"SOE is the company that has 100,000 complain and 1000 satisfied and ignors the shout. Perhaps you don't remember the great "Warrior Stand-down" in EQ1, these were players that were so fed up they threatened to virtually shut down PoK. Then they quit for WoW, which in the opinion of WARRIOR players is a far, far, far superior game."
Funny remark really... I mean since EQ2 at least have 500k players and the numbers for other SOE game I have no idea... so let's say the total of all SOE's games is 500k which is the 1% satisfied that means about 50mill player deserted or is unhappy about SOE... makes your posting just look silly. As for EQ1 stand-down I never read or heard anything about it since I never played or had any interest in EQ1. I tried WoW for a while but it wasn't to my likening so I tried EQ2 instead which is much better imo. As far for superior games it all lies in the eye of the beholder. I'm really tired seeing all this complaining about SOE's games I mean if you don't like it play something else instead of crying to everyone how bad the game is. All mmo's has it flaws and people just have to pick the one they like the best. I could go on about how bad I think WoW and other games is but I don't.. no interest in doing so.
I think you have this backwords. Because i dont see 100,000 posts by differant people on this forum nor the SOE forums. I see the same 1000 people QQ and thinking SOE gives a damn about you. Its there game if you dont like it quit. By not quiting your just saying you love the game and your just QQ. So with the same amount of subs before a QQ as after the QQ hmm wat do you think SOE is going to do??? NOTHING!!!
I read a lot complaints of players about Vanguard and how Sony Online Entertainement ruined Vanguard - Saga of Heros.
If you are reading that its because the people posting it are misinformed. Or that they are so pissed at SOE over SWG (or something) that they post anything they can think of.
If people really need to rehash how Microsoft flushed this poo after they lost 10's of MILLIONS on it.. then somebody is just wanting to re-write history.
Did anyone really expect SOE to fund the 4 years of development this game needed? (if so why?)
The only thing I would like to actually have an official(tm) statement on... why in the hell did SOE ever agree to buy it... (I like certain things about Vanguard.. but this isn't SOE's problem other than they bought it).
"SOE is the company that has 100,000 complain and 1000 satisfied and ignors the shout. Perhaps you don't remember the great "Warrior Stand-down" in EQ1, these were players that were so fed up they threatened to virtually shut down PoK. Then they quit for WoW, which in the opinion of WARRIOR players is a far, far, far superior game."
Funny remark really... I mean since EQ2 at least have 500k players and the numbers for other SOE game I have no idea... so let's say the total of all SOE's games is 500k which is the 1% satisfied that means about 50mill player deserted or is unhappy about SOE... makes your posting just look silly. As for EQ1 stand-down I never read or heard anything about it since I never played or had any interest in EQ1. I tried WoW for a while but it wasn't to my likening so I tried EQ2 instead which is much better imo. As far for superior games it all lies in the eye of the beholder. I'm really tired seeing all this complaining about SOE's games I mean if you don't like it play something else instead of crying to everyone how bad the game is. All mmo's has it flaws and people just have to pick the one they like the best. I could go on about how bad I think WoW and other games is but I don't.. no interest in doing so.
I think you have this backwords. Because i dont see 100,000 posts by differant people on this forum nor the SOE forums. I see the same 1000 people QQ and thinking SOE gives a damn about you. Its there game if you dont like it quit. By not quiting your just saying you love the game and your just QQ. So with the same amount of subs before a QQ as after the QQ hmm wat do you think SOE is going to do??? NOTHING!!!
If you read it carefully no one said there was 100k postings in this forum or other forums either complains or positive.
I don't claim SOE to care if I play or not and I'm satsified as it is, so love a game would be a strong word then I would be online most of the time which I can't but yeah it's a decent game and I like it.
And as far what SOE is doing I about EQ2 I have no specific request from them so I couldn't be bothered what they do as long as they keep the servers online I'm happy.
Then again I'm not the hardcore player that twist and turn every rock and get hung up in stuff which is bad with a game. I play as long as it's playable if EQ2 is not to my likening in a year from now I simply swap to another game very easy.
As for EQ1 stand-down I never read or heard anything about it since I never played or had any interest in EQ1.
There was a "warrior strike" due to aggro issue in EQ a long time ago, and SOE added "Bellow" line to remedy the situation. But a well geared warrior with dual proc weapon has no trouble of holding aggro anyway. To say that WoW war is superior to that of EQ is simply ridiculous. EQ warrior is the king of the hill, nothing even come close to their tanking ability and group desirability, whereas WoW's warrior plays like any other character, solo to max then raiding.
As for EQ1 stand-down I never read or heard anything about it since I never played or had any interest in EQ1.
There was a "warrior strike" due to aggro issue in EQ a long time ago, and SOE added "Bellow" line to remedy the situation. But a well geared warrior with dual proc weapon has no trouble of holding aggro anyway. To say that WoW war is superior to that of EQ is simply ridiculous. EQ warrior is the king of the hill, nothing even come close to their tanking ability and group desirability, whereas WoW's warrior plays like any other character, solo to max then raiding.
Spot on
they just love easy WoW. and cant take a challenge which EQ1 brought to the table
The difference was having dual proc weapons REQUIRED raiding, which the great majority despise. And if you feel they are being wimpy let me throw down the gauntlet, join the Mac server in EQ1 and play a non-raiding warrior and see how many groups you get....the problem is the same as in Vanguard THREE tank classes are competing for ONE tank spot, and Steel Warrior has complaining about DKs being overpowered already...an SOE trade mark, and having no players due to picking the wrong class and one no one wants to play to be #1 tank and the only group choice. The old line "if you don't like your class start over.." they will QUIT and play AoC or WAR or even WoW, and finish off the dumb game Vanguard.
BTW, for the pansies playing Mages and Necros in EQ1 I AFK leveled one, litterly was only at the keyboard to sit AFK and have the pet get me exp and move from spawn to spawn.
My druid died twice to 50th, and my cleric took a whole 6 days to level to 63. Any class was easier than warrior to level in EQ1. EQ1 wasn't at all hard, except for the poor player who lacked any rudimentary skill unless you choose warrior or rogue.
The difference was having dual proc weapons REQUIRED raiding, which the great majority despise. And if you feel they are being wimpy let me throw down the gauntlet, join the Mac server in EQ1 and play a non-raiding warrior and see how many groups you get....the problem is the same as in Vanguard THREE tank classes are competing for ONE tank spot, and Steel Warrior has complaining about DKs being overpowered already...an SOE trade mark, and having no players due to picking the wrong class and one no one wants to play to be #1 tank and the only group choice. BTW, for the pansies playing Mages and Necros in EQ1 I AFK leveled one, litterily was only at the keyboard to sit AFK and have the pet get me exp. My druid died twice to 50th, and my cleric took a whole 6 days to level to 63. Any class was easier than warrior to level in EQ1.
How hard is it for anyone to get a dual hate proc nowadays? Just run couple of DON. Great majority despise raiding? Hmm, isn't 90% of the EQ population today raiders? DK being overpowered? DK have always been the paper tank of EQ. What is your definition of being overpower/underpower? Solobility?
Funny your statement on mage/necro only showed your character. I have play many PUG in eq and have seldomly ran into anyone going afk for extended of period. Its not about how hard/easy the class is, but how responsible/irresponsible the player behind the character is.
Solo a couple of DoN's? No one does DoN anymore so you will NEVER get a weapon from there. Heck no one plays EQ1 compared to 10000000 players playing WoW compared to 5000 playing EQ1.
The point, and you missed it, EQ1 should NOT have had ANY classes able to AFK level.
Anti SoE sentiment is the new religion amongst mmo gamers, haven't you heard? For LO! Shall ye hate upon soe, or all manner of time shall ye pass in the depths of the hell that is WoW. For all manner of evil is spawned by the dark soe gods. Or some such.
And like most religions its irrational nonsense based on a failure of mind/maturity.
Great, they changed their game. And now you feel like the world is out to get you (meds time?). Of course.. they owe you nothing, and you implicitly agreed to them changing their game whenever they feel like it by signing the user agreement (no one reads the fine print, especially on game UA's). Like any company in the world (not just gaming), they will make the product they want to make, and people will either buy it or not buy it. If you don't like it, you don't buy it. You don't cry and whine about it for the next 5 years if the product no longer suits your needs. You buy a different one. The market demands easy braindead kiddy games.. the developers produce braindead kiddy games. SoE is no exception. The fact that many, many people still pay for the products is proof they are on the right track from a market standpoint, and if the low number of people who prefer more complex gaming is left behind.. so be it, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
VG was a mess on release.. its much better now, after soe had a go at it. Eq series did rather well, especially after soe went at it. Both involved changes dumbing the game down.. and the masses that play em seem to enjoy it. SWG.. had its share of problems on release.. then soe went at it, now its accessible to billy the 14 year old gamer.. who happens to be the majority of gamers. From the console game generation.
One of these days a game developer will actually produce an intellectual's adult orientated complex game, but it wont be a mainstreamer.. (forget bioware, they would also aim at the mass market, not the niche adult genre). But it will be a small dev team, likely not to do so well (Rv / DnL anyone?). One of these days we'll get a real virtual world, fully sandboxed, without hard set class structures, with the full politics and social, economic dynamics we want.. but it will not do very well, we're just not large enough numbers of such types of games for most devs to consider it worthwhile.
In the meantime, swallow your prides already. What are you, a bunch of cavemen? Shrug it off like a real human would do, and stop bitching about soe every other post. We. Don't. Give. A. Flying. Frack. The rest of us just don't play their games (well i messing with vg now as something to do while waiting for other stuff this summer..), and thats all the protest we need to do (and that they will understand.. vote with your wallet, not with giving them free advertising with every post you make).
Solo a couple of DoN's? No one does DoN anymore so you will NEVER get a weapon from there. Heck no one plays EQ1 compared to 10000000 players playing WoW compared to 5000 playing EQ1. The point, and you missed it, EQ1 should NOT have had ANY classes able to AFK level.
Guess your ideal of a MMORPG is soloing, very typical of Wow player I guess. Get a few friends, I was even running LDON not too long ago. Who cares about how many are playing. What I do know is the people I ran into in WoW are teens who wants to prove their manhood, bad mouthing each other and leave the group over smallest arguement, basically people who have zero responsibility. And the players I've met in EQ and VG are mature players who will stay for CR and etc.
Solo a couple of DoN's? No one does DoN anymore so you will NEVER get a weapon from there. Heck no one plays EQ1 compared to 10000000 players playing WoW compared to 5000 playing EQ1. The point, and you missed it, EQ1 should NOT have had ANY classes able to AFK level.
Guess your ideal of a MMORPG is soloing, very typical of Wow player I guess. Get a few friends, I was even running LDON not too long ago. Who cares about how many are playing. What I do know is the people I ran into in WoW are teens who wants to prove their manhood, bad mouthing each other and leave the group over smallest arguement, basically people who have zero responsibility. And the players I've met in EQ and VG are mature players who will stay for CR and etc.
Way to generalize the entire population of a game. I am so tired of these kinds of statements. I am an adult and quite mature and responsible and I enjoy WoW, as do other adult friends I have, We also play VG and EQ2. People really need to get over this bashing of others for playing a game they don't enjoy!
Also I have met people like you describe above in every MMO I play and have played,of course you are going to meet alot more people like that in a game like WoW just becuase of such a large playerbase.
Mostly it is. Except for people who are unable to socialise on their own time and end up lacking in people wanting to adventure with them, so want it forced on everyone.
Did I mention crafters are about 99% solo'd in all mmos? Or economic people in games where thats relevant? (eve for instance)? Did I mention that going off on your own, doing your thing, then coming back to town to share your stories with your townfolk, selling them your treasures, bartering for supplies, etc etc.. is all part of the social part of mmo play? Yes.. I have.. many many times now.
But no, apparently if you don't co-operative play in adventures, you are apparently anti-social. Huh.
Way to generalize the entire population of a game. I am so tired of these kinds of statements. I am an adult and quite mature and responsible and I enjoy WoW, as do other adult friends I have, We also play VG and EQ2. People really need to get over this bashing of others for playing a game they don't enjoy!
My apologies. My experience with WoW is limited since I find it too dull and quit at 50. But I do have to say 90% of the people I tried to group with is as I've described, whereas spending a year in VG and I have yet to run into a single person like such.
Ive given up warning people. People just dont seem to want to be warned. They'd rather go through the drama of handing over their cash only to realise they've been screwed by the most careless company on the MMO market.
Its unfortunate really, as its these peoples attitudes that keeps SoE alive and allows the scam to continue. Infact ive come to the conclusion theres nothing I can do about it, threads like these are pointless, as there will always be staunch fanbois, OR neutral partys who will be prepared to give SoE the benefit of the doubt.
So all I say tis, let people get screwed by SoE, and if you get burnt, if you come back here whining, all your going to get from me is "I told you so".
Maybe one day people will get wise and start listening.
Ive given up warning people. People just dont seem to want to be warned. They'd rather go through the drama of handing over their cash only to realise they've been screwed by the most careless company on the MMO market.
Can you please explain the term careless? Like SoE does not care about their customers and only for... money? So they do whatever they can to.. ruin the game, because that will bring them more money? I can't get the logic. Can you explain how SoE differs from Turbine or Blizzard?
Mostly it is. Except for people who are unable to socialise on their own time and end up lacking in people wanting to adventure with them, so want it forced on everyone. Did I mention crafters are about 99% solo'd in all mmos? Or economic people in games where thats relevant? (eve for instance)? Did I mention that going off on your own, doing your thing, then coming back to town to share your stories with your townfolk, selling them your treasures, bartering for supplies, etc etc.. is all part of the social part of mmo play? Yes.. I have.. many many times now. But no, apparently if you don't co-operative play in adventures, you are apparently anti-social. Huh.
So Blizzard created a game for you soloers to enjoy, and I'm all happy for you all. But there are plenty who enjoys cooperative play, so don't complain when a game emphasis on grouping.
I think it is a pretty good game, just needs some work.
SOE bought it, give them time to work with it. Not like they have a huge staff on it and that makes sense the player base is not there to support it. They did not design it, and they took it over way down the development stream so to fault them at all makes little sense. Blame them for what they have done and you can plainly attribute to them without bias or malice.
As to the players, the players who are playing are clearly enjoying the game enough or the people they know in it to pay what they pay so to accuse them of ruining it makes little sense as well.. since they are the ones still playing clearly they do not have such a major issue with it.
SOE is what it is, and what you are is pretty clear as well.. and that is just a troll from another forum trying to tell people what's wrong with them.
You know what's wrong with you? You can not let things go. SWG has been in this state for a very long time, and you hang on. You remind me of the ex girlfriend who won't leave a guy alone and who calls his cell phone every 25 minutes.
Ive given up warning people. People just dont seem to want to be warned. They'd rather go through the drama of handing over their cash only to realise they've been screwed by the most careless company on the MMO market.
Can you please explain the term careless? Like SoE does not care about their customers and only for... money? So they do whatever they can to.. ruin the game, because that will bring them more money? I can't get the logic. Can you explain how SoE differs from Turbine or Blizzard?
SoE only care about money, however they dont seem to understand; if you stick to your word, respect the customer and take their opinions onboard it will lead to a better game, more subscribers and in effect, more money.
But evidently, they cant be bothered to take care, they would rather use risk tactics in an attempt to garner a quick buck. Which inadvertently results in them losing money.
I read a lot complaints of players about Vanguard and how Sony Online Entertainement ruined Vanguard - Saga of Heros. For at least 4 years, we Star Wars Galaxies Veterans told you guys about SOE's "talent" for continiously pissing off their paying customers by "improving" their games with major next generation improvements or game updates. We told you guys how SOE made their customers search for non existent areas in everquest only to keep them paying and we also told you guys how they completely turned Star Wars Galaxies into the opposite of what the community asked SOE for. We told you guys how SOE refuses to listen to their paying customers and how they simply copy game concepts and elements of successful titles such as world of warcraft to add them into their games with the desperate hope of beeing as successful as those titles... I think you guys get my point. Read and think about it and then tell me again why you keep paying 15 bucks each month or arround 20 bucks for a SOE station pass access? Just tell me why? do you think we SWG vets just post on mmorpg.com for fun, simply because we dont got a life and just want to ruin gaming companies reputation? We got a good reason to share our experiences with Sony Online Entertainement and nothing will ever change if you guys keep paying them each month only to be dissapointed in the end. This is no flame-thread. I just try to clear things up.
Believe it or not SOE was only the publisher when VG launched. My intuition told me not to start playing because there was a chance SOE would end up being in control. Well I did not listen and they ended up in control. The only reason I played the game originally was because SOE wasn't in control. Then when they did take control Smedley said that the game would keep to the original plan. He lied. Lied like he always does.
You may wonder why I am staying with the game. Right now I dunno.
Yep, I remember a thread on the VG forums when they announced that SOE was only going to publish. I believe it was Sigil's VP jumped on there screaming that we (gamers) were all nuts and that Sigil would have full creative control of VG. I challeneged the guy to make a written promise on those forums they would never give control of the game to SOE. He wouldn't. That told me right then and there they were going to hand it over to SOE, so I stopped beta testing and focused my time on LOTRO.
Yeah, I beta tested SWG and played up until the week of the NGE announcement.
Yeah, I bought the ToOW expansion and then got my money back after they then announced the NGE (if SOE announcing the NGE after they had gotten all the ToOW orders doesn't tell you something about their ethics, well, no offense but you're stupid). *using "you're" in the general sense, not toward any specific person.
No, I don't hang out in the SWG vet forums here as it's not going to change anything.
No, I will not ever buy another game that is developed OR published by SOE. As has been stated, everyone in the industry knows what happened. If a company chooses to associate with SOE, then it tells me they don't give a crap about their players just as SOE doesn't.
That's a message that I, for one, just can't ignore.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
It amazes me that SOE gets flamed for adjusting a game to a new crowd instead of the one it had (yeah SWG went casual I suppose) and being flamed for oh so many things like destroying games / ruining gamers lives or whatever rocks your boat however the blatant mockery of the colossus named Blizzard goes by undetected.
First, name changes + server transfers were not allowed so people "have a reputation to preserve".
In time they opened up server transfers (paid of course...) so you could indirectly "erase" your past of scams / ninja loots and go somewhere else to "prosper".
Then of course the good old "naming changing is not allowed for any reason and we're so strict about this" policy went out the window AND DEAR SIR YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR NAME...for a fee
Now they're reducing the cooldown to 1 month.
Milking the cow's cash anyone?
THIS is mockery.
If SOE ruined games it could be to simple lack of organisation + insight / knowledge on MMORPGs. In a few words they are allowed NOT to be good developers or whatsoever.
To SWG ppl: GET OVER IT. It's kinda annoying when every 3 mins an "SWG Vet" pops up like an advertisement to tell us SOE is the devil...Seriously, go get a new game to play or a new hobbie... :P
It amazes me that SOE gets flamed for adjusting a game to a new crowd instead of the one it had (yeah SWG went casual I suppose) and being flamed for oh so many things like destroying games / ruining gamers lives or whatever rocks your boat however the blatant mockery of the colossus named Blizzard goes by undetected. First, name changes + server transfers were not allowed so people "have a reputation to preserve". In time they opened up server transfers (paid of course...) so you could indirectly "erase" your past of scams / ninja loots and go somewhere else to "prosper".
Then of course the good old "naming changing is not allowed for any reason and we're so strict about this" policy went out the window AND DEAR SIR YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR NAME...for a fee
Now they're reducing the cooldown to 1 month.
Milking the cow's cash anyone?
THIS is mockery. If SOE ruined games it could be to simple lack of organisation + insight / knowledge on MMORPGs. In a few words they are allowed NOT to be good developers or whatsoever.
To SWG ppl: GET OVER IT. It's kinda annoying when every 3 mins an "SWG Vet" pops up like an advertisement to tell us SOE is the devil...Seriously, go get a new game to play or a new hobbie... :P
For the record, it's really annoying whe someone pops up and says "get over it" every five minutes
The game adjusted itself to fit a new audience at the COST of the old audience. It was like they said, screw you guys, we don't want your business we want theirs.
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I think you have this backwords. Because i dont see 100,000 posts by differant people on this forum nor the SOE forums. I see the same 1000 people QQ and thinking SOE gives a damn about you. Its there game if you dont like it quit. By not quiting your just saying you love the game and your just QQ. So with the same amount of subs before a QQ as after the QQ hmm wat do you think SOE is going to do??? NOTHING!!!
If people really need to rehash how Microsoft flushed this poo after they lost 10's of MILLIONS on it.. then somebody is just wanting to re-write history.
Did anyone really expect SOE to fund the 4 years of development this game needed? (if so why?)
The only thing I would like to actually have an official(tm) statement on... why in the hell did SOE ever agree to buy it... (I like certain things about Vanguard.. but this isn't SOE's problem other than they bought it).
I think you have this backwords. Because i dont see 100,000 posts by differant people on this forum nor the SOE forums. I see the same 1000 people QQ and thinking SOE gives a damn about you. Its there game if you dont like it quit. By not quiting your just saying you love the game and your just QQ. So with the same amount of subs before a QQ as after the QQ hmm wat do you think SOE is going to do??? NOTHING!!!
If you read it carefully no one said there was 100k postings in this forum or other forums either complains or positive.
I don't claim SOE to care if I play or not and I'm satsified as it is, so love a game would be a strong word then I would be online most of the time which I can't but yeah it's a decent game and I like it.
And as far what SOE is doing I about EQ2 I have no specific request from them so I couldn't be bothered what they do as long as they keep the servers online I'm happy.
Then again I'm not the hardcore player that twist and turn every rock and get hung up in stuff which is bad with a game. I play as long as it's playable if EQ2 is not to my likening in a year from now I simply swap to another game very easy.
There was a "warrior strike" due to aggro issue in EQ a long time ago, and SOE added "Bellow" line to remedy the situation. But a well geared warrior with dual proc weapon has no trouble of holding aggro anyway. To say that WoW war is superior to that of EQ is simply ridiculous. EQ warrior is the king of the hill, nothing even come close to their tanking ability and group desirability, whereas WoW's warrior plays like any other character, solo to max then raiding.
There was a "warrior strike" due to aggro issue in EQ a long time ago, and SOE added "Bellow" line to remedy the situation. But a well geared warrior with dual proc weapon has no trouble of holding aggro anyway. To say that WoW war is superior to that of EQ is simply ridiculous. EQ warrior is the king of the hill, nothing even come close to their tanking ability and group desirability, whereas WoW's warrior plays like any other character, solo to max then raiding.
Spot onthey just love easy WoW. and cant take a challenge which EQ1 brought to the table
This statement is 200% correct.
The difference was having dual proc weapons REQUIRED raiding, which the great majority despise. And if you feel they are being wimpy let me throw down the gauntlet, join the Mac server in EQ1 and play a non-raiding warrior and see how many groups you get....the problem is the same as in Vanguard THREE tank classes are competing for ONE tank spot, and Steel Warrior has complaining about DKs being overpowered already...an SOE trade mark, and having no players due to picking the wrong class and one no one wants to play to be #1 tank and the only group choice. The old line "if you don't like your class start over.." they will QUIT and play AoC or WAR or even WoW, and finish off the dumb game Vanguard.
BTW, for the pansies playing Mages and Necros in EQ1 I AFK leveled one, litterly was only at the keyboard to sit AFK and have the pet get me exp and move from spawn to spawn.
My druid died twice to 50th, and my cleric took a whole 6 days to level to 63. Any class was easier than warrior to level in EQ1. EQ1 wasn't at all hard, except for the poor player who lacked any rudimentary skill unless you choose warrior or rogue.
How hard is it for anyone to get a dual hate proc nowadays? Just run couple of DON. Great majority despise raiding? Hmm, isn't 90% of the EQ population today raiders? DK being overpowered? DK have always been the paper tank of EQ. What is your definition of being overpower/underpower? Solobility?
Funny your statement on mage/necro only showed your character. I have play many PUG in eq and have seldomly ran into anyone going afk for extended of period. Its not about how hard/easy the class is, but how responsible/irresponsible the player behind the character is.
Solo a couple of DoN's? No one does DoN anymore so you will NEVER get a weapon from there. Heck no one plays EQ1 compared to 10000000 players playing WoW compared to 5000 playing EQ1.
The point, and you missed it, EQ1 should NOT have had ANY classes able to AFK level.
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Anti SoE sentiment is the new religion amongst mmo gamers, haven't you heard? For LO! Shall ye hate upon soe, or all manner of time shall ye pass in the depths of the hell that is WoW. For all manner of evil is spawned by the dark soe gods. Or some such.
And like most religions its irrational nonsense based on a failure of mind/maturity.
Great, they changed their game. And now you feel like the world is out to get you (meds time?). Of course.. they owe you nothing, and you implicitly agreed to them changing their game whenever they feel like it by signing the user agreement (no one reads the fine print, especially on game UA's). Like any company in the world (not just gaming), they will make the product they want to make, and people will either buy it or not buy it. If you don't like it, you don't buy it. You don't cry and whine about it for the next 5 years if the product no longer suits your needs. You buy a different one. The market demands easy braindead kiddy games.. the developers produce braindead kiddy games. SoE is no exception. The fact that many, many people still pay for the products is proof they are on the right track from a market standpoint, and if the low number of people who prefer more complex gaming is left behind.. so be it, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
VG was a mess on release.. its much better now, after soe had a go at it. Eq series did rather well, especially after soe went at it. Both involved changes dumbing the game down.. and the masses that play em seem to enjoy it. SWG.. had its share of problems on release.. then soe went at it, now its accessible to billy the 14 year old gamer.. who happens to be the majority of gamers. From the console game generation.
One of these days a game developer will actually produce an intellectual's adult orientated complex game, but it wont be a mainstreamer.. (forget bioware, they would also aim at the mass market, not the niche adult genre). But it will be a small dev team, likely not to do so well (Rv / DnL anyone?). One of these days we'll get a real virtual world, fully sandboxed, without hard set class structures, with the full politics and social, economic dynamics we want.. but it will not do very well, we're just not large enough numbers of such types of games for most devs to consider it worthwhile.
In the meantime, swallow your prides already. What are you, a bunch of cavemen? Shrug it off like a real human would do, and stop bitching about soe every other post. We. Don't. Give. A. Flying. Frack. The rest of us just don't play their games (well i messing with vg now as something to do while waiting for other stuff this summer..), and thats all the protest we need to do (and that they will understand.. vote with your wallet, not with giving them free advertising with every post you make).
Guess your ideal of a MMORPG is soloing, very typical of Wow player I guess. Get a few friends, I was even running LDON not too long ago. Who cares about how many are playing. What I do know is the people I ran into in WoW are teens who wants to prove their manhood, bad mouthing each other and leave the group over smallest arguement, basically people who have zero responsibility. And the players I've met in EQ and VG are mature players who will stay for CR and etc.
Guess your ideal of a MMORPG is soloing, very typical of Wow player I guess. Get a few friends, I was even running LDON not too long ago. Who cares about how many are playing. What I do know is the people I ran into in WoW are teens who wants to prove their manhood, bad mouthing each other and leave the group over smallest arguement, basically people who have zero responsibility. And the players I've met in EQ and VG are mature players who will stay for CR and etc.
Way to generalize the entire population of a game. I am so tired of these kinds of statements. I am an adult and quite mature and responsible and I enjoy WoW, as do other adult friends I have, We also play VG and EQ2. People really need to get over this bashing of others for playing a game they don't enjoy!
Also I have met people like you describe above in every MMO I play and have played,of course you are going to meet alot more people like that in a game like WoW just becuase of such a large playerbase.
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Mostly it is. Except for people who are unable to socialise on their own time and end up lacking in people wanting to adventure with them, so want it forced on everyone.
Did I mention crafters are about 99% solo'd in all mmos? Or economic people in games where thats relevant? (eve for instance)? Did I mention that going off on your own, doing your thing, then coming back to town to share your stories with your townfolk, selling them your treasures, bartering for supplies, etc etc.. is all part of the social part of mmo play? Yes.. I have.. many many times now.
But no, apparently if you don't co-operative play in adventures, you are apparently anti-social. Huh.
My apologies. My experience with WoW is limited since I find it too dull and quit at 50. But I do have to say 90% of the people I tried to group with is as I've described, whereas spending a year in VG and I have yet to run into a single person like such.
Ive given up warning people. People just dont seem to want to be warned. They'd rather go through the drama of handing over their cash only to realise they've been screwed by the most careless company on the MMO market.
Its unfortunate really, as its these peoples attitudes that keeps SoE alive and allows the scam to continue. Infact ive come to the conclusion theres nothing I can do about it, threads like these are pointless, as there will always be staunch fanbois, OR neutral partys who will be prepared to give SoE the benefit of the doubt.
So all I say tis, let people get screwed by SoE, and if you get burnt, if you come back here whining, all your going to get from me is "I told you so".
Maybe one day people will get wise and start listening.
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Can you please explain the term careless? Like SoE does not care about their customers and only for... money? So they do whatever they can to.. ruin the game, because that will bring them more money? I can't get the logic. Can you explain how SoE differs from Turbine or Blizzard?
REALITY CHECK
Or they actually don't care about money at all, and run the business for... having fun ruining games and making people angry?
REALITY CHECK
So Blizzard created a game for you soloers to enjoy, and I'm all happy for you all. But there are plenty who enjoys cooperative play, so don't complain when a game emphasis on grouping.
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I think it is a pretty good game, just needs some work.
SOE bought it, give them time to work with it. Not like they have a huge staff on it and that makes sense the player base is not there to support it. They did not design it, and they took it over way down the development stream so to fault them at all makes little sense. Blame them for what they have done and you can plainly attribute to them without bias or malice.
As to the players, the players who are playing are clearly enjoying the game enough or the people they know in it to pay what they pay so to accuse them of ruining it makes little sense as well.. since they are the ones still playing clearly they do not have such a major issue with it.
SOE is what it is, and what you are is pretty clear as well.. and that is just a troll from another forum trying to tell people what's wrong with them.
You know what's wrong with you? You can not let things go. SWG has been in this state for a very long time, and you hang on. You remind me of the ex girlfriend who won't leave a guy alone and who calls his cell phone every 25 minutes.
"It isn't you , it 's me... erm... SOE".
Can you please explain the term careless? Like SoE does not care about their customers and only for... money? So they do whatever they can to.. ruin the game, because that will bring them more money? I can't get the logic. Can you explain how SoE differs from Turbine or Blizzard?
SoE only care about money, however they dont seem to understand; if you stick to your word, respect the customer and take their opinions onboard it will lead to a better game, more subscribers and in effect, more money.
But evidently, they cant be bothered to take care, they would rather use risk tactics in an attempt to garner a quick buck. Which inadvertently results in them losing money.
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Believe it or not SOE was only the publisher when VG launched. My intuition told me not to start playing because there was a chance SOE would end up being in control. Well I did not listen and they ended up in control. The only reason I played the game originally was because SOE wasn't in control. Then when they did take control Smedley said that the game would keep to the original plan. He lied. Lied like he always does.You may wonder why I am staying with the game. Right now I dunno.
Yep, I remember a thread on the VG forums when they announced that SOE was only going to publish. I believe it was Sigil's VP jumped on there screaming that we (gamers) were all nuts and that Sigil would have full creative control of VG. I challeneged the guy to make a written promise on those forums they would never give control of the game to SOE. He wouldn't. That told me right then and there they were going to hand it over to SOE, so I stopped beta testing and focused my time on LOTRO.
Yeah, I beta tested SWG and played up until the week of the NGE announcement.
Yeah, I bought the ToOW expansion and then got my money back after they then announced the NGE (if SOE announcing the NGE after they had gotten all the ToOW orders doesn't tell you something about their ethics, well, no offense but you're stupid). *using "you're" in the general sense, not toward any specific person.
No, I don't hang out in the SWG vet forums here as it's not going to change anything.
No, I will not ever buy another game that is developed OR published by SOE. As has been stated, everyone in the industry knows what happened. If a company chooses to associate with SOE, then it tells me they don't give a crap about their players just as SOE doesn't.
That's a message that I, for one, just can't ignore.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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It amazes me that SOE gets flamed for adjusting a game to a new crowd instead of the one it had (yeah SWG went casual I suppose) and being flamed for oh so many things like destroying games / ruining gamers lives or whatever rocks your boat however the blatant mockery of the colossus named Blizzard goes by undetected.
First, name changes + server transfers were not allowed so people "have a reputation to preserve".
In time they opened up server transfers (paid of course...) so you could indirectly "erase" your past of scams / ninja loots and go somewhere else to "prosper".
Then of course the good old "naming changing is not allowed for any reason and we're so strict about this" policy went out the window AND DEAR SIR YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR NAME...for a fee
Now they're reducing the cooldown to 1 month.
Milking the cow's cash anyone?
THIS is mockery.
If SOE ruined games it could be to simple lack of organisation + insight / knowledge on MMORPGs. In a few words they are allowed NOT to be good developers or whatsoever.
To SWG ppl: GET OVER IT. It's kinda annoying when every 3 mins an "SWG Vet" pops up like an advertisement to tell us SOE is the devil...Seriously, go get a new game to play or a new hobbie... :P
For the record, it's really annoying whe someone pops up and says "get over it" every five minutes
The game adjusted itself to fit a new audience at the COST of the old audience. It was like they said, screw you guys, we don't want your business we want theirs.