So far I can tell the times Order needed a Tank in scenarios far outnumber the times we had enough dps not to care. There were a few times the scenarios had one Ironbreaker on the whole team.
Has anyone found a server where Order is more than Chaos? Even when servers are full the ques for Chaos are longer than Order. Chosen has to be the most played character this point. I don't have real numbers, just my experiences in games on three servers.
The classes that were cut must have been so piss poor. Did anyone who play closed beta or the demos play the hammerer /choppa?
I can understand the Blackguard being cut because the Elven pairing seemed to be worked on last. It seemed they wanted WAR out before Lich King so that was the best solution. Knight of the Blazing Sun did not seem to get any love either. Even Paul Barnett described their introduction akin to "players who like to tank," and with little superlatives or much else.
The jury may still be out on overall picture of things, but my humble experience tells me that all the other classes are solid, but not so overwhelmingly awesome that I can say 'what a neat concept". What really makes me keep logging in is the RvR teamplay.
Sure there are some "fun" abilities out there, like the knockbacks ( I do enjoy punting a goblin off the hll in Stonetroll crossing. And I don't mind getting punted myself.) However, they are the morale abilites. The Healer morale abilties ( at least on Order) are the same. Lvl 1 Big Heal, Lvl 2 Aoe Life Siphon, etc.) so where is the orginality in that?
So I find the Line " They (the cut classes) were not great" hard to swallow, given what I know now about the launched classes. They are mirrors and there seems little variation. They all seem good for the game. Great ? Maybe my standards are higher. Great to me means unique style, strategy and abilities. Only time will tell if they ever do add these classes. So far, it falls under "we talked about it a lot" category. Promise us in the name of the Sigmar or Tzeetch and then I will listen more.
Bug filled? Sorry guys, I don't see that. Imbalance? Perhaps, but I am seeing people getting stomped and doing the stomping of all classes. Depends on the gamers grasp of battle and how well he or she understands their class.
Healer standing up to a tank? I don't think so. Ranged vs. melee? I see ranged whooping peoples behinds if they don't close on them. But, if they do happen to close (because the range type is just standing there) yeah, they get whooped.
My only main concern at this time is the chat...and maybe add some crafting instructions in the Lore Book. I have salvaging and I am dumb...I can't figure out what to do with those little wisp looking things I get out of stuff. hehe.
But, in regards to all the people complaining, I pity all game devs of every game. People get outta hand real quick. But, I've seen the same things on all the games I've played....and I've been a gamer for a long butt time. It seems peoples patience has worn out.
At least these devs have been forthright with us. Seems that hasn't paid off, either. So why should any dev be honest with anybody anymore? It doesn't pay. They get stomped if they do or don't.
funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...
Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early) but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P
I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.
I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game
Why should mythic pay people to lock posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.
funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...
eh maybe im just lucky but the only bug i have seen is the "incorrect password" bug i got the other night. other than that my game has been running pretty darn good ... sure theres a crash here and there ... but um what game doesn't.
heck eq2 crashes on me every once in a while, and my friends WoW game crashed just the other night.
is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. For lower end comp users I know there are some problems. Personally I haven't had any. This HATE thing is really getting old and tiresome. My ignore list is getting bigger and bigger because of Stupidity.
I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.
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I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.
Its because people's computers are riddled with spam, adware, viruses, and the likes from all of their porn. If they would run a virus scanner and update Windows once a year they may find the computer works a lot better.
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WAR seems a good game but the performance issues just irritate me too much.
WoW is a good game! WoW's success has sparked all MMORPGs to follow its design which isnt good and has killed off innovation if you want to blame anyone blame companys trying to copy it to steal its subscribers and the increased costs of producing video games in modern times which make innovation very risky for all companies.
Originally posted by Redmow My only main concern at this time is the chat.. The game is so team based, that there is a distinct disadvantage of teams not working with Teamspeak or Vent versus teams without it. So most guilds (and therefore most players) communicate via guild chat or Vent/Teamspeak. The region/area chat systems are therefore quiet. Compared to WoW, where the game is more solo oriented, chat boards are active. I have salvaging and I am dumb...I can't figure out what to do with those little wisp looking things I get out of stuff. hehe. You are not dumb, I had trouble figuring it out too. Those echos and whispers you make have to be turned into magic essences which are in turn, used for Talisman crafters. Right click your cluster of raw wisps and every 4-5 of them make a magic essence. That is what is used for Talisman makers.
funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...
Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early) but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P
I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.
I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game
Why should mythic pay people to lock posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.
because not everyone bitches about things they have legit complaints i suggest you learn the difference. But hey why should Mythic even make a game if they are gonna cry about people complaining.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.
Because people have already listed them many times, on this site and Warhammer Alliance, how many times do they need to post problems? then we get War fanatics running in calling them trolls saying nothing is wrong, making excuses for Mythic, but hey i'm just imagining that i can play any other game out there with no issues, then when i fire up WAR i gotta mess with all kinds of setting to get it to play well.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
there are alot of bugs, but not nearly as many as all the other mmos that hav come out the last 4-5 years. PQ's where the boss doesnt spawn, creatures that keep on standing and moving after its dead, lagging, crashing out to windows without warning and stuff like that.
Nothing major really
What i do want to se in future updates is MORE CHOISES FOR THE PLAYERS!!!!! FFS if i want to have a 1h and a shield for my WP thats my bloody right, whose stupid idea was it to replace shield with a **** book!!
And why ??? cant you dye all armor and not just rewards? am i supposed to choose between ugly armor for the stats or godlooking armor for the looks?
Annoying as hell when the dev's are making all the choises for you, this is a mmorpg or did they miss that, immersion in to the game is important (for me at least).
Also (while im on the subjekt) Ironbreakers can only use axes (as far as i can determine, i might be wrong) why??, totaly idiotic, if im a crazy dwarf and want to bash some skulls, i use whats bloody handy. I havent seen these stupid restrictions on the dest side (but then i dont play dest) but i have seen chosen wielding swords, 2h swords, axes, 2h axas, shields, hmm lot more choises there, hell give them hammers to i say, there must be some destro out there who likes big hammers.
well other than that, the games fine, more than fine actually , damn fun really, but it could be soo much better if the dev's stopped trying to make all the decisions for the players
funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...
You must be reading very selectively, or you didn't read the entire article, because fixing bugs was mentioned specifically as the first priority they are addressing before getting to the other things.
oh and dont say "oh but hes a warrior priest its not in character to have a shield", BS i say its my character and my decision. And the original warhammer game allowed for alot of different equipments based on how many points you were prepared to spend.
Also costumization and making your army and your characters "yours" is at the very heart of Games Workshop. So please allow us some freedom.
Other than that , great game
PS im refering to my earlier post, sorry if im a bit confusing
funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...
eh maybe im just lucky but the only bug i have seen is the "incorrect password" bug i got the other night. other than that my game has been running pretty darn good ... sure theres a crash here and there ... but um what game doesn't.
heck eq2 crashes on me every once in a while, and my friends WoW game crashed just the other night.
is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.
Took the words right out of my head.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
I was in beta from august of 07-release. The choppa was by far the worst class in the game. They had to build up a rage mechanic, so they could become berserk. The problem was, that all the abilities u used that were not linked to the berserk mechanic SUCKED. U were like half a class. Half the time u rocked, the other half, u were worthless. So i understand why they cut him.
The hammerer on the other hand was a whirlwind of destruction. But the mechanic of staying in combat longer, just didnt really do anything.
I was on one of my many breaks from beta when dark elves first got put out there, so i never played the dark elf tank.
The KotBS was not a bad class, they just had HORID DPS compared to other tanks. They were similar to chosen as they had auras, but they were buffs, not debuffs. Granted at the time, the chosen auras were just debuffs. Had they upped their DPS a bit, they would of been fine.
Now all this i understand. What i dont understand is what was so hard to fix about them. There were MANY great suggestions on how to fix the berserker. All they had to do was drop the lame berserk buff mechanic and he would of been fine. Had they hade a rage mechanic that was like shaman wahh, where they just did more damage the more berserk they were, it would of been great. Hell almost all the classes were reinvinted at least twice, what was so hard there.
Even with all this i will say this, WAR is a great game. I dont know what all the buggs people are seeing, cause the only ones i ever notice are some random terain issues, and there arent many of them, and the ocational graphical bluring of armors. Thats it. Hell i have only had the game crash once since launch. The servers have not been down, and order prob wins 50% of the scenarios we run. I do notice destruction has the keeps a bit more often, but they still flipflop. Hell the top 10 PVPers on our realm is like 7 out of 10 order.
Plus, this game sucked in beta. It sucked right up to release to be honest with you. It sucked because i thought they werent listening to us. What it was, was they were only letting us see what needed to be tested, all along they were listening, just we didnt get tot see the fixes till right before launch on alot of it.
PQs even as soon as chp4 used to take HOURS to max inf. Stats didnt do shit. Most classes couldnt fight more than 1 mob, and pvp was a 1shot fest. none of that is true now. Mythic proved to me that at least most of the time they listen to the players, so there is obviously a reason we arent seeing these other classes, cause they had plenty of time to work on most of them. Give it allittle time. they arent making the mistakes that AoC made(constant nerfing and buffing and nerfing and buffing due to whining, which lead to your class not even playing the same 1 month after launch), i think everything will be great in no time.
oh and dont say "oh but hes a warrior priest its not in character to have a shield", BS i say its my character and my decision. And the original warhammer game allowed for alot of different equipments based on how many points you were prepared to spend. Also costumization and making your army and your characters "yours" is at the very heart of Games Workshop. So please allow us some freedom. Other than that , great game PS im refering to my earlier post, sorry if im a bit confusing
With the INSANE block percent players with shields got,(18-20% at lvl 11 on my chosen for gods sake) the only way warrior priests could use a shield is if they had a tactic that lowered healing on yourself by like 30%. It would be rediculous for them to get shields. Warrior priests were the most OPed class up till about the last 1/8th of the beta process.
LOL i remember when they gave us our lvl 40 templates and i speced mine into shield of sigmar, i was unstoppable. I would be number 1 in kills and damage and healing in some scenarios cause i never died.
So even though it would be cool, that is why they dont have sheilds.
To all those that responded to my post and said there are not many bugs and imperfections in warhammer, here is a list, titled "requests" so that they dont hurth their feelings (I hope it's not agains mmorpg rules to link to another forum, if it is please a moderator delete it). The list is not complete cause with so many bugs and requests you can see in the same forum I bet the guy has a tough time to keep up - and probably he is not even getting paid for it...
Can't find the other post in warhammeralliance forum where the thread was locked and the guy was told by the admin to not post a bugs list because it is against their policy or something like that. Probably they deleted it already. I mean people try to help the company by compiling bug lists for free, and they don't even allow them to post, go figure...
Don't get me wrong, the game has many good things in it and I like it and probably will be playing it after my month is over, but only because there is nothing better out there. If I want be honest and as a customer, it is an unfinished product and was rushed out of the door probably for marketing reasons (wow expansion coming soon). I have submitted personally about 5 bug and request reports a day in the first week, and then I got tired. I just hope they start fixing soon before servers get empty and we have another DAoC case...
Ok first off, please don't hate me for my "Xfire WoW Tag" lol. Now i'm not bashing anything, but asking a legitimate question.
Shouldn't they have just pushed release back some to finish up whats missing? I mean from what i'm reading it just seems like how sony (and i know this isn't a sony game, i'm just comparing to how sony operates) seems to run with their mmo's (but no where near as HORRIBLE lol). You know, they release a game or expansion pack before the "Promised" content was ready to go instead of airing on the side of caution and pushing back release dates.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Thanks
PS: I have since decided to wait on MMO's to launch and be out for some time before I purchase them after being burned so badly with some of the "Junk" thats been pushed out lately (and no i'm not saying War is that at all)
I'm playing Warhammer right now and if you want to see the most annoying bugs roll a pet class. I have a squigherder and the squig dissapears all the time and he and/or the mobs port more often then is acceptable as well. Also, you've never been annoyed with the "Target out of Range" crap when the mob is standing right in front of you, lol.. come on, you aren't blind. And that's not all.. I'm not here to bash the game at all, hell I bought it. I just don't want people to believe it's anywhere near as polished as it should be.
funny that he completely ignored - not just side-stepped - but ignored the city part of the questions are they gone for good? has this been brought up anywhere else?
it has, try going to warhammeralliance and looking up Mark Jacob's posts. Basically cut for the foreseeable but they'd love to see them back in-game. no timelines, content was pulled and focussed into the two main caps. No further announcement. You'll find this question dodged as there's enough RvR not to need them at the moment, greater priorities including bug-fixing and trying to fix the cut classes etc. Entirely conjecture on my part but I don't see this featuring as a Mythic topic until the caps start being taken.
I am now going to sound like a fanboi and say I think this is a good thing. For people like myself who did not play DaoC this is a different kind of pvp game and I prefer the extra capitals to be added after we've got to grips with what we are currently offered. then it will add dimension. Currently it would be a distraction in focus when I've got enough to pay attention to. just an opinion and you are welcome to hold a different one.
Me? I just want a cloaks and chat box jump fix so I don't have to faff with those every time I log on or jump scene. These grate a lot more than cut capitals I've never seen.
To all those that responded to my post and said there are not many bugs and imperfections in warhammer, here is a list, titled "requests" so that they dont hurth their feelings (I hope it's not agains mmorpg rules to link to another forum, if it is please a moderator delete it). The list is not complete cause with so many bugs and requests you can see in the same forum I bet the guy has a tough time to keep up - and probably he is not even getting paid for it... http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105263 Can't find the other post in warhammeralliance forum where the thread was locked and the guy was told by the admin to not post a bugs list because it is against their policy or something like that. Probably they deleted it already. I mean people try to help the company by compiling bug lists for free, and they don't even allow them to post, go figure... Don't get me wrong, the game has many good things in it and I like it and probably will be playing it after my month is over, but only because there is nothing better out there. If I want be honest and as a customer, it is an unfinished product and was rushed out of the door probably for marketing reasons (wow expansion coming soon). I have submitted personally about 5 bug and request reports a day in the first week, and then I got tired. I just hope they start fixing soon before servers get empty and we have another DAoC case...
You make it sound like the bugs are massive in that link. I read through it and most of those are not bugs but request for certain changes to the game. Most of the bugs that you try and make massive are really small in scale.
I have played just about every mmo that has come out since DAOC and all of them have bugs even to this day. I work for a major isp and the software we work with everyday has some bugs in it. Really I dont think anyone can come up with a single bit of software of any size that doesnt have some bugs.
I can understand being critical of game stopping issues but some of the beef you people have are petty in my opinion.
Before it is even posted by someone I will respond to it. "But wow doesnt have any bugs", that statement is total and complete BS.
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So far I can tell the times Order needed a Tank in scenarios far outnumber the times we had enough dps not to care. There were a few times the scenarios had one Ironbreaker on the whole team.
Has anyone found a server where Order is more than Chaos? Even when servers are full the ques for Chaos are longer than Order. Chosen has to be the most played character this point. I don't have real numbers, just my experiences in games on three servers.
The classes that were cut must have been so piss poor. Did anyone who play closed beta or the demos play the hammerer /choppa?
I can understand the Blackguard being cut because the Elven pairing seemed to be worked on last. It seemed they wanted WAR out before Lich King so that was the best solution. Knight of the Blazing Sun did not seem to get any love either. Even Paul Barnett described their introduction akin to "players who like to tank," and with little superlatives or much else.
The jury may still be out on overall picture of things, but my humble experience tells me that all the other classes are solid, but not so overwhelmingly awesome that I can say 'what a neat concept". What really makes me keep logging in is the RvR teamplay.
Sure there are some "fun" abilities out there, like the knockbacks ( I do enjoy punting a goblin off the hll in Stonetroll crossing. And I don't mind getting punted myself.) However, they are the morale abilites. The Healer morale abilties ( at least on Order) are the same. Lvl 1 Big Heal, Lvl 2 Aoe Life Siphon, etc.) so where is the orginality in that?
So I find the Line " They (the cut classes) were not great" hard to swallow, given what I know now about the launched classes. They are mirrors and there seems little variation. They all seem good for the game. Great ? Maybe my standards are higher. Great to me means unique style, strategy and abilities. Only time will tell if they ever do add these classes. So far, it falls under "we talked about it a lot" category. Promise us in the name of the Sigmar or Tzeetch and then I will listen more.
Bug filled? Sorry guys, I don't see that. Imbalance? Perhaps, but I am seeing people getting stomped and doing the stomping of all classes. Depends on the gamers grasp of battle and how well he or she understands their class.
Healer standing up to a tank? I don't think so. Ranged vs. melee? I see ranged whooping peoples behinds if they don't close on them. But, if they do happen to close (because the range type is just standing there) yeah, they get whooped.
My only main concern at this time is the chat...and maybe add some crafting instructions in the Lore Book. I have salvaging and I am dumb...I can't figure out what to do with those little wisp looking things I get out of stuff. hehe.
But, in regards to all the people complaining, I pity all game devs of every game. People get outta hand real quick. But, I've seen the same things on all the games I've played....and I've been a gamer for a long butt time. It seems peoples patience has worn out.
At least these devs have been forthright with us. Seems that hasn't paid off, either. So why should any dev be honest with anybody anymore? It doesn't pay. They get stomped if they do or don't.
Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early) but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P
I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.
I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game
Why should mythic pay people to lock posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.
eh maybe im just lucky but the only bug i have seen is the "incorrect password" bug i got the other night. other than that my game has been running pretty darn good ... sure theres a crash here and there ... but um what game doesn't.
heck eq2 crashes on me every once in a while, and my friends WoW game crashed just the other night.
is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. For lower end comp users I know there are some problems. Personally I haven't had any. This HATE thing is really getting old and tiresome. My ignore list is getting bigger and bigger because of Stupidity.
I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.
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Why do all the classes have to be right handed? Does anyone care about left handed people out there?
WAR seems a good game but the performance issues just irritate me too much.
WoW is a good game! WoW's success has sparked all MMORPGs to follow its design which isnt good and has killed off innovation if you want to blame anyone blame companys trying to copy it to steal its subscribers and the increased costs of producing video games in modern times which make innovation very risky for all companies.
As for bugs the main one irritating me is when I use the Grip of Fear AoE root (read frost nova) the mob continues to look like its running at me.
Other problem is the antisocial attitude!
Hey, I was thinking the same thing, whats up with that?
Cut classes will come back one day, let's just hope they don't try to include them in a paid expansion, that would pretty much suck.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
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Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early) but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P
I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.
I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game
Why should mythic pay people to lock posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.
because not everyone bitches about things they have legit complaints i suggest you learn the difference. But hey why should Mythic even make a game if they are gonna cry about people complaining.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Because people have already listed them many times, on this site and Warhammer Alliance, how many times do they need to post problems? then we get War fanatics running in calling them trolls saying nothing is wrong, making excuses for Mythic, but hey i'm just imagining that i can play any other game out there with no issues, then when i fire up WAR i gotta mess with all kinds of setting to get it to play well.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
there are alot of bugs, but not nearly as many as all the other mmos that hav come out the last 4-5 years. PQ's where the boss doesnt spawn, creatures that keep on standing and moving after its dead, lagging, crashing out to windows without warning and stuff like that.
Nothing major really
What i do want to se in future updates is MORE CHOISES FOR THE PLAYERS!!!!! FFS if i want to have a 1h and a shield for my WP thats my bloody right, whose stupid idea was it to replace shield with a **** book!!
And why ??? cant you dye all armor and not just rewards? am i supposed to choose between ugly armor for the stats or godlooking armor for the looks?
Annoying as hell when the dev's are making all the choises for you, this is a mmorpg or did they miss that, immersion in to the game is important (for me at least).
Also (while im on the subjekt) Ironbreakers can only use axes (as far as i can determine, i might be wrong) why??, totaly idiotic, if im a crazy dwarf and want to bash some skulls, i use whats bloody handy. I havent seen these stupid restrictions on the dest side (but then i dont play dest) but i have seen chosen wielding swords, 2h swords, axes, 2h axas, shields, hmm lot more choises there, hell give them hammers to i say, there must be some destro out there who likes big hammers.
well other than that, the games fine, more than fine actually , damn fun really, but it could be soo much better if the dev's stopped trying to make all the decisions for the players
just my 2 cent, no im of to kill me some orcs
You must be reading very selectively, or you didn't read the entire article, because fixing bugs was mentioned specifically as the first priority they are addressing before getting to the other things.
Try harder next time.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
oh and dont say "oh but hes a warrior priest its not in character to have a shield", BS i say its my character and my decision. And the original warhammer game allowed for alot of different equipments based on how many points you were prepared to spend.
Also costumization and making your army and your characters "yours" is at the very heart of Games Workshop. So please allow us some freedom.
Other than that , great game
PS im refering to my earlier post, sorry if im a bit confusing
eh maybe im just lucky but the only bug i have seen is the "incorrect password" bug i got the other night. other than that my game has been running pretty darn good ... sure theres a crash here and there ... but um what game doesn't.
heck eq2 crashes on me every once in a while, and my friends WoW game crashed just the other night.
is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.
Took the words right out of my head.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
I was in beta from august of 07-release. The choppa was by far the worst class in the game. They had to build up a rage mechanic, so they could become berserk. The problem was, that all the abilities u used that were not linked to the berserk mechanic SUCKED. U were like half a class. Half the time u rocked, the other half, u were worthless. So i understand why they cut him.
The hammerer on the other hand was a whirlwind of destruction. But the mechanic of staying in combat longer, just didnt really do anything.
I was on one of my many breaks from beta when dark elves first got put out there, so i never played the dark elf tank.
The KotBS was not a bad class, they just had HORID DPS compared to other tanks. They were similar to chosen as they had auras, but they were buffs, not debuffs. Granted at the time, the chosen auras were just debuffs. Had they upped their DPS a bit, they would of been fine.
Now all this i understand. What i dont understand is what was so hard to fix about them. There were MANY great suggestions on how to fix the berserker. All they had to do was drop the lame berserk buff mechanic and he would of been fine. Had they hade a rage mechanic that was like shaman wahh, where they just did more damage the more berserk they were, it would of been great. Hell almost all the classes were reinvinted at least twice, what was so hard there.
Even with all this i will say this, WAR is a great game. I dont know what all the buggs people are seeing, cause the only ones i ever notice are some random terain issues, and there arent many of them, and the ocational graphical bluring of armors. Thats it. Hell i have only had the game crash once since launch. The servers have not been down, and order prob wins 50% of the scenarios we run. I do notice destruction has the keeps a bit more often, but they still flipflop. Hell the top 10 PVPers on our realm is like 7 out of 10 order.
Plus, this game sucked in beta. It sucked right up to release to be honest with you. It sucked because i thought they werent listening to us. What it was, was they were only letting us see what needed to be tested, all along they were listening, just we didnt get tot see the fixes till right before launch on alot of it.
PQs even as soon as chp4 used to take HOURS to max inf. Stats didnt do shit. Most classes couldnt fight more than 1 mob, and pvp was a 1shot fest. none of that is true now. Mythic proved to me that at least most of the time they listen to the players, so there is obviously a reason we arent seeing these other classes, cause they had plenty of time to work on most of them. Give it allittle time. they arent making the mistakes that AoC made(constant nerfing and buffing and nerfing and buffing due to whining, which lead to your class not even playing the same 1 month after launch), i think everything will be great in no time.
With the INSANE block percent players with shields got,(18-20% at lvl 11 on my chosen for gods sake) the only way warrior priests could use a shield is if they had a tactic that lowered healing on yourself by like 30%. It would be rediculous for them to get shields. Warrior priests were the most OPed class up till about the last 1/8th of the beta process.
LOL i remember when they gave us our lvl 40 templates and i speced mine into shield of sigmar, i was unstoppable. I would be number 1 in kills and damage and healing in some scenarios cause i never died.
So even though it would be cool, that is why they dont have sheilds.
To all those that responded to my post and said there are not many bugs and imperfections in warhammer, here is a list, titled "requests" so that they dont hurth their feelings (I hope it's not agains mmorpg rules to link to another forum, if it is please a moderator delete it). The list is not complete cause with so many bugs and requests you can see in the same forum I bet the guy has a tough time to keep up - and probably he is not even getting paid for it...
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105263
Can't find the other post in warhammeralliance forum where the thread was locked and the guy was told by the admin to not post a bugs list because it is against their policy or something like that. Probably they deleted it already. I mean people try to help the company by compiling bug lists for free, and they don't even allow them to post, go figure...
Don't get me wrong, the game has many good things in it and I like it and probably will be playing it after my month is over, but only because there is nothing better out there. If I want be honest and as a customer, it is an unfinished product and was rushed out of the door probably for marketing reasons (wow expansion coming soon). I have submitted personally about 5 bug and request reports a day in the first week, and then I got tired. I just hope they start fixing soon before servers get empty and we have another DAoC case...
Ok first off, please don't hate me for my "Xfire WoW Tag" lol. Now i'm not bashing anything, but asking a legitimate question.
Shouldn't they have just pushed release back some to finish up whats missing? I mean from what i'm reading it just seems like how sony (and i know this isn't a sony game, i'm just comparing to how sony operates) seems to run with their mmo's (but no where near as HORRIBLE lol). You know, they release a game or expansion pack before the "Promised" content was ready to go instead of airing on the side of caution and pushing back release dates.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Thanks
PS: I have since decided to wait on MMO's to launch and be out for some time before I purchase them after being burned so badly with some of the "Junk" thats been pushed out lately (and no i'm not saying War is that at all)
I'm playing Warhammer right now and if you want to see the most annoying bugs roll a pet class. I have a squigherder and the squig dissapears all the time and he and/or the mobs port more often then is acceptable as well. Also, you've never been annoyed with the "Target out of Range" crap when the mob is standing right in front of you, lol.. come on, you aren't blind. And that's not all.. I'm not here to bash the game at all, hell I bought it. I just don't want people to believe it's anywhere near as polished as it should be.
it has, try going to warhammeralliance and looking up Mark Jacob's posts. Basically cut for the foreseeable but they'd love to see them back in-game. no timelines, content was pulled and focussed into the two main caps. No further announcement. You'll find this question dodged as there's enough RvR not to need them at the moment, greater priorities including bug-fixing and trying to fix the cut classes etc. Entirely conjecture on my part but I don't see this featuring as a Mythic topic until the caps start being taken.
I am now going to sound like a fanboi and say I think this is a good thing. For people like myself who did not play DaoC this is a different kind of pvp game and I prefer the extra capitals to be added after we've got to grips with what we are currently offered. then it will add dimension. Currently it would be a distraction in focus when I've got enough to pay attention to. just an opinion and you are welcome to hold a different one.
Me? I just want a cloaks and chat box jump fix so I don't have to faff with those every time I log on or jump scene. These grate a lot more than cut capitals I've never seen.
You make it sound like the bugs are massive in that link. I read through it and most of those are not bugs but request for certain changes to the game. Most of the bugs that you try and make massive are really small in scale.
I have played just about every mmo that has come out since DAOC and all of them have bugs even to this day. I work for a major isp and the software we work with everyday has some bugs in it. Really I dont think anyone can come up with a single bit of software of any size that doesnt have some bugs.
I can understand being critical of game stopping issues but some of the beef you people have are petty in my opinion.
Before it is even posted by someone I will respond to it. "But wow doesnt have any bugs", that statement is total and complete BS.
I'm very happy with the work they are doing daily to improve the game, get out the bugs ect. I think they're doing a very good job.