Originally posted by BushMonkey They don't have one, and i doubt it would matter one whit to this pysco.
What is wrong with people these days its like they don't even have a soul anymore.
I would be interested in learning more about the perp tho, was he on meds was he off his meds?
Did he belong to a certain faith. was he athiest? wtf was his trip to do something like this.
Care to explain what Atheism has to do with this?
If you dont beleive in God or ultimate judgement why would you be afraid to do something like this? I have known men like that,i called them herion dealers they worshiped money,power and the fear they could instill in others, Fortunatly they were crushed by law enforcement but not before destroying many lives.
I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Claiming that a person will commit murders and traffic controlled substances just because he does not believe in God(s) is possible one of the most generalizing and ignorant comments I've had the displeasure of reading on these boards. Imagine the reaction if I came on here and stated that the man must have shared the same beliefs as you do and therefore he was more prone to committing unspeakable things such as this.
If I were to take the logical step in reasoning according to your post there "fear instilled in others" would put god on par with your dealers there. I mean he's making you FEAR him and his ultimate judgement... right?
If fearing god is all that stops people from committing criminal offenses then I think there's something wrong with society, and common sense is severely lacking.
I realize that I will no doubt offend people with my post but I just could not let it go at that statement fully knowing that if someone compared the man to BushMonkey's beliefs he'd more then likely do the same.
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Man I kid you not you Americans scare me,we have had 8 posts in this thread and so far basically you want the passengers to be carrying side arms and the bus driver to be using a ranged weapon,it almost sounds like a script for mad max 4. This was a terrible act but you guys arming everyone envolved in my eyes doesnt seem to help anything,it could infact been alot worse if a bus driver armed with a shotgun paniced and started to shoot wildly trying to hit the guy,as far as I know they dont go through sniper school to get there driver's license. Honest guys real scary how you think.
An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude. I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
Originally posted by BushMonkey They don't have one, and i doubt it would matter one whit to this pysco.
What is wrong with people these days its like they don't even have a soul anymore.
I would be interested in learning more about the perp tho, was he on meds was he off his meds?
Did he belong to a certain faith. was he athiest? wtf was his trip to do something like this.
Care to explain what Atheism has to do with this?
If you dont beleive in God or ultimate judgement why would you be afraid to do something like this? I have known men like that,i called them herion dealers they worshiped money,power and the fear they could instill in others, Fortunatly they were crushed by law enforcement but not before destroying many lives.
I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Claiming that a person will commit murders and traffic controlled substances just because he does not believe in God(s) is possible one of the most generalizing and ignorant comments I've had the displeasure of reading on these boards. Imagine the reaction if I came on here and stated that the man must have shared the same beliefs as you do and therefore he was more prone to committing unspeakable things such as this.
If I were to take the logical step in reasoning according to your post there "fear instilled in others" would put god on par with your dealers there. I mean he's making you FEAR him and his ultimate judgement... right?
If fearing god is all that stops people from committing criminal offenses then I think there's something wrong with society, and common sense is severely lacking.
I realize that I will no doubt offend people with my post but I just could not let it go at that statement fully knowing that if someone compared the man to BushMonkey's beliefs he'd more then likely do the same.
I never said i did not consider God to be a monster now did i? Or incapable of inflicting pain upon people he does it everyday and men do it in his name everyday. Why because there is no judgement or fear of judgement. They do it because they think its God will now don't they?
I included athiest because they are as capable of monstorous activities as religious people are. And i did not want to offend the religious by singleing them out.
Or are you suggesting athiest are pure as the wind driven snow and would never do such a thing?
I included athiest because they are as capable of monstorous activities as religious people are. And i did not want to offend the religious by singleing them out.
Or are you suggesting athiest are pure as the wind driven snow and would never do such a thing?
I am by no means saying that atheists are pure as the wind driven snow. To me, when you asked whether he was atheist along with saying that a god fearing man would not commit such a thing came across to me as a statement of "a god fearing man can do no evil". To this effect I could postulate that a person who is polytheistic would be even more "god fearing", perhaps to the point where he/she would be so afraid that they'd never leave their home for fear of stepping on an ant and offending the countless gods of the pantheon whom would in turn exact their judgment and condemn him to whatever pit of damnation he/she might believe.
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I included athiest because they are as capable of monstorous activities as religious people are. And i did not want to offend the religious by singleing them out.
Or are you suggesting athiest are pure as the wind driven snow and would never do such a thing?
I am by no means saying that atheists are pure as the wind driven snow. To me, when you asked whether he was atheist along with saying that a god fearing man would not commit such a thing came across to me as a statement of "a god fearing man can do no evil". To this effect I could postulate that a person who is polytheistic would be even more "god fearing", perhaps to the point where he/she would be so afraid that they'd never leave their home for fear of stepping on an ant and offending the countless gods of the pantheon whom would in turn exact their judgment and condemn him to whatever pit of damnation he/she might believe.
I never said anything about God fearing i asked if he belonged to a certain faith, i only know of one faith that regularly decapitates people. But if i asked if he belonged to the faith that shall not be named i believed i would be slammed for being racist or bigoted , maybe it was an act of terror and he neglected to shout the slogan of said religion so in order to not cause trouble i asked if he belonged to a certain faith or was he atheiest. for all we know at the moment he could of been hari krishna or a scientologist, I am sorry if adding Athiest to the equation struck a chord with you.
Good comeback in the above post "fear of stepping on an ant" priceless lol
And i do not believe anyone religious would be incapable of such an act, i merely have to look at history for the answer to that/crusades/Jhad/inqusistion. Religion can mess you up.
And as for god fearing let me add this from the bible :First Kings chapter 18 verse 40
And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one escape. And they took them:And Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon and slew them there.
That was 450 prophets of Baal and it is believed he cut there throats apparently under the proper stimulis even the God fearing will commit not just murder but mass murder.
But i do believe this i fear God, i behave myself and he lets me live, and he must at least find it acceptable.
Perhaps he will teach me to not only fear him but love him and my fellow man made in his image, altho i do find it a struggle
Again i am sorry if i offended you or anyone else in my question as to whether he was religious or atheist.
Man I kid you not you Americans scare me,we have had 8 posts in this thread and so far basically you want the passengers to be carrying side arms and the bus driver to be using a ranged weapon,it almost sounds like a script for mad max 4. This was a terrible act but you guys arming everyone envolved in my eyes doesnt seem to help anything,it could infact been alot worse if a bus driver armed with a shotgun paniced and started to shoot wildly trying to hit the guy,as far as I know they dont go through sniper school to get there driver's license. Honest guys real scary how you think.
An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude. I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
I have never seen somebody so completely and thoroughly own another person on these forums...jeez.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
You guys debating the God vs atheism angle might both be incorrect. I'm not saying the perpetrator of this horrendous crime is, but the first thing I wondered is whether or not he might be a Satanist, neither worshiping God nor discounting His existence, but instead worshiping His arch-enemy. It's true the number of overt Satan worshipers is not very high, but they are out there. And as the embodiment of evil, it might be this guy's desire to commit evil acts himself. It's even possible that he is without even admiting it to himself or anyone else. His background will surely come out as his future unfolds. Personal beliefs may have had absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. Maybe he was just on some wicked drug and it caused him to hallucinate or something.
You guys debating the God vs atheism angle might both be incorrect. I'm not saying the perpetrator of this horrendous crime is, but the first thing I wondered is whether or not he might be a Satanist, neither worshiping God nor discounting His existence, but instead worshiping His arch-enemy. It's true the number of overt Satan worshipers is not very high, but they are out there. And as the embodiment of evil, it might be this guy's desire to commit evil acts himself. It's even possible that he is without even admiting it to himself or anyone else. His background will surely come out as his future unfolds. Personal beliefs may have had absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. Maybe he was just on some wicked drug and it caused him to hallucinate or something.
Who knows. Mabye a funcom dev finally snapped
There was one woman on antipsycotic medication that threw her baby off a 2nd story balcony.
Man I kid you not you Americans scare me,we have had 8 posts in this thread and so far basically you want the passengers to be carrying side arms and the bus driver to be using a ranged weapon,it almost sounds like a script for mad max 4. This was a terrible act but you guys arming everyone envolved in my eyes doesnt seem to help anything,it could infact been alot worse if a bus driver armed with a shotgun paniced and started to shoot wildly trying to hit the guy,as far as I know they dont go through sniper school to get there driver's license. Honest guys real scary how you think.
An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude. I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
This really is the difference between the States and Canada. You have cowboys, we have a rail road.
It its too bad about this whole even, wether the young man we previously known to police, or the assailant is currently unknown. This could have been planned.
I leave the life taking to the courts and police. A handgun never saved me, never saved my parents, never saved anybody ive even known.
If you want to carry a gun, great, thats why you live in the States and not in Canada. But dont go throwing propaganda and trying to over justify your vigilantism.
An armed society is polite? I'm sorry, but America is not a polite society. Neither is Africa, or war torn countries. I don't see your argument as solid at all, im sorry.
You trust only yourself to defend you and your family, I have trust in my legal and police system, I trust my government and fellow man. So far its worked for everyone ive ever met and been related to, Im sure you can say the same for yourself and your strategy, apprently they both work.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
You guys debating the God vs atheism angle might both be incorrect. I'm not saying the perpetrator of this horrendous crime is, but the first thing I wondered is whether or not he might be a Satanist, neither worshiping God nor discounting His existence, but instead worshiping His arch-enemy. It's true the number of overt Satan worshipers is not very high, but they are out there. And as the embodiment of evil, it might be this guy's desire to commit evil acts himself. It's even possible that he is without even admiting it to himself or anyone else. His background will surely come out as his future unfolds. Personal beliefs may have had absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. Maybe he was just on some wicked drug and it caused him to hallucinate or something.
this was your 777 post ..i think you might be right.lets see what his back ground is.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
another reason for me to get a gun, and a concealed gun license, as soon as i can.
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so fucked up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
why dont you read the thread before you start your stupid insults,a post was made earlier asking if bus drivers carried ranged weapons,that is what I was refering to,trolling at its best.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so fucked up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
why dont you read the thread before you start your stupid insults,a post was made earlier asking if bus drivers carried ranged weapons,that is what I was refering to,trolling at its best.
i am replying to the posts im quoting, im not talking about the posts in the other pages, im waiting for a well thought out reply.
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
i didnt think the person who was teaching the class would give the soccer mom or the inadequate person a license if he didnt think it was a good idea .... although i dunno .....
And in California, only celebrities, politicians and police type people can only carry a gun legally. My dad tryed to get a permit(he has one in AZ) but was denied because he wasnt famous or ina police related job. And i cant imagine other states making you take all those training, courses and tests etc. California is a bit more liberal then the rest of the U.S.
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
i didnt think the person who was teaching the class would give the soccer mom or the inadequate person a license if he didnt think it was a good idea .... although i dunno .....
And in California, only celebrities, politicians and police type people can only carry a gun legally. My dad tryed to get a permit(he has one in AZ) but was denied because he wasnt famous or ina police related job. And i cant imagine other states making you take all those training, courses and tests etc. California is a bit more liberal then the rest of the U.S.
The reason I got mine was because part of my profession involves asset and personal protection. My concealed carry is based on travelling with large amounts of ( other peoples ) money as well as sometimes having to provide escort services ( not THAT kind of escort lol ) as a part of my business. While my concealed carry is restricted to certain business activities only, my open carry is only restricted by my main job function ( security consulting and private security operator ), which since I am "on duty" at all hours leaves me pretty much open as far as that goes.
And for the record, I do not normally walk around in public strapped like Dirty Harry. lol
I can understand daylights frustrations. Hes grown up Canadian it sounds like, and quite frankly many of you guys have polar opposite ideals to what we have up in Canada, to the point of where you guys come off sounding almost scary lol.
Just understand that although it makes perfect senes to you guys, its not the only way. and I think thats what a lot of you fail to grasp.
Edit: about the shotgun comment earlier, he was talking about how somebody earlier had mentioned that they thought grayhound drivers carried shotguns.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
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Care to explain what Atheism has to do with this?
If you dont beleive in God or ultimate judgement why would you be afraid to do something like this? I have known men like that,i called them herion dealers they worshiped money,power and the fear they could instill in others, Fortunatly they were crushed by law enforcement but not before destroying many lives.
I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Claiming that a person will commit murders and traffic controlled substances just because he does not believe in God(s) is possible one of the most generalizing and ignorant comments I've had the displeasure of reading on these boards. Imagine the reaction if I came on here and stated that the man must have shared the same beliefs as you do and therefore he was more prone to committing unspeakable things such as this.
If I were to take the logical step in reasoning according to your post there "fear instilled in others" would put god on par with your dealers there. I mean he's making you FEAR him and his ultimate judgement... right?
If fearing god is all that stops people from committing criminal offenses then I think there's something wrong with society, and common sense is severely lacking.
I realize that I will no doubt offend people with my post but I just could not let it go at that statement fully knowing that if someone compared the man to BushMonkey's beliefs he'd more then likely do the same.
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An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude.
I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
I am educated enough to know this http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
First you disarm the Jew then you gas him.
http://www.jpfo.org/common-sense/cs17.htm The communist also have a penchant for disarming there populace. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chinadeaths1.html
I have to ask this, What flows from the barrel of a gun?
I beleive only 2 things Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ve_day
And tyrany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums3/album.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-30/39902.html
http://www.futurodecuba.org/castro's_gulag.htm
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
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Nice argument, BushMonkey. Nicely done.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Thank goodness the citizens have been disarmed. I'm sure the police will jump in and save the day. Oh, they didn't? Oops.
Care to explain what Atheism has to do with this?
If you dont beleive in God or ultimate judgement why would you be afraid to do something like this? I have known men like that,i called them herion dealers they worshiped money,power and the fear they could instill in others, Fortunatly they were crushed by law enforcement but not before destroying many lives.
I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Claiming that a person will commit murders and traffic controlled substances just because he does not believe in God(s) is possible one of the most generalizing and ignorant comments I've had the displeasure of reading on these boards. Imagine the reaction if I came on here and stated that the man must have shared the same beliefs as you do and therefore he was more prone to committing unspeakable things such as this.
If I were to take the logical step in reasoning according to your post there "fear instilled in others" would put god on par with your dealers there. I mean he's making you FEAR him and his ultimate judgement... right?
If fearing god is all that stops people from committing criminal offenses then I think there's something wrong with society, and common sense is severely lacking.
I realize that I will no doubt offend people with my post but I just could not let it go at that statement fully knowing that if someone compared the man to BushMonkey's beliefs he'd more then likely do the same.
I never said i did not consider God to be a monster now did i? Or incapable of inflicting pain upon people he does it everyday and men do it in his name everyday. Why because there is no judgement or fear of judgement. They do it because they think its God will now don't they?
I included athiest because they are as capable of monstorous activities as religious people are. And i did not want to offend the religious by singleing them out.
Or are you suggesting athiest are pure as the wind driven snow and would never do such a thing?
I am by no means saying that atheists are pure as the wind driven snow. To me, when you asked whether he was atheist along with saying that a god fearing man would not commit such a thing came across to me as a statement of "a god fearing man can do no evil". To this effect I could postulate that a person who is polytheistic would be even more "god fearing", perhaps to the point where he/she would be so afraid that they'd never leave their home for fear of stepping on an ant and offending the countless gods of the pantheon whom would in turn exact their judgment and condemn him to whatever pit of damnation he/she might believe.
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if you unscrew the rambo knife. there is thread and needle inside of it.
perhaps the killer flunked out from med school and wanted to show his educators that he can stitch properly.
or perhaps not.
i wonder his name...i wonder the killers name..has it been released???
-I will subtlety invade your psyche-
I am by no means saying that atheists are pure as the wind driven snow. To me, when you asked whether he was atheist along with saying that a god fearing man would not commit such a thing came across to me as a statement of "a god fearing man can do no evil". To this effect I could postulate that a person who is polytheistic would be even more "god fearing", perhaps to the point where he/she would be so afraid that they'd never leave their home for fear of stepping on an ant and offending the countless gods of the pantheon whom would in turn exact their judgment and condemn him to whatever pit of damnation he/she might believe.
I never said anything about God fearing i asked if he belonged to a certain faith, i only know of one faith that regularly decapitates people. But if i asked if he belonged to the faith that shall not be named i believed i would be slammed for being racist or bigoted , maybe it was an act of terror and he neglected to shout the slogan of said religion so in order to not cause trouble i asked if he belonged to a certain faith or was he atheiest. for all we know at the moment he could of been hari krishna or a scientologist, I am sorry if adding Athiest to the equation struck a chord with you.
Good comeback in the above post "fear of stepping on an ant" priceless lol
And i do not believe anyone religious would be incapable of such an act, i merely have to look at history for the answer to that/crusades/Jhad/inqusistion. Religion can mess you up.
And as for god fearing let me add this from the bible :First Kings chapter 18 verse 40
And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one escape. And they took them:And Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon and slew them there.
That was 450 prophets of Baal and it is believed he cut there throats apparently under the proper stimulis even the God fearing will commit not just murder but mass murder.
But i do believe this i fear God, i behave myself and he lets me live, and he must at least find it acceptable.
Perhaps he will teach me to not only fear him but love him and my fellow man made in his image, altho i do find it a struggle
Again i am sorry if i offended you or anyone else in my question as to whether he was religious or atheist.
An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude.
I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
I am educated enough to know this http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
First you disarm the Jew then you gas him.
http://www.jpfo.org/common-sense/cs17.htm The communist also have a penchant for disarming there populace. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chinadeaths1.html
I have to ask this, What flows from the barrel of a gun?
I beleive only 2 things Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
And tyrany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums3/album.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-30/39902.html
http://www.futurodecuba.org/castro's_gulag.htm
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
I have never seen somebody so completely and thoroughly own another person on these forums...jeez.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
You guys debating the God vs atheism angle might both be incorrect. I'm not saying the perpetrator of this horrendous crime is, but the first thing I wondered is whether or not he might be a Satanist, neither worshiping God nor discounting His existence, but instead worshiping His arch-enemy. It's true the number of overt Satan worshipers is not very high, but they are out there. And as the embodiment of evil, it might be this guy's desire to commit evil acts himself. It's even possible that he is without even admiting it to himself or anyone else. His background will surely come out as his future unfolds. Personal beliefs may have had absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. Maybe he was just on some wicked drug and it caused him to hallucinate or something.
Who knows. Mabye a funcom dev finally snapped
There was one woman on antipsycotic medication that threw her baby off a 2nd story balcony.
An armed society is a polite society,Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life
Biggest bullshit statement ever,try and read your history in where armed nations got themselves with this sort of attitude.
I see you are from the US so if your statement is right why care who has wmd's they can just be more polite and also instead of helping in Iraq just give everyone some sort of weapon as then they will all be polite.
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Perhaps we can just disarm ourselves and march ourselves off to the death camps and gulags and save ourselves from the evils of private gun ownership?
are you fucking kidding me?
You talk about arming a nation and now being marched off to a death camp!!
I have no problem with ppl having a gun license none at all as long as it is used properly through gun clubs etc but when you talk of arming a nation to make it better is nonsense.
Also now you go on about death camps,have you any fucking idea what the people at the death camps went through?
You are comming across as a very uneducated man,I suggest you do some research.
I am educated enough to know this http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
First you disarm the Jew then you gas him.
http://www.jpfo.org/common-sense/cs17.htm The communist also have a penchant for disarming there populace. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chinadeaths1.html
I have to ask this, What flows from the barrel of a gun?
I beleive only 2 things Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
And tyrany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums3/album.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-30/39902.html
http://www.futurodecuba.org/castro's_gulag.htm
You may say death only flows from the barrel of a gun, but i say death happens to us all so why be afraid of it, it is only a matter of how you face it on your feet or on your knees.
I prefer the freedom to defend myself from the tyrany of unreasonable men.
Why would i believe after having taken my guns someone/whoever wouldn't take everything else?
The good will of my fellow men? Don't make me laugh, men will kill you for power,money, and because some like it, yes they are actually evil/considers the jewish children thrown alive into the furnaces without remorse by the Nazi's . So until all unreasonable men are gone i would prefer keeping my guns.
So until you have someone stick a knife in your face demanding your wallet containing 5 dollars by some scumbag or a price on your head because you have pissed off a bunch of drugdealers don't judge me.
I am afraid it is you who has missed the lessons of history.
Hell they will kill you for your tennis shoes in America, they will kill you for a car length in rush hour traffic.
And they will kill you because there are some sick sadistic bastards out there.
I prefer to live in peace security and freedom and the gun is the shortest route to that end.
This really is the difference between the States and Canada. You have cowboys, we have a rail road.
It its too bad about this whole even, wether the young man we previously known to police, or the assailant is currently unknown. This could have been planned.
I leave the life taking to the courts and police. A handgun never saved me, never saved my parents, never saved anybody ive even known.
If you want to carry a gun, great, thats why you live in the States and not in Canada. But dont go throwing propaganda and trying to over justify your vigilantism.
An armed society is polite? I'm sorry, but America is not a polite society. Neither is Africa, or war torn countries. I don't see your argument as solid at all, im sorry.
You trust only yourself to defend you and your family, I have trust in my legal and police system, I trust my government and fellow man. So far its worked for everyone ive ever met and been related to, Im sure you can say the same for yourself and your strategy, apprently they both work.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
this was your 777 post ..i think you might be right.lets see what his back ground is.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
another reason for me to get a gun, and a concealed gun license, as soon as i can.
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Well bushmonkey it seems we dont live in different countries but different worlds,I am sorry but I still dont see how arming everyone makes the world better,maybe there are ppl that have saved live's because they were carry a side arm and it doesnt get as much coverage as say 2 students killing there class mates in columbine,I live in a society were we use the police and laws,sure I have been jumped by people for little more than there enjoyment and we have fought,thank god though niether of us had a gun,cuts and bruises heal over.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
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so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
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so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so fucked up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
why dont you read the thread before you start your stupid insults,a post was made earlier asking if bus drivers carried ranged weapons,that is what I was refering to,trolling at its best.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so fucked up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
why dont you read the thread before you start your stupid insults,a post was made earlier asking if bus drivers carried ranged weapons,that is what I was refering to,trolling at its best.
i am replying to the posts im quoting, im not talking about the posts in the other pages, im waiting for a well thought out reply.
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sinhealer, he has a point....your debates aren't very thought out...just a bunch of flaming and stuff. Just hugs man..no bad words...just hugs
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
i didnt think the person who was teaching the class would give the soccer mom or the inadequate person a license if he didnt think it was a good idea .... although i dunno .....
And in California, only celebrities, politicians and police type people can only carry a gun legally. My dad tryed to get a permit(he has one in AZ) but was denied because he wasnt famous or ina police related job. And i cant imagine other states making you take all those training, courses and tests etc. California is a bit more liberal then the rest of the U.S.
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so how much time will the person in the OP's story need to fully recover?
Like I have said before this was a terrible act but also like I said before would it have been better or even alot more worse if the passengers and bus driver were armed with side arms and shotguns?
I wont reply again in this topic as it seems people have there own strong beliefs and it has gone way off topic and like I said maybe 4 pages back this just opens a whole new can of worms.
shotguns? wtf kinda fantasy land are you thinking of. You are taught when you are aloud to use your CONCEALED firearm (Pistol). Its not like they give them away like fuckin candy at your local willy wonka store. Your generalization of "arming civilians" is so screwed up im glad this is your last post in this thread. You go and take a class for a day to get your license. During that class you are tuaght of the laws and rules. Unlike the class you go to to use/carry knives ... oh wait ....
While I am pro-gun ownership and myself have a permit for both open and concealed carry ( due to my profession ), one days training that the average person ( i.e. someone who's never even handled a gun before ) recieves is inadequate as hell, and can/does do more harm than good in alot of cases. It's one of the reasons obtaining a concealed weapons permit here in California has been made hard as hell/next to impossible to do. Every law abiding person should have the right to carry a gun, but they should have to go through rigorous training, for a few weeks at least, in order to exercise that right.
Whereas I have P.O.S.T. certification training along with yearly mandatory refresher courses, re-qualification tests, and an upbringing in a home/environment of gun owners, the average soccer mom who goes and gets a concealed permit because she's afraid to shop alone at night can be more of a threat than the criminals she's afraid of.
i didnt think the person who was teaching the class would give the soccer mom or the inadequate person a license if he didnt think it was a good idea .... although i dunno .....
And in California, only celebrities, politicians and police type people can only carry a gun legally. My dad tryed to get a permit(he has one in AZ) but was denied because he wasnt famous or ina police related job. And i cant imagine other states making you take all those training, courses and tests etc. California is a bit more liberal then the rest of the U.S.
The reason I got mine was because part of my profession involves asset and personal protection. My concealed carry is based on travelling with large amounts of ( other peoples ) money as well as sometimes having to provide escort services ( not THAT kind of escort lol ) as a part of my business. While my concealed carry is restricted to certain business activities only, my open carry is only restricted by my main job function ( security consulting and private security operator ), which since I am "on duty" at all hours leaves me pretty much open as far as that goes.
And for the record, I do not normally walk around in public strapped like Dirty Harry. lol
I can understand daylights frustrations. Hes grown up Canadian it sounds like, and quite frankly many of you guys have polar opposite ideals to what we have up in Canada, to the point of where you guys come off sounding almost scary lol.
Just understand that although it makes perfect senes to you guys, its not the only way. and I think thats what a lot of you fail to grasp.
Edit: about the shotgun comment earlier, he was talking about how somebody earlier had mentioned that they thought grayhound drivers carried shotguns.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...