Its about the only way you will find out is to try it.
I beta tested it but thats about as far as I am going with the game, cancelled my pre-orders a while back.
I am just going to wait for Wotlk which is really looking good in my opinion.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, 80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters. Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior, and he will bring the others home. -Heraclitus 500BC
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
Originally posted by Pappy13 Originally posted by Kabbax Think you clicked the wrong board. I know you warhammer fans think Warcraft is a lot like warhammer, but its spelled different on the Forum list. Sure they both use letters, but they use different letters, and they aren't even that close together.
No, I'm a long time WoW fan (you might call me a fanboi) and I wanted to let other WoW fans know how they can get an open beta invite so they can try the game themself rather than relying on reading all the threads being thrown around the forums these days comparing the 2 games. Even us fanboi's are not above giving the other games a shot despite what everyone thinks. I liked this approach because it allows me to try the game without pre-ordering. I'm not convinced I want to buy the game yet, I'd like to try it out first. Blizzard always has open betas so the people here are used to that and this is as close as it's gonna get. Just thought they may want to know. PS - The Warhammer forums are over there ======>
Hehe, at least now you know haw bad WoW fanbois are, you only mentioned WAR beta and got flamed. Anyway, waiting for your opinion, try open world rvr and some sieges in tier 2.
I know you warhammer fans think Warcraft is a lot like warhammer, but its spelled different on the Forum list.
Sure they both use letters, but they use different letters, and they aren't even that close together.
No, I'm a long time WoW fan (you might call me a fanboi) and I wanted to let other WoW fans know how they can get an open beta invite so they can try the game themself rather than relying on reading all the threads being thrown around the forums these days comparing the 2 games. Even us fanboi's are not above giving the other games a shot despite what everyone thinks. I liked this approach because it allows me to try the game without pre-ordering. I'm not convinced I want to buy the game yet, I'd like to try it out first. Blizzard always has open betas so the people here are used to that and this is as close as it's gonna get. Just thought they may want to know.
PS - The Warhammer forums are over there ======>
Hehe, at least now you know haw bad WoW fanbois are, you only mentioned WAR beta and got flamed. Anyway, waiting for your opinion, try open world rvr and some sieges in tier 2.
In the end i was trying to be funny about all of it, Maybe i fail at humor or people take themselves to seriously here?
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius." -Oscar Wilde
I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee Unbiased ofc! Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
Let's say IF we would review it with the same ridiculous Wow HATE some of these Wow posters reveal, it would be really unbiased )))
But I guess you all have to wait a few more days, because GOA seems to be sleeping in EU on sundays.
They should have opened the Beta on a monday though. Np. Normal stuff for a launch.
I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee Unbiased ofc! Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Originally posted by coffee Originally posted by Sikhander I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee Unbiased ofc! Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc. I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW.
I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee
Unbiased ofc!
Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW.
define "people" ))
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. ))
They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
Originally posted by TeamFortress Originally posted by Yaros
Originally posted by coffee
Originally posted by Sikhander
I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee Unbiased ofc! Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc. I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW. define "people" ))
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. )) They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
"People" - WAR beta testers who played or play WoW. And, if we are here already:
WARNING! It's troll named Vicksbug - the same post style and often uses underlines. After he stopped posting as Vicksburg (banned maybe? or just lost all credibility) 2 new accounts spawned - TeamFortress and memoir - he trolls WAR and bash other games (like EVE) and brownosing blizzard crap - probably he is payed for virual marketing - check account details, create dates, how often he posts and post style.
Anyone who read these forums enough knows you won't bash WoW, even if WAR is the best thing to come out in years. I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say.
Why would he need to bash wow even if he likes WAR or thinks its the most awesome game ever?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
WAR is the next "big contender" against the behemoth of WoW. The dev team claims they are not going after WoW numbers (BS, everyone is, it's called profit) and are just making a fun game to play.
If you are a hardcore WoW player, with little experience with other games and "used" to a certain way to play... WAR probably isn't going to appeal to you. There is an X-PAC coming for WoW, all the goodness that is WoW remade with all the things WoW players expect. Rep Grinds, Gear Grinds, Arena Grinds, and of course... gold grinding to get the "good new mounts". The objective of the game is still the same as it was on launch day, get more, better gear and be "better then the guys in town". The combat is the same as it was at launch in terms of encounters, they are always the same, every time. The BG's and Arena are still the gear based, rush to win tactics you've come to know, and love.
WAR is nothing like that.
WAR is a team based (I.E. your side) vs. the other guys. The best is nice, but wont' make you a monster, the encounters in PvE are still basically scripted like WoW but the meat fo the game is RvR and that means each battle, each day will be different. Yes zerging is gonna happen, but it's going to require more thought as players get used ot the game, and get better and understanding their classes and how to maximize their play.
And of course, the game is about WINNING, beating the other side, not about having the most geat, DKP or loot.
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. )) They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
A fanboy should not mention about any "fanboism" ever. You are a known WoW fanboi, you don't have the right to judge any other fanbois. Seriously ...
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. )) They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
A fanboy should not mention about any "fanboism" ever. You are a known WoW fanboi, you don't have the right to judge any other fanbois. Seriously ...
Haha LOL
A person who LIKES to play a game and defends it on www.(wowhaters;com) mmorp.com is not even a fan boy. He just points out what he likes to play and why other planned games are not of his liking.
A person who NEVER ever played a game he hypes for weeks in pre-launch is indeed a rather odd fan boy.
And thanks to GOA minutemaid still doesn't play today....:)))
Anyone who read these forums enough knows you won't bash WoW, even if WAR is the best thing to come out in years. I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say.
Why would he need to bash wow even if he likes WAR or thinks its the most awesome game ever?
Now that I read what I wrote, I see that it sounds anti-WoW, or like even anti-Pappy.
Sorry about that.
I did mean it as a compliment- I've read enough of his posts to know that Pappy will give an un-biased opinion.
_____________________________ "Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit"
A person who LIKES to play a game and defends it on www.(wowhaters;com) mmorp.com is not even a fan boy. He just points out what he likes to play and why other planned games are not of his liking. A person who NEVER ever played a game he hypes for weeks in pre-launch is indeed a rather odd fan boy. And thanks to GOA minutemaid still doesn't play today....:))) if you can't see that difference, well .....
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now.
2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years.
3. I am not bashing WoW.
4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet.
5. All I am saying is, if you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you.
Who is the fanboi now?
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now. 2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years. 3. I am not bashing WoW. 4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet. 5. All I am saying is, if you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you. Who is the fanboi now?
Yes because you ARE promoting WAR IN a Warcraft forum with FALSE elements.
You can't assume for everyone who plays Wow, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of WOW.
Last weekend the 180.000 dollars WOW sponsored world championships in PVP were held.
WAR doesn't even have a PvP e-sport end game like Wow offers. So the PVE grinding compared to RvR/PvP is worthless UNLESS you state "I like the PvP of WAR more".
But you can't decide for others. if YOU prefer playing PvP in WAR, that doesn't mean the others like it.
Presuming it for everyone else - on a WoW forum - is even pure trolling on a Warcraft forum.
That makes you a hardcore fanboy and troll of a non published game.
[quote]Originally posted by TeamFortress [b][quote]Originally posted by Xtort
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now. 2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years. 3. I am not bashing WoW. 4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet. 5. All I am saying is, if [color=#ff0000]you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you. Who is the fanboi now? [/quote]
Yes because you ARE promoting WAR IN a Warcraft forum with FALSE elements. You can't assume for everyone who plays Wow, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of WOW. Last weekend the 180.000 dollars WOW sponsored world championships in PVP were held. WAR doesn't even have a PvP e-sport end game like Wow offers. So the PVE grinding compared to RvR/PvP is worthless UNLESS you state "I [/color]like the PvP of WAR more". But you can't decide for others. if YOU prefer playing PvP in WAR, that doesn't mean the others like it. Presuming it for everyone else - on a WoW forum - is even pure trolling on a Warcraft forum. That makes you a hardcore fanboy and troll of a non published game.
[/b][/quote]
Uh, lol, so pvp is WoW is THAT bad, that they need to PAY people to keep them playing? Hehe, that tells something about WoW's pvp.
I played WoW for 2 years and the PvP is and has always been a tacked on feature. I really did enjoy the game for a good while, I'll certainly give blizzard kudos, it's a solid game in about every aspect.. just not group PvP. There was never a reason to kill, other than the fact that you can.. and if you do, you get good gear. I probably ran all the end-game instances before BC about 100 times or more.. after I nailed 70 and got exalted in a few reps, I was done. I just couldn't commit 8 hours a day to be a step above the rest.. so, for ME, it's not the game for ME. At least not anymore.
I just tested out WAR, it looks promising. Character control is nowhere near WoW, yet. But there are a lot of really interesting features that involve the UI and questing that WoW has never had. It's a shame that it took this long for Blizzard to release a PvP focused expansion.. I would have probably never left.
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now.
2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years.
3. I am not bashing WoW.
4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet.
5. All I am saying is, if [color=#ff0000]you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you.
Who is the fanboi now?
[/quote]
Yes because you ARE promoting WAR IN a Warcraft forum with FALSE elements.
You can't assume for everyone who plays Wow, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of WOW.
Last weekend the 180.000 dollars WOW sponsored world championships in PVP were held.
WAR doesn't even have a PvP e-sport end game like Wow offers. So the PVE grinding compared to RvR/PvP is worthless UNLESS you state "I [/color]like the PvP of WAR more".
But you can't decide for others. if YOU prefer playing PvP in WAR, that doesn't mean the others like it.
Presuming it for everyone else - on a WoW forum - is even pure trolling on a Warcraft forum.
That makes you a hardcore fanboy and troll of a non published game.
[/b][/quote]
Uh, lol, so pvp is WoW is THAT bad, that they need to PAY people to keep them playing? Hehe, that tells something about WoW's pvp.
I think it's just that for 80-85% of WoW's subscribers, it's their first MMO ever... so they really don't know any better..than to think that WoW's pvp is great. Solo PvP, awesome.. best ever... Grouped PvP, mediocre at best.. so if you add them together, in my opinion PvP is slightly above average.
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Its about the only way you will find out is to try it.
I beta tested it but thats about as far as I am going with the game, cancelled my pre-orders a while back.
I am just going to wait for Wotlk which is really looking good in my opinion.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
Think you clicked the wrong board.
I know you warhammer fans think Warcraft is a lot like warhammer, but its spelled different on the Forum list.
Sure they both use letters, but they use different letters, and they aren't even that close together.
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
-Oscar Wilde
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Free Warhammer Beta Keys here. (Limited supply)
I would love to see a WAR review co-written by Pappy13, SonofSeth, Vicksburg (and all his alts) and Coffee
Unbiased ofc!
Joking aside - nice to see that you give it a shot. It is actually a lot of fun.
No, I'm a long time WoW fan (you might call me a fanboi) and I wanted to let other WoW fans know how they can get an open beta invite so they can try the game themself rather than relying on reading all the threads being thrown around the forums these days comparing the 2 games. Even us fanboi's are not above giving the other games a shot despite what everyone thinks. I liked this approach because it allows me to try the game without pre-ordering. I'm not convinced I want to buy the game yet, I'd like to try it out first. Blizzard always has open betas so the people here are used to that and this is as close as it's gonna get. Just thought they may want to know.
PS - The Warhammer forums are over there ======>
Hehe, at least now you know haw bad WoW fanbois are, you only mentioned WAR beta and got flamed. Anyway, waiting for your opinion, try open world rvr and some sieges in tier 2.
No, I'm a long time WoW fan (you might call me a fanboi) and I wanted to let other WoW fans know how they can get an open beta invite so they can try the game themself rather than relying on reading all the threads being thrown around the forums these days comparing the 2 games. Even us fanboi's are not above giving the other games a shot despite what everyone thinks. I liked this approach because it allows me to try the game without pre-ordering. I'm not convinced I want to buy the game yet, I'd like to try it out first. Blizzard always has open betas so the people here are used to that and this is as close as it's gonna get. Just thought they may want to know.
PS - The Warhammer forums are over there ======>
Hehe, at least now you know haw bad WoW fanbois are, you only mentioned WAR beta and got flamed. Anyway, waiting for your opinion, try open world rvr and some sieges in tier 2.
In the end i was trying to be funny about all of it, Maybe i fail at humor or people take themselves to seriously here?
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
-Oscar Wilde
Let's say IF we would review it with the same ridiculous Wow HATE some of these Wow posters reveal, it would be really unbiased )))
But I guess you all have to wait a few more days, because GOA seems to be sleeping in EU on sundays.
They should have opened the Beta on a monday though. Np. Normal stuff for a launch.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW.
define "people" ))
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. ))
They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
Well I have played WAR durign closed beta.. not much though as I found quite boring and very meh. And the combat is choppy, sloppy and zergy... just my opinion ofc.
I think most WoW players will say they have better control of their toon in WoW than they do in WAR.
Actually after 4.1 build people say that is the same as WoW.
define "people" ))
the fanboys like "minutemamaid" who didn't play one second (UK remember) and said the game was smooth now. ))
They didn't add any CC functions so zergy is a good word.
"People" - WAR beta testers who played or play WoW.
And, if we are here already:
WARNING!
It's troll named Vicksbug - the same post style and often uses underlines. After he stopped posting as Vicksburg (banned maybe? or just lost all credibility) 2 new accounts spawned - TeamFortress and memoir - he trolls WAR and bash other games (like EVE) and brownosing blizzard crap - probably he is payed for virual marketing - check account details, create dates, how often he posts and post style.
Anyone who read these forums enough knows you won't bash WoW, even if WAR is the best thing to come out in years.
I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say.
_____________________________
"Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit"
Tough luck TF
Why would he need to bash wow even if he likes WAR or thinks its the most awesome game ever?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
WAR is the next "big contender" against the behemoth of WoW. The dev team claims they are not going after WoW numbers (BS, everyone is, it's called profit) and are just making a fun game to play.
If you are a hardcore WoW player, with little experience with other games and "used" to a certain way to play... WAR probably isn't going to appeal to you. There is an X-PAC coming for WoW, all the goodness that is WoW remade with all the things WoW players expect. Rep Grinds, Gear Grinds, Arena Grinds, and of course... gold grinding to get the "good new mounts". The objective of the game is still the same as it was on launch day, get more, better gear and be "better then the guys in town". The combat is the same as it was at launch in terms of encounters, they are always the same, every time. The BG's and Arena are still the gear based, rush to win tactics you've come to know, and love.
WAR is nothing like that.
WAR is a team based (I.E. your side) vs. the other guys. The best is nice, but wont' make you a monster, the encounters in PvE are still basically scripted like WoW but the meat fo the game is RvR and that means each battle, each day will be different. Yes zerging is gonna happen, but it's going to require more thought as players get used ot the game, and get better and understanding their classes and how to maximize their play.
And of course, the game is about WINNING, beating the other side, not about having the most geat, DKP or loot.
Which I think, will keep many WoW players out.
Always change your signature.
A fanboy should not mention about any "fanboism" ever. You are a known WoW fanboi, you don't have the right to judge any other fanbois. Seriously ...
-----------------------------
Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
A fanboy should not mention about any "fanboism" ever. You are a known WoW fanboi, you don't have the right to judge any other fanbois. Seriously ...
Haha LOL
A person who LIKES to play a game and defends it on www.(wowhaters;com) mmorp.com is not even a fan boy. He just points out what he likes to play and why other planned games are not of his liking.
A person who NEVER ever played a game he hypes for weeks in pre-launch is indeed a rather odd fan boy.
And thanks to GOA minutemaid still doesn't play today....:)))
if you can't see that difference, well .....
Why would he need to bash wow even if he likes WAR or thinks its the most awesome game ever?
Now that I read what I wrote, I see that it sounds anti-WoW, or like even anti-Pappy.
Sorry about that.
I did mean it as a compliment- I've read enough of his posts to know that Pappy will give an un-biased opinion.
_____________________________
"Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit"
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now.
2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years.
3. I am not bashing WoW.
4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet.
5. All I am saying is, if you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you.
Who is the fanboi now?
-----------------------------
Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Yes because you ARE promoting WAR IN a Warcraft forum with FALSE elements.
You can't assume for everyone who plays Wow, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of WOW.
Last weekend the 180.000 dollars WOW sponsored world championships in PVP were held.
WAR doesn't even have a PvP e-sport end game like Wow offers. So the PVE grinding compared to RvR/PvP is worthless UNLESS you state "I like the PvP of WAR more".
But you can't decide for others. if YOU prefer playing PvP in WAR, that doesn't mean the others like it.
Presuming it for everyone else - on a WoW forum - is even pure trolling on a Warcraft forum.
That makes you a hardcore fanboy and troll of a non published game.
This thread a total failure. It should be moved to the recycling bin. They should restrict who can make new topics.
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
-Oscar Wilde
[quote]Originally posted by TeamFortress
[b][quote]Originally posted by Xtort
1. I have been playing War CB for a long time now.
2. I have played WoW for 1.5 years.
3. I am not bashing WoW.
4. I am not saying War is the best thing that has come to earth since the internet.
5. All I am saying is, if [color=#ff0000]you prefer PvP/RvR War is the game for you, if you prefer grinding/raiding/PvE WoW is the game for you.
Who is the fanboi now?
[/quote]
Yes because you ARE promoting WAR IN a Warcraft forum with FALSE elements.
You can't assume for everyone who plays Wow, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of WOW.
Last weekend the 180.000 dollars WOW sponsored world championships in PVP were held.
WAR doesn't even have a PvP e-sport end game like Wow offers. So the PVE grinding compared to RvR/PvP is worthless UNLESS you state "I [/color]like the PvP of WAR more".
But you can't decide for others. if YOU prefer playing PvP in WAR, that doesn't mean the others like it.
Presuming it for everyone else - on a WoW forum - is even pure trolling on a Warcraft forum.
That makes you a hardcore fanboy and troll of a non published game.
[/b][/quote]
Uh, lol, so pvp is WoW is THAT bad, that they need to PAY people to keep them playing? Hehe, that tells something about WoW's pvp.
I played WoW for 2 years and the PvP is and has always been a tacked on feature. I really did enjoy the game for a good while, I'll certainly give blizzard kudos, it's a solid game in about every aspect.. just not group PvP. There was never a reason to kill, other than the fact that you can.. and if you do, you get good gear. I probably ran all the end-game instances before BC about 100 times or more.. after I nailed 70 and got exalted in a few reps, I was done. I just couldn't commit 8 hours a day to be a step above the rest.. so, for ME, it's not the game for ME. At least not anymore.
I just tested out WAR, it looks promising. Character control is nowhere near WoW, yet. But there are a lot of really interesting features that involve the UI and questing that WoW has never had. It's a shame that it took this long for Blizzard to release a PvP focused expansion.. I would have probably never left.
I think it's just that for 80-85% of WoW's subscribers, it's their first MMO ever... so they really don't know any better..than to think that WoW's pvp is great. Solo PvP, awesome.. best ever... Grouped PvP, mediocre at best.. so if you add them together, in my opinion PvP is slightly above average.