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Originally posted by Kurgen I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT better, especially with this license.What a letdown.
Originally posted by Soju In my honest opinon, it's a total let down. The graphics are below current standards. I just think some other company should have gotten this title. I have little faith in Turbine. It's a shame that one company is going to be allowed to ruin both D&D and LOTR.
Originally posted by Trand Originally posted by Kurgen I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT better, especially with this license.What a letdown.
Originally posted by Kurgen Originally posted by Trand Originally posted by Kurgen I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT better, especially with this license.What a letdown.
I too know of people in LOTRO beta and have seen it being played. I've also played open beta Vanguard.
From both those sources of experience, I have to say...
LOTRO is the better of the two.
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Originally posted by quietwolfOriginally posted by Kurgen Originally posted by Trand Originally posted by Kurgen I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT better, especially with this license.What a letdown.
Going back to the original thread these games are radically different in approach. I am playing Vanguard and enjoying it but then again I loved EQ1 and M59 and other old school MMO games. Vanguard is what I suspect the real evolution of EQ should have been. LOTR is under NDA for Beta so I can't say much other then it is great but very, very different the Vanguard. I will be playing both until Conan comes around then I will make a decision on which to stick with after that.
Vanguard is deep and a little hardcore but really great. Graphics are solid and the game has LOTS of choices in regards to characters. The different regions have a distinct feel to them so while playing a Ranger in one area is technically the same the race and region do make it feel different. The world is huge and conceptually this is a great game to develop a true heroic character in. We shall see as (post beta) I am not that high level yet.
Originally posted by Jackdog I think that this topic would be better addressed when LoTRO is in open beta or released. Right now all we can do is speculate about LoTRO. Screen shots could be deceptive and game play is what really counts. Right now we know that Vanguard is not all that but anything about LoTRO is either speculation, or just someone talking out their butt wanting us to think they are/were in beta. I am sure neither game will be for everyone since no game or game play style will satisfy everyone.
I have to agree. This will be a much better topic once NDA is lifted and more people are allowed to form their own opinions in the Open Beta.
As a inane comment from a jaded MMO player, I have no expectations of a game except what is placed before me. I have been let down to many times by hype or otherwise to say whether a particular game will hit a cord with me or not. I have not been impressed with an MMO since DAoC but my tastes are not everyones. If you enjoy Vanguard go play it and be happy, if you think you will enjoy LOTRO give it shot and be happy. I fail to understand the concept of how constant Game X > Game Y serves any purpose other than to cause Flame Wars.
OP- I understand that you are doing research to see which game you might like to go to. But my best advice honestly is to try both if you are able and pick the one that is right for you. Most games have free trials or pre-order open beta, use them to form your own opinion.
They are two totally different games, with different playstyle. I find that LOTRO has far superior graphics than Vanguard, and that Vanguard combat is weak. Vanguard has a huge world to explore and grind in and has more races to choose from. Flying mounts are cool and LOTRO does not offer that. I like Lotro better, but I have been hooked on Tolkien ever since I read the books 20 some years ago. Monster play is also a fun path to follow in LOTRO.
I cancelled my sub to Vanguard for it's 2 cents worth. I think you should try them both and decide for yourself which is better suited to your playstyle. LOTRO will be open beta soon.
Well, I've played Vanguard and am enjoying it to death. My biggest draw is the size of the world - not just empty space, though. It's fully detailed and populated.
Reading the official FAQs on Turbine's LOTRO site I see they say the world - the ENTIRE world - is only 50,000,000 square meters. That's a box 7Km on a side, or - for the Vanguard players - 12.5 chunks (a chunk in Vanguard is 2 x 2 Km. There are HUNDREDS in the game world.
DDO lost me because of it's limited size and zoning (among other things). LOTRO won't be attempted by me because of its limited size, unless something comes out (perhaps after the NDA's lifted) that REALLY impresses me.
Vanguard knocked my socks off since day one (in since beta 4). It comes closest of any game so far to deliver everything I've looked for in a MMO. It's the ONLY game of any kind I've ever been impressed enough with that I preordered it.
First before i address your long winded post. Your whole Short-medium game of life ... is a joke. How long the game lasts depends on how the devs expand it post launch. your whole "the combat makes you think" bussiness is also rather funny, serious. Vanguard is some bush league crap... it shouldnt even be released. The game has some of the worst animations that i have EVER seen in ANY game i have EVER played... hope this point gets across... The combat system is by far, one of the worst systems i have EVER seen in ANY rpg... I mean sht man, you might as well just stand there and roll dice.
Now to be honest, I am a FFXI player and i am not a fan of either SoH or Lotor... but i will say this, Lotor is polished and that alone makes it better then this heap of .... well w/e
Originally posted by tomfred81 This is an excellent question, one that i myself was wrestling with a month ago-which game would I play? LOTRO or Vanguard Saga of Heroes? And here is the answer: LOTRO doesnt have much that Vanguard doesnt-its really the other way around. Vanguard has tons that LOTRO doesn't...allow me to elaborateLOTRO Vanguard Saga of Heroeswell followed story and lore, die hard fans new make believe world, die hard EQ fans4 races 19 races7 classes 15 classes1 continent 3 continentsbig world enormous world-biggest evershort-medium game lifespan 7 years of planned contentdie-durability penalty die, have to retrieve your corpsebutton mashing combat combat system that will require thinkingfast travel intervals of fast travel, but mostly on your ownno mounts at launch mounts at lvl 10, better mounts as u progressagain no mounts at launch flying mounts you can direct and fly anywhereagain, just walking and fast travel can craft and own boats (can name them too)no player housing player housing at launch (can sell wares in home)instanced seamless world, can go anywhere u can seedifferent PvP-monster play straightforward PvP, but offer PvE servers tooeasier gameplay challenging gameplay, harder for a noobcrafting system as well as adventuring spheres of adventuring, crafting, & diplomacyaverage character creation many features to make your character uniqueGosh, and this is just off the top of my head. Lets just say from what I've "seen" of LOTRO over the last month I will not be playing LOTRO at launch. Even looking at ebay last week, LOTRO beta keys were goin for like $40 and Vanguard beta keys for like $200 a shot and they had been bid on multiple times...im not even kidding. Tells you something right there. Vanguard is the game that I am going to invest my time and money in. Preordered it from GameSpot the other day.
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Well VG and LotRO have different styles of gameplay. Vanguard is more the traditional mmorpg that you are used to (ie. High Fantasy). I give Turbine credit for adhering to the storyline. LotRO is limited by the nature of its story., whereas VG can do anything it wants. Basically, I think if you like to play WoW, you will really like LotRO. If you absolutely hate WoW, then VG is your cup of tea. Be advised though, to play VG will require an uber system. Not so with LotRO.
No worries, LotRO will be out soon.....
I did beta for both, and I have to say from a sheer enjoyment standpoint LOTRO was quite lovely and grabbed my attention almost immediately. Vanguard seemed somehow 'lifeless' if you can pardon the obvious pun. Granted, a beta isn't standard play, but even so the LOTRO beta had more people interacting with one another than in Vanguard.
The graphics/system/optimization issues with Vanguard, as everyone has previously noted, will really hinder its ability to be marketable to the masses. LOTRO, visually, was quite striking. I'm not sure why some people have denigrated that graphics of that game.. and a player can actually enjoy the visuals without the slide-show effect I had with Vanguard (yes it was beta but the difference between the two is astronomical - and I have a pretty powerful system I use for music production).
The lore that each is based upon is different, and I do think the games will appeal to different demographics. But I'm wondering if everyone is over-intellectualizing this whole issue; frankly, people will play games that are fun, are visually appealing, and that run well on their systems - this describes LOTRO at the moment and not Vanguard.
Originally posted by antiXa Yeh I just bought Vanguard and its not really as good as the hype was meant to be makes me kinda lose my faith in Pre-Order
I miss DAoC
Originally posted by maguskwt I think if i were the dev I would've made the timeline of the game after the events of LOTR...then you don't have to be fixed to an existing story but at the same time make use of the lore of LOTR
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