true or lie ? what u say

cosy

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Edited by: Stahlregen on 30/05/2007 07:12:36
I'm restricted from going into too much information but i can confirm that i have been personally targeted by CCP's legal team. I found out from my solicitor only a few minutes ago that thanks to recently improved relations between Iceland and my own country i am going to be extradited to stand trial.

They've charged me with several copyright infringements regarding eve related artwork and promotional videos that i have made over the last year and didn't ask CCP for permission.

Yeah, not exactly what i expected to wake up to this morning.

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this dude made alot of video http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=christianethic

khaibit

I think we need a bit more info than that. Where did you get this news from?

Arcticblue

Did read on one of the forumthreads of EVE-Online information where one of the Goonswarm was sued by CCP, he did hint that it was because of the allegations not this Copyright thing (however... CCP have a history of finding a reason to ban people in the past, thinking of Kuguts and the 2 reasons CCP banned him for... while they did not ban SirMolle even that he had broken the same EULA).

JADEDRAG0N

Originally posted by Arcticblue

Did read on one of the forumthreads of EVE-Online information where one of the Goonswarm was sued by CCP, he did hint that it was because of the allegations not this Copyright thing Proof pls lol (however... CCP have a history of finding a reason to ban people in the past, thinking of Kuguts and the 2 reasons CCP banned him for... while they did not ban SirMolle even that he had broken the same EULA).

Lol you never give up or listen.

 

When sir mole revieled details of Kug Kug was already banned from eve therefore the EULA didnt apply to him now get a clue

Agricola1

I find that statement very hard to believe. Taking him to court for using their art without permission? I mean that's like 30% of their players would be liable for court action, also I doubt you'd be extradited to Iceland for that! It'd be like if I burgaled your house in the U.S.A and escaped to England, I doubt I'm gonna get forcibly extradited to the U.S.A to stand trial! Sure I'd have to watch my back if I entered the U.S.A again but I'm not gonna have "Dog the Bounty Hunter" dragging me kicking and screaming onto the next flight to New York!

Arcticblue

Originally posted by JADEDRAG0N

Originally posted by Arcticblue

Did read on one of the forumthreads of EVE-Online information where one of the Goonswarm was sued by CCP, he did hint that it was because of the allegations not this Copyright thing Proof pls lol (however... CCP have a history of finding a reason to ban people in the past, thinking of Kuguts and the 2 reasons CCP banned him for... while they did not ban SirMolle even that he had broken the same EULA).

Lol you never give up or listen.

 

When sir mole revieled details of Kug Kug was already banned from eve therefore the EULA didnt apply to him now get a clue

I suggest you do read the EULA, I have quoted it several times and it does state that posting anything but your ingamename and close to that is illegal.



It does not matter if Kuguts was banned already, SirMolle still broke EULA by posting about Kuguts...



And I really really suggest you do read the EULA because unless you got Dev friends or are in BoB then you might get banned quickly for breaking of the EULA.



EDIT:



To make it more easy for you...

"6.7. When submitting any comments in any form to the Web Site, whether it be via chat services, bulletin board services, customer feedback email, or the like you, are solely responsible for the content of any comments you make. You agree that no comments submitted by you to the Web Site will:

 

• I violate any right of any third party, including but not limited to copyright, trademark, privacy, or other personal or proprietary rights;

   

• II be libelous or contain libelous or other otherwise unlawful, abusive, or obscene material, or constitute the misappropriation of trade secrets of any third party;

   

• III disparage the products or services of any third party; or

   

• IV contain any personal information (other than your email address or user name). "

and I ask you to note point IV... and 6.7 state... "You agree that no comments submitted by YOU to the web site will Contain any personal information (other than your email address or user name).

SirMolle was still bound by the EULA as he is still a player.

Mors.Magne

Try not to worry about the video. A judge would probably only find you guilty if you damaged CCP's profits, which I doubt it would have done.
HOWEVER:
If I were faced with an expensive and stressful court case like this (in which any victory would be very hollow) I would:
1)  Publicly apologise.
2) Write a very nice letter to CCP's boss. Tell him you apologise unreservedly. Say you've been under a lot of stress recently. Tell him you haven't got much money anyway.
Seriously mate, it's definately not worth going to court over. CCP seem like good guys fundimentally - appeal to their good side.
Take it seriously and now is not the time to get on your high horse.

Goldknyght

what does it matter? he didnt make any money from making these videos. He played he recorded his experience and eve is just doing this to keep people away from the cheaters they were helping play the game. So they do this.. ha this is dumb

Arcticblue

it definitly does look like some sort of revenge or something, does this guy have any affiliations with Goonswarm ? by any chance ?.



Ofcourse this without looking at his videos so I don't know what he aparently have "stolen"... maybe logo, parts of the official Videos from EVE... music and so on.

But lets say none of this is the thing, then maybe everyone that makes a video from EVE should fear being prosecuted...

Itsmee

Dear god cosy... are you ever and I mean ever going to post a full story rather then the dribble you post?

The post is part of the whole  "Goonfleet has quit." post because CCP has Threatend legal action against the lies and slander that Goonfleet and Something awful have started.

The post in question is nothing but another lie, by goonfleet members.. as legal action hasn't been taken yet and won't be, if goonfleet and SA stop their smear campain. 

What makes this whole affair more interesting is the latest post that has provided proof, of how much of a fabriaction of the truth goonfleet have done.. and whats more you have jumped on the bandwagon (AGAIN!!!) and have been proved wrong once again..

I guess BOB did it to make you look bad again..

TBH ... you should be asking, if goonfleets threat of quitting is real or not.. as the smart money is, they are talking rubbish again.

  

Enderghost

and the winner is ........................





The prize  BananaRepublic Online goes to EVE !!!!



Arkanor will accept the prize on behalf of  GMs / Devs / IA (The real winner of the prize)

and of course ....Hillmar  (..... nothing is possible without your toleration/covert/ .... right ?)

Mors.Magne

This thread is pure troll bait. Is it really true?

ChaoticRated

now i dont know if its true but thats just sad.... i mean a loyal player making fan arts and being sued by the company.... 1 word...wow....and here i thought making fan art is a way to lure in more players.....

Birathen

No idea if it is true or not, havent seen any threads about it anywhere else. THough CCP made threats that they were going to take legal action against those who blew the whistle a little to hard. If they had nothing to hide, there wouldnt have been any deleted threads to begin with. If they had nothing to hide, they wouldnt have answered so cryptic, neglecting many parts of the accusations. If they had nothing to hide, they wouldve delt the accusation about unfair MSN communication between developers and players instead of meeting it with a wall of silence, not even saying they are going to look into it.



They could have stopped it from reaching the forums if they had answered the petitions asking for a answere on these matters. They did not, so a open letter was posted on the forum.



If they had simply looked at the open letter and taken their time to write "Thanks for bringing this to our attention, we will look into it. Please wait a day or two and while we investigate." Nothing of this would've ever occured. The threadnaught wouldve still been there prolly, but smaller and less powerful, there wouldnt have been any need to bring it to other medias such as Slashdot(or whatever it is called) and CCP would have looked awfully good without all that effort to cover it up in the beginning/mid/end.



CCP have nobody but themselves to blame for this. They have brought this upon themselves befor and continue to refuse to learn from their misstakes.



If they decide to bring legal actions onto the gaming table they are truley asking to be hit with the doomsday device.

Yitrobiatch

This is the most absurd thing I have read so far in this whole debacle. This guy is going to be extradited for copyright infringement?



Doesnt that strike anyone as ridiculous? That a country would extradite someone for making non profit videogame fan films?

Taram

LOL

This is absolute hogwash

Not only would no country extradite someone over a peasly measly copyrite infringement no corporation would bother with the costs involved.



I call BS.

Nicoli

Originally posted by Yitrobiatch

This is the most absurd thing I have read so far in this whole debacle. This guy is going to be extradited for copyright infringement?



Doesnt that strike anyone as ridiculous? That a country would extradite someone for making non profit videogame fan films?

I HIGHLY doubt that this is the only reason he is getting extradited if it is true. I would guess that this would be "extra stuff" added on to a possible lawsuit as it could be. Technically if you post anything using somebody's material you need to ask permission first even if your not using it for profit.

Publish6246

Right................. people make videos of the games they play all the time, if it is true then CCP have no case lol but it isn't true...

cosy

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Originally by: CCP ArkanonThe allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.

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seams CCP will make the step
(sry for the late reply)

adriaans

lie





stop quoting and provide linki'es!





ohh and, anyone else noticed its a goon?

cosy

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Originally posted by adriaans
lie
stop quoting and provide linki'es!
ohh and, anyone else noticed its a goon?

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is in the last IA dev blog "A investigation update: Three investigations concluded"

http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/devblog.asp

adriaans

Originally posted by cosy


 

Originally posted by adriaans

lie


stop quoting and provide linki'es!


ohh and, anyone else noticed its a goon?

is in the last IA dev blog "A investigation update: Three investigations concluded"

http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/devblog.asp

 

funny how i don't seem to see the quotes you are supposedly posting...i read through the blogs an such daily..or am i just blind right now

Zeroxin

Where's the 'I dont know what to think' option?

gretemike

First of all I am a real life attorney practicing in the United States.

Countries extradite for crimes, not for civil matters.  The mere idea that Iceland would seek extradition of someone in England based on a defamation claim and/or a breach of contract/copyright is silly.  CCP has an office in England, and I'm sure they'd just hire an attorney there to pursue a civil action there, if they felt it was warranted.

Second, regarding defamation claims:  there is a United States Supreme Court case called New York Times v. Sullivan which practically allows people to say virtually anything about a "public figure," regardless of whether it is true or false.  There is a policy rationale for that seemingly senseless ruling, which I'm not going to explain in this space.  You can Google it if you are really curious, or look it up at findlaw.com.  CCP would clearly qualify as a "public figure," (that status can be granted to individuals or entities) particularly given the recent T20 revelations which put them squarely in the news. 

So why does an American court case matter to this Icelandic company?  50% of Eve players are Americans, and CCP wouldn't have a prayer filing any kind of defamation action against them.  Plus, I doubt CCP would want to anyway, you start suing your customers and then your customers may well decide that they don't want to pay your legal fees.  The whole thing just doesn't pass the smell test - it stinks of a lie.

Instead of talking about defamation, etc., we ought to be squarely discussing the issues presented by Goonfleet and others.

Here's the Eve map, the "Empire Space" in the middle is territory that cannot be captured by players.  The 0.0 space which can be captured is on the periphery of the map.  You will notice that the light blue territory, which now controls over half of 0.0, represents BoB and it's allies.  BoB, you will recall, is the alliance that benefitted from T20's cheating.

www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg

Now, here is a link to T20's cheating confession:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424

Okay, you will note that T20 states that he supplied BoB with cheated (and necessarily traceable) T2 BPOs, but he never provided them with "information they otherwise would not have" (which was by definition not traceable).

Therein lies the source of the recent loss of trust by CCP.  T20 cheated for the team that is rapidly defeating all of 0.0 space.  His confession contained a claim that just isn't credible (he provided traceable T2 BPOs but not information), which reasonably brings into question the rest of the claims in his confession regarding the scope of his cheating.  THAT is why so many customers are ticked off.

It does no good to claim that disgruntled players are engaging in "tin hattery," etc.  What T20 did was not forgivable, and has given rise to reasonable suspicions that his participation in BoB and BoB's tremendous in-game successes are NOT coincidence.  Furthermore, BoB opponents are demoralized by these allegations while BoB and their allies can enjoy virtually unlimited recruitment if they wish it (I mean, what other alliance can claim to have had a dev cheating for them?), thereby further skewing the playing field in favor of BoB.

Efforts to cast people like myself as "tin hatters" or defamers are merely transparent, poor attempts to avoid discussing the above-mentioned facts.  In my opinion, if BoB succeeds and dominates 0.0, a LOT of players will stop paying for Eve and the entire game may become financially untenable.  Many players have invested years in this game and the idea of such a thing evokes strong emotional reactions resulting in personal attacks.  Nevertheless, the real issues will continue to be revealed and debated.

cosy

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Originally posted by adriaans

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Originally posted by cosy

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Originally posted by adriaans
lie

stop quoting and provide linki'es!

ohh and, anyone else noticed its a goon?

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is in the last IA dev blog "A investigation update: Three investigations concluded"
http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/devblog.asp

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funny how i don't seem to see the quotes you are supposedly posting...i read through the blogs an such daily..or am i just blind right now

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is between About the Accusations and Accusers and Internal Affairs and CCP
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