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There is no shutting down of servers going on or planned, not sure where you got that information from.
Vodka Absolute:
"Bottom line everyone pretty much refused to acknowledge much if any roll at all lucas arts plays in what goes on in the past or present. I said before and I will say it again. Yes they changed a game and were working on an engine, but these people were employed by a company to build a game. No one ever seems to be able to fathom or reason why they were creating a new combat system in the first place."
When using certain words, for example; always, never, everyone, all, and ever; that is being absolute. Essentially by your quote above, you have implied that everyone does not belief Lucas Arts had a major roll and that is false. Everyone does not believe in that. Coming from the so called "vocal minority of burnt vets," I can assure you not everyone within that camp does believes in that either. By using such absolute statements, discredit to your arguments only brings.
Unproven Facts:
"IN fact a lot of people make very large attempts to seperate the two and rationalize their support and purchasing of pc games from lucas arts."
One of the examples that I have decided to quote. Such a statement is an unproven fact. This is more based on perception than facts. I would like to see how this factual conclusion was founded. Do not confuse facts with perception or opinions.
The Flamed Victim Card:
"I got flamed to hell for asking actually flamed beyond words and it was quite an eye opener at the time.
I got flamed when asking what do YOU the singular think that means.
I"m taking my insomnia and attempting to fall asleep again."
This happens in the world when having conversations with some people of who only talk about their hardships, pain, "oh woe is me" stories. For example, meeting someone and just about 1 to 2 minutes into the conversation, the people talks about a certain condition, a bad back or knee, weight problem, can't stand up for too long because of a hip replacement that was done ten years ago because of an car accident, which not only resulted in a crushed pelvis, like totally, but like also a bummed leg you know, and these scars here on the arm, like oh my God are very horrifying to look at, like, that's why I don't wear tank tops, you know.
And hopefully as demonstrated with that last run-on valley sentence there, should provide a turn-off sensation. While playing a role of a victim, the case one is trying to build breaks down and ends up discrediting one's self. I would like to help with work, but I can't because of my hip, which did I tell you what happened to my hip...
Shooting One's Self in the Foot:
"... meanwhile since I"m not debating I guess I "lost" dunno. It was a simple statement made as a follow up comments to someone elses statement about lucas arts having some say in what happened to the game and why the changes took place at all. "
Think about this... Really, Think About It.
A simple statement that goes on for many paragraphs, spanning multiple posts; does not make for a simple statement. Also by taking much time and effort with this matter, while expressing one's viewpoints, which differs from others... Is Debating.
Exaggerations:
"The forum they started with at launch had if i can remember millions of members. They sold millions of copies yet only a few hundred thousand logged in (less then a million). From that few hundred thousand only (what in comparison to what should have happened ) a handful actualy stayed 200-300k depending upon the source you quote (at launch) from there it declined further and after 12 months the population decline was on many servers quite obvious. "
/toss BS Flag
There has never (yes I know, "never" is an absolute word, but in this case, it is warranted and has been proven) been millions of members for SWG, even on the forums. Only just over a million copies have been sold and the Lithium forum board can not support a million accounts at a time.
The truth is that from Launch until no latter than of March of the following year, the subscriber population had grown. After spring, the number of subscribers canceling began to exceed the number of new subscribers and would continue to do so to the present day.
Now to the "Simple Statement":
"I asked the question not long ago 6-8 months about why does no one place at least equal blame on lucas arts and why do people still purchase lucas arts games like the stand alone pc games or even the bioware ones since they do have a fair involvment in the actual game creation process."
First off, this is a poor question statement by using the absolute of "no one" when that is not the case. I will not comment for others, as I have not read that topic, nor care to. As for me, the last LA game I purchased was Battle Front. Since then, no SOE, LA or for that matter EA games. Sure I may be missing out, but I have learned about games from smaller publishers and have enjoyed them.
Now had you just made one paragraph with the "simple statement", then I would have replied with just that last paragraph of mine. And not much of a debate it would have been.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Wouldn't you like to know.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Vodka Absolute:
"Bottom line everyone pretty much refused to acknowledge much if any roll at all lucas arts plays in what goes on in the past or present. I said before and I will say it again. Yes they changed a game and were working on an engine, but these people were employed by a company to build a game. No one ever seems to be able to fathom or reason why they were creating a new combat system in the first place."
When using certain words, for example; always, never, everyone, all, and ever; that is being absolute. Essentially by your quote above, you have implied that everyone does not belief Lucas Arts had a major roll and that is false. Everyone does not believe in that. Coming from the so called "vocal minority of burnt vets," I can assure you not everyone within that camp does believes in that either. By using such absolute statements, discredit to your arguments only brings.
Unproven Facts:
"IN fact a lot of people make very large attempts to seperate the two and rationalize their support and purchasing of pc games from lucas arts."
One of the examples that I have decided to quote. Such a statement is an unproven fact. This is more based on perception than facts. I would like to see how this factual conclusion was founded. Do not confuse facts with perception or opinions.
The Flamed Victim Card:
"I got flamed to hell for asking actually flamed beyond words and it was quite an eye opener at the time.
I got flamed when asking what do YOU the singular think that means.
I"m taking my insomnia and attempting to fall asleep again."
This happens in the world when having conversations with some people of who only talk about their hardships, pain, "oh woe is me" stories. For example, meeting someone and just about 1 to 2 minutes into the conversation, the people talks about a certain condition, a bad back or knee, weight problem, can't stand up for too long because of a hip replacement that was done ten years ago because of an car accident, which not only resulted in a crushed pelvis, like totally, but like also a bummed leg you know, and these scars here on the arm, like oh my God are very horrifying to look at, like, that's why I don't wear tank tops, you know.
And hopefully as demonstrated with that last run-on valley sentence there, should provide a turn-off sensation. While playing a role of a victim, the case one is trying to build breaks down and ends up discrediting one's self. I would like to help with work, but I can't because of my hip, which did I tell you what happened to my hip...
Shooting One's Self in the Foot:
"... meanwhile since I"m not debating I guess I "lost" dunno. It was a simple statement made as a follow up comments to someone elses statement about lucas arts having some say in what happened to the game and why the changes took place at all. "
Think about this... Really, Think About It.
A simple statement that goes on for many paragraphs, spanning multiple posts; does not make for a simple statement. Also by taking much time and effort with this matter, while expressing one's viewpoints, which differs from others... Is Debating.
Exaggerations:
"The forum they started with at launch had if i can remember millions of members. They sold millions of copies yet only a few hundred thousand logged in (less then a million). From that few hundred thousand only (what in comparison to what should have happened ) a handful actualy stayed 200-300k depending upon the source you quote (at launch) from there it declined further and after 12 months the population decline was on many servers quite obvious. "
/toss BS Flag
There has never (yes I know, "never" is an absolute word, but in this case, it is warranted and has been proven) been millions of members for SWG, even on the forums. Only just over a million copies have been sold and the Lithium forum board can not support a million accounts at a time.
The truth is that from Launch until no latter than of March of the following year, the subscriber population had grown. After spring, the number of subscribers canceling began to exceed the number of new subscribers and would continue to do so to the present day.
Now to the "Simple Statement":
"I asked the question not long ago 6-8 months about why does no one place at least equal blame on lucas arts and why do people still purchase lucas arts games like the stand alone pc games or even the bioware ones since they do have a fair involvment in the actual game creation process."
First off, this is a poor question statement by using the absolute of "no one" when that is not the case. I will not comment for others, as I have not read that topic, nor care to. As for me, the last LA game I purchased was Battle Front. Since then, no SOE, LA or for that matter EA games. Sure I may be missing out, but I have learned about games from smaller publishers and have enjoyed them.
Now had you just made one paragraph with the "simple statement", then I would have replied with just that last paragraph of mine. And not much of a debate it would have been.
hehe well since suvroc posted the actual number afterwards not sure what your up to. From the info I had this is what i knew. Suvroc posted that by 2006 they sold 1 million copies so not sure what the problem is. I guess you want to debate. I put in my two cents and suvroc updated the info with a link. No bs here onl you wanting to win an agrument that did not exist
have fun in that
oh yeah i didn't read past the first rebuttal since more information had been posted that was more accurate then what I had read (which by the way came from people on these forums) just thought I would add that in there so your not under any illusion that i read past about half way down ...
Wouldn't you like to know.
My educated guess like most people is that this is the first step to server shutdowns. The dregs of remainders will eventually be "moved" to some server sony chooses for you. Since its better to have a choice of where you want to go I would choose. Lord knows most of us don't want to end up on bria so people chose. The rest are either not wanting to move because they have old systems that they dont want to put under anymore stress the necessary or like to play swg as a single player game (not sure why people like that , but they do).
Meanwhile from what I see your working hard to "debate" so go for it. 'tis always fun to watch someone work at something like this and the others kinda watch .
In any event I would say it would be nice to know so who told you this? cause I would like to go ask more questions like when this will happen so that I can tell the remainder of friends I have that want to stay on dead servers to hurry up and come already!
lemme know when you want to stop "debating" I will gladdly have an exchange of gossip and or info with you aside from that I trully am not interested in this so called debating which to me is just another word for troling in the purrest form.
"hehe well since suvroc posted the actual number afterwards not sure what your up to."
I'm not sure what you are up to either, you keep bouncing over the radar not making sense.
" I guess you want to debate."
We are and have been debating.
We both have differing viewpoints and go back and forth with points and counter-points.
If you do not believe this to be the case, I recommend taking a public speaking course for self-knowledge.
"In any event I would say it would be nice to know so who told you this? cause I would like to go ask more questions like when this will happen so that I can tell the remainder of friends I have that want to stay on dead servers to hurry up and come already!"
Ok, I got my information from... oh, you almost got me there.
Gee, how hard can it be to figure out that a person who works in the industry can have a network of contacts and friends. But don't worry, be happy. By your viewpoint, I just like to debate/troll so believe me not; put thy faith and trust with SOE and LA, for they speak with carefully crafted words.
"lemme know when you want to stop "debating" I will gladdly have an exchange of gossip and or info with you aside from that I trully am not interested in this so called debating which to me is just another word for troling in the purrest form."
/toss BS Flag
You are interested in this, or otherwise you would have not bothered to be replying with multiple postings, a couple of which are long winded. You are just as guilty as I am if you consider this to be trolling.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
So...
is there anytime soon when you will be letting us know your sources so that one of us can bend his ear about when the servers that they just emptied will be closing? or are we stil debating?
that's about all im interested in right now cause as I said I have some friends who refuse to move on low pop servers and I need some information to give them cause right now they are happy to go down with the ship as it were.
As a matter of fact it was Lucasarts pushing for the NGE since they wasn´t happy with the number of subscriptions.
As a matter of fact it was Lucasarts pushing for the NGE since they wasn´t happy with the number of subscriptions.
That is false. LEC didn't push for the NGE specifically. The NGE was soley the brainchild of SOE. All LEC asked them to do was to do something about the falling subs.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
I had to laugh at that.
While the game has improved and some people find it enjoyable, it in no way resembles the Star Wars films. In fact it hasn't for many years, unless you saw a bunch of Jedi running around Mos Eisley, Ewok valentines, Clone Wars-era spacecraft, and aliens in stormtrooper armor.
I could on with the list of continuity absurdities, but you get the idea. Its fine to enjoy the game, but don't misrepresent it as a place to be immersed in the lore of the films, it unequivocally isn't.
I had to laugh at that.
While the game has improved and some people find it enjoyable, it in no way resembles the Star Wars films. In fact it hasn't for many years, unless you saw a bunch of Jedi running around Mos Eisley, Ewok valentines, Clone Wars-era spacecraft, and aliens in stormtrooper armor.
I could on with the list of continuity absurdities, but you get the idea. Its fine to enjoy the game, but don't misrepresent it as a place to be immersed in the lore of the films, it unequivocally isn't.
I must have missed the movie with the flying Pink ewoks and the "PWND JU LOLZ!!" Jedi faction. And people mowing down "low level" STs in pink hot pants. Wonder why I never saw those things?
Notice how that the farther SWG goes from its original incarnation, the fewer people play. Not the only reason, I am sure, but likely one of the big ones.
I had to laugh at that.
While the game has improved and some people find it enjoyable, it in no way resembles the Star Wars films. In fact it hasn't for many years, unless you saw a bunch of Jedi running around Mos Eisley, Ewok valentines, Clone Wars-era spacecraft, and aliens in stormtrooper armor.
I could on with the list of continuity absurdities, but you get the idea. Its fine to enjoy the game, but don't misrepresent it as a place to be immersed in the lore of the films, it unequivocally isn't.
I must have missed the movie with the flying Pink ewoks and the "PWND JU LOLZ!!" Jedi faction. And people mowing down "low level" STs in pink hot pants. Wonder why I never saw those things?
Notice how that the farther SWG goes from its original incarnation, the fewer people play. Not the only reason, I am sure, but likely one of the big ones.
cupid ewoks about sums your future for swg in more than one way, as soon as bioware brings in their game its all but over and the fanbois will still cling to tcg as savoir denial !
SWG also allows players the freedom to play out their own Star Wars story in the timeline of the original trilogy. There are no restrictions on players imaginations.
SWG also allows players the freedom to play out their own Star Wars story in the timeline of the original trilogy. There are no restrictions on players imaginations.
Flying Pink Ewoks.
Ghosts and trick or treat scarecrows from a few months ago.
What Star Wars stories are those from?
SWG also allows players the freedom to play out their own Star Wars story in the timeline of the original trilogy. There are no restrictions on players imaginations.
Flying Pink Ewoks.
Ghosts and trick or treat scarecrows from a few months ago.
What Star Wars stories are those from?
Apparently, there are no limitations or restrictions on the devs' imagination (or copy & paste) either.
SWG also allows players the freedom to play out their own Star Wars story in the timeline of the original trilogy. There are no restrictions on players imaginations.
What you describe is what we had pre-NGE.
The NGE put player imagination as a very low priority over directed content. Hence one of the reasons for 9 professions, jedi as a starter prof, etc.
As for sticking with the timeline...you should probably not go there.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
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"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
There has been a steady increase in players joining and returning to SWG, Chapter 11 was a deciding factor and more players return with every publish.
Veterans are returning on the veteran trial, moving their characters with the Free CTS and subscribing. New players are downloading the free trial and then subscribing.
Even before the Free CTS, you could see a quite intimidating increase in the number of players in SWG, having been used to rather lower levels of population it's rather daunting when you consider that all these players, with all their different styles of gameplay and pet feature requests now need to co-exist in such an infamous game, but it seems to be going very well.