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Greedy Gamespot fire "The Gerstmann" over Kane and Lynch review!
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Edit: Btw. it's confirmed as true.
"We've heard an unsettling rumor today from an anonymous tipster that longtime game reviewer Jeff Gerstmann from Gamespot has been let go. That wouldn't necessarily be newsworthy, but the conditions under which he was allegedly dismissed were. According to the source, Gerstmann was fired "on the spot" due to advertiser pressure for his review of Eidos' Kane & Lynch: Dead Men."
A visit to Gamespot shows that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game has taken over the site very prominently, with backgrounds and multiple banner ads all pitching Kane & Lynch. Allegedly, publisher Eidos "took issue with the review and threatened to pull its ad campaign."
http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review-328244.php
The banned review:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/138112.html
Quite pathetic tbh, the only people complaining about his reviews really were the forum crying fanbois cause he gave a game like 0.2 below what they wanted lol. I really find it sad to think reviews can be decided on money and not on how good the game actually is. Too many games are getting 9's these days and most of them i thought were complete shite like bioshock.
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Rofl all the reviews it's getting ont he site now cause of this...
http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kanelynchdeadmen/players.html?tag=hotslot;yousay
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For any gamespot subscribers, or others just curious, former Gamespot lead developer Adam_B has posted a blog tallying the fallout "losses". You can see it here.
*updated* Here is Joystiq's article.
*edit* woops fixed link
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The real loss to GameSpot is not monetary value. They have already recieved a thrashing on gameblogs like Joystiq, and others.
The loss of credibility is gonna hurt. . .
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I do not trust Gamespot. Its reviews are artificial and biased.
More to the point, when I visit Gamespot, I basically have to disable my anti-virus software and other security measures because of the amount of adware, spyware, and other problems.
Although I do not like ign.com THAT much, still better than gamespot.
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I haven't trusted this site in a long time, this just confirms my views. I miss having reliable and fair game review sites. Gamestop, IGN, meh, whatever.
Hat's off to Jeff. He called it how he saw it. Then again I never really cared much for reviewers and reviews for just about anything. I see it for myself rather then believing that some douche out there got paid to say that whatever he's reviewing is "riveting".
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Now.. where is that thread where i was explaining to someone that gamespot isn't a reliable reviewing source...
Guess it was all a figment of my imagination..
But at the same time.. Penny Arcade should definitely not be throwing the first stones... As I recall they said they dont support bad games... then they had huge ads for Hellgate london all over the site...
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Im guilty of thinking the same thing, until I actually played Hellgate London. Its a preety fucking good game to be honest, its not 9.5 quality or whatever, but its a solid 8 or 8.5 for sure. Animations are smooth fluid and nice, sounds and graphics are badass, runs great, the optional subscription service offers quite a good little bit of bonus, the multiplayer mode is co-op and/or PvP, the classes have a good bit of variance, and it takes everything great from Diablo 2, makes it better, and makes what sucked about D2 better.
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You TOTALLY misread what Gabriel said Meth. He said he doesn't allow ads on the site they they don't like. He said NOTHING about the review scores for said games. If they like the game, they allow the ads to make a recommendation on their behlf. Apparently they enjoyed Hellgate: London and therefor they had ads for it on their website.
"So from then on we started demanding playable copies of games before we'd agree to advertising. No matter how early the build we tell the publishers that unless we can see it played in front of us or play it ourselves we won't run ads for it. Obviously a lot can still go wrong during development but we make the best decisions we can. We do not think of the ads you see on our page as ads. They are recommendations and we try extremely hard to insure that anything we put over there is worth your time."
No where in the article did they say that a game needs a good review score by other gamesites to be placed on their website.
P.S. Just because you think its a bad game doesn't mean it is a universally accepted bad game. You aren't the end-all and be-all of videogame opinions. Hellgate: London was a pretty good game.
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Wish they'd do that here before listing games and giving them forum space ( keep the ads to make money, though). Make things alot easier and cut down on scam jobs.
Wish they'd do that here before listing games and giving them forum space ( keep the ads to make money, though). Make things alot easier and cut down on scam jobs.
When's that Mourning game coming out?
I lost my belief in Gamespot a long time ago. This whole incident only validates my suspicions.
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My sentiments exactly.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Wish they'd do that here before listing games and giving them forum space ( keep the ads to make money, though). Make things alot easier and cut down on scam jobs.
When's that Mourning game coming out?
Heh, exactly.
Doesn't look good for Gamespot now:
gonintendo.com/
Interesting. That little blurb isn't confirmed and verified, but it certainly sounds legitimate, and it certainly makes sense.
Yeah, I thought that blurb quoted in gonintendo had the ring of truth, too. If so, it's pretty damning for Gamespot.
As it is, I'm done with GS. I've been a (free) member there since 2004. As time's gone by, I've been less and less confident in them, and after this... well, there's really no reason to go there anymore.
That piece makes it sound almost as if the GS writers are ready to strike over this. And they totally should. The only way integrity will ever be returned to gaming journalism is if the journalists themselves demand it. And that's pretty much the only way the suits will ever listen. They can afford to ignore the consumers until this whole thing blows over, but they'd probably have more cause for concern if it were their own employees.
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All sites that get their revenue from ads are the same way. If you ever pay attention to the advertisements on this site and the reviews of games currently advertises you will never see a bad review for a current advertiser, no matter how bad the game may be. Why are you here you may ask. Well it isn't for the reviews, it is for game news and contests.
One thing people are overlooking a bit, and they shouldn't, is that EIDOS played a part in this also. I'm waiting for the backlash to hit them in the ass.
I am pretty new to the gaming scene. Relatively speaking I guess. But I am not going to go to the Gamespot site anymore.
This is surprising to me. The readers are what sell a site. If we don't come then they absolutely do not make money. We're what make or break everything. Don't these people understand that?
What they should have done is told the advertisers, "if you want to advertise on our site that gets X number of visitors per day, then you accept our reviews or move on!" This would have sent a clear message to the readers, gained the site more respect, and in turn brought in more readers of the site. Then no advertiser is going to pass up on getting their ad on so many screens.
If this approach were taken then it would have been on the gaming companies to either accept that their games suck (which they have been lately) and take the burn of the bad review or actually make some good games for a change!
The way this was handled it's like the management at Gamespot saying, "the readers don't matter, the advertisers do."
Hey, Gamespot management: Without the readers you won't have the advertisers. We're the ones that matter. Or used to for you at least. I hope you can get that message through your heads before it's too late for you to recover.
I'm not going to Gamespot now. I won't even give them the joy of a click through to use to their advantage. This is just wrong. And it also shows the short sightedness of the management there. Not very good at their jobs apparently.
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Zorvan, apparently there were a lot of people flooding Eidos' forums over this, too. I'm sure Eidos will be hurt by this as well. However, it is Gamespot/CNET which is ultimately to blame for what happened. They're the ones that caved and fired their editor over a review.
I've already deleted most everything I had on my account at Gamespot (in the 4 years I've been a member there, I was never a paid subscriber) and I wont be going back. As for Eidos: I'll think at least twice before buying anything from them again. I wont say I'll never do it, but it's a lot less likely now.
unprofessional? how? act like a 14 yr old? get your facts straight if you know Gerstmann as long as most of us known him, you know that is his style, he is unflinching, direct about a game heis reviewing, if it sucks ass, he explains why it sucks ass, and follows up a final retorte covered with facts. with the information provided, it allows you the viewer to make a initial assesment to buy the game or not.
you think EIDOS didnt have anything to do with it? how that sand taste huh? must be fun having ya head in the sand huh.
as far as ad placement on GS? yeah ur right EIDOS has every right, no doubt there, they can log a complaint, but if GS had any credibility theyd stick to their loyalty with their senior editor who has been there for about several years before the new craptastic managment JOshie boy came in and made the GS site all about making dinero. GS/CNET forgot who made them, they forgot where their loyalities lie. with US the viewer. THey no longer offer credible, worthy or honest reviews for the mere fact they influence the editors and reviewers into high marking game reviews more than they should.
I played K&L the game was atrocious, had no valyue to it, there was times I had to turn it off I got frustrated with features of the game that were either broken, buggy or down right implemented bad. Gerstmann basically covered everything everyone felt the game offered. I believe EIDOS had a direct play in Gerstmann getting fired, by withdrawing its ad financial support fromt eh site thus cementing anger in the dept where Josh cowers daily thinking up various ways to ilk money. what it comes down to, is that CNET/ EIDOS both had a hand in his firing, its unfounded, unjustified, and borders on unethical labor practices.
now youllnotice games getting higher scores than they should, cause u have reviewers who fear theyll get shitcanned if they write a promising review or afraid to witty, comical or otherwise genuinine abot how they feel of the given game. GS is gonna hurt bad for this, once the smoke clears we will see where GS stands, as for me and im sure thousands of others we have essentially packed our virtual bags and hiked it to a new site for more promising honest reviews.
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But the point here is that this particular reviewer has always had reviews like this. They've always had that tone, that twinge of nastiness in them. If they deemed him worthy of being fired, it should have been years ago, at the very least two years ago when the new management took over.