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media and goverment make mmorpgs look bad
Housam
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ahhhh im sick of the media and some goverments constantly talking about mmorpgs as a bad thing and that it ruins millions of peopels lives and family....i mean its like nearly every day that the news comes up with a story about wow, eq....second life ect ect....
im geting tierd of this....
ps ...sorry about my moan....
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They do this with everything and your concern is your precious MMOs? Fuck man...
They were reducing every democratic candidates campaign to "calculated" hillary, "inexperienced" obama, and "rich" edwards during the primaries here and your concern is your video games?
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Honestly this has been the case for some time. I recal entire movies being dedicated as to how D&D will make you lose your mind. There is some perception that somehow we lose control and that we allow the games to interfer with our lives. I agree that can happen, and I, on some occasions, have played longer than I expected. HOwever, I believe the vast majority of players the games have little impact except for evening/weekend fun
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Media and government making MMO's look bad still doesn't make up for companies doing nothing. Not everyone is affected by MMO's the same, but you can't deny a lot of times they're playing too much and it probably interfers with their normal life.
How many laws / labels are there for MMO's in the west? 0. Even china has laws that restrict them.
If you want to complain about someone making MMO's look bad, go look at the companies that make them.
hmmm....why blaim the company....
......they didnt tell anyone to get addicted......
hmmm....why blaim the company....
......they didnt tell anyone to get addicted......
Why blame drug dealers... they didnt tell anyone to get addicted...
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They didn't tell anyone to get addicted. But simple measures like in China will prevent these problems from escalating.
A simple measure would be to restrict accounts to only have acces for 10 consecutive hours. To limit daily playtime. To limit grind in games. To limit progression based lvl'ing. To limit addictive aspects of a game put there on purpose.
All of these things are put there on purpose by companies, so you will keep playing as long as possible, that's where people run into problems. There's a lot of solutions to this problem, a lot of companies can do something to stop this.
But most do nothing.
@god: thats a stupid comeback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@candygirl: ya....i suppose that can be done.....but it will never happen.....cos people will moan aboit it taking away there freedom and crap...meh........but i think the only reason china did thats was cos of the millions of gold seller and farmers they had there....and china still has some communisim...
They didn't tell anyone to get addicted. But simple measures like in China will prevent these problems from escalating.
A simple measure would be to restrict accounts to only have acces for 10 consecutive hours. To limit daily playtime. To limit grind in games. To limit progression based lvl'ing. To limit addictive aspects of a game put there on purpose.
All of these things are put there on purpose by companies, so you will keep playing as long as possible, that's where people run into problems. There's a lot of solutions to this problem, a lot of companies can do something to stop this.
But most do nothing.
Freedom works two ways. Freedom to do as you please, and freedom to feel the consequences for your actions.Governments should not be restricting you from doing anything, its your democratic right, to put your life in harms way. What they should be doing is providing warnings, alerting health risks and setting up help groups for individuals who seek assistance.
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Why?
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That would be a good first step at least if they can't deal with the companies. Not everyone has problems with these games, but the people that do could probably use some help.
I just wish the government would have a guy standing by the checkout line in the groceries to tell me how much food I can buy...and make sure it's all healthy...because I have no self control.
Then I wish he'd stand by the lottery machine...and make sure I don't waste my money...because I have no self control.
Then he could come to my house and turn off my TV the minute I hit the recommended daily allowance for television viewing...because I have no self control.
Then he could tell me what time to go to bed (of course, a story would be nice too), so I can get the recommended daily allowance of sleep...because I have no self control.
Of course, he'd have to be there first thing in the morning to wake me up on time...
hopefully you get the point.
Quit blaming MMO companies for your own shortcomings and lack of personal responsibility and self control. As of right now, guess what...the American Medical Association says video games AREN'T medically defined as addictive...not mentally addictive, not physically addictive.
Grow up and take control of your life, quit asking someone else to do it for you.
There is no MMO addiction "problem". The same kids whose grades are dropping because they waste too much time in MMOs are the kids that would be getting bad grades because they run around the neighborhood all day or sneak into movie theaters all day had they been born a few decades earlier.
The perceived addiction "problem" is just because society is still deciding what to make of these games and the media is jumping on the opportunity to raise their ratings.
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Why?
sorry.....just thought that it was stupid to compare mmo companys to drugdealers....didnt mean to offend....thought you were a troll
I know people that spend 8-10 hours a day in front of the TV.. Where is the government about how bad the TV is? Oh wait.. they did that back when TV was new and "dangerous".
I know people that spend 14 hours a day sitting on a chair looking out their windows watching birdies and listening to radio.. so they may be retired, but 14 hours of radio a day? That must be dangerous! Nope, not according to government.. They kinda lost that battle back when radio came around..
In the 50's, it was the ROCK that was dangerous, parents beat their kids, governments sent out cops to stop rock concerts..all because "rock was dangerous to the young minds"... *le'sigh*
Those who forget history is bound to repeat it. Governments forget history all the time, because they only focus on the time between election, and looking good and petting the heads of babies and "citizen groups" of concerned fanatics that may or may not earn them votes...
Well to be honest..
I believe that if the "average" person logged into an MMO. Then watched the way people act...
ANY campaign by Media and Government would pale in comparison. I mean honestly... its not just that the MMO's have become crappy clones of a certain set of game mechanics...
I just get sick of the amount of... *censor myself* running around in MMO's today.
Before MMOs, Christians attacked D&D as satanic. Basically, it's easy to blame societal problems on something obscure and "weird."
As MMOs become more mainstream, this will probably abate somewhat. Then geeks will come up with a new hobby, and the whole cycle will begin anew.
But for the record, Second Life deserves every bit of ridicule it receives.
Persoanlly I just hate the 'MMORPG Addiction' craptalk. "MMORPG's ruined my life!" ... uhm no you f... tard, you ruined your own life by choosing to waste all your time with a game. Try taking some responsibility for your actions maybe? I've never had a problem putting the game down and have next to no sympathy for anyone who is SO utterly weak willed that they neglect family/children/loved ones/REAL LIFE because of a game. Learn some damn self cotrol.
And then these morons make it to the news with their 'tragic' story of how their child died because they are addicted to MMORPG's and then all gamers end up looking like idiots. BS.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Yeah, I smoke and drink even though I know it's bad for me. It's something I know I have to take responsibility for, now and down the road.
Yeah, I go to the gym and work out, I watch what I eat a bit... but I still skip the gym to play video games sometimes, and I eat like crap sometimes.
Point is, I have no one to blame but myself. Yeah, cigarettes and alchohol are medically addictive, but I'm the one who chose to start in the first place.
Yeah, MMOs can "feel" like they are addictive, but I choose to let myself get so wrapped up in them, just like I chose to cut the cord and quit playing for a while.
Society (and individuals) have always looked for scapegoats. It's probably the hardest thing to do in this existence is look at the things you don't like about yourself and the world around you and actually do something about it. Sometimes, you don't have a choice. Sometimes things are so bad, there really isn't a way out unless you get outside help. I'm talking like poor African villages etc.
But if you've got access to read this forum, I really doubt you are a poor African villager.
If you rely on the media and government to tell you everything, how to live your life, what is good, what is bad, what is dangerous etc. etc. etc. you won't be living *your* life. You'll be living someone else's.
As with all things in life, it's best served in moderation. Too much of anything is probably bad for you.
If you're an adult and can't figure out what is good/bad for you on your own, well, you probably need more help then any government and/or media outlet could ever give you.
Man, you guys are pretty harsh and have no compasion.
If that person was you, you'd want help too. It's the government that has to intervene when something happens to their citizens, be it people that are poor, sick or w/e. That's why politics need to discuss this.
It's also the duty of other people to look after them.At least that's what I believe in.
You have no idea how people grow up or in what circumstances they live or how prone they are to addiction.
"They have no self-controll, it's their own fault, noone tells them to play" is just the same as "I don't care and I just turn my back to any problems around me".
There is nothing special about MMO addiction compared to any other addiction, and it isn't a widespread problem in any case.
Help is available for people like this already. Wearing a ribbon and declaring January MMO Addiction Awareness month won't get you any closer to salvation than what people are posting here on a video game forum.
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People don't want to blame themselves, they don't want to say their child is withdrawn or hurt someone, or worse because of bad parenting so they blame entertainment. Entertainment is the easiest thing to blame for peoples screw ups. A kid shoots up a school blame movies, a someone commits suicide blame music, a kid stays home and plays video games instead of going out, blame video games. Don't blame society, don't blame bad parenting, blame entertainment. The thing thats wrong with this world is no one wants to take responsibility for their bad actions. Its not because parents have to work 90+ hours a week and ignores their kids to make money. Its not the rich person who goes on trips, or is at work even when he/she is at home and leaves the kids with the Nanny, its not the parents who beat or molest their children that makes these kids flip out or want to take refuge in their rooms and hide in a game, its entertainment.
The other day I was in a shoe store and a kid wanted to buy shoes that had skulls on it and his mother said "no you can't have those shoes their evil, you'll go to hell if you wear those shoes" which scared the kid to and he went up to his grandmother and said "mommy said the skull shoes are evil" and the grandmother said nothing because she probably said something similar to her daughter which scared her. This is whats wrong with society, crazy people saying this is evil, this is bad, when all it is is entertainment or in the case of the shoes shoes with a skull on them. I wanted to yell at this mother, I wanted to get in her face and scream what the hell are you doing with your kid, he's going to turn out a nut like you! But I didn't because its none of my business if a mother wants to F up her kid. Just like it shouldn't be anyone elses business what I watch, listen to or play. As long as I'm not hurting anyone who cares, its Fing entertainment!!!!
First of all, it isn't me...nor would it be me...because I can actually control my life and behavior. Second of all, no...I wouldn't want "help" from the government, nor is that their job. Third...it's not even close to my "duty" as "other people" to look after some pinhead who can't stop playing a video game long enough to eat and drink. In fact, I'd rather see them off the radar, because they're a waste of skin.
p.s. Just to be clear...I don't care, and I can just turn my back to THIS problem.
every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's a total excuse for basically being a loser. "I can't get a job or feed my kids because I can't stop killing goblins"...please.
Where were you when Mortal Kombat and Doom 1 came out?
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
If more families paid attention to their kids, go on trips, play video games with them, or board or card games, instead of ignoring them or beating them, I think you'd see much less problem. In some cases its not really the parents fault. For some families to make ends meat they have to work long hours and sometimes 2+ jobs. If you want the government to help then have them raise the minimum wage to where the price of living is. Pay hard working people what they're worth which will help them and they will be able to be home more to spend time with their kids. Be harder on people who hire illegals, and make them hire Americans in stead of saying "the illegals do the work others don't want to do", thats a cop out. If people payed $15 an hour to mow lawns, pick crops, shovel shit, I bet tons of people would want those jobs. Just like if we paid teachers what their worth then we'd have better quality teachers, but NOOO, we'd rather pay a basketball player $40 million a year rather than pay hard working people what their worth.
I have compassion for people who have addictions, I feel bad for them, but how many people with addictions have them because of something that happened in their past or something that someone did to them, or because they didn't feel their parents loved them because they weren't around. Its so easy to blame something else instead of looking in the mirror. People don't want to take responsibility of their actions, they want to blame something else. I see it all the time, people screw up and blame others, or blame entertainment and when stories like this hit the media the polititions eat it up like candy.