition in general or just dislike combat PvP. If you are a casual player, you might be unpleasantly surprised how uncasual EvE can be. Yes, you can take a stab here and a stab there, do things offline, etc. It depends on how 'good' at the game you want to be. If you just want something to pass your time with, EvE might be the answer. But if you want to be a great ISK earner, which is what you'd have to be if you go with Invention and Science, you'd have to spend a lot of time on the game.
I wish you all the luck
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Quite a nice posr APR--as a new player myself--I have some questions,
I don't quite understand the whole explorer occupation. How is it that if someone gets to the spot before me Im SoL? Is it because they sell that information before me. How do Explorers make money? Could you talk about that a bit please.
Im also not clear on how two accounts saves time when hauling ore?
When you talk about thieves--do you mean players blowing up your ship and taking the cargo, if so, how do they do that in high sec space? Doesn't Concord prevent that?
When you say pilifred-does that mean that your ore disinigrates after a certain amount of time?
Also im not sure what you meant by your inventory getting Knicked by switching ships? Could you say a few words about that as well please.
Im wondering about corps and mining operations, what ive read is that it's best to have a corp for that in low sec space -and that a corp would provided protection and perhaps hauling escorts...again this is just from EvE wiki which may be dated, but I pictured giant exhumers being escorted and helped by a corp and everything organised--is that not the reality?
That was a great post--I just need some answers to bring in all together in my head--Thanks for posting, i know you wrote a lot---and I need more-lol.
All those gameplay features you listed as liking are indirect pvp anyway.
While you hate Direct pvp sometimes it can't be avoided in Eve but over time you learn the tricks and can stay Direct pvp free.
Also I know players that have a very enjoyable game experience Trading and mining in Eve.
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Ah....I see
Okay...thanks for the info.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Well im not sure i have the patience for exploring that's forsure lol. I can see that im going to have to try a few things to "find myself"--I suppose I'll hit up EvE University, perhaps that will give me some direction.
Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
Right Now Eve-Uni is at WAR. someone Paid a merc corp to WAr with them for the next 3-4 weeks (This is the rumor). This was done to take advantage of the newbs that will be joining Eve on march 10th.
Uni does not recruit while At war.
I suggest joining Eve university public chat (use it as a third help channel) and get into recruitment channel and join a high sec corp that helps train new players.
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Right Now Eve-Uni is at WAR. someone Paid a merc corp to WAr with them for the next 3-4 weeks (This is the rumor). This was done to take advantage of the newbs that will be joining Eve on march 10th.
Uni does not recruit while At war.
I suggest joining Eve university public chat (use it as a third help channel) and get into recruitment channel and join a high sec corp that helps train new players.
I actually checked into this a few minutes ago on their channel.
I was told that they were at war
But the good news is that it ends tomorrow
Right Now Eve-Uni is at WAR. someone Paid a merc corp to WAr with them for the next 3-4 weeks (This is the rumor). This was done to take advantage of the newbs that will be joining Eve on march 10th.
Uni does not recruit while At war.
I suggest joining Eve university public chat (use it as a third help channel) and get into recruitment channel and join a high sec corp that helps train new players.
I actually checked into this a few minutes ago on their channel.
I was told that they were at war
But the good news is that it ends tomorrow
Awesome then the four week Wardec rumor was false.
Thats great news for new recruits.
I actually Hang on the Eve uni chat when im bored.
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