I don't play EVE and i don't know much about these things, just what I read on the net, but what I get is this:
If a dev plays his own game, people think, he is cheating.
What is better? A Dev who plays his own game and knows the problems, or a dev who doesn't play his game (like many others i.e. Vanguard and SOE developers).
If you play your game, players get EVE, if you don't play your game, players get NGE EQ2 and Vanguard.
The only mistake from CCP is (I think), they let players know, who they are in-game. This can't happen! If a dev plays the game, he has to be ALWAYS anonymous to his guild/group mates. Then there are no assumptions from the regular players.
I don't play eve but the article didnt explain the fast response when he was banned. What did he "said" it less than 40seconds someone sign on the chat program. It was to show that CCP still played in this "bob" guild. I do not know but by what people say it true.
In my experince it takes hours for responce of GM unless your favored by them. It's been seen in the past of GM/Dev favoring other certain guilds over some in past mmogs. that includes WoW where I seen favorism. It didn't involve any extrem favoritism like item giving what ccp was guilty of in the past.
I advise you re-read the dev report as he stated this guy has a history of doing things that are against the actions of the ISD. Also i often get petitions answed pretty quickly you know.
Also its important to not ethat you are taking his unsuported word for it again.
I think that the big issue here is that Eve is a PvP and persistent world game in which one powerful alliance has been accused of having preferential relationship with members of the developer's staff, at least one of whom was a member of that alliance. The persistent world part is a big issue -- whoever controls a region has access to its resources in ways that don't exist in most other MMORPGs. And the way that PvP works in Eve, there is effectively a strong death penalty -- you lose modules from your ship, which means ISK, even if your insurance covers the cost of a new ship.
The GoonFleet's allegations are very serious if they are true -- that the developers are essentially cheating to support one side in a war. I don't think it is really happening, but I wouldn't be so dismissive of the seriousness of the allegation if true.
They already lost and are loosing alot of players. Admiting anything bad regarding their own company would make it worse so its not gonna happen. A serious company wont make such mistakes.
This investigation is well written but wont bring players back and I for one think its useless even if it had to be done.
They had to show they take this matters seriously and they did....but its too late. The harm was done long time ago.
Some alliance at some point got an edge over the others with some GMs help. They admitted that.
They shouldve solved the problem quietly without giving much info. Bad publicity got to people.
But hey its an old game anyway... 4 years was nice as it lasted.
Personaly I look forward to Start Trek online and even Pirate of the Burning sea.
Ever think that maybe someone likes SWG? Honestly I think it sucks now (the first year was the only time it was fun for me). But anyway I only do EVE now and love it. None of this drama effects my game at all, and to be honest I don't really understand why people would go through such trouble just to stir up shit. Seriously, the nerds need to get laid or get a job or SOMETHING to do.
BTW, I've been called emo before, so lay off the anti-emo shit ok? People are who they are, let'em the fuck be.
A company doing an investigation of itself and coming up clean ??!! Omg I really didn't see that coming. I really thought CCP was going to prove they are guilty LOL. Come on people .
It wasn’t "They" there were investigating, it was members of the company.
Ever work for a company? Im guessing not, our you would know that if some one within the company does something wrong, they are fired, and that company goes on.
You really think they would "cover up" for one member, a member of the CR staff, and risk tarnishing the company’s image and reputation, i don’t think anyone in any CR position would ever be worth that, if it lead to more profits, they would flay him in public.
Normally I would agree with this but the fact that CCP has a whopping 117 employees probably means they are a little bit closer then your aver multi-national. And that's with the assumption they are telling the truth and that the arc wasn't rigged otherwise that would include far more people.
What really got me though is that the one story I did believe (Sharkbait joined a corp to fix a bug) Is really the only thing they provided evidence against. The other evidence basically boils down to 'because we said so, it's true.' And those were in my opinion the more damaging accusations, not sharkbait. For me anyway, their proof didn't really prove anything except the one accusation in which I believed them.
You can't have a proper investigation unless a third party conducts it.
The fact remains that CCP employees and player volunteer guides have done some shady things in the past.
I stopped playing 6 months after release when a developer artist gave away a monopoly on the first T2 blueprint under questionable circumstances. There was a big stink about it and the BP and profits earned from it's production were never removed from the game. If I recall correctly they added 2 more copies and gave them out later on after being pressured about it but the damage was already done by that time. A fortune had been earned by the corporation that owned the first copy and money equals power in EVE.
Lol you have to be a real tool if you belive what ccp said.
Better to be a tool than a decadent mouthpiece for the goons.
You are pretty clueless making such an assine statement. Have you ever been in Iceland, do you know anything about the Icelandic people? Quite obvious you do not. They do and say what they mean. You are suggesting they are two faced and that is just not them at all. If they say they found nothing in the investigation, I believe them, that is just the way those people are.
The goons on the other hand will lie, cheat, steal, etc to achieve their aims. That has been very successfully demonstrated by this and countless other incidents.
Who are we to believe, a confirmed lyer? NO, I think we know who the tool is.
Curious, I believe ASCN used to be the richest corp in the game, at least until BoB brought them down a notch, how exactly did all that money translate into power? Oh yeah it didn't.
Personally I wish CCP would put restrictions on all the large corps, they are just bad for the game.
But all these allegations weren't even founded on smoke, let alone fire.
A company doing an investigation of itself and coming up clean ??!! Omg I really didn't see that coming. I really thought CCP was going to prove they are guilty LOL. Come on people .
That sums up my thoughts on this issue, if you wanted to do a real investigation you would look outside of the company to receive an unbiased and more honest sounding report on the players issues, in house investigations are laughable at best and will rarely bring the truth to light.
"The volume and timing of these near-simultaneous references is no coincidence: we were the target of a carefully constructed and well-timed social engineering effort by one of the largest player groups in our community. The intention? To undermine EVE Online and the credibility of CCP Games."
As if they had any left.
And I love how they say "ther investigation proves all of these allegations to be false" when they're the ones being accused and the ones doing the "investigating". That's like having Congress do an investigation on how corrupt politicians are. What other possible answer COULD they give us without self-incrimination.
And I want to know what nutjob at CCP went and "counted" all of the 1046 posts on Digg.com and 235 comments on Slashdot. I mean holy crap. I'm not sure what's more unbeleiveable. The fact that there were over 5000 posts made during the course of a weekend by a small group of gamers about this single subject, or the fact that someone went and found and counted them all. What a bunch of wackos.
You probably responded before you read my second post with me saying that I've not played EVE in years as it's not my style. So I had no rose-colored glasses on and no reason to protect a game I'm playing/love. I just stated some stuff about what I read that I thought was unfair, that is all. If you read my second post in this thread, then maybe you will understand more where I was coming from and why I took the time to post on this topic as I've never posted in MMORPG's forums before though I read them daily.
But to reply to your question, yes CCP admitted prior employees doing wrong (as every gaming company has ever had as my good friend who manages hundreds of testors for a gaming company tell me) and that they took care of them. And you know there will be others that do wrong, and even maybe in this case one did something wrong, but so far I don't see the evidence of it and think CCP got bashed pretty hard for something they didn't do. But until they take geeks out of game development, there will continue to be company employees playing the same game they are developing and until Eve (the woman, not the game) comes back and gives that apple back to Adam and takes it all back, people are going to do wrong. I just don't think in this case CCP did or deserved what they got in all the forums.
I stopped playing ages ago, main reason was there claim to cater to all playing styles which after a long time playing decided was untrue. They dont fully cater to all playing styles but mainly to PK playing styles. I have no interest in fighting other players but can I develop the same rate as someone who does...No, and mainly because I cant go into low security areas without getting blasted by war ships while im in a mining ship, thats not PVP.
So CCP sux's in my book already this doesnt surprise me at all.
To start : EVE is a good game, one of the best on the market. But it does have problems, especially since 2007.
Point 1 :
CCP investigated itself. It does not matter what they really found, they will ALWAYS tell the public that all is well. The past has shown that their so called IA group that is supposed to stop internal abuse is a PR stunt (T20 incident anyone ?).
Point 2:
CCP is only giving details on some of the events. They dont tell the public that the true point of the recent ruckus is their way of handling things (NOT the events themselves) .. their problem with customer support. Their deleting of petitions they dont like without working on it. And that they then claim that no petition was every send in. Their rigging of in game events so that one side wins no matter how hard players work for their side ... and when it became too obvious, they pin the blame on a whistleblower that exposed the rigging.
Point 3:
CCP managers seem to have no idea what some of their junior level employees and volunteers are doing. That there is biased treatment going on, with GMs handing out insider information to buddies outside CCP. In a single shard game like EVE that has devastating consequences ( handing out "money printing machines" to only a selected part of your community is never a good idea).
Point 4 :
While I consider the Goons a plague in any MMORPG, threatening their leaders with legal action is not the way to go. And as CCP fears a normal lawsuit (which would force them to expose their inner workings as a company to outside review) they cook up some lame accusation based on art copyright infringement ..... coooooome ooooonnnnnn .... absolutely no relevance to the discussion, but a stunt devised by a clever lawyer to sew shut some player mouths without allowing someone from the outside to really investigate the evidence.
I expect better from CCP. I expect them to clean up their act !
CCP created a number or just one corporation for their employees only to play within.
They can then help drive the sorylines, play the game and see how it works first hand without ever having to get into the position they are now in.
No other mainstream mmo that I am aware of has suffered like CCP from internal shennanigans. I don't know of any uberguilds in other mmo's with DEV's and GM amongst their ranks. If their are I apologise but this is only what I know based on the games I have played.
Simply create a China Wall around their employees when playing and they won't have to put up with claims of favoritism and allegations of abuse. Make their employees drivers of storylines and intrigue and make the CPP corps independant from the player corps.
Perhaps even make the CCP controlled corps newbie friendly. Being taught how to play the game by the real pro's would be a great advertisment IMO. Thenonce you have a grounding in the game, they migrate you out to join any of the multitude of player run corps.
Boring. Just stop interacting with BOD. Go play with subscribers, not developers. If I were still playing this game, which I'm not, I would just move to the other side of the galaxy and stop interacting with them. Play however you want, but just realize that you can never beat an alliance that has that much inside information, and always has the possibility to control outcomes and spin it anyway that they want. If BOD takes over the entire universe, the only reasonable option at that point is to /Unsub.
Boring. Just stop interacting with BOD. Go play with subscribers, not developers. If I were still playing this game, which I'm not, I would just move to the other side of the galaxy and stop interacting with them. Play however you want, but just realize that you can never beat an alliance that has that much inside information, and always has the possibility to control outcomes and spin it anyway that they want. If BOD takes over the entire universe, the only reasonable option at that point is to /Unsub.
Problem is ... there IS no other side of the galaxy anymore. Band of Brothers capital ship superblob can reach across all 5000 systems with their cyno network. Which BTW is blatantly operated via account sharing .... an explicitely forbidden practice in EVE and a reason for banning. But this - like many other things - is known and tolerated by CCP.
So BoB and their pets can quickly move a system devastating force to any point on the map with little effort and high speed. And as EVE is a single sharded game, there is also no escape to another server. You can only move to NPC controlled empire space. If you are in 0.0 lawless space, there is no way to avoid interaction with the Band of Developers anymore.
Still the best game on the market, allows players to be what they want in game. As far as the anti-BoB's they are jealous they are not a more powerful in game influence. This game requires more than just a controller to play and thus means that people must think and imho by some peoples shallow comments about "The Man (aka CCP)" covering up something that other people say is more insidious than what probably really happened (that is the unphotoshopped real documents and screenshots). I know people do not like BoB, I also know that BoB currently the largest most powerful alliance in game and that by itself makes people envious and dislike BoB. They can recruit for an anti-BoB alliance, after all doesn;'t everyone hate BoB should make it easy to get the numbers for that alliance. Then start building keep recruiting try to take out BoB. If you are whining then its because you cannot do so dont believe in yourself enough or your corpmates or your alliance pals to do so and can't before the ADHD kicks in ! Quit whining quit playing or work hard to attain these goals, oh wait now someone has given you a new excuse for not being able to win the game company won't let you whaaaaaaaa!
Problem is ... there IS no other side of the galaxy anymore.
I understand completely. Well, my response would be that BOD has already "won" the game. The only reasonable option would be to /unsub. Better yet, have the entire eve universe join BOD, that way everyone can "win".
As a sidenote, I wonder what that would be like, say 90% of the server joins BOD... oh wait that has already been done in another online game: AC with the Blood monarchy. I won't bore you with the details, let's just say that it's not much fun for the 10% that remain outside of the "uber" guild/corp.
It's sad.
I agree with a lot of posters in this thread. Eve was a game with great potential, that has been unfortunately wasted away.
If you belive that eve is a bias game where everyone cheats can i politely ask you to fuck off and let the rest of us who dont beleive that play and enjoy the game. This attitute of im not getting what i want so im gonan ruin the game for everyone else by doing things like posting huge amounts of vulgar porn on there forums (which many goon members did) or by making acusations of something which you knew about as being fine (the dev goining the corp was because of there petition asking for something to be sorted out) is just like a 5 year old not getting the candy he wants.
Grow up and let the people who like the game play it, whilst you at it find something worthwhile to do with your life because the amount of effort you have put into this attempt to ruin a perfectly good game you could have gone out and got a job or a social life.
Still the best game on the market, allows players to be what they want in game. As far as the anti-BoB's they are jealous they are not a more powerful in game influence. This game requires more than just a controller to play and thus means that people must think and imho by some peoples shallow comments about "The Man (aka CCP)" covering up something that other people say is more insidious than what probably really happened (that is the unphotoshopped real documents and screenshots). I know people do not like BoB, I also know that BoB currently the largest most powerful alliance in game and that by itself makes people envious and dislike BoB. They can recruit for an anti-BoB alliance, after all doesn;'t everyone hate BoB should make it easy to get the numbers for that alliance. Then start building keep recruiting try to take out BoB. If you are whining then its because you cannot do so dont believe in yourself enough or your corpmates or your alliance pals to do so and can't before the ADHD kicks in ! Quit whining quit playing or work hard to attain these goals, oh wait now someone has given you a new excuse for not being able to win the game company won't let you whaaaaaaaa!
Yes, EVE is a good game.
What you call whining is experience. You can have as many people as you want in an alliance ... when you essentially play against the developers (friends) you cannot "win".
a) Cash .... BoD basically got a money printing machine from their dev buddies and dont have to worry as much about where the ISK for replacement parts comes as everyone else has to do. Only lately has invention and the nerf of bugged complexes cut into the seemingly endless cash supply of BoD
b) Exploits .... when BoD does it , its a feature ... when someone else does it its an exploit ... "POS bowling" exploit anyone ?!
c) Working hard / having experience .... if you think other pilots in 0.0 space work any less hard or have less experience and discipline than BoB, you are mistaken. If anything the others have to work much harder (see (a) and (b) above). But when insider knowledge leads BoD to all your safespots, hidden caches etc. (via ISD special commands .. instajump to any pilot anywhere in space), then there is little one can do. Except to start to cheat, exploit and lie as much as BoD. Which is what the Goons did. And which is STILL the wrong way to do it.
So you have NPC controlled empire and maybe low sec. 0.0 space will soon be in control of one group. which is sad for EVE at large. It already killed their Chinese EVE server.
If you belive that eve is a bias game where everyone cheats can i politely ask you to fuck off and let the rest of us who dont beleive that play and enjoy the game. This attitute of im not getting what i want so im gonan ruin the game for everyone else by doing things like posting huge amounts of vulgar porn on there forums (which many goon members did) or by making acusations of something which you knew about as being fine (the dev goining the corp was because of there petition asking for something to be sorted out) is just like a 5 year old not getting the candy he wants. Grow up and let the people who like the game play it, whilst you at it find something worthwhile to do with your life because the amount of effort you have put into this attempt to ruin a perfectly good game you could have gone out and got a job or a social life.
How naive.
Most of the people poking CCP are those that love this game more than anyone else. They know not only the candy side of EVE but also the dark hidden shadows. And they prod CCP to shine some light into these shady areas. You call it whining ... i call it making an effort to improve the game.
Yes, the Goons are not the shiny white knights of EVE and they are known for breaking/ruining MMORPGs. However, in EVE their self-documented cheating exposes areas so far only reserved for BoB (and all their buddies within CCP). And in typical Goonish ways they drag these problem areas screaming into the glaring light of the public, while BoB kept it all hush-hush within the inner circle.
Closing loopholes will only make EVE better in the long run. And will make CCP a more professional outfit than they are now. I doubt CCP managers have an idea how much favoritism and game rigging is done by their lower level employees and volunteers.
Do you want to see how "mature" the CCP employees are and how they communicate with customers in game ? Check out this screenshot (the blue name "Sharkbait" is a developer) :
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If a dev plays his own game, people think, he is cheating.
What is better? A Dev who plays his own game and knows the problems, or a dev who doesn't play his game (like many others i.e. Vanguard and SOE developers).
If you play your game, players get EVE, if you don't play your game, players get NGE EQ2 and Vanguard.
The only mistake from CCP is (I think), they let players know, who they are in-game. This can't happen! If a dev plays the game, he has to be ALWAYS anonymous to his guild/group mates. Then there are no assumptions from the regular players.
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I advise you re-read the dev report as he stated this guy has a history of doing things that are against the actions of the ISD. Also i often get petitions answed pretty quickly you know.
Also its important to not ethat you are taking his unsuported word for it again.
I think that the big issue here is that Eve is a PvP and persistent world game in which one powerful alliance has been accused of having preferential relationship with members of the developer's staff, at least one of whom was a member of that alliance. The persistent world part is a big issue -- whoever controls a region has access to its resources in ways that don't exist in most other MMORPGs. And the way that PvP works in Eve, there is effectively a strong death penalty -- you lose modules from your ship, which means ISK, even if your insurance covers the cost of a new ship.
The GoonFleet's allegations are very serious if they are true -- that the developers are essentially cheating to support one side in a war. I don't think it is really happening, but I wouldn't be so dismissive of the seriousness of the allegation if true.
This investigation is well written but wont bring players back and I for one think its useless even if it had to be done.
They had to show they take this matters seriously and they did....but its too late. The harm was done long time ago.
Some alliance at some point got an edge over the others with some GMs help. They admitted that.
They shouldve solved the problem quietly without giving much info. Bad publicity got to people.
But hey its an old game anyway... 4 years was nice as it lasted.
Personaly I look forward to Start Trek online and even Pirate of the Burning sea.
BTW, I've been called emo before, so lay off the anti-emo shit ok? People are who they are, let'em the fuck be.
It wasn’t "They" there were investigating, it was members of the company.
Ever work for a company? Im guessing not, our you would know that if some one within the company does something wrong, they are fired, and that company goes on.
You really think they would "cover up" for one member, a member of the CR staff, and risk tarnishing the company’s image and reputation, i don’t think anyone in any CR position would ever be worth that, if it lead to more profits, they would flay him in public.
Normally I would agree with this but the fact that CCP has a whopping 117 employees probably means they are a little bit closer then your aver multi-national. And that's with the assumption they are telling the truth and that the arc wasn't rigged otherwise that would include far more people.
What really got me though is that the one story I did believe (Sharkbait joined a corp to fix a bug) Is really the only thing they provided evidence against. The other evidence basically boils down to 'because we said so, it's true.' And those were in my opinion the more damaging accusations, not sharkbait. For me anyway, their proof didn't really prove anything except the one accusation in which I believed them.
You can't have a proper investigation unless a third party conducts it.
The fact remains that CCP employees and player volunteer guides have done some shady things in the past.
I stopped playing 6 months after release when a developer artist gave away a monopoly on the first T2 blueprint under questionable circumstances. There was a big stink about it and the BP and profits earned from it's production were never removed from the game. If I recall correctly they added 2 more copies and gave them out later on after being pressured about it but the damage was already done by that time. A fortune had been earned by the corporation that owned the first copy and money equals power in EVE.
Better to be a tool than a decadent mouthpiece for the goons.
You are pretty clueless making such an assine statement. Have you ever been in Iceland, do you know anything about the Icelandic people? Quite obvious you do not. They do and say what they mean. You are suggesting they are two faced and that is just not them at all. If they say they found nothing in the investigation, I believe them, that is just the way those people are.
The goons on the other hand will lie, cheat, steal, etc to achieve their aims. That has been very successfully demonstrated by this and countless other incidents.
Who are we to believe, a confirmed lyer? NO, I think we know who the tool is.
Curious, I believe ASCN used to be the richest corp in the game, at least until BoB brought them down a notch, how exactly did all that money translate into power? Oh yeah it didn't.
Personally I wish CCP would put restrictions on all the large corps, they are just bad for the game.
But all these allegations weren't even founded on smoke, let alone fire.
That sums up my thoughts on this issue, if you wanted to do a real investigation you would look outside of the company to receive an unbiased and more honest sounding report on the players issues, in house investigations are laughable at best and will rarely bring the truth to light.
"The volume and timing of these near-simultaneous references is no coincidence: we were the target of a carefully constructed and well-timed social engineering effort by one of the largest player groups in our community. The intention? To undermine EVE Online and the credibility of CCP Games."
As if they had any left.
And I love how they say "ther investigation proves all of these allegations to be false" when they're the ones being accused and the ones doing the "investigating". That's like having Congress do an investigation on how corrupt politicians are. What other possible answer COULD they give us without self-incrimination.
And I want to know what nutjob at CCP went and "counted" all of the 1046 posts on Digg.com and 235 comments on Slashdot. I mean holy crap. I'm not sure what's more unbeleiveable. The fact that there were over 5000 posts made during the course of a weekend by a small group of gamers about this single subject, or the fact that someone went and found and counted them all. What a bunch of wackos.
You probably responded before you read my second post with me saying that I've not played EVE in years as it's not my style. So I had no rose-colored glasses on and no reason to protect a game I'm playing/love. I just stated some stuff about what I read that I thought was unfair, that is all. If you read my second post in this thread, then maybe you will understand more where I was coming from and why I took the time to post on this topic as I've never posted in MMORPG's forums before though I read them daily.
But to reply to your question, yes CCP admitted prior employees doing wrong (as every gaming company has ever had as my good friend who manages hundreds of testors for a gaming company tell me) and that they took care of them. And you know there will be others that do wrong, and even maybe in this case one did something wrong, but so far I don't see the evidence of it and think CCP got bashed pretty hard for something they didn't do. But until they take geeks out of game development, there will continue to be company employees playing the same game they are developing and until Eve (the woman, not the game) comes back and gives that apple back to Adam and takes it all back, people are going to do wrong. I just don't think in this case CCP did or deserved what they got in all the forums.
I hope this clarrifies what I said.
I stopped playing ages ago, main reason was there claim to cater to all playing styles which after a long time playing decided was untrue. They dont fully cater to all playing styles but mainly to PK playing styles. I have no interest in fighting other players but can I develop the same rate as someone who does...No, and mainly because I cant go into low security areas without getting blasted by war ships while im in a mining ship, thats not PVP.
So CCP sux's in my book already this doesnt surprise me at all.
To start : EVE is a good game, one of the best on the market. But it does have problems, especially since 2007.
Point 1 :
CCP investigated itself. It does not matter what they really found, they will ALWAYS tell the public that all is well. The past has shown that their so called IA group that is supposed to stop internal abuse is a PR stunt (T20 incident anyone ?).
Point 2:
CCP is only giving details on some of the events. They dont tell the public that the true point of the recent ruckus is their way of handling things (NOT the events themselves) .. their problem with customer support. Their deleting of petitions they dont like without working on it. And that they then claim that no petition was every send in. Their rigging of in game events so that one side wins no matter how hard players work for their side ... and when it became too obvious, they pin the blame on a whistleblower that exposed the rigging.
Point 3:
CCP managers seem to have no idea what some of their junior level employees and volunteers are doing. That there is biased treatment going on, with GMs handing out insider information to buddies outside CCP. In a single shard game like EVE that has devastating consequences ( handing out "money printing machines" to only a selected part of your community is never a good idea).
Point 4 :
While I consider the Goons a plague in any MMORPG, threatening their leaders with legal action is not the way to go. And as CCP fears a normal lawsuit (which would force them to expose their inner workings as a company to outside review) they cook up some lame accusation based on art copyright infringement ..... coooooome ooooonnnnnn .... absolutely no relevance to the discussion, but a stunt devised by a clever lawyer to sew shut some player mouths without allowing someone from the outside to really investigate the evidence.
I expect better from CCP. I expect them to clean up their act !
Simple solution to this sorry affair.
CCP created a number or just one corporation for their employees only to play within.
They can then help drive the sorylines, play the game and see how it works first hand without ever having to get into the position they are now in.
No other mainstream mmo that I am aware of has suffered like CCP from internal shennanigans. I don't know of any uberguilds in other mmo's with DEV's and GM amongst their ranks. If their are I apologise but this is only what I know based on the games I have played.
Simply create a China Wall around their employees when playing and they won't have to put up with claims of favoritism and allegations of abuse. Make their employees drivers of storylines and intrigue and make the CPP corps independant from the player corps.
Perhaps even make the CCP controlled corps newbie friendly. Being taught how to play the game by the real pro's would be a great advertisment IMO. Thenonce you have a grounding in the game, they migrate you out to join any of the multitude of player run corps.
Make the game something worth playing again.
It's hardly rocket science.
Interesting response. Screenshots are interesting ... word-smiths.
Funny how there was never this kind of 'public' outing when the DEV was finally exposed as cheating for a corporation.
Problem is ... there IS no other side of the galaxy anymore. Band of Brothers capital ship superblob can reach across all 5000 systems with their cyno network. Which BTW is blatantly operated via account sharing .... an explicitely forbidden practice in EVE and a reason for banning. But this - like many other things - is known and tolerated by CCP.
So BoB and their pets can quickly move a system devastating force to any point on the map with little effort and high speed. And as EVE is a single sharded game, there is also no escape to another server. You can only move to NPC controlled empire space. If you are in 0.0 lawless space, there is no way to avoid interaction with the Band of Developers anymore.
I understand completely. Well, my response would be that BOD has already "won" the game. The only reasonable option would be to /unsub. Better yet, have the entire eve universe join BOD, that way everyone can "win".
As a sidenote, I wonder what that would be like, say 90% of the server joins BOD... oh wait that has already been done in another online game: AC with the Blood monarchy. I won't bore you with the details, let's just say that it's not much fun for the 10% that remain outside of the "uber" guild/corp.
It's sad.
I agree with a lot of posters in this thread. Eve was a game with great potential, that has been unfortunately wasted away.
If you belive that eve is a bias game where everyone cheats can i politely ask you to fuck off and let the rest of us who dont beleive that play and enjoy the game. This attitute of im not getting what i want so im gonan ruin the game for everyone else by doing things like posting huge amounts of vulgar porn on there forums (which many goon members did) or by making acusations of something which you knew about as being fine (the dev goining the corp was because of there petition asking for something to be sorted out) is just like a 5 year old not getting the candy he wants.
Grow up and let the people who like the game play it, whilst you at it find something worthwhile to do with your life because the amount of effort you have put into this attempt to ruin a perfectly good game you could have gone out and got a job or a social life.
Yes, EVE is a good game.
What you call whining is experience. You can have as many people as you want in an alliance ... when you essentially play against the developers (friends) you cannot "win".
a) Cash .... BoD basically got a money printing machine from their dev buddies and dont have to worry as much about where the ISK for replacement parts comes as everyone else has to do. Only lately has invention and the nerf of bugged complexes cut into the seemingly endless cash supply of BoD
b) Exploits .... when BoD does it , its a feature ... when someone else does it its an exploit ... "POS bowling" exploit anyone ?!
c) Working hard / having experience .... if you think other pilots in 0.0 space work any less hard or have less experience and discipline than BoB, you are mistaken. If anything the others have to work much harder (see (a) and (b) above). But when insider knowledge leads BoD to all your safespots, hidden caches etc. (via ISD special commands .. instajump to any pilot anywhere in space), then there is little one can do. Except to start to cheat, exploit and lie as much as BoD. Which is what the Goons did. And which is STILL the wrong way to do it.
So you have NPC controlled empire and maybe low sec. 0.0 space will soon be in control of one group. which is sad for EVE at large. It already killed their Chinese EVE server.
Have fun
Erillion
How naive.
Most of the people poking CCP are those that love this game more than anyone else. They know not only the candy side of EVE but also the dark hidden shadows. And they prod CCP to shine some light into these shady areas. You call it whining ... i call it making an effort to improve the game.
Yes, the Goons are not the shiny white knights of EVE and they are known for breaking/ruining MMORPGs. However, in EVE their self-documented cheating exposes areas so far only reserved for BoB (and all their buddies within CCP). And in typical Goonish ways they drag these problem areas screaming into the glaring light of the public, while BoB kept it all hush-hush within the inner circle.
Closing loopholes will only make EVE better in the long run. And will make CCP a more professional outfit than they are now. I doubt CCP managers have an idea how much favoritism and game rigging is done by their lower level employees and volunteers.
Have fun
Erillion
Do you want to see how "mature" the CCP employees are and how they communicate with customers in game ? Check out this screenshot (the blue name "Sharkbait" is a developer) :
http://www.kugutsumen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208&d=1180613876
Giving a one finger salute to your paying customers is not the best idea.
Have fun
Erillion
PS:
Alternative link http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=Eh5cMkmy5nMLye9.jpg
(first site has registration, thats true, buts its free registration. The alternative does not need registration.)