No matter what, everyone has to agree that WAR is a much better more polished game than AoC is/was.
That is the biggest pile of crap I have heard in a long time. I was trying to play WAR, but I could not due to disasterlagg and slideshow FPS. I am 30-40 FPS in AOC on high settings. WAR has serious performance issues if they with their outdated graphics (sorry, but it really looks outdated compared to AoC) can't run on same FPS as AoC. I have WAR still on the shelf and will fire it up whenever Mythic get around to fix it, but spare me comments that are so fare off the facts.
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR. Watch that. Think about what you watched. Now answer this simple question: Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game? Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years. Specifically: -24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless. -"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe. -PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail. -Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone? -Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it? -Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system. -Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies) -Economy: very weak (see crafting) -We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc. BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario) WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits) I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back) So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay. (For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
Man, seriously, they need to give you a prize for this being your first post. This rings so true and one reason I'm taking my ass to WOW (was in War beta from begining to end).
Taking them classes out and rushing the game to finished just shook me to the point of stepping down as a admin over at warhammerconflict.com.
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR. Watch that. Think about what you watched. Now answer this simple question: Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game? Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years. Specifically: -24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless. -"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe. -PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail. -Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone? -Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it? -Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system. -Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies) -Economy: very weak (see crafting) -We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc. BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario) WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits) I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back) So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay. (For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
Man, seriously, they need to give you a prize for this being your first post. This rings so true and one reason I'm taking my ass to WOW (was in War beta from begining to end).
Taking them classes out and rushing the game to finished just shook me to the point of stepping down as a admin over at warhammerconflict.com.
Very nice post, and honest
Frankly, you both fail. Not because I love WAR, but because neither of you are making sense. Very short conclusions and opinions, holding no truth, really.
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR. Watch that. Think about what you watched. Now answer this simple question: Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game? Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years. Specifically: -24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless. -"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe. -PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail. -Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone? -Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it? -Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system. -Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies) -Economy: very weak (see crafting) -We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc. BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario) WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits) I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back) So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay. (For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
Good sum up. Even given some variation, reality is a SHADOW of what we were told.
"WOW: casual PVP edition" lol, man that describes it 100%
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR. Watch that. Think about what you watched. Now answer this simple question: Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game? Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years. Specifically: -24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless. -"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe. -PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail. -Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone? -Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it? -Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system. -Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies) -Economy: very weak (see crafting) -We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc. BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario) WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits) I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back) So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay. (For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
Thanks i was too tired to write down why i'm not playing WAR right now. And its a LOT.
I was also expecting more from WAR, but it seriouly lacks in so many places that even with those little details like the ToK (which is not THAT great either) can't save it.
It's fine, many people likes it and will still like it over time, and i'm prety sure it will keep improving, but... as wow, is no more than a carcass of what the game originally advertised.
Its been 6 years? 6 years of hype? 6 years lacking challenging original games. 6 years of promises from ALL the game industry, telling us that his next game is THE NEXT BIG THING and when it comes out... it just sinks in its own hype.
And i'm trying not to barf for all the political propaganda that has assaulted single players games.
Anyways, thanks again for poiniting out every point that made WAR fail for many of us (and for many not)
At the end, the problem with WAR is that, every new and cool feature was toned down, cutted off, never there. That doesn't mean that WAR is an unfinished game. No it has much content in all its tiers and all that.
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR. Watch that. Think about what you watched. Now answer this simple question: Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game? Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years. Specifically: -24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless. -"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe. -PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail. -Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone? -Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it? -Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system. -Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies) -Economy: very weak (see crafting) -We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc. BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario) WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits) I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back) So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay. (For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
Good sum up. Even given some variation, reality is a SHADOW of what we were told.
"WOW: casual PVP edition" lol, man that describes it 100%
That McCain avatar distrubs me... anyway I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
That McCain avatar distrubs me... anyway I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
That McCain avatar distrubs me... anyway I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
That McCain avatar distrubs me... anyway I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
QFT.
Bodypass, please shut your pie-hole. Make opinions by all means, but stop trying to be an authority on why OTHERS dislike this game or should.
I don't tell you why you should not play WoW. If I did you would probably wet yourself. You have a real vendetta against this game, why, I have no idea.
Its not war that is a weak game, it mmorpg's in general that are weak. I wouldnt waste my money playing any of those games on the list..they are all the same thing with a different skin. mmorpg's are weak games and once you have played a few theres no point playing anymore.
I think the game is awesome. Better than any MMORPG I have ever played. If you don't like the game, that's fine. There are plenty of games out there I don't like, but Warhammer Online is the best game i've played in a very long time. I feel bad for you if you think there are better MMOs out there.
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I am absolutely lovin this game. Played wow for 3 years, would never go back. Dont get me wrong I know it has its issues, but every mmo I have ever played had major issues at launch. There were still bugs in SWG when I left (nge) that had been in the game since beta. The WAR devs seem to communicate with the players very well, which is a good sign. I think its probably the same people complaining on this forum that have complained about every new mmo that has come out. Frankly I think you are expecting a miracle. You will go from game to game dissappointed because none will ever live up to your expectations. These games are a work in progress, they evolve. If you think you can really get a feel for an mmo before investing 6 months into it you are kidding yourself. Most people are not even near max level yet so no one knows how the end game will play out. Judging a game without having experienced the end game in its true form just shows a lack of real interest in the game to begin with.
Played: SWG 2.5 years, WoW 4 years Tried: RF Online, Ryzom, Daoc, CoH/CoV, Lotro, Vanguard, Guild Wars Beta Tested: SWG, RF Online, Lotro, Potbs, Tabula Rasa, G&H, Perfect World
I wish these people who complain about this game being a buggy mess, or unfinished could go back in time to WoW's release. I really do. It was just as bad. Please . Shut your mouths about being rushed. Cause your WoW was to. It just happened to be open for 4 years so of course it runs smoother.
Once a loser, always a loser. Once a complainer, always a complainer. Rants a game for being rushed when there pride and joys been rushed and buggy as hell, always a loser and a complainer.
Wow... This game has to be in the top 5 most boring(opinion, I find it fun when I lan it up with 4 friends), least intelligent and biggest let down I have ever played (opinion). And I've played nearly everything. This game makes WoW look difficult (um. WoW is the easiest game to play ever. more so than this). Asian Hack N Slash games are even more challenging. But, the game being 3 year old friendly isn't why I dislike it. EVERYTHING is bugged in one way or another. The game is probably a year from being tuned to finish. There are still items in the game for classes that have long since been removed from the game. ( I have yet to find a KOTBS or Blackguard item drop, or hammer or coppa, are you claiming you found DROPS for these classe? what was the item and where?) Quests make you choose a reward even if there is only 1 reward.(hardly game breaking) Boss mobs sometimes run off only to come back fully healed.(if they reset then yes.. if they run back the healthbar above there headwill say full health but they will still be at <5%) Targetting system is unreliable. blah blah blah...I could go on and on mentioning every aspect of the game. Scenerios, bugged(my scenarios work fine)... Guild system (I love my 120+ member guild none of my guildies are bugged), bugged.... Alliance system, bugged (again working for me)... Your mastery tree gives bonus to abilities 3 levels before you can even get the ability to take advantage of the bonus. WHAT?!?!? (of course.. your mastery tree gives you bonuses to all abilities that fall under that catagory, wether you have them or not.. its actually pretty simple to understand sorry it buggs you that it says it efects all "vengeance" abilities and you still dont' have one vengeance ability yet) The community, you ask? How is the community? Let's just say, it seems that most of the gimps from WoW who have never played an MMO besides WoW are now playing WAR. (wierd, most wow fan boys ran back to patch 3.0, all us old timers are playing war, i played everythign back to UO, Everquest, Meridian 59, and MUDS.. so I guess I am a newb) Anyway, I'm just a tad let down by this game. Especially after waiting for 3 years and being a 7 year DAoC player. I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways. Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak (a couple of the bugs you listed are valid points, weather it makes war weak is your opion, and in my opinion is some of the bugs war has doens't make it weak : this is NOT fact.. your are loosing cretibility). It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content (noone was selling this as a PVE game, did you know WOW doens't copmpare to Mount and Blade for Mounted combat!!!!. ohh wait.. wow isnt'a mounted combat game.. LOL) and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR (to be honest its really too similar to DOAC for me to notive a difference. the graphics make this game much more playable for me than DAOC,, I would not pay for DAOC). LAUGHABLE!! three2six
And out of all that I can say.. the game is STILL A BLAST.
Actually i have to give props to the OP, he is spot on. It has been very boring. Fun for maybe the first tier then it just drops off as you hit 20, boring.. grind.. not many players at times...
Overall i think its a fair assessment.
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The graphics look nothing like WoW's idk why people keep saying it but I know it's bcause they dont even have the game installed on their PC.
Maybe not look like it but they sure as hell follow the core philosphy. For instance every house one may see on the order side in every zone may just be a total copy of a house in another zone (hell i know ive noticed, and i have tried hard not to in between quests). That place with the harvest shrine? Yeah... how many times can one flip the same "inn" model around, pasting it before it becomes evident that you need to create a new house?
Scenarios... lets see... last time i checked the way the final scores are given to you is exactly how wow does it, colors.. and all. right down to the last detail. Hell in rvr fields when you have to click on a flag.. that is exactly how wow does it.
Quests... same.. they point you to the direction you need to go, hell they show you. Tell me again how this isnt like wow?
Pet systems, at least in the form of how they look, are exactly the same as wow, mood buttons, auto attack clicky action things... and more.
I really could go on, but i think the point has been made that this is like WoW, just a different shade of paint and a very little bit more added.. thats all.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
People who expected WAR to be DAoC 2 are just stupid, period.
It's a RvR game like DAoC, that doesn't mean it's going to be DAoC.
This game has some issues, but I'm enjoying it more than AoC, and the problems aren't nearly as bad. They need to tweak stuff (like all MMOs), and the chicken mechanic needs to be altered, especially for ORvR due to the content it cuts players off from.
First, sorry I've been away so long, I've been pretty busy on the business end of Mythic so I haven't had the time nor energy to do a lot of posting here. I'm clawing and crawling my way out tonight and I'll be catching up on my posting but then disappearing again for a bit (sorry).
So, as to this being a DAoC2 clone, I can promise you it is not that (and you guys know that I don't promise stuff). Will it have some elements found in DAoC's RvR? Yeap, sure will. Will it have some elements from DAoC's PvE system? Yeap. Will it have a ton of stuff from WH? Yeap. Will it have stuff from other PvE games? Yeap. DiD EQ/AC/WoW have elements from other MUDs/MMORPGs? Yeap. Well, you get where I'm going here. There is 0, and I mean, 0 point in doing DAoC2 wrapped in WH material. First, GW wouldn't permit it. Second, why would I take the time and expense to license and partner with GW if all I was really doing was creating DAoC2? It would have been cheaper and easier for Mythic to simply take DAoC and do DAoC2 rather than create WHDAoC.
We are creating WAR, not DAoC2, DAoC1.5 or WHDAoC. Much is going to be revealed starting by the 2nd week of March (firm date, BTW not a "planned date" ) and you guys will begin to see what I am talking about. I wish I could tell you more about but when March rolls around you will know why I couldn't. After that we really start talking and showing the game leading up to E3 in May.
I want Mythic to create the best game/MMORPG that we have ever done and that is why we choose GW and their IP. We had lots of options (think about the amount of fantasy IP out there) but we choose WH because of all the wonderful things in the IP as well as my respect for and friendship with members of the company. All the matters in the end is, as always, creating a great and glorious game set in, based on and taking place throughout the WH world. To do that we will use what game design ideas/mechanics that are necessary to make that happen. And truly, isn't that what we all want in the end?
Mark
The ancestors be praised! I just got goosebumps and Mark said this back in 2006.
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That is the biggest pile of crap I have heard in a long time. I was trying to play WAR, but I could not due to disasterlagg and slideshow FPS. I am 30-40 FPS in AOC on high settings. WAR has serious performance issues if they with their outdated graphics (sorry, but it really looks outdated compared to AoC) can't run on same FPS as AoC. I have WAR still on the shelf and will fire it up whenever Mythic get around to fix it, but spare me comments that are so fare off the facts.
interesting troll post that keeps going
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Currently playing:wow/war
Retired:,runescape,swg,
everquest2,lotro
Man, seriously, they need to give you a prize for this being your first post. This rings so true and one reason I'm taking my ass to WOW (was in War beta from begining to end).
Taking them classes out and rushing the game to finished just shook me to the point of stepping down as a admin over at warhammerconflict.com.
Very nice post, and honest
I think you broke into my brain and stole everything i thought about this game.
Man, seriously, they need to give you a prize for this being your first post. This rings so true and one reason I'm taking my ass to WOW (was in War beta from begining to end).
Taking them classes out and rushing the game to finished just shook me to the point of stepping down as a admin over at warhammerconflict.com.
Very nice post, and honest
Frankly, you both fail. Not because I love WAR, but because neither of you are making sense. Very short conclusions and opinions, holding no truth, really.
Oh, and honesty seems overrated lately
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"WOW: casual PVP edition" lol, man that describes it 100%
Thanks i was too tired to write down why i'm not playing WAR right now. And its a LOT.
I was also expecting more from WAR, but it seriouly lacks in so many places that even with those little details like the ToK (which is not THAT great either) can't save it.
It's fine, many people likes it and will still like it over time, and i'm prety sure it will keep improving, but... as wow, is no more than a carcass of what the game originally advertised.
Its been 6 years? 6 years of hype? 6 years lacking challenging original games. 6 years of promises from ALL the game industry, telling us that his next game is THE NEXT BIG THING and when it comes out... it just sinks in its own hype.
And i'm trying not to barf for all the political propaganda that has assaulted single players games.
Anyways, thanks again for poiniting out every point that made WAR fail for many of us (and for many not)
At the end, the problem with WAR is that, every new and cool feature was toned down, cutted off, never there. That doesn't mean that WAR is an unfinished game. No it has much content in all its tiers and all that.
"WOW: casual PVP edition" lol, man that describes it 100%
QFT
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
My brand new bloggity blog.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
The above sentence is the EXACT reason why Warhammer is liked by some for some time and then they realise they were so "desperate" they didn't see the obvious the OP is talking about.
LOTS of hardcore defenders of the first hour already quit the game (and this forum btw), and even in this very thread several people acknowledge they were too positive.
The defenders now are "newer" players, playing the Tier1/2 thing, but within 3 weeks these new ones will have learned from their own experiences.
Otherwise I can't find ANY reason why anyone would play the game for more than 2 months.
The tactical PvP is a dull zergfest (bigger healed group just wins).
The strategical RvR is broken as hell.
We'll just be quiet about the PVE and the NPC intelligence .....
LOTS of promisses, NO delivery.
So, why did I recently quit AoC after two months, quit LOTRO after a free trial + free month but didn't hesitate for a second to subscribe for WAR? (for three months at that)
I can tell you; WAR still really compells and excites me after a month of playing.
I am level 27 / rr 26 on my shammy now and I just luv that little git. (Yes having loads of fun in t3 and upwards too)
Our guild is progressing nicely as well and we look forward to claiming a keep and wearing our heraldry on our cloaks.
I am experiencing new stuff in this game almost every day and devide my gametime between a nice blend of activities.
I've played a lot of MMO's over the past years, starting with EVE around 4 years ago and I know when an mmo is quality and compelling enough to keep me entertained for a long time and merrit my subscription. WAR Is deffo one of the them.
Which leads me to conclude, that you, Bodypass, should
learn to speak for yourself
You don't like WAR? Fine.
But don' t pretend you know the reasons why I or others should be bored by now. I am not, for one. Not by a long shot. Nor do I think that the world and every inhabitant revolves around my opinion.
QFT.
Bodypass, please shut your pie-hole. Make opinions by all means, but stop trying to be an authority on why OTHERS dislike this game or should.
I don't tell you why you should not play WoW. If I did you would probably wet yourself. You have a real vendetta against this game, why, I have no idea.
Why would i swap a weak game for another weak game. I think people are starting to cop on that mmorpg's are actually not very good games.
Its not war that is a weak game, it mmorpg's in general that are weak. I wouldnt waste my money playing any of those games on the list..they are all the same thing with a different skin. mmorpg's are weak games and once you have played a few theres no point playing anymore.
I think the game is awesome. Better than any MMORPG I have ever played. If you don't like the game, that's fine. There are plenty of games out there I don't like, but Warhammer Online is the best game i've played in a very long time. I feel bad for you if you think there are better MMOs out there.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I am absolutely lovin this game. Played wow for 3 years, would never go back. Dont get me wrong I know it has its issues, but every mmo I have ever played had major issues at launch. There were still bugs in SWG when I left (nge) that had been in the game since beta. The WAR devs seem to communicate with the players very well, which is a good sign. I think its probably the same people complaining on this forum that have complained about every new mmo that has come out. Frankly I think you are expecting a miracle. You will go from game to game dissappointed because none will ever live up to your expectations. These games are a work in progress, they evolve. If you think you can really get a feel for an mmo before investing 6 months into it you are kidding yourself. Most people are not even near max level yet so no one knows how the end game will play out. Judging a game without having experienced the end game in its true form just shows a lack of real interest in the game to begin with.
Played: SWG 2.5 years, WoW 4 years
Tried: RF Online, Ryzom, Daoc, CoH/CoV, Lotro, Vanguard, Guild Wars
Beta Tested: SWG, RF Online, Lotro, Potbs, Tabula Rasa, G&H, Perfect World
I wish these people who complain about this game being a buggy mess, or unfinished could go back in time to WoW's release. I really do. It was just as bad. Please . Shut your mouths about being rushed. Cause your WoW was to. It just happened to be open for 4 years so of course it runs smoother.
Once a loser, always a loser. Once a complainer, always a complainer. Rants a game for being rushed when there pride and joys been rushed and buggy as hell, always a loser and a complainer.
Enjoy : )
And out of all that I can say.. the game is STILL A BLAST.
OFF TO GO PLAY NOW.. WEEE
Actually i have to give props to the OP, he is spot on. It has been very boring. Fun for maybe the first tier then it just drops off as you hit 20, boring.. grind.. not many players at times...
Overall i think its a fair assessment.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Boring? its long ago since i played a game with that fun factor.
Buggs 1 month out and the op cries.
The game had the best mmo start ever and they cut the bugs really fast at the moment.
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
maybe you should make some games for free and let us know how that all works out.
There's a big difference between making games as a business for profit and tyring to make profit by making games because some other company has.
The model T Ford was a great succes but thankfully cars evolved and other car makers designed their own models.
You my friend have just won this thread. Thank you so very much. QFT.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Maybe not look like it but they sure as hell follow the core philosphy. For instance every house one may see on the order side in every zone may just be a total copy of a house in another zone (hell i know ive noticed, and i have tried hard not to in between quests). That place with the harvest shrine? Yeah... how many times can one flip the same "inn" model around, pasting it before it becomes evident that you need to create a new house?
Scenarios... lets see... last time i checked the way the final scores are given to you is exactly how wow does it, colors.. and all. right down to the last detail. Hell in rvr fields when you have to click on a flag.. that is exactly how wow does it.
Quests... same.. they point you to the direction you need to go, hell they show you. Tell me again how this isnt like wow?
Pet systems, at least in the form of how they look, are exactly the same as wow, mood buttons, auto attack clicky action things... and more.
I really could go on, but i think the point has been made that this is like WoW, just a different shade of paint and a very little bit more added.. thats all.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
People who expected WAR to be DAoC 2 are just stupid, period.
It's a RvR game like DAoC, that doesn't mean it's going to be DAoC.
This game has some issues, but I'm enjoying it more than AoC, and the problems aren't nearly as bad. They need to tweak stuff (like all MMOs), and the chicken mechanic needs to be altered, especially for ORvR due to the content it cuts players off from.
You take a tactical, turn-based, tabletop game; and you try to turn it into an MMORPG... It was doomed to fail.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
Here is a quote from Mark:
Folks,
First, sorry I've been away so long, I've been pretty busy on the business end of Mythic so I haven't had the time nor energy to do a lot of posting here. I'm clawing and crawling my way out tonight and I'll be catching up on my posting but then disappearing again for a bit (sorry).
So, as to this being a DAoC2 clone, I can promise you it is not that (and you guys know that I don't promise stuff). Will it have some elements found in DAoC's RvR? Yeap, sure will. Will it have some elements from DAoC's PvE system? Yeap. Will it have a ton of stuff from WH? Yeap. Will it have stuff from other PvE games? Yeap. DiD EQ/AC/WoW have elements from other MUDs/MMORPGs? Yeap. Well, you get where I'm going here. There is 0, and I mean, 0 point in doing DAoC2 wrapped in WH material. First, GW wouldn't permit it. Second, why would I take the time and expense to license and partner with GW if all I was really doing was creating DAoC2? It would have been cheaper and easier for Mythic to simply take DAoC and do DAoC2 rather than create WHDAoC.
We are creating WAR, not DAoC2, DAoC1.5 or WHDAoC. Much is going to be revealed starting by the 2nd week of March (firm date, BTW not a "planned date" ) and you guys will begin to see what I am talking about. I wish I could tell you more about but when March rolls around you will know why I couldn't. After that we really start talking and showing the game leading up to E3 in May.
I want Mythic to create the best game/MMORPG that we have ever done and that is why we choose GW and their IP. We had lots of options (think about the amount of fantasy IP out there) but we choose WH because of all the wonderful things in the IP as well as my respect for and friendship with members of the company. All the matters in the end is, as always, creating a great and glorious game set in, based on and taking place throughout the WH world. To do that we will use what game design ideas/mechanics that are necessary to make that happen. And truly, isn't that what we all want in the end?
Mark
The ancestors be praised! I just got goosebumps and Mark said this back in 2006.