I'm honestly getting sick of seeing these threads and people saying its bad in BETA. Before you say anything about a game that harsh while in BETA and within a months release, you should have your mouth either stapled shut or your keyboard broken. Possibly both. BETA is the keyword to look at for all you "jump to conclusion no time to let the game mature kthxbai going to WAR" kids. I bet WAR will have the near same reaction of people saying "OH ITS GOING TO SUCK BECAUSE ITS BETA AND THE FULL RELEASE WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME!"
Beta and full release might not be EXACTLY the same, but I bet they'll be close. Even MMO history repeats itself.
Thanks to all that replied to my post. I cant discount that you guys arent having problems, but i just wanted to post my experiences thus far. The bottomline is that i'm not alone. I would just hate to see a game with this much potential go the way of Vanguard. I wish i could say these were isolated instances, but i was on ventrilo with 3 other guys last night who i've been gaming with for the past 6 years and the most common phrase for the night was "*sigh* crashed again... brb". It's just not a promising sign at this point in the game. Fortunately, from a dev post i just read, it seems like they're trying to remedy a lot of these issues in the short-term. I would never attempt to dissuade people from playing and i think once AoC is fully stable it'll be a monster MMO. I just hope that the initial blow back from the problems i'm having doesn't persist well down the line, such that it loses a % of initial subs from bugs/engine issues.
nice single player campaign though, and nice graphics.
The game is nothing special beside the single player campaign, it might mature in time though, give it 6 months? but by then Aion, Chronicles of spellborn, and warhammer are out.
Aion got no NDA , the developers feel they got nothing to hide, its that good.
Chronicles of spellborn got a nice combat wheel, you will have to take strategic choices with skills. Its coming along really nice in beta, gonna be the bomb. One con though, no pvp
this is what happens to mmorpgs when investors start wanting to see a return in profits...
oh really? Don't you expect a return in your investments?
The problem with expecting a return is having an anticipation of spectacular return.
Ala the boogeyman of MMO's, WoW.
Investors will, reflexively, without understanding what attracts playrs to specific MMOs, say "why aren't your numbers like WoW's?"
This is where the fun begins.
SWG was destroyed because it wasn't living up to expectations, and this penny-ante IP called WoW came along and kicked the ass of George Lucas' greatest IP in the history of IPs which was by the way pushed out the door prematurely because the investors wanted ROI right this fracking second.
There is precious little room for innovation in the MMO marketplace thanks to Blizzard's success, for whatever reason it's been successful.
The investors, who know NOTHING about games, for the most part, want that sweet sweet WoW lucre. Nothing less will satisfy them.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Originally posted by Arcona Chronicles of spellborn got a nice combat wheel, you will have to take strategic choices with skills. Its coming along really nice in beta, gonna be the bomb. One con though, no pvp
Actually, it does have PVP, but they haven't said exactly how it would turn out. I suspect it's related to the five houses you get to choose to join at a certain level (around level 10 I think), which gives the possibility for a sort of cold war kind of combat. Who knows.
Lets put it this way. Closed beta testers have been crashing the first 13 lvls for past 5 months. Secondly - there are not all that suffer from these crashes. But many do. The famous words of "not me" is always good to hear in a MMO game. But you know what - The guy you group up with might do.... About 75% of testers are having client crashing every 2-3 loading screens - the map turning gray and graphics start to look bad around you. What is it ? Its called memory leak - its on high lvl in AOC and has not been fixed in the first 13 lvls of gameplay for the past months. And we are two weeks from launch Conclution - game client is not stable for many 2 weeks from launch. It will not be so in two weeks.
Alanon, next time you play for a while, exit the game and look in your task manager. See that thing labeled "Age Of Conan" that's STILL running, and using a massive amount of resources? That's the debugger / logger still running. THAT is your "memory leak". That will ne be in the release client.
After getting done playing last night, that thing was bloated up to over 600mb. Not kidding.
Originally posted by Wharg0ul WTF do you mean false?
Well, either this client is an older version, which I suspect because they used a similar old client for PVP, and thus if we assume this is the final form of the client then it will have major optimization issues. Again, if we assume that this is the final client, because no debugger to my knowledge takes this much overhead. I will have this, though, I hope they got a decent scalable network because I think that's going to be more of a problem than client performance from some of the lag spikes I encountered while being in an instance of Tortage.
Debug code can potentially cause some fps drops but shouldn't be too major (unless the debug code itself is poorly done), and certainly cant be held responsible for crashes, bugs, and the like, which also seem to be major issues. I'm a bit dissipointed that so many people seem to want to make excuses about it rather than own up to it, because that isn't going to help the genre at all. SoE is about making excuses, and I was content to let them be the ones that operated that way because it was easy to just avoid their products.. do we really want to nurture more SOE's with over-forgiveness?
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
I agree with you on this. I was going to play Conan, however i think its a joke. Even the way the player runs in the game, who runs like that, you look retarded.
I also agree, a game that is due to come out should run much better and your right its beta, however they patch if, we play and they patch it we play... thats how they fix it, its a very poor game and it will not be the next big mmorpg, now lets see what happenes with warhammer as conan is like eq2, they shot themselfs in the foot.
The only thing this game has going for it is the graphics, however the plants that turn with you as you walk by is also very cheezey
I agree with you on this. I was going to play Conan, however i think its a joke. Even the way the player runs in the game, who runs like that, you look retarded.
I also agree, a game that is due to come out should run much better and your right its beta, however they patch if, we play and they patch it we play... thats how they fix it, its a very poor game and it will not be the next big mmorpg, now lets see what happenes with warhammer as conan is like eq2, they shot themselfs in the foot.
The only thing this game has going for it is the graphics, however the plants that turn with you as you walk by is also very cheezey
Two posts in 5 and a half years.. you deserve an award. With such great credibility behind you I expect you to change the minds of thousands of people pondering if they should play this game.
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I have to say this game has been very disappointing. 1. Instances everywhere. You have these giants doors in the middle of the wilderness everywhere. How ridiculous. And you have 5 minute load times to get into these doors 2 . Invisible walls everywhere. You cannot just roam freely around the world like in other games. You basically have to stay on the road and thats it. 3 The "revolutionary" combat system is actually just pressing 1,2,3 over and over again. 4. very buggy and crashes all the time. A game 2 weeks from release shouldn't have this many bugs. 5 Very laggy around other people. You need a really good computer to play this game. 6 very poor skill customization. Very few skill to choose from. Can't choose your stats and such
The game has good graphics , but thats about it. It doesn't really have anything else good going for it. I know they haven't shown us the whole game, but this is the part they wanted to show us. And this part isn't very good. The only thing that could save the game is if the PVP and sieges are really good. I will have to wait and see on that. I certainly won't be buying this game now.
1. The beginning of the game is singleplayer and designed that way. It is a tutorial and story intro. You are on a instanced island not directly connected to the rest of the world. You will be able to leave the island and, explore the rest of the world. The, game is no more instanced than WoW. Load times where not an issue either. 20 - 25 seconds.
2. never experienced this. It was an issue in closed beta but, again I never saw anything like this.
3. And Tekken, Mortal Combat, and Street Fighter II and just pressing punch and, kick. When you press a direction to attack the character reacts instantly and, I recieve combat text telling me the status on the attack about .3 to .5 seconds after the attack.
4. This was Open Beta. Meant to test the stablity of the servers. You will lose connection, freeze and you will crash while loading.
5. I didn't experience any lag.
6. ??? Each class has 3 trees of feats to advance in, 1000s of skill points across your stats to be distributed while you level. Finally you have all your attacks, spells, etc. You advance in 3 different areas and the end results for one class can vary greatly for person to person.
You are just a troll, your PC sucks (obviously), and you are probably just bitter because your comp can't run the game well. The game is beautiful. The combat is fun. You are a fool.
I love these pre-release forum threads they are very entertaining.
I have played beta for Neocron, Eve, WOW and EQ2 and every criticism posted againist Funcom over the state of playability in their beta is the exact same as was posted and experienced in all of the others.
For those of you who did the AO beta - now that was a reeal nightmare. The others all had massive lag in beta ( mainly due to running bug finders in parallel with the client. The launch will be a lot better but you should still expect lag and other stability issues. EVERY sngle MMO I have played at launch has been the same so I expect nothing different here.
However, it will not deter me from buying and trying the game one bit as I knnow that the game stability will quickly get better post launch and I am willing and happy to work through that.
My advice to new players who are wondering whether to buy at launch is too have realistic expectations of the first few weeks. If this bothers you then wait and watch the threads post launch as they tend to be more useful to helping you form a view for yourself. Most people will buy the game regardless of their beta gripes - its addictive to be there on launch day.
Good Luck Funcom. I still believe MMO development is still in its infancy and i dont expect any company, no matter what size and past experience, to be perfect at such a huge undertaking.
It might be difficult to call AoC a bad game especially since many enjoyed it. But it is also hard to argue it is of the level of Ultima online , Anarchy Online and others. So, what went wrong? The easiest argument is minor miscalculations. Take Funcoms own Anarchy Online much way better then AoC (not the graphics of course which are out of date) .The same can be said for most games out now and will be out . So, what causes bad games? Lack of funding? Bad developers? I dont want to see even the best developers can turn out bad games now and then. AoC runs not good enough acording to its name and devolopers .And miles away Form the dream game which I dreamed.
loved diablo LOVED UO LOVED ANARCHY online LOVE vanguard Try and see the future
There's a nice game in there somewhere but after playing the FP open beta and keeping in mind that this game is released in under three weeks, I expect launch to be an epic fail. The cries of "it's beta!" and "there's a debugger" just don't hold water at this point. Well, they never really do, but there you go. If you hold your breath for a miracle patch, prepare to die because they just don't happen this close to release. People with decent gaming machines are reporting stalling graphics, tedious loading times, lag... flashback to AO. There are HUGE memory leaks which Funcom seems to be blaming on the debugger, too, but I'll bet real money they're still there at release and are still the size of the Grand Canyon. They can spin it all they like, as usual, but launch day will tell the truth. I still want the pretty box, but I have a feeling it'll be sitting on the shelf for several months while this game cooks. When it's done, I think I'll like it. I may actually turn off gore though, because it's almost silly in it's extreme. I don't need that to enjoy a game. I wish they had been a bit more realistic. I haven't seen nipples yet because I think they have them turned off. I did hear, however, that they need fixing because they poke through your clothing. How awesome is that? It made me laugh! I'm also not crazy about the early level clothing and a lot of the hair styles and body markings. That stuff is really trivial, though. Please bake this game more!
PS I won't be unhappy if I'm completely and utterly wrong and the miracle fairy patches the hell out of it!
You should by the German version then, heh. We have the mirrored moral than US. Sex and nipples is fine but ONOZ IZ BLOD!
Overall I share you view, I too think it will be an epic fail, but I also hope they get it right and get the turn. I will keep watching its development, and see how it gets.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Not every game is for everyone and if it isn't for you from the core of it's design then all of the debating or digging won't make it work for you. Maybe it will entertain you for a little while, but no matter how hard you try it won't be what you want it to be. I know exactly how it feels because that's how WoW was for me. No matter how many of my friends played, or how good it got reviewed, or anything could get me past the fact that it just didn't work for me from it's core design.
However to some players this core design is something that appeals to us more than any other MMORPG to date. We will love the game, and enjoy every minute of it including the hiccups at launch. Maybe the amount of players that this appeals to vs. the amount it turns off is much greater than other games, but it is the same principle. For those that it appeals to we have something great, and to the others I guess you will have to keep waiting or go back to whatever games you are comparing AoC to if they are that much better.
I have to say this game has been very disappointing. 1. Instances everywhere. You have these giants doors in the middle of the wilderness everywhere. How ridiculous. And you have 5 minute load times to get into these doors 2 . Invisible walls everywhere. You cannot just roam freely around the world like in other games. You basically have to stay on the road and thats it. 3 The "revolutionary" combat system is actually just pressing 1,2,3 over and over again. 4. very buggy and crashes all the time. A game 2 weeks from release shouldn't have this many bugs. 5 Very laggy around other people. You need a really good computer to play this game. 6 very poor skill customization. Very few skill to choose from. Can't choose your stats and such
The game has good graphics , but thats about it. It doesn't really have anything else good going for it. I know they haven't shown us the whole game, but this is the part they wanted to show us. And this part isn't very good. The only thing that could save the game is if the PVP and sieges are really good. I will have to wait and see on that. I certainly won't be buying this game now.
Instances or Zones? If the latter, then don't knock zones; zones are great for community building and sense of geography (i.e., where I am).
Also, choosing one's stats is a recipe for self-gimping. No need to choose stats; they should be unique to class and level up as appropriate.
Posted this in a similar thread in the AoC forums: Lets list what i found last night:
- The game wont boot in DX10 mode for me
- After pressing the play button, i get to sit and stare at a stuck screen for 2 minutes before any kind of splash screen comes up.
- Login server errors at least once per time i attempt to log in/create a char.
- 2 minute zoning times once you finally get in the game
- Horrific choppiness when loading new textures into memory (Vanguard hitching all over again)
- periods of significant network latency
- w/ particles enabled, an annoying flashing/glitching that led to my first seizure
- An inventory and char sheet full of flashing question marks
- Falling through 50% of the bridges i crossed.
- Fell through the world twice.
- Got stuck underwater once
- Did i mention i crashed 8 times in 90 minutes of play?
I have to agree with everyone that's comparing this to Vanguard. I was an avid fan of the game during beta and i yelled and hollered at everyone who said the game wouldnt be ready. "It's just beta... It's still beta... It's a beta client... they still have debuggers running... they run on subpar servers to test load... etc etc". I was spouting it all as loud as i could. We all know how that ended up. I sincerely hope that's NOT what happens with AoC, but the issues i'm seeing are NOT due to a simple bug or two. AoC still has significant stability and engine issues to work out.
Is what it is folks. Feel free to defend the issue, but i wont be suckered into doing so again. If Funcom can prove me wrong, they've got a customer for life, but i just dont see it happening.
I'm sorry for you and all the other who have experienced these problems.. but I didn't. The only problem I had was crashing and it was resolved entirely after the performance patch. Maybe you have a crappy computer, maybe you are computer illiterate, maybe you are unlucky, or maybe it's all three. I don't know. I've played on several computers and it all runs pretty solid. By all means, don't play if you can't stand it.. but like I said, I didn't have this problems... Sorry for your issues.
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After reading these forums for quite some time, I've decided that for every "game is a loser" hater, there is one "game is awesome" fanatic.
Sadly, while I like this website, the fan reviews and comments pretty much suck. Basically, there's an incredible amount of close-mindedness on what...should and should not be....in an MMO.
My personally? I'll probably wait to see how Age of Conan progresses after release. I'm more interested in how the community and features develop after widespread integration.
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Sadly, while I like this website, the fan reviews and comments pretty much suck. Basically, there's an incredible amount of close-mindedness on what...should and should not be....in an MMO.
Its not close mindedness. People simply have different likes and dislikes about things in MMORPGS
And they must continue to post about how terrible the game is to them and wont stop until they convince every last person, animal, virus, and bacterial infection in the world.
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Beta and full release might not be EXACTLY the same, but I bet they'll be close. Even MMO history repeats itself.
Thanks to all that replied to my post. I cant discount that you guys arent having problems, but i just wanted to post my experiences thus far. The bottomline is that i'm not alone. I would just hate to see a game with this much potential go the way of Vanguard. I wish i could say these were isolated instances, but i was on ventrilo with 3 other guys last night who i've been gaming with for the past 6 years and the most common phrase for the night was "*sigh* crashed again... brb". It's just not a promising sign at this point in the game. Fortunately, from a dev post i just read, it seems like they're trying to remedy a lot of these issues in the short-term. I would never attempt to dissuade people from playing and i think once AoC is fully stable it'll be a monster MMO. I just hope that the initial blow back from the problems i'm having doesn't persist well down the line, such that it loses a % of initial subs from bugs/engine issues.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Age of conan got lousy items,
5 minute zoning sometimes
no revolutionary realtime combat,
nice single player campaign though, and nice graphics.
The game is nothing special beside the single player campaign, it might mature in time though, give it 6 months? but by then Aion, Chronicles of spellborn, and warhammer are out.
Aion got no NDA , the developers feel they got nothing to hide, its that good.
Chronicles of spellborn got a nice combat wheel, you will have to take strategic choices with skills. Its coming along really nice in beta, gonna be the bomb. One con though, no pvp
oh really? Don't you expect a return in your investments?
The problem with expecting a return is having an anticipation of spectacular return.
Ala the boogeyman of MMO's, WoW.
Investors will, reflexively, without understanding what attracts playrs to specific MMOs, say "why aren't your numbers like WoW's?"
This is where the fun begins.
SWG was destroyed because it wasn't living up to expectations, and this penny-ante IP called WoW came along and kicked the ass of George Lucas' greatest IP in the history of IPs which was by the way pushed out the door prematurely because the investors wanted ROI right this fracking second.
There is precious little room for innovation in the MMO marketplace thanks to Blizzard's success, for whatever reason it's been successful.
The investors, who know NOTHING about games, for the most part, want that sweet sweet WoW lucre. Nothing less will satisfy them.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
-- Brede
After getting done playing last night, that thing was bloated up to over 600mb. Not kidding.
false
WTF do you mean false?
-- Brede
LoL - I like to call it the Vanboi syndrome.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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Debug code can potentially cause some fps drops but shouldn't be too major (unless the debug code itself is poorly done), and certainly cant be held responsible for crashes, bugs, and the like, which also seem to be major issues. I'm a bit dissipointed that so many people seem to want to make excuses about it rather than own up to it, because that isn't going to help the genre at all. SoE is about making excuses, and I was content to let them be the ones that operated that way because it was easy to just avoid their products.. do we really want to nurture more SOE's with over-forgiveness?
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Oh looky there, another person thinking there is going to be some miracle patch between now and two weeks.
LoL - I like to call it the Vanboi syndrome.
And it will be the AoC boi syndrome soon because it will be the worst launch ever.
Welcome to every MMO on the planet.
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I agree with you on this. I was going to play Conan, however i think its a joke. Even the way the player runs in the game, who runs like that, you look retarded.
I also agree, a game that is due to come out should run much better and your right its beta, however they patch if, we play and they patch it we play... thats how they fix it, its a very poor game and it will not be the next big mmorpg, now lets see what happenes with warhammer as conan is like eq2, they shot themselfs in the foot.
The only thing this game has going for it is the graphics, however the plants that turn with you as you walk by is also very cheezey
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Two posts in 5 and a half years.. you deserve an award. With such great credibility behind you I expect you to change the minds of thousands of people pondering if they should play this game.
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2. never experienced this. It was an issue in closed beta but, again I never saw anything like this.
3. And Tekken, Mortal Combat, and Street Fighter II and just pressing punch and, kick. When you press a direction to attack the character reacts instantly and, I recieve combat text telling me the status on the attack about .3 to .5 seconds after the attack.
4. This was Open Beta. Meant to test the stablity of the servers. You will lose connection, freeze and you will crash while loading.
5. I didn't experience any lag.
6. ??? Each class has 3 trees of feats to advance in, 1000s of skill points across your stats to be distributed while you level. Finally you have all your attacks, spells, etc. You advance in 3 different areas and the end results for one class can vary greatly for person to person.
You are just a troll, your PC sucks (obviously), and you are probably just bitter because your comp can't run the game well. The game is beautiful. The combat is fun. You are a fool.
I love these pre-release forum threads they are very entertaining.
I have played beta for Neocron, Eve, WOW and EQ2 and every criticism posted againist Funcom over the state of playability in their beta is the exact same as was posted and experienced in all of the others.
For those of you who did the AO beta - now that was a reeal nightmare. The others all had massive lag in beta ( mainly due to running bug finders in parallel with the client. The launch will be a lot better but you should still expect lag and other stability issues. EVERY sngle MMO I have played at launch has been the same so I expect nothing different here.
However, it will not deter me from buying and trying the game one bit as I knnow that the game stability will quickly get better post launch and I am willing and happy to work through that.
My advice to new players who are wondering whether to buy at launch is too have realistic expectations of the first few weeks. If this bothers you then wait and watch the threads post launch as they tend to be more useful to helping you form a view for yourself. Most people will buy the game regardless of their beta gripes - its addictive to be there on launch day.
Good Luck Funcom. I still believe MMO development is still in its infancy and i dont expect any company, no matter what size and past experience, to be perfect at such a huge undertaking.
To err is human....to play is divine
It might be difficult to call AoC a bad game especially since many enjoyed it. But it is also hard to argue it is of the level of Ultima online , Anarchy Online and others. So, what went wrong? The easiest argument is minor miscalculations. Take Funcoms own Anarchy Online much way better then AoC (not the graphics of course which are out of date) .The same can be said for most games out now and will be out . So, what causes bad games? Lack of funding? Bad developers? I dont want to see even the best developers can turn out bad games now and then. AoC runs not good enough acording to its name and devolopers .And miles away Form the dream game which I dreamed.
loved diablo
LOVED UO
LOVED ANARCHY online
LOVE vanguard
Try and see the future
Unless LOTRO is not an MMO or not from your planet.
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LoL - I like to call it the Vanboi syndrome.
It would have been funny if it weren't true. Maybe you should create an entry on wikipedia.
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Overall I share you view, I too think it will be an epic fail, but I also hope they get it right and get the turn. I will keep watching its development, and see how it gets.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Not every game is for everyone and if it isn't for you from the core of it's design then all of the debating or digging won't make it work for you. Maybe it will entertain you for a little while, but no matter how hard you try it won't be what you want it to be. I know exactly how it feels because that's how WoW was for me. No matter how many of my friends played, or how good it got reviewed, or anything could get me past the fact that it just didn't work for me from it's core design.
However to some players this core design is something that appeals to us more than any other MMORPG to date. We will love the game, and enjoy every minute of it including the hiccups at launch. Maybe the amount of players that this appeals to vs. the amount it turns off is much greater than other games, but it is the same principle. For those that it appeals to we have something great, and to the others I guess you will have to keep waiting or go back to whatever games you are comparing AoC to if they are that much better.
Also, choosing one's stats is a recipe for self-gimping. No need to choose stats; they should be unique to class and level up as appropriate.
I'm sorry for you and all the other who have experienced these problems.. but I didn't. The only problem I had was crashing and it was resolved entirely after the performance patch. Maybe you have a crappy computer, maybe you are computer illiterate, maybe you are unlucky, or maybe it's all three. I don't know. I've played on several computers and it all runs pretty solid. By all means, don't play if you can't stand it.. but like I said, I didn't have this problems... Sorry for your issues.
After reading these forums for quite some time, I've decided that for every "game is a loser" hater, there is one "game is awesome" fanatic.
Sadly, while I like this website, the fan reviews and comments pretty much suck. Basically, there's an incredible amount of close-mindedness on what...should and should not be....in an MMO.
My personally? I'll probably wait to see how Age of Conan progresses after release. I'm more interested in how the community and features develop after widespread integration.
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Its not close mindedness. People simply have different likes and dislikes about things in MMORPGS
And they must continue to post about how terrible the game is to them and wont stop until they convince every last person, animal, virus, and bacterial infection in the world.