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Why this game will be better than WoW (imho)

First of all, allow me to clarify my meaning in saying this.  I
don't think that anything can compare to WoW in a number of significant
ways, and that includes this game.  I think WoW has established
and respected instances, a huge player base, now simple pvp, numerous
ways to gear up, and huge amounts of content.  Since these things
are very diffictult to compare to, both in the sense that almost
nothing could compare to WoW in them and that it would be difficult to
do the comparing, my idea would be instead to make a number of
statements about what I value in each game and compare.  The
settings, I think, give LOTRO a huge advantage.  Lord of the Rings
is an established license which, by all indications, Turbine is staying
very true to, even to the extent of possibly hurting it's success,
although I personally believe the real proof of success is the
closeness to the material.  WoW is, in my opinion after a 60th and
40th level character, an absurd, crappy, and poorly done setting. 
Most of the zones were implausible, random, and very forced, with what
struck me as poor raid design (not in the sense of not being fun but in
the sense of being inconvinient and obnoxious) and it fails to stay
even remotely close to it's subject material.  I have been an avid
warcrafter since Warcraft 1, and WoW is simply too out of sync with any
of the previous games to claim it is the successor.  WoW also has
(pve)  battles that are very difficult, for me anyway, to enjoy
because they are either a pointless show of force by the numerically
greater side, or 40 people attacking a single target that appears very
unmenacing except that it has it's own name.  The attacks are like
watching a crappy fireworks show, with a variety of implausible colors
and unrealistic effects.  Naturally, what I am hoping for as an
alternative to this is a system that relies on realistic graphics and
archers taking the roles of mages in WoW, with realistic shot effects,
and a system that instead of trying to invent tons of weird characters
that I could write better locations, stories, and appearences for,
simply puts a cave troll in front of you, (hopefully triggering a
memory of a scene in FoTR) and forces you to fight for your life. 
Obviously, there are many points against what I am saying, and I hope
to hear someone address what I am saying; I am at this point planning
on getting LOTRO, and the only thing that would deter me is my fellow
player base.  Please respond if you think I am looking at
something wrong.
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  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    lol

    1. Any game is better than WoW.

    2. You don't know anything about the game yet but a few screenshots and some biased beta journals. Reserve your judgement until you either play the game yourself or the NDA is released and you can ask the beta testers what they think of the game. Until then, you're no more qualified than anyone else that only knows rumors to make a judgement on whether this game will be good or not.



  • SealcowSealcow Member Posts: 10
    Fair enough, I'll wait.


  • IIRLIIRL Member Posts: 876

    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. Any game is better than WoW.


    In my opinion... You should try add that line or you'll come off as a fool, if you think that's a true objective comparison, cudos to your intelligence then.

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  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318

    Originally posted by IIRL
    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. Any game is better than WoW.

    In my opinion... You should try add that line or you'll come off as a fool, if you think that's a true objective comparison, cudos to your intelligence then.

    I've played 6 online games, including WoW. It IS a true objective comparison. WoW sucks. It's the lowest common denominator of games and is generally the introductory online game that lead people to realize there are better games out there.


  • RK-MaraRK-Mara Member Posts: 641
    Moirae, 6 online game isn't actually much.

    WoW isn't a great game, but it doesn't totally suck. There's many much worse games than WoW. But there's so many much better games too.



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  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Moirae

    I've played 6 online games, including WoW. It IS a true objective comparison. WoW sucks. It's the lowest common denominator of games and is generally the introductory online game that lead people to realize there are better games out there.





    1. There are many online games. PS2 has online games. Xbox has online games. Im sure your talking about MMOs though eh?

    2. 6 MMOs is not alot at all.

    3. Opinion

    4. You also said any game is better than WoW. So, your saying you rather play Toon-Town instead of WoW? lmao

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  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    Squall, I'm getting very tired of arguing with you.


  • xaussxauss Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 384



    Originally posted by Squall15

    4. You also said any game is better than WoW. So, your saying you rather play Toon-Town instead of WoW? lmao

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    WoW is toon-town

    it does what it does very well and deserves success - its just it doesnt do very much for many discerning gamers

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  • ValharanValharan Member Posts: 190



    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. In my humble, limited, unrespected and overly arrogant opinion.  Any game is better than WoW.

    2. You don't know anything about the game yet but a few screenshots and some biased beta journals. Reserve your judgement until you either play the game yourself or the NDA is released and you can ask the beta testers what they think of the game. Until then, you're no more qualified than anyone else that only knows rumors to make a judgement on whether this game will be good or not.




    There you go I fixed that for you.

     

    P.S. I'm not a fan boy but just from having read a few of your threads I would venture that you know less than most folks on the forums that I have seen.

  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Moirae
    Squall, I'm getting very tired of arguing with you.



    Since when have we argued before? I dont remember seeing you on any other topics, but as for this topic im just expressing what i think in facts or opinions. If you cant handle others opinions, then i would suggest staying away from most topics.

    I was not trying to insult you in anyway, nor was i trying to be offensive towards you.

  • CerionCerion Member Posts: 1,005



    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. Any game is better than WoW.




    Mostly true. WoW is probably better than Runescape.  image And lest the WoWnistas ambush me as well, I've played over 17 MMOGs.  Now some of you will still say that's not a lot of games to play because saying that serves your arguement, and in no way reflects the reality.

    Plain and simple, WoW is Gerber baby food for those who do not have their MMO teeth yet.

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  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318

    Originally posted by Cerion
    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. Any game is better than WoW.


    Mostly true. WoW is probably better than Runescape.  image And lest the WoWnistas ambush me as well, I've played over 17 MMOGs.  Now some of you will still say that's not a lot of games to play because saying that serves your arguement, and in no way reflects the reality.

    Plain and simple, WoW is Gerber baby food for those who do not have their MMO teeth yet.


    Well said.


  • SealcowSealcow Member Posts: 10
    First of all, just in case thats what it was, don't ever mock the
    Sandinistas, they have a spectacular record and any disliking of them
    comes from ignorance, no offense meant.  Regardless, my overall
    point was that LOTRO has an established license which it seems to be
    true to and WoW is a bunch of people making stuff up.  Above all,
    thats what I want people to read here.  Thank you.


  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318

    Originally posted by Valharan
    Originally posted by Moirae
    lol

    1. In my humble, limited, unrespected and overly arrogant opinion.  Any game is better than WoW.

    2. You don't know anything about the game yet but a few screenshots and some biased beta journals. Reserve your judgement until you either play the game yourself or the NDA is released and you can ask the beta testers what they think of the game. Until then, you're no more qualified than anyone else that only knows rumors to make a judgement on whether this game will be good or not.


    There you go I fixed that for you.

     

    P.S. I'm not a fan boy but just from having read a few of your threads I would venture that you know less than most folks on the forums that I have seen.


    Reported for insults.

    Grow up little boy. Time for you to get rid of the soother in your mouth.


  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Moirae

    Reported because I have nothing better to do.

    I need to grow up and get a life.




    fixed.
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    You're reported too squall. It's now become harassment because you two have decided to gang up on me. :) You dig your own hole.


  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Moirae
    You're reported too squall. It's now become harassment because you two have decided to gang up on me. :) You dig your own hole.


    Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
  • sly220sly220 Member UncommonPosts: 606
     

    Im sorry but i have to ask Moirae Pls dont feel like im picking on you and well I suppose press that report button for a simple question. however if you do thats up to you. Okay ready hear me out. image

    How do you report some one for insults then no more maby a second later put "Grow up little boy. Time for you to get rid of the soother in your mouth." image

    So your insult is okay but him fixing your post and insulting you was not okay? im sorry but seems alittle odd to me you? image

    Sorry had to ask hehe

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  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by sly220

     

    Im sorry but i have to ask Moirae Pls dont feel like im picking on you and well I suppose press that report button for a simple question. however if you do thats up to you. Okay ready hear me out. image

    How do you report some one for insults then no more maby a second later put "Grow up little boy. Time for you to get rid of the soother in your mouth." image

    So your insult is okay but him fixing your post and insulting you was not okay? im sorry but seems alittle odd to me you? image

    Sorry had to ask hehe




    /agree
  • ValharanValharan Member Posts: 190




    Originally posted by Moirae

    Reported for insults.

    Grow up little boy. Time for you to get rid of the soother in your mouth.




    Now tell me what was insulting? Is what you wrote your opinion? Yes ok fact not insult. Is what you wrote limited by your gaming experience? Yes ok fact #2 becauase no matter how many games you play you will never play them all and thus your opinion is based on your limited experience. Are you well respected? No well I don't have any respect for you and I would hazard most people around here don't either so.... Fact. Your tone is overly arrogant and you treat people poorly, I'm making an observation on a character trait you have displayed not insulting you personally.

     

    On the other hand if I had said something like "You are a worthless sub-human, knuckle dragging trogolodyte without the common sense to realize your mouth breathing gutter snipe antics only serve to point out the vacume between your ears" that would have been an insult. But of course I would never say anything like that its just inappropriate.

  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Valharan

    Now tell me what was insulting? Is what you wrote your opinion? Yes ok fact not insult. Is what you wrote limited by your gaming experience? Yes ok fact #2 becauase no matter how many games you play you will never play them all and thus your opinion is based on your limited experience. Are you well respected? No well I don't have any respect for you and I would hazard most people around here don't either so.... Fact. Your tone is overly arrogant and you treat people poorly, I'm making an observation on a character trait you have displayed not insulting you personally.
     
    On the other hand if I had said something like "You are a worthless sub-human, knuckle dragging trogolodyte without the common sense to realize your mouth breathing gutter snipe antics only serve to point out the vacume between your ears" that would have been an insult. But of course I would never say anything like that its just inappropriate.




    again I /agree

     

  • Distortion0Distortion0 Member Posts: 668



    Originally posted by Squall15






    Originally posted by Moirae
    I've played 6 online games, including WoW. It IS a true objective comparison. WoW sucks. It's the lowest common denominator of games and is generally the introductory online game that lead people to realize there are better games out there.





    1. There are many online games. PS2 has online games. Xbox has online games. Im sure your talking about MMOs though eh?

    2. 6 MMOs is not alot at all.

    3. Opinion

    4. You also said any game is better than WoW. So, your saying you rather play Toon-Town instead of WoW? lmao

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    Are you kidding!? Toontown>>>WoW! In WoW you just spam random buttons. In TT you actually have to make concious decisions about combate. Like Squirt Guns are more accurate than Pies, so if you keep missing you can change tactics to try and help yourself out. The quests are much better written too and TT's raids are a hell of a lot nicer/more fun than WoW's. It's not just throw 13390820492 mobs at you and then have you fight a cinder block monster with a special character model.

    And in TT's bizare PvP, you level doesn't mean anything. As far as I'm concerned that putts it way above WoW. I can actually compete with other players instead of getting ganked. Getting pwned actually has to do with how good you are at tag and not how many hours you can devote to the game.

    Oh yeah: HOUSING FTW!

  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,614

    An established IP means does not guarantee a successful MMO.  If that were true then SWG, MXO, and DDO would have twice the customers of WoW.


  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155



    Originally posted by achesoma

    An established IP means does not guarantee a successful MMO.  If that were true then SWG, MXO, and DDO would have twice the customers of WoW.



    And funny enough, all those games are mediocre successes at best, if not toal crapfests.

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  • Squall15Squall15 Member Posts: 454



    Originally posted by Distortion0
    Are you kidding!? Toontown>>>WoW! In WoW you just spam random buttons. In TT you actually have to make concious decisions about combate. Like Squirt Guns are more accurate than Pies, so if you keep missing you can change tactics to try and help yourself out. The quests are much better written too and TT's raids are a hell of a lot nicer/more fun than WoW's. It's not just throw 13390820492 mobs at you and then have you fight a cinder block monster with a special character model.
    And in TT's bizare PvP, you level doesn't mean anything. As far as I'm concerned that putts it way above WoW. I can actually compete with other players instead of getting ganked. Getting pwned actually has to do with how good you are at tag and not how many hours you can devote to the game.
    Oh yeah: HOUSING FTW!



    long live Toon-Town image
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