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Entropia Universe is not a game of Gambling

You can think as much as you want but In the end Entropia is NOT gambling and that is a fact!

In Sweden  the government has a monopoly on gambling related activity. And they also have a agency with the task to inspect new companys on the market and ensure that there are no gambling involved.

And MindArk, beeing a company in sweden gothenburg, was made a visit by this agency. MA had to give them full insight in the system (such as the loots etc.) so that they could give them either thumbs up or down (in which case they would have to and their business).

And if this agency with all cards on the table decided that EU is NOT to be labelled as gambling, who are we to beg the differ?

The name of the agency is "lotteriinspektionen" (the lottery-inspection) for your information. Call them or email them and ask them yourself.

their site:

www.lotteriinsp.se/sv/Gaming-Board-for-Sweden----1/

 

the only reason why it may seem like gambling to some, is because the game requires much more then just clicking on a mob to kill it.  Its not for young kids who are ignorant in life and play mmo games with elves that shoot fireballs from their ass's to level up.  Entropia requires you to understand the game, there is a dynamic system which you need to understand and to use it to play in a clever manner.

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  • Nytewolf2k7Nytewolf2k7 Member Posts: 181

     

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  • AethiosAethios Member Posts: 1,527
    Originally posted by Nytewolf2k7 

    The people representing mindark who claim its a good substitute for income

     

    This is the biggest one, IMO. Every ad for Entropia I have seen advertises people who have quit their jobs and made a fortune off the game, buying houses and paying their own way through college, etc etc. They also advertise being able to put money in, play the game, and maybe get money back out at a later date (which is pretty much the definition of gambling).

    Just because "there's a system" doesn't make it any different than gambling, because all gambling has a "system" in place that can be gamed. In fact, many casinos will kick you out for discovering these systems and trying to exploit them. Entropia encourages you to exploit these systems; that's great, but it's still gambling.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,154

    LOL dude ,you been living under a rock?Illegal activities go on all the time ,right under the face of the law.They do it by sneaky means,that will not DIRECTLY point the finger at them.It is like the illegal movies and videos online.The sites just host,they do not carry files or anything that will link themsleves to lawsuits.

    It has been WELL known for a long time,that real money is involved in Entropia,weather you call it gambling or whatever i don't care.

    As for the game it is horrible,not worth a few hours of time to get to learn all of it.I wasted 2 hours of my time.There is a few games like this and a new one opening up that are geared towards older gamers with real money trading activities.I believe the other game is called Second Life and there is a few others.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • Renton81Renton81 Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by Nytewolf2k7


    What about the other gaming commissions in the other 190 countries, what is their verdict?
    People need to make up their own mind, but it stinks to high heaven of not exactly good dealings.

    This company (MindArk) was investigated and accused of using illegal software several years ago, google it.

    I have, searched for a whole half an hour - theres nothing on this.  Clearly more rumours you've just conjured up, or would you like to prove me wrong?

    This company advertises services that DO NOT WORK! Cash Cards are an example.

    They don't actively advertise the cash card either.  Another occassion where you're just manipulating facts.  They said they will soon bring one out with the introduction of the new worlds and Cryengine.  You can still withdraw money out easily.
     

    Ingame ads that talk about features in the game that were removed. The evidence is there...

    examples? more vagueness i see...

    The ads ingame that practically promise instant richness...

    It doesnt practically promise richness, the advertisments casually talk through the different possibilities that you can experience ingame.  It doesnt at any one point emphasize one part from the other (like looting high riches)... it just mentions that it happens ingame.  What most people keep thinking, hence probably why they think its gambling is that its not a simple point and click game where you just kill one mob after the other.  There is dynamic system inbuilt within loot, which changes throughout time.  There are certain parts of the days, where its good to hunt a certain type of mob, and there are certain times when you know when to stop.  The game needs to be scrutinized much more if you don't wanna end up just depositing and losing the peds straight away.

    The people representing mindark who claim its a good substitute for income

    LOL They don't say give up your day job and play the game.  All you have done so far is manipulate the perspective of entropia.  Most of the time when various story's have been mentiond in relation to people earning and winning big riches frorm the game, is mostly from press.  They don't actually have it on the front of their main page saying "this person earns this much, and that person earns that much".  The only people who have the misconception that they will earn a yearly salary from playing this game are mostly those who play stricly F2P games previously.  No one is asking you to spend millions of dollars ont the game, it can easily be played casually with casual deposits.  Sure loot can be bad at times but it can be good too, you just need to play intuitively.
     

     

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  • DahlifyrDahlifyr Member UncommonPosts: 134

    The cashcard is still being advertised even though the former cashcard was terminated´, and it has been like this for years now. Yet the CEO of MA Jan Welter Timkrans states in every fucking intervjuve that the cashcard is there.

    It takes you atleast 2-3 month to take out youre money if you decide to.

    MA and some CO company was investigated a couple of years ago.

    There has been promesing of several things in EU for the last 3 years, none to be implemented.

    And the advertising of making money just shows what kind of company MA  is!

    And dont forget the endless grining, this game have just about zero gameplay, everything is about grinding. Sure, you can join an event but in the end that is just more grind but with a some more people.

    The only thing it has, is the addictive gambling part with the RCE. But as a MMO, it fails.

    To sumarise it quickley: Grind away and become greedy. No fun at all, no chance in hell to loot all parts from even an lowrare armor. All highend items just change owner between the same players/resellers. The grinding is just horrific, crafting=grind, Hunting=grind, mining=dont even go there. It fails in any way compared to any MMO out there(maybe not the f2p ones)

  • Nytewolf2k7Nytewolf2k7 Member Posts: 181

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  • AlphaGeekAlphaGeek Member Posts: 190

    Well, I'm not gonna research 190 countries laws to provide you with that answer. Why don't you do that research and report back to us?

    I think what you'll find is that since payment is not required to get in-game cash (TBH though...it ain't easy to get sizeable amounts this way. Damnit, Jim...it's a MMORPG, not a free moeny machine!) that technically it isn't gambling by the legal definition most use.

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  • DarkanerDarkaner Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Nytewolf2k7


    What about the other gaming commissions in the other 190 countries, what is their verdict?
    People need to make up their own mind, but it stinks to high heaven of not exactly good dealings.

    This company (MindArk) was investigated and accused of using illegal software several years ago, google it. Here are some links:



    http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2006/05/project_entropi.html
    http://au.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/projectentropia/news.html?sid=61212


    This company advertises services that DO NOT WORK! Cash Cards are an example.

    Not actively I know, they do offer near-instant withdrawls if you hold one, but still its advertised ingame and does not work!


    Ingame ads that talk about features in the game that were removed. The evidence is there...

    Namely, the Clothing shops and other things


    The ads ingame that (in my opinion) practically promise instant richness...

    Maybe I'm overreacting, but I've made no money WORTH withdrawing...


    The people representing mindark who claim its a good substitute (or supplement) for income

    I've found it to be a massive money sink, after doing everything the way others have suggested for 1 and a half years and still losing in the region of $2000 US, making 15 ped back at the end, YAY!
    My partner put $100 and lost it within 2 months.



     

     

    Microsoft accused them of using unlicensed software, but they didn't and were freed in court. Lawsuits happen all the time, so this is a complete bullshit reason for why you shouldn't play EU.

    The other points are valid though, especially how MA markets the game as something you make money from.

  • Nytewolf2k7Nytewolf2k7 Member Posts: 181

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  • DashNightDashNight Member Posts: 11

    I haven't logged in here for a few days and come back to this? You are completely delusional and have been either living somewhere apart from earth or you lack the education to determine what gambling is. Paying money into anything to try and win more = gambling. Paying money into slot machines to win more = gambling. Yes despite what you say think or write EU is a game of gambling. As for your research you still are blinded by MA's crap.  So why don't you go and REALLY do some research and get back to us with your findings. We all play EU and we all deposit in to EU but the FACT of the matter is we all know it is a gamble. Anyone with half a brain can work that out.

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  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    1gam·ble Listen to the pronunciation of 1gamble

    Pronunciation:

    ?gam-b?l

    Function:

    verb

    Inflected Form(s):

    gam·bled; gam·bling Listen to the pronunciation of gambling -b(?-)li?

    Etymology:

    probably back-formation from gambler, probably alteration of obsolete gamner, from obsolete gamen to play

    Date:

    1772

    intransitive verb

    1 a: to play a game for money or property b: to bet on an uncertain outcome

    2: to stake something on a contingency : take a chance

    transitive verb

    1: to risk by gambling : wager

    2: venture , hazard

    — gam·bler Listen to the pronunciation of gambler -bl?r noun

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    EU sure as hell sounds like gambling to me.

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  • deewdeew Member Posts: 1


    www.lotteriinsp.se/sv/Gaming-Board-for-Sweden----1/
     
    the only reason why it may seem like gambling to some, is because the game requires much more then just clicking on a mob to kill it.  Its not for young kids who are ignorant in life and play mmo games with elves that shoot fireballs from their ass's to level up.  Entropia requires you to understand the game, there is a dynamic system which you need to understand and to use it to play in a clever manner.

     

    so,fanboi,are you even aware that the  inspection was done long BEFORE Mindark "balanced" the system with no looters and later on with rigged advertisement 100++k aths etc?

    on a personal note,some swede should really tell those guys to do a proper job next time they inspect something...

  • avneetavneet Member Posts: 68

    LOL fanboys are too funny sometimes. I've been playing EU for 5 years. You know, back when it was actually fun and you didn't loose everything you have in a day? You are kidding yourself if you say it's not gambling. It's such a rip off it's not even funny. About 2-3 years ago there were game designers who played EU and now have created their own game. It's in alpha stage and I've been a tester for 2 years. That game is going to kill EU out of the water.

    It's open testing for those of you curious. Might as well post here because entropiaforum.com is run by MA and the censor all.

    Site is www.afterworld.ru

    It's in alpha and already you can see MA will fail.

     

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  • Nytewolf2k7Nytewolf2k7 Member Posts: 181
    Originally posted by avneet


    LOL fanboys are too funny sometimes. I've been playing EU for 5 years. You know, back when it was actually fun and you didn't loose everything you have in a day? You are kidding yourself if you say it's not gambling. It's such a rip off it's not even funny. About 2-3 years ago there were game designers who played EU and now have created their own game. It's in alpha stage and I've been a tester for 2 years. That game is going to kill EU out of the water.
    It's open testing for those of you curious. Might as well post here because entropiaforum.com is run by MA and the censor all.
    Site is www.afterworld.ru
    It's in alpha and already you can see MA will fail.

    Bet you can guess where I've gone

    Viva La Afterworld

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  • SoulPTSoulPT Member UncommonPosts: 15

    Hail ppl,



    I played EU from the beginning and I agree the game was much better before... Although I usually pass several months without logging in to the game I was able to duplicate the money I have put in it (I wasted 20$ on the game (200 PED) and now I have more than 500 PED in my game account) and that proves that you CAN make money from it although if you play like I do you will probably die of old age before you get rich with it.

     

    Even so, the game is still fun and I still play it whenever I need to relax a bit from normal day to day stuff.

    EU will die soon though if they don't improve the game, it's graphics engine is really old and I doubt it is attracting any new players and the amount of time and patience required for you to evolve you char past the "newbie" point is so extreme that it makes the game unplayable to anyone used to the normal hack & slash games.

    P.S- What is this about AfterWorld?? How come I haven't heard of this game before and why is it not in the MMORPG.COM game list??? Definitely gonna try it out!

     

     

  • avneetavneet Member Posts: 68

    "EU will die soon"

    Quoted for the truth. If they don't get their greed fixed this will happen. Esp/ with mindark spliting too.

    Reason you ahven't heard about Afterworld is because we get banned when we put it in Entropiaforums(even off topic). I wonder why =P And reason it's not on site yet is because it's still alpha and not beta.

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    "Entropia Universe is not a game of Gambling"

     

    Thanks for the laugh, I really needed it.

  • Renton81Renton81 Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by Zorvan


    "Entropia Universe is not a game of Gambling"
     
    Thanks for the laugh, I really needed it.

     

    And what are you basing your "laugh" upon? Nothing! Exactly :) I'm basing it on hardcore proof.  You can actually call them up or email the company yourself and find out for yourself.  Thats what you call up front evidence! Ranomly laughing doesnt explaining anything.

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Renton81

    Originally posted by Zorvan


    "Entropia Universe is not a game of Gambling"
     
    Thanks for the laugh, I really needed it.

     

    And what are you basing your "laugh" upon? Nothing! Exactly :) I'm basing it on hardcore proof.  You can actually call them up or email the company yourself and find out for yourself.  Thats what you call up front evidence! Ranomly laughing doesnt explaining anything.

     

    Calling or e-mailing the company and asking them if their game is a gambling game is upfront evidence? Maybe I should call Enron and ask if the really had a finacial scandal?

    All you need to do to know it's a gambling game is play the POS, which I have.

  • avneetavneet Member Posts: 68

    LOL exactly. How about you try playing it and then see if you still think it's not gambling. Go on one hunt with all your money and you will be broke. Have fun =P

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  • Renton81Renton81 Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by avneet


    LOL exactly. How about you try playing it and then see if you still think it's not gambling. Go on one hunt with all your money and you will be broke. Have fun =P

     

    I do play, i've been playing the game for 4 years now and its great. And if you see, i'm actually the OP of this thread.  You're not suppose to play the game with every last dollar that you have.  You can deposit as much and as less as you want to.  And as someone has previously pointed out in a past thread (i think its on page 2 or 3 now) you can even play comforably with even just $30 a month, even less if you clever at playing.

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Renton81

    Originally posted by avneet


    LOL exactly. How about you try playing it and then see if you still think it's not gambling. Go on one hunt with all your money and you will be broke. Have fun =P

     

    I do play, i've been playing the game for 4 years now and its great. And if you see, i'm actually the OP of this thread.  You're not suppose to play the game with every last dollar that you have.  You can deposit as much and as less as you want to.  And as someone has previously pointed out in a past thread (i think its on page 2 or 3 now) you can even play comforably with even just $30 a month, even less if you clever at playing.

     

    And again, your "hardcore proof" is the Swedish lottery inspector. You know, there's a reason criminals love Swiss bank accounts.

    Tell ya what, get MindArk to open up their system to U.S. inspectors, and see if they get to keep marketing to us.

  • Renton81Renton81 Member Posts: 92

    young minds of today :)

    If you actually contact this lottery inspection company, the information they will tell you will shut you up.  I was sceptical in the early days of when i played as well - saying that its a Casino.  Then some guy on forum made a thread which started similar to mine.  He gave the link to contact the inspection company, and coz i was curious i enquired.  I even phoned them (took a while to get to the right person) and they layed it out to me as it was.... and once you hear what they say in the exact words they did to me, thats when you realise to just shut up and eat ur words :) happend to me ;)

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  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Renton81


    young minds of today :)
    If you actually contact this lottery inspection company, the information they will tell you will shut you up.  I was sceptical in the early days of when i played as well - saying that its a Casino.  Then some guy on forum made a thread which started similar to mine.  He gave the link to contact the inspection company, and coz i was curious i enquired.  I even phoned them (took a while to get to the right person) and they layed it out to me as it was.... and once you hear what they say in the exact words they did to me, thats when you realise to just shut up and eat ur words :) happend to me ;)

    Like I said, doesn't matter one bit by what the Swiss say. Matters what the rest of the world says. So, you call the rest of the worlds' different gambling commissions, then get back to us when they all say EU is not a gambling game. Because trust me, nothing the Swiss lottery says is going to make me "shut up and eat my words". Neither will you, youngster.

  • Renton81Renton81 Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by Renton81


    young minds of today :)
    If you actually contact this lottery inspection company, the information they will tell you will shut you up.  I was sceptical in the early days of when i played as well - saying that its a Casino.  Then some guy on forum made a thread which started similar to mine.  He gave the link to contact the inspection company, and coz i was curious i enquired.  I even phoned them (took a while to get to the right person) and they layed it out to me as it was.... and once you hear what they say in the exact words they did to me, thats when you realise to just shut up and eat ur words :) happend to me ;)

    Like I said, doesn't matter one bit by what the Swiss say. Matters what the rest of the world says. So, you call the rest of the worlds' different gambling commissions, then get back to us when they all say EU is not a gambling game. Because trust me, nothing the Swiss lottery says is going to make me "shut up and eat my words". Neither will you, youngster.

     

    Why do you keep mentioning Swiss? what has Switzerland got to do with anything? lol  Gambling is plain to see as day.  Clearly this inspection company concluded that EU isnt gambling.  If that much of an obvious decission was made about it,  its logical to think that everyone else would agree.  After all gambling is obvious to identify.  And i have nothing to prove anymore, i've given the name of a well established company who gave the conclusion that EU isnt gambling.  If you want to prove that it is, maybe you should call the hundreds of other countries :) They'll say the same thing.

    You're just basing the gambling theory off of your own frustrations that you've had with Entropia.  What instigated it?  Maybe you played the game with the very last cents that you had, i don't know.  But if you're just basing it on your own personal experiences thats kinda pathetic evidence against it really.

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