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ArmorDillianArmorDillian Member UncommonPosts: 275

I try to understand how you make spiritshots and soulshots.

 

Can all make them =?

Or do I buy them off some NPC vendor ?

 

I really want to understand this part before I play to long,

I have tried both on the L2 site and Stratics but cant find the answers.

 

please anyone explain how I can make these

 

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  • EllyrionEllyrion Member Posts: 193

    Soulshots and Spiritshots are crafted by Dwarves only.

    Your Dwarf has to have the following enablers to craft:

    1. Be the right level to gain access to the level of skill required to craft your desired grade of SS, SPS and BSPS;

    2. Spend the Skill Points to increase your crafting skill to the required level; and

    3. Obtain the relevant recipe for SS, SPS or BSPS as required.

    Regards,

    Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

    The Reckless Knight

    Lunatris

  • ArmorDillianArmorDillian Member UncommonPosts: 275

    thanks,

     

    seems to me then,  dwarf is the way to go then

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,195
    Originally posted by ArmorDillian


    thanks,
     
    seems to me then,  dwarf is the way to go then

     

    Whoa... stop!!!!

    Unless you love crafting and collecting and cataloging mats, do not roll a dwarf except for an alt.

    They are slow levelers, not really wanted/needed in parties (except for scavengers to get mats for the clan) and don't have a lot to their gameplay.

    If you are just rolling a dwarf main because you think it will make the game easier you are going to be surprised.

    So unless it's your "love", roll something that is going to be more fun.

  • ArmorDillianArmorDillian Member UncommonPosts: 275

    alrighty,  I like to play in parties so no dwarf then.

     

    Tell me please then, what class should I go with ?

     

    Is it like every other game,  tanks and healers are the ones that get parties ???

    I read some about paladins,  they seem to do pretty good in both parties and solo.

     

    Thanks in advance

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,195

    Originally posted by ArmorDillian


    alrighty,  I like to play in parties so no dwarf then.
     
    Tell me please then, what class should I go with ?
     
    Is it like every other game,  tanks and healers are the ones that get parties ???
    I read some about paladins,  they seem to do pretty good in both parties and solo.
     
    Thanks in advance

    Ok, so provided that you are clear as to the type of game this is (high grind, pvp, hard money making, etc)

    I assume that you want to melee. My guess is some sort of damage dealer like a destroyer, Tyrant, dagger, Gladiator.

    The problem is that so many people solo and dual box that many healers are just boxed. Parties are usually clan and alliance. There just aren't a huge amount of 'pick up' parties as you need to party with people you trust. Especially when there are wars going on.

    Why party with someone who is going to contact the clan you are at war with and give you away?

    So I think you need to find a clan who wants to put you in their clan or clan academy and sus out what they use for parties. Otherwise, my suggestions can work. Others might have more insight.

    Blade Dancers are usually wanted for parties but there are many of them. But most parties require them. Sword Singers as well though seemingly not as much as blade dancers.

  • VenajaVenaja Member Posts: 26

    Sov has god points. But this with party clan/ally only and pvp is more end game oriented.

    For a new player like you, end game is everything above lvl 65. Cause it's that distant and you wont see much of wars before that. And this all only applies to the established servers.

    This new server named Luna opened last wednesday and it is literally full of low lvl people who party just anyone that they find.

    About the soulshots: You can buy No Grade ones in regular NPC stores. D-grade and up you can buy from other players OR use something called "private manufacture" which is a craft shop that a dwarf can set up.

    If you got the materials needed you can craft it in the private manufacture (if the dwarf has set the shop with that specific recipe you need).

    As a first character I can recommend just anything except a healer. You would have a hard time leveling and people don't really like healers who don't know the game.

    So first learn, then play a healer :p

     

    When lightning strikes once, Venaja strikes twice!

  • ArmorDillianArmorDillian Member UncommonPosts: 275

    thanks alot guys.

     

    Very nice of you

  • EllyrionEllyrion Member Posts: 193

    ArmorDillian

    I'm not sure what your preferences for classes are, you haven't really indicated what brings you to the game.

    There is something important though that you must understand about Dwarves, before you discount them as an option to play.

    Consider this though, from a pure class skill focus:

    The Warsmith does have AoE melee and stun capability. They can also summon to help them level, which until recently nerfed was one of THE premier PLing techniques for any class. Having said that the nerf only affects Pling of others and not actual levelling of your Dwarf. Hence your party can significantly benefit from your presence, albeit it takes game knowledge and some player skill to pull off effectively. As with everything else in L2 there is more than meets the eye here, except ppl are too lazy to do research. Overall, Warsmiths are not a bad addition to the DD pool and awesome for AoE.

    The Scavenger is likewise AoE melee capable and has their innate ability to spoil which I'll cover later. Of the two dwarf melee classes this is by far the harder class to level up. The remainder of their abilities are limited in providing options to group play other than boosting the party's resource gain.

    from an L2 economy focus:

    If you like the look of dwarves and don't mind their melee focus, then they are the ONLY classes in L2 which will actually generate you a very steady income with minimal group support should you have to chose between 2 boxing your Dwarf or joining a clan, fighting within clan groups. 

    As a Warsmith your ability to craft items, set up larger shops allowing you to sell more items at once gives you a far superior pure trading platform. This is how the majority of ppl make their adena, in buying and selling of goods, so as a Warsmith you can do it a lot more efficiently. Similarly your ability to craft items puts you in a good position as the middle man of the economy. Crafting shops allow you to charge ppl for a service you KNOW they need. As you get higher level and get access to higher level recipes your profit margins will increase.

    As a Scavenger you have the uncanny ability to profit directly from game play as well as applying yourself to the trading game with an enhanced ability to sell items thats common to all Dwarves. More importantly the spoil skill which defines the Scavenger class is intrinsically tied into the game engine algorithms for the influx of items into the game. Put another way, the devs calculated the currently low drop rates of various materials on the basis that they would be higher if there was a spoiler in the group. Effectively groups without one are "ripping themselves off". As you gain levels you will note that spoils are not limited to materials but also enchant scrolls, potions and other oddities. In addition, once you get up to A grade and higher crafting you will realise that the rate of failure for crafting is artificially inflating the cost of the materials needed to craft. This is a boon at lower levels since as a low level crafter you are effectively catering to a high level market which has both an insatiable demand for your product and as far as you're concerned enough cash to fund their needs. Being able to access a high pay off market from the outset is not available to other classes on the scale that it is to spoilers, making them THE PREMIER money maker in the game.

    Thats not trying to shape you to make a dwarf but its good to understand why they exist in the game and what their strengths and weaknesses are. I've been playing long enough to consider the strategic aspects of some of the choices available to players. It may not be your cup of tea as you will not be uber in PvP or hack fields of mobs down in mere minutes as some archers will. Nevertheless you will hold a fundamental place in the game economy with far more self fund/help potential than any other class.

    Last but not least, do not forget that the object in L2 is to go beyond your initial class. This is the whole point of the subclass system. IF you like the Dwarf as a "skin" for your ultimate character then you can chose to play other more "fun" professions later on your subclass, with the knowledge that you won't need to resort to e-bay or botting to fund your enjoyment of the game.

    Anyway, food for thought.

    Regards,

    Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

    The Reckless Knight

    Lunatris

     

  • ArmorDillianArmorDillian Member UncommonPosts: 275

    now thats some nice info,  thanks alot

     

    You saying I can lvl a dwarf up to sertant lvl then start a subclass,  lets say some kind of archer (dont know if that possible),  will I then get that kind of skills,  ??

    I mean the archer skills + the dwarf skills ?

     

    Thanks again

  • RenithRenith Member Posts: 145

    Yes you will get archer skills, if you sub to an archer class, but those will not combine with your dwarf skills. You're just an archer in a dwarf suit. You can start subclassing at lvl 75, and it will take you a very, very LONG time to get there if you are playing legit. In order to get to lvl 75 you wil spend a shitload of time just grinding, and not to mention the quest to even subclass is a pain in the ass. Dwarves dont really grow quick, so make a good decision about what you're gonna be. Dwarves can make a lot of money but it's a huge time investment.

  • EllyrionEllyrion Member Posts: 193

    Originally posted by Renith


    Yes you will get archer skills, if you sub to an archer class, but those will not combine with your dwarf skills. You're just an archer in a dwarf suit. You can start subclassing at lvl 75, and it will take you a very, very LONG time to get there if you are playing legit. In order to get to lvl 75 you wil spend a shitload of time just grinding, and not to mention the quest to even subclass is a pain in the ass. Dwarves dont really grow quick, so make a good decision about what you're gonna be. Dwarves can make a lot of money but it's a huge time investment.
    There is now a direct relationship between the main class and the subclass in the form of passive skills for your main class which are based off your sub.

    If you actually play L2 and when your character gets high enough to benefit from this you will understand this a bit better. So I urge you to read up on these as it will be an important boost for your main class.

    If played legitimately EVERY class takes time to get to 75. All MMOs have "time sinks" built into them. Thats how they make money. However, one of the things which I like about L2 (EvE Onlie also has a great model for this) is that the biggest time sink in L2 focuses on levelling. In a game where levels are fundamentaly tied to your ability to succeed in both PvE and PvP this is a very important facet of maintaining a balance between always keeping you on a progression path, with a counterpoint of giving you sufficient edge over new players thereby rewarding your effort over time. Skill enchantment , subclass skill and the level curve in L2 ensure that those players who play actively from the begining of the game WILL maintain an edge over their competitors as long as their competitors play legitimately.  Effectively this is a very positive experience as once you get to the top you do enjoy the spoils of your efforts.

    This is where the REAL issue about botting comes in. The presence of bots in the world farming adena is irrelevant. If they block your leveling area you simply kill them. What is more insiduous is that the characers in the farm group are infact some shmucks PLing service and many of them end up as your opponents in the Olympiad or competitors for high level pay off PvE raids against epic bosses.

    Coming back to the point about the difficulty of progression in L2, the rate of progression in the game is not defined by your class but by your ability to understand your classes strengths and weaknesses. Once you grasp those, appreciating things your characters can do "outside the obvious box", then you can begin to apply some educated effort to set the optimal conditions for your character to level.

    Many ppl cannot grasp this and therefore play Archers and Direct Damage casters. They are the easiest to solo/duo BECAUSE their primary ROLE is to deal damage. Once you provide the support platform they are essentially self sufficient. This however is a playstyle choice. If you don't want to socialise online or only play casually and find it difficult to socialise, then this is probably a better path. Please note that the pickup game does not work effectively in L2. Don't get me wrong ppl do it all the time but it can be frustrating and you open yourself up to bitterness and disappointment especially when there is a whole item drop which cannot be split evenly between the group.

    The Devs considered this however , and once you understand how incredibly efficient and fast group play is and in particular AoE group play, then you will see that ALL classes in L2 can find parity in levelling here. It just takes more effort and know how to set up.

    This is the funny paradigm of L2, you can chose to grind OR not. The path of the grind IS simply more convenient. Group play is not hard to achieve but in L2 its fundamentally tied into clan allegiance and most well organised clans understand this and exploit it for the purpose of recruiting, raising and sustaining their membership.

    Suprisingly, most chose to grind and then complain about it, go figure ?

    Regards,

    Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

    The Reckless Knight

    Lunatris

     

  • RenithRenith Member Posts: 145
    Originally posted by Ellyrion


     
    Originally posted by Renith


    Yes you will get archer skills, if you sub to an archer class, but those will not combine with your dwarf skills. You're just an archer in a dwarf suit. You can start subclassing at lvl 75, and it will take you a very, very LONG time to get there if you are playing legit. In order to get to lvl 75 you wil spend a shitload of time just grinding, and not to mention the quest to even subclass is a pain in the ass. Dwarves dont really grow quick, so make a good decision about what you're gonna be. Dwarves can make a lot of money but it's a huge time investment.

     

     

    Coming back to the point about the difficulty of progression in L2, the rate of progression in the game is not defined by your class but by your ability to understand your classes strengths and weaknesses. Once you grasp those, appreciating things your characters can do "outside the obvious box", then you can begin to apply some educated effort to set the optimal conditions for your character to level.

     

     

    I don´t totally agree with this. Either I ´m getting you wrong or not but this is what I think, I started on Luna at the launch with a whole clan coming from private servers. We all picked our classes before launch, but clerics allready have problems gathering money. Sure they can gain experience, but can´t really grow since they hardly get money (if they use spiritshot / other consumptions they will loose more money than they gain, and without they can't xp). I as an Assasin (damage dealing class), have no problems with grinding at all. I can gain xp cheap, fast and I 'm hardly dieing.

  • EllyrionEllyrion Member Posts: 193

     



    I don´t totally agree with this. Either I ´m getting you wrong or not but this is what I think, I started on Luna at the launch with a whole clan coming from private servers. We all picked our classes before launch, but clerics allready have problems gathering money. Sure they can gain experience, but can´t really grow since they hardly get money (if they use spiritshot / other consumptions they will loose more money than they gain, and without they can't xp). I as an Assasin (damage dealing class), have no problems with grinding at all. I can gain xp cheap, fast and I 'm hardly dieing.



    I'm talking about group play.  People don't research what their skills do with respect to mobs weaknesses and group play combinations. Group play in L2 has gone beyond the 6 person 1 tank, 1 healer and some DD's/support classes for flavour of other MMO's. L2 requires that as you progress you develop an understanding of your environment and adapt.

    To elaborate, Chosing the "right" class is only "right" if it suits the scenario. Telling me that your clan came and chose their classes before launch, or that your clerics are finding it hard to make cash  is meaningless, because you have failed to describe how your clan is structured for playing as a clan.

    What are you levels for starters, whats your group make up and what are you trying to achieve? Are you making money? Getting mats? or XP?

    Sub 20 the skillset which defines each race/class character package, is very straightforward, melee or mystic and both paths give you damage dealing powers as well as support powers. The main differentiator here is the starting  racial attributes. The play process is simple and the limited skill set reasonably straightforward. Coupled with the newbie buffs which you get now, most ppl race through these levels without a drama.

    Nevertheless you still have options whether to go ranged, melee or AoE. AoE is very weak at this point, melee likewise is uninspiring which leaves you ranged. Anyone who can cast DD spells does so, everyone else gets a bow.

    However , on class change post 20 you have now differentiated your self into a role.

    The game changes !

    Your party make up, if you had one before has to change to suit what you're doing. There are many skills which are purpose designed in L2. The mobs have weaknesses to certain skills. You should now be exploring skill combinations within your group to optimise your DPS. Additionaly you will now begin to enter the larger world of L2 where you need to upgrade your equipment, craft it, enchant it and keep up a steady stream of consumables.

    Stating you have an Assassin, you have defined your level, but not your approach to group play. Saying that you're healers are struggling to make money but you're ok implies that you have not grasped the basics of group play in L2. Where are your clan crafters ? what are your clan spoilers doing to get your mats for crafting ? Why are your clan crafters not supplying you with sufficient SS/SpS or BSpS ? Get my drift ?

    You will not learn how to work together in the L2 sense of this concept and you will be weaker for it not only in PvE but more fundamentally in PvP down the line.

    Its great to hear that you have a clan, but you clearly need a lot more organisation to synergise your efforts and help each other progress. Without this you're nothing more than a friendly group of individuals sharing a chat channel each doing their own thing. Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with that playstyle, but it does not develop cohesiveness or efficiency for group/clan progression.

    By chosing a more "casual" approach to playing you must remain aware of other options for playing L2, not because its something you need to aspire to, but to prevent the spread of misinformation and blanket generalisations which confuse new players to L2 about many aspects of the game ranging from the rate of progression to subclassing, sieging and both 1v1 and group PvP.

    Regards,

    Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

    The Reckless Knight

    Lunatris

     

     

     

  • pussaykatpussaykat Member Posts: 791

    My dwarf is lvl 41 right now, she's a scavenger. I used to spam soulshots because everyone does that except i found myself spending all the money i was making in soulshots. Right now i don't really have gear issues and i prolly could get to 52 by spamming them but then i'd have < 1m and i woudn't be able to afford any new gear. I made a kamael alt because i found the whole dwarf thing very borring but that might be because of the whole rate at which things goes while not spamming ss.

    I don't know what's best and i don't know what i actually want. Last noticeble thing that happened was me deleveling to 40 to get a rec for salamender mail for my alt. Key mats were spoilable and a guildie provided the basic mats. Now plan was to get the boots to go with them only the mob i need to spoil comes with 3 other mobs every time. I need to make levels to be able to survive that group.

    Anyway, should i just give up on making money and spam soulshots and should i just give up the dwarf and play the kamael (29 i think).

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  • EllyrionEllyrion Member Posts: 193

    Originally posted by pussaykat


    My dwarf is lvl 41 right now, she's a scavenger. I used to spam soulshots because everyone does that except i found myself spending all the money i was making in soulshots. Right now i don't really have gear issues and i prolly could get to 52 by spamming them but then i'd have < 1m and i woudn't be able to afford any new gear. I made a kamael alt because i found the whole dwarf thing very borring but that might be because of the whole rate at which things goes while not spamming ss.
    I don't know what's best and i don't know what i actually want. Last noticeble thing that happened was me deleveling to 40 to get a rec for salamender mail for my alt. Key mats were spoilable and a guildie provided the basic mats. Now plan was to get the boots to go with them only the mob i need to spoil comes with 3 other mobs every time. I need to make levels to be able to survive that group.
    Anyway, should i just give up on making money and spam soulshots and should i just give up the dwarf and play the kamael (29 i think).

    I would recommend you stick to your Dwarf, the Kamael are a DD class and if you're concerned about spending SS you will tear a hole in your pocket with a Kamael. With a spoiler at least you can spoil mats to supplement the adena drops. Besides that I hate seeing ppl waste their efforts.

    In addition, you need to get a pole arm for your Dwarf and start AoE groupping. This is a must for mid levels. As one of the few classes which gets polearm masteries you will be able to strike more mobs per swing. Remember whether you're hitting one mob or 5 you still use 3 or 1 SS ( B or A grade) . So logically its better to use 1 SS hitting 5 mobs at a time. The savings in SS are huge and XP / drops are awesome. The only thing you need to get used to is spoiling on the run so to speak. Especially when you get spoil festival and can do chunks from the train pulled to your AoE party.

    Set the conditions right for your Dwarf to level. Thats the whole point in joining a clan. Ppl work together to achieve common goals. If thats not happening then you need to either curb your expectations or encourage your clannies.

    Last but not least don't expect to be in B grade just because you can wear it. Thats nonsense perpetuated mainly by e-bayers. If you have an organised clan you should be fully kitted out in the right grade for your level from about half way through that grade bracket. Sometimes you get stuff sooner and sometimes you have a crap run at crafting success and you get stuff later. Either way it works out to be mid to 3/4 of the way through the Grade bracket.

    Regards,

    Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

    The Reckless Knight

    Lunatris

  • EudokiaEudokia Member UncommonPosts: 13

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by ArmorDillian


    thanks,
     
    seems to me then,  dwarf is the way to go then

     

    Whoa... stop!!!!

    Unless you love crafting and collecting and cataloging mats, do not roll a dwarf except for an alt.

    They are slow levelers, not really wanted/needed in parties (except for scavengers to get mats for the clan) and don't have a lot to their gameplay.

    If you are just rolling a dwarf main because you think it will make the game easier you are going to be surprised.

    So unless it's your "love", roll something that is going to be more fun.

    =.=.. who said dwarfs are slow levelers ... i got a lvl 50 artisan and 25 scavenger, well, both work well if you want goof crafting and earn lots of adena..

    and who said not needed in a part? they are good tankers though..

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 29,195

    Originally posted by Eudokia


     
    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by ArmorDillian


    thanks,
     
    seems to me then,  dwarf is the way to go then

     

    Whoa... stop!!!!

    Unless you love crafting and collecting and cataloging mats, do not roll a dwarf except for an alt.

    They are slow levelers, not really wanted/needed in parties (except for scavengers to get mats for the clan) and don't have a lot to their gameplay.

    If you are just rolling a dwarf main because you think it will make the game easier you are going to be surprised.

    So unless it's your "love", roll something that is going to be more fun.

     

    =.=.. who said dwarfs are slow levelers ... i got a lvl 50 artisan and 25 scavenger, well, both work well if you want goof crafting and earn lots of adena..

    and who said not needed in a part? they are good tankers though..


    Comparatively they are very slow levelers. And as you get higher? you are going to need a clan for help.

    Now, I will admit that my "lower" lvl experience is colored by my leveling During the early times fo the game which were a lot harder than now. yet still, I have a dwarf which is in it's 30's and it is very slow going. I just work on it occassionally.

    However for newer players in the game, if they don't love crafting and they are just making a dwarf to be their main to make things easier later on, I feel they will get discouraged and think that all classes have the same challenges that dwarves have.

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    stick with the scavenger since you can get party's easier with it then the kamel dd, but wait with getting a aoe weapon before you get to 52+ unleass your playing on luna (then just get a pole weapon know)



    then i have to disagree with killing bot's it's a waste off karma and some other bored player might wander bye and kill you for being red, but if where talking about catacomb's or necroplishes it's a 100% no no until your 7x +.



    then about class it does matter a lot whatever it's for soloing or grouping for instance if you earn or lose adena's soloing or in group's; if you even can solo or anyone actly want's you in group.

    Or how the playstyle is taking archer's for instance in group pve it's pretty much just 1 boutton smashing over and over, while archer's kite whenever they solo, but that stops once your (high lvl/good gear) and just start's standing your ground

  • pussaykatpussaykat Member Posts: 791

    I'm told the optimal legit money making setup is to have a scavenger scavenge for your own crafter. Crafter makes stuff and breaks it to get crystals and sells shots. Problem is that takes time, or so it seems.

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  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

     

    Originally posted by pussaykat


    I'm told the optimal legit money making setup is to have a scavenger scavenge for your own crafter. Crafter makes stuff and breaks it to get crystals and sells shots. Problem is that takes time, or so it seems.

     

    Well, everything takes time in L2. It's one of those MMOs where if you play, you really have to expect to be in it for the "long haul".

    There are other ways of making money, but rolling a dwarf does seem to be the optimal way to do so. However, you should always stack different methods and not rely on one.. sometimes one will dry up a bit and so it's nice to know you have other "streams of income".

    I applaud anyone who's looking to really make their way legitimately and not succumbing to the cop-out that is buying Adena/items/levels. It's harder and takes longer but, in my opinion, is so much more satisfying.

    I've already gotten my +4/+3 Tallum Heavy set for my BD... I'm about 90% complete in earning the money for a nice shiny set of +8 Tsurugi / SLS (aka "crit duals") and full set of +3 Majestic jewelry; ~160 mil adena for both. Every single piece of it will have been earned through my own efforts.

    It feels damn good to know that I earned it myself in a game where so many would say "oh it's impossible" :). It's not impossible... just takes two things:

    Patience - something few people have enough of

    Thinking - something many people seem adverse to.

    My next goal is tattoos, then going for Spectral Dancer.

    One could ask (and some have) "why not enchant the duals yourself if you really like to earn things yourself?" Fair question... My answer is "I hate gambling" and have a long history of crappy luck on anything based on random chance, in any MMO I've ever played... FFXI, L2, LoTRO... you name it.



    One example of a true story..  Was rolling on an item against one other person in LoTRO... They rolled a 4. I thought "oh it's mine". I rolled a 1.

    Another time in LoTRO, I was running through a dungeon with one other person for about 1.5 hours, just killing/xp'ing/looting... In all that time, I lost all but *4* of the items I rolled on. No lie.

    So, yeah.. I know better than to "take my chances". I prefer paying for someone else to do it.

     

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
    - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops

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