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Is an International Financial Conspiracy Driving World Events ?

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Great Article below...

Is an International Financial Conspiracy Driving World Events?

 

Richard C. Cook

Global Research

March 30, 2008

"They make a desolation and call it peace." -Tacitus

Was Alan Greenspan really as dumb as he looks in creating the late housing bubble that threatens to bring the entire Western debt-based economy crashing down?

Was something as easy to foresee as this really the trigger for a meltdown that could destroy the world’s financial system? Or was it done, perhaps, "accidentally on purpose"?

And if so, why?

Let’s turn to the U.S. personage that conspiracy theorists most often mention as being at the epicenter of whatever elite plan is reputed to exist. This would be David Rockefeller, the 92-year-old multibillionaire godfather of the world’s financial elite.

The lengthy Wikipedia article on Rockefeller provides the following version of a celebrated statement he allegedly made in an opening speech at the Bilderberg conference in Baden-Baden, Germany, in June 1991:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war, but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in the past centuries."

This speech was made 17 years ago. It came at the beginning in the U.S. of the Bill Clinton administration. Rockefeller speaks of an "us." This "us," he says, has been having meetings for almost 40 years. If you add the 17 years since he gave the speech it was 57 years ago—two full generations.

Not only has "us" developed a "plan for the world," but the attempt to "develop" the plan has evidently been successful, at least in Rockefeller’s mind. The ultimate goal of "us" is to create "the supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers." This will lead, he says, toward a "world government which will never again know war."

Just as an intellectual exercise, let’s assume that David Rockefeller is as important and powerful a person as he seems to think he is. Let’s give the man some credit and assume that he and "us" have in fact succeeded to a degree. This would mean that the major decisions and events since Rockefeller gave the speech in 1991 have probably also been part of the plan or that they have at least represented its features and intent.

Therefore by examining these decisions and events we can determine whether in fact Rockefeller is being truthful in his assessment that the Utopia he has in mind is on its way or has at least come closer to being realized. In no particular order, some of these decisions and events are as follows:

The implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement by the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations has led to the elimination of millions of U.S. manufacturing jobs as well as the destruction of U.S. family farming in favor of global agribusiness.

Similar free trade agreements, including those under the auspices of the World Trade Organization, have led to export of millions of additional manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere.

Average family income in the U.S. has steadily eroded while the share of the nation’s wealth held by the richest income brackets has soared. Some Wall Street hedge fund managers are making $1 billion a year while the number of homeless, including war veterans, pushes a million.

The housing bubble has led to a huge inflation of real estate prices in the U.S. Millions of homes are falling into the hands of the bankers through foreclosure. The cost of land and rentals has further decimated family agriculture as well as small business. Rising property taxes based on inflated land assessments have forced millions of lower-and middle-income people and elderly out of their homes.

The fact that bankers now control national monetary systems in their entirety, under laws where money is introduced only through lending at interest, has resulted in a massive debt pyramid that is teetering on collapse. This "monetarist" system was pioneered by Rockefeller-family funded economists at the University of Chicago. The rub is that when the pyramid comes down and everyone goes bankrupt the banks which have been creating money "out of thin air" will then be able to seize valuable assets for pennies on the dollar, as J.P. Morgan Chase is preparing to do with the businesses owned by Carlyle Capital. Meaningful regulation of the financial industry has been abandoned by government, and any politician that stands in the way, such as Eliot Spitzer, is destroyed.

The total tax burden on Americans from federal, state, and local governments now exceeds forty percent of income and is rising. Today, with a recession starting, the Democratic-controlled Congress, while supporting the minuscule "stimulus" rebate, is hypocritically raising taxes further, even for middle-income earners. Back taxes, along with student loans, can no longer be eliminated by bankruptcy protection.

Gasoline prices are soaring even as companies like Exxon-Mobil are recording record profits. Other commodity prices are going up steadily, including food prices, with some countries starting to experience near-famine conditions. 40 million people in America are officially classified as "food insecure."

Corporate control of water and mineral resources has removed much of what is available from the public commons, and the deregulation of energy production has led to huge increases in the costs of electricity in many areas.

The destruction of family farming in the U.S. by NAFTA (along with family farming in Mexico and Canada) has been mirrored by policies toward other nations on the part of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. Around the world, due to pressure from the "Washington consensus," local food self-sufficiency has been replaced by raising of crops primarily for export. Migration off the land has fed the population of huge slums around the cities of underdeveloped countries.

Since the 1980s the U.S. has been fighting wars throughout the world either directly or by proxy. The former Yugoslavia was dismembered by NATO. Under cover of 9/11 and by utilizing off-the-shelf plans, the U.S. is now engaged in the military conquest and permanent military occupation of the Middle East. A worldwide encirclement of Russia and China by U.S. and NATO forces is underway, and a new push to militarize space has begun. The Western powers are clearly preparing for at least the possibility of another world war.

The expansion of the U.S. military empire abroad is mirrored by the creation of a totalitarian system of surveillance at home, whereby the activities of private citizens are spied upon and tracked by technology and systems which have been put into place under the heading of the "War on Terror." Human microchip implants for tracking purposes are starting to be used. The military-industrial complex has become the nation’s largest and most successful industry with tens of thousands of planners engaged in devising new and better ways, both overt and covert, to destroy both foreign and domestic "enemies."

Meanwhile, the U.S. has the largest prison population of any country on earth. Plus everyday life for millions of people is a crushing burden of government, insurance, and financial fees, charges, and paperwork. And the simplest business transactions are burdened by rake-offs for legions of accountants, lawyers, bureaucrats, brokers, speculators, and middlemen.

Finally, the deteriorating conditions of everyday life have given rise to an extraordinary level of stress-related disease, as well as epidemic alcohol and drug addiction. Governments themselves around the world engage in drug trafficking. Instead of working to lower stress levels, public policy is skewed in favor of an enormous prescription drug industry that grows rich off the declining level of health through treatment of symptoms rather than causes. Many of these heavily-advertised medications themselves have devastating side-effects.

This list should at least give us enough to go on in order to ask a hard question. Assuming again that all these things are parts of the elitist plan which Mr. Rockefeller boasts to have been developing, isn’t it a little strange that the means which have been selected to achieve "peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity" involve so much violence, deception, oppression, exploitation, graft, and theft?

In fact it looks to me as though "our plan for the world" is one that is based on genocide, world war, police control of populations, and seizure of the world’s resources by the financial elite and their puppet politicians and military forces.

In particular, could there be a better way to accomplish all this than what appears to be a concentrated plan to remove from people everywhere in the world the ability to raise their own food? After all, genocide by starvation may be slow, but it is very effective. Especially when it can be blamed on "market forces."

And can it be that the "us" which is doing all these things, including the great David Rockefeller himself, are just criminals who have somehow taken over the seats of power? If so, they are criminals who have done everything they can to watch their backs and cover their tracks, including a chokehold over the educational system and the monopolistic mainstream media.

One thing is certain: The voters of America have never knowingly agreed to any of this.

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  • BushMonkeyBushMonkey Member Posts: 1,406

    Enjoy it while it lasts, these are the good times,  and we aint seen nothing yet.  As Abbey said " Civilization like an airplane in flight only survives as it keeps going foward"



    How could they not know what they are doing? Hope you all have your survival plan and are ready to bug out to an abandoned mine when the time comes. And pray you're  not stuck in a big city when martial law is declared.

  • BlomiBlomi Member Posts: 200

     



    The Money Masters

    video.google.com/videoplay

     

    THE MONEY MASTERS is a 3 1/2 hour non-fiction, historical documentary that traces the origins of the political power structure that rules our nation and the world today. The modern political power structure has its roots in the hidden manipulation and accumulation of gold and other forms of money. The development of fractional reserve banking practices in the 17th century brought to a cunning sophistication the secret techniques initially used by goldsmiths fraudulently to accumulate wealth. With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned "central" bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day. Nation after nation, including America, has fallen prey to this cabal of international central bankers.

     

     

  • Tuor7Tuor7 Member UncommonPosts: 950

    It doesn't matter because there is nothing at all you can do about it if it is true. Not one thing. What you *can* do is just what the Boy Scouts say you should do: be prepared.

    A wise person prepares for the future. It would be a good idea to make sure you have at least *some* gear for "disasters", whether they be natural or man-made.

    Ultimately, there is only so much you can do, and then it's a matter of luck and endurance. So, take reasonable precautions and keep your eyes open: that would be my advice. Worrying about international conspiracies wont help you avoid their results.

  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481

    This is the one and only conspiracy on MMORPG.com I've ever believed. I've been feeling this way for ages without having any outside source confirm my suspicions, so I haven't been swayed by anyone really.

    I mean, you can just see that something is going down, with Bush wanting to hand the Fed all sorts of new powers over banks, the firesale of Bear Stearns, and this whole multitude of financial bullshit that was created by the people at the top, not the little people.

     

    As everyone has already said, all you can do is be prepared. And while I'm not a conspiracy nut, I am a survivalist, and as such have a bugout bag right beside me as I type this. There's the hope that I'll never need to use it, but if shit really hits the fan, at least I know I'm prepared.

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • BlomiBlomi Member Posts: 200

    Originally posted by pyrofreak


    This is the one and only conspiracy on MMORPG.com I've ever believed. I've been feeling this way for ages without having any outside source confirm my suspicions, so I haven't been swayed by anyone really.

    Good man.  Don't let those conspiracy theorists sway you with facts and evidence.  Better to just ignore all of that stuff.  Confirmation is so last century. 

  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128

    Conspiracy theories are the greatest things ever...

    You can never prove them wrong, they are like string theory.. or Freudian Psycology.

    Funny thing you learn. The ability to prove something wrong, is a HUGE factor in the strength of the argument.

    If there is not a single thing you can say to prove the theory wrong, then its not worth your time.

    image
    after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...

  • BushMonkeyBushMonkey Member Posts: 1,406

    The wise man sees the Evil coming and hides himself, the simple pass on.

  • SpysSpys Member Posts: 111

    Welcome to the USA where people fear the government and socialism more than the guns they point at each other. On your left you see china holding a I-owe-u bill while carrying the USA on his back. On your right you see Fort EU protected by his invisible bariers of taxes whom thank's to th Euro/dollar course gets more oil for his money. in front of you, you see mexicans going back to their original country. In your back you see government agent listing to your most private thought's, thanks to the grand support and not caring of the people of this lovely country. Above you you can see the word's of worried Amercinans falling on you, please hold on to your umbrrella of education and global economy while we wait till the next war.

    Now it's time for your snack while watching the news, today's topic is fear, tommorow it will be, blame other nations for our problems, yesterday was Islam the biggest threat to our society.

    Please do not tell the Americans that you have other problems and that they ned to look furhter than just the word job. They often lack to understand things like worker-productivity wich is in the US much higher than in china.

    We hope you had a pleasent tour in the US and hope you do not come back, becau you just might be a terrorist or a job taker like all foreigners

  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863
    • 'The end is nigh' sign.     Check!
    • Tin foil hat.                         Check!

    Ok guys I'm ready!

    O_o o_O

  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    The point is irrelevant.

     

    If there really are these all-powerful money-crazed lunatics running the world, you can damn well be sure that the only reason this debate ever came up was because they wanted it to. Same argument as with questioning the divine: if he's as divine as most religion makes out, he wants you to do it, or else you wouldn't be doing it.

     

    Noone reply to the divine bit, or this will spiral off topic in seconds ;)

  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481

    Originally posted by Blomi


     
    Originally posted by pyrofreak


    This is the one and only conspiracy on MMORPG.com I've ever believed. I've been feeling this way for ages without having any outside source confirm my suspicions, so I haven't been swayed by anyone really.

     

    Good man.  Don't let those conspiracy theorists sway you with facts and evidence.  Better to just ignore all of that stuff.  Confirmation is so last century. 

    I really phrased that wrong to be honest, what I meant is that I haven't had a bunch of people knocking on my door/interwebs trying to tell me that the banks are taking over the world. I've seen lots of stuff that points to it through credible news sources, and seen no information about it anywhere else. This just being the latest example:

     

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fed_overhaul

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810

    Originally posted by pyrofreak


     
    I really phrased that wrong to be honest, what I meant is that I haven't had a bunch of people knocking on my door/interwebs trying to tell me that the banks are taking over the world. I've seen lots of stuff that points to it through credible news sources, and seen no information about it anywhere else. This just being the latest example:
     
     
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fed_overhaul

     

     

    So more regulation over the financial sector is evidence of a conspiracy?

     

    Would less regulation also be evidence?

    Would "no change" in regulation be evidence?

     

     

    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. 
  • pyrofreakpyrofreak Member UncommonPosts: 1,481
    Originally posted by lomiller


     
    Originally posted by pyrofreak


     
    I really phrased that wrong to be honest, what I meant is that I haven't had a bunch of people knocking on my door/interwebs trying to tell me that the banks are taking over the world. I've seen lots of stuff that points to it through credible news sources, and seen no information about it anywhere else. This just being the latest example:
     
     
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fed_overhaul

     

     

     

    So more regulation over the financial sector is evidence of a conspiracy?

     

    Would less regulation also be evidence?

    Would "no change" in regulation be evidence?

     

     

    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. 

    They're moving more power into the hands of fewer people. Is that ever a good thing, regardless of if it's part of a conspiracy or not?

    Now with 57.3% more flames!

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810

    Originally posted by pyrofreak


    They're moving more power into the hands of fewer people. Is that ever a good thing, regardless of if it's part of a conspiracy or not?

     

    Power moving into the hands of fewer people is a fundamental fact of a free market. If you don’t have some regulation monopolies and trusts inevitably from because that’s where the most profit is. ultimatly a conspiricy isn’t falsifiable.  Every single possibility can be seen as evidence the thory is true.

     

    If you have the government regulate the power flows to the state, which “supports” the conspiracy theory.

     

    If you have a non-government organization regulate the power, you also support that conspiracy theory.

     

    If you have no regulation at all you end up with trusts and monopolies, which would also support the conspiracy theory.  

     

     

     

    In the case of the US banking system, what you currently have is a combination of all three. The Fed is a semi-government organization, whose chairman is appointed but does not report directly to the government. The Fed only regulates part of the system, however, because hedge funds etc don’t fall under their control but are privately owned.  
  • unconformedunconformed Member Posts: 700

    i saw on cnn of all places recently. they cited miami, dade county. its house value growth over the past 5 years was up 125% while this particular downturn has cost it 25% so far. the owners should not complain. just the people who bought at peak or speculated at the wrong time. lending institutions were blinded just as much as the poor saps who borrowed from them. regulation is first needed to stop irresponsible lending. cant give every fucking shmuck in america credit.

    i think capitalists are trying to preserve capitalism, currently.  not another bush conspiracy to see here. jeez, not another one.

     

    chips, dips chains & whips.

  • LOLCatLOLCat Member Posts: 41

    Originally posted by Munki


    Conspiracy theories are the greatest things ever...
    You can never prove them wrong, they are like string theory.. or Freudian Psycology.
    Funny thing you learn. The ability to prove something wrong, is a HUGE factor in the strength of the argument.

    If there is not a single thing you can say to prove the theory wrong, then its not worth your time.
    Then let me give you FACTS. Oops. You can't prove FACTS wrong. I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist according to what you've typed. Anyway, I will continue...

     

    Over the past ten years, the U.S. dollar has lost roughly 35% of its value (if you haven't received at least a 3.5% raise per year, or equivalent at your job since then, you are now making less money than you were 10 years ago). We won't even get into any cut in benefits, pension, 401k, etc. Nor will we get into the fact that just in the last month prices have skyrocketed on just about everything.

    The Fed are bailing out Bear Sterns for over a billion dollars. Where are they getting the money?

    The Fed are bailing out mortgage bankers, and offering relief for those that default on their mortgage. Where are they getting the money?

    Over 130 million U.S. taxpayers are receiving $600 or more extra from the IRS this tax season. Where is the government getting the money?

    Where? I'll tell you where. The money is being created out of thin air. What does that mean? The U.S. dollar will be devalued even further. Even money follows the law of supply and demand when NOTHING backs its value.

    Taxes do not cover any of the above expenses. Income and Corporate taxes only cover the interest on U.S. national debt. They do not pay off the debt, just the interest. Look all of this up.

    All of this has the net effect of making the U.S. citizen's assets, if in real estate or U.S. dollars, among other commodities, worth LESS. You should NOT be happy about receiving more money this year. Nor should you be happy about all of the bail-outs that are going on.

    Oh, yeah. Did I mention that more middle eastern nations are moving on pegging oil to the Euro instead of the dollar? I didn't? Oh, well. Look it up and tell me what effect that has on the value of U.S. currency.

     

    I could go on and on. The government has rickrolled the U.S. arse as a whole. Get ready for the worst to come.

  • Tuor7Tuor7 Member UncommonPosts: 950

    [quote]Originally posted by lomiller
    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. [/b][/quote]

    Except the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government and we do not tell them what to do.

  • LOLCatLOLCat Member Posts: 41

    Originally posted by Tuor7


    [quote]Originally posted by lomiller

    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. [/b][/quote]
    Except the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government and we do not tell them what to do.
    True. The Fed Res is not a part of our government. They are a private entity, although congress elects the Fed Res Chairman. What's funny is, once elected, the government cannot control the Chairman (directly :) ).

     

    8 pieces of junk sit on the board.

     

    Did you know they charge tax payers for printing money? Yep, we pay for every dollar printed. That is ridiculous. It's a damn ripoff.

    However, the Fed Res IS NOT owned by foreign banks. Every bank that wishes to do business in the U.S. is required to deposit RESERVES with the FED RES. This is your FDIC, people (It can't cover all cash, though). In return, the Fed Res issues "shares" that represent the bank's reserve. This is where everyone says that foreign companies own U.S. banks. They don't.

    Those shares are not transferable. They have no value besides reclaiming monies when a bank wants to stop operating in the U.S. Those shares earn 6% interest while the money is with the Fed Res. Those shares cannot be used for collateral on anything, and they cannot be sold to any other entity.

    I am not defending the Fed. They should be eliminated immediately. It is the Fed chairman(s) that are partially responsible for this Godforsaken mess that we are in now.

  • Cabe2323Cabe2323 Member Posts: 2,939

    Originally posted by Tuor7


    [quote]Originally posted by lomiller

    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. [/b][/quote]
    Except the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government and we do not tell them what to do.
    Well it is a semi government institution that is heavily regulated by the government. 

     

    Oh and those fees that they charge us are all given back to the government in rebates each year.   You can look it up.  It is listed in the financial filings of the Federal Reserve. 

     

    Sorry I don't believe the conspiracy theories.   

     

    I believe my Aunt a whole lot more (since she is an Executive VP for JPMorgan Chase and has worked in banking for 22+ years) then any crackpots on the internet. 

    Currently playing:
    LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)

    Looking Foward too:
    Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)

  • LOLCatLOLCat Member Posts: 41


    [quote]Originally posted by Cabe2323


    [quote]Originally posted by Tuor7

    [quote]Originally posted by lomiller
    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. [/b][/quote]
    Except the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government and we do not tell them what to do.
    [/quote] Well it is a semi government institution that is heavily regulated by the government.


    Oh and those fees that they charge us are all given back to the government in rebates each year. You can look it up. It is listed in the financial filings of the Federal Reserve.

    Sorry I don't believe the conspiracy theories. image

    I believe my Aunt a whole lot more (since she is an Executive VP for JPMorgan Chase and has worked in banking for 22+ years) then any crackpots on the internet.
    [/quote]
    By the way, Ronald Reagan didn't write that little quote in your sig. His speech writers did. Sorry to REIGN on your parade.

    By the way again, I'm a Republican. I'm just a Republican that thinks for me, not the party.
    Your credentials are useless, by the way again, and again.

    Ooooh. I just had to post this. Those fees are given back to the "US" in rebates each year? How? With the money that the FED RES prints that has no backing or monetary value AT ALL?
    <Mod edit>

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810

    Originally posted by LOLCat


     
    Originally posted by Tuor7


    [quote]Originally posted by lomiller

    What wouldn’t be evidence of a conspiracy? Other then the government and banking system doing exactly what you order them to, that is. [/b][/quote]
    Except the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government and we do not tell them what to do.
    True. The Fed Res is not a part of our government. They are a private entity, although congress elects the Fed Res Chairman. What's funny is, once elected, the government cannot control the Chairman (directly :) ).

     

     

    8 pieces of junk sit on the board.

     

    Did you know they charge tax payers for printing money? Yep, we pay for every dollar printed. That is ridiculous. It's a damn ripoff.

    However, the Fed Res IS NOT owned by foreign banks. Every bank that wishes to do business in the U.S. is required to deposit RESERVES with the FED RES. This is your FDIC, people (It can't cover all cash, though). In return, the Fed Res issues "shares" that represent the bank's reserve. This is where everyone says that foreign companies own U.S. banks. They don't.

    Those shares are not transferable. They have no value besides reclaiming monies when a bank wants to stop operating in the U.S. Those shares earn 6% interest while the money is with the Fed Res. Those shares cannot be used for collateral on anything, and they cannot be sold to any other entity.

    I am not defending the Fed. They should be eliminated immediately. It is the Fed chairman(s) that are partially responsible for this Godforsaken mess that we are in now.

     

    The Fed is an independent agency within the US government it just has an arms length relationship to remove the possibility of politics effecting its day to day operation. Its governors are appointed by the president but the chairman must report to congress periodically. 

     

    You seem to be confusing the Fed itself with the regional federal reserve banks.  While banks must hold non-tradable, non-leveragable “stock” in a local federal reserve bank the banks themselves are not operated for profit.

  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    Financial Dominance is probably the pussiest and stupidest way to attain world domination.  Whats the benefit of all the currency in the world if no one else has currency?  Its merely an artificial scale of wealth that could be worth nothing.

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  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128

    Originally posted by LOLCat


     
    Originally posted by Munki


    Conspiracy theories are the greatest things ever...
    You can never prove them wrong, they are like string theory.. or Freudian Psycology.
    Funny thing you learn. The ability to prove something wrong, is a HUGE factor in the strength of the argument.

    If there is not a single thing you can say to prove the theory wrong, then its not worth your time.
    Then let me give you FACTS. Oops. You can't prove FACTS wrong. I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist according to what you've typed. Anyway, I will continue...

     

     

    Over the past ten years, the U.S. dollar has lost roughly 35% of its value (if you haven't received at least a 3.5% raise per year, or equivalent at your job since then, you are now making less money than you were 10 years ago). We won't even get into any cut in benefits, pension, 401k, etc. Nor will we get into the fact that just in the last month prices have skyrocketed on just about everything.

    The Fed are bailing out Bear Sterns for over a billion dollars. Where are they getting the money?

    The Fed are bailing out mortgage bankers, and offering relief for those that default on their mortgage. Where are they getting the money?

    Over 130 million U.S. taxpayers are receiving $600 or more extra from the IRS this tax season. Where is the government getting the money?

    Where? I'll tell you where. The money is being created out of thin air. What does that mean? The U.S. dollar will be devalued even further. Even money follows the law of supply and demand when NOTHING backs its value.

    Taxes do not cover any of the above expenses. Income and Corporate taxes only cover the interest on U.S. national debt. They do not pay off the debt, just the interest. Look all of this up.

    All of this has the net effect of making the U.S. citizen's assets, if in real estate or U.S. dollars, among other commodities, worth LESS. You should NOT be happy about receiving more money this year. Nor should you be happy about all of the bail-outs that are going on.

    Oh, yeah. Did I mention that more middle eastern nations are moving on pegging oil to the Euro instead of the dollar? I didn't? Oh, well. Look it up and tell me what effect that has on the value of U.S. currency.

     

    I could go on and on. The government has rickrolled the U.S. arse as a whole. Get ready for the worst to come.

    No, What im telling you is if I said anything of the following "The X is doing Y" you could reply to me with "The Z made it look like the X and doing Y to cover up"

    Your theoy adapts and latches on to any argument and falsifies it. I could say that I talked with 20 men from high up, involved in government and you could reply. "They lied to you, they all do cause their a bunch of crooks"

    Its called a conspiracy theory for a reason.

    Its great that you've got this theory that explains everything. But as a second party im sorry, your argument lacks ANY citation, your facts are simply "Im telling you their facts so their facts."

    Who am I going to beleive educated, high upstanding people, or a guy on the forums and his theory that cant be proven wrong because its ALL FACT!! there is no other reasons for anything you've said. You ignore the other arguments. For example

    "The Fed are bailing out Bear Sterns for over a billion dollars. Where are they getting the money?"

    Oh I don't know exactly, but let me assure you, there ARE valid ways of getting money other than just printing it off.

    The funny thing is, you've givin no evidence. You've givin a possible scenario for each outcome, but in reality you've done nothing more than list things that happen, then give outlandish claims about your conspiracy theory. Thus (in your mind) verifying your theory, where in reality you've proved nothing other than cited obscure unrelated facts.

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  • symphoniussymphonius Member Posts: 7

    no

  • BlomiBlomi Member Posts: 200

    Originally posted by Munki


     
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    And you can deny anything simply by saying "I don't believe it".  No evidence required, no argument required, no knowledge needed.  Epistemology tells us that nothing can actually be known.  All we have is belief or lack of belief based on our perception.  So, yes, it would seem true that if you don't know about something, then it does not exist.

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