As I can´t figure out how to paste a text here I want to invite all new Players to follow this Link to the Ryzom Forums and read what I´ve postet there for your benefit .
Regards MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
I´m with Ryzom since shortly after release and I´m a casual, strongly RP-Player, wich is reflected in my highest Levels atm being 231 in offensive Magic and 202 in defensive, and 176 in 2 Handed Melee. All else are way below 150.
Yeah, two years of play and no 250.
And yes, I´m not even from your server. Thank you, let´s move on.
(And forgive me if my spelling´s not always correct. )
The reason why I write this letter to you is that I do see many new Players come and sadly take offense at one or the other part of the game and go again.
I simply can´t stand idly by and watch you go.
This will not be a rant as of the likes we heard so much of in the last days:
"Go back to where you came from."
NO!
I invite you to stay and share the wonders of this beautyful world with me.
I notcied that many of you try to compare this game to whatever game they´ve played before.
That´s allright and you´re perfectly entitled to do that. I´m sure it may even help in some ways.
But, and here´s the catchy part, repeated in short and even less kind words all over this forums, Ryzom is very, very, very hard to compare to other games.
Why?
Let me try and help you.
1. Ryzom´s a Sandbox-Kind-of-Game.
Most Games out there, wich we´re all used to and got to love in their own way, take you by the hand and lead you through themselves, by giving you Quests and so called Timesinks. They´ve got preset Roles, wich you may identify with and act the part if you´re so inclined, or wich you may completely ignore.
Ryzom´s gameplay does not realy focus on these things.
In Ryzom the old Zen saying: "The opstacle is the path." rings very true.
By subscribing to Ryzom a player steps of the beaten pathways of other MMO´s into uncharted territory. A wilderness in wich each player is responsible for his/her own actions and his/her own part in the World wich contains Atys. You may choose to be whatever you want.
You just have to act the part.
While this may be hard on the imagination for the unexperienced, it´s rewarding in its own way and its a legitimate way of playing any game.
MMORPGs evolved from "old fashined" Pen&Paper RPGs and a ROLE PLAYING GAME can be much, much more than just having letters state "Warlock" or "Master of Pain" over your head.
In fact they are much more.
They´re mental workout.
And I invite you to try and flex your brain a bit with all of us.
2. Ryzom´s got Invasion.
Some of you complain about the Invasion "ruining their gameplay".
Let me ask you:
How can something that, as announced lasts for only a few days, ruin your gameplay?
While I see your reasoning in other threads I fail to see a real impact or sigificance to any of them if I take into account that
a. The Event lasts only a very limited amount of time
b. It´s a chance to do something else then grind.
These Invasions are part and parcel, bread and water, flesh and bone to Ryzom. Ryzom has got a rich background that the developers constantly try to inplement into the actual gameplay itself.
One part of that background is that the Homins were driven out of their old habitats by the invading Kitin and are now trying to "rebuild their future" in a new part of the world. Like in a pretty popular movie the survival of Homin-/Human-kind depends on it´s ability to defend itself from the invading bugs.
Would you like to know more?
I quessed so.
The Kitin are hellbent on the destruction of all Homins and will infrequently invade the known lands to reach their goal and annihilate all sentient beings on Atys bark.
Invasions now are your chance to participate in history. And history, as is well known, takes a long time in the making. So please don´t expect "the Saga" to be over in a few days or even month.
Even if you are not level 150 in any branch of the skilltree you will be able to help.
I invite you now to step over your shadow and team up with other Homins sharing your goal.
Wich brings us to another point.
3. Ryzom is Teamplay
While this may realy be a tricky part of my reasoning I see no actual problem with temporarily teaming up with a few other players to eradicate the bugs in a certain area. Ok, some of you may realy, realy, realy like the "Lone Wolf" approach and Solo all the way to 250. All these guys and girls have my uttermost respect if they manage to reach this lofty goal.
But only if they are able to think outside their box for a moment.
A german Commedian said it best, as he said:
"Take for example Hercules. - This Hero was said to be "as strong as 10 grown men." - So why didn´t 11 Guys team up on him and beat the living S**t out of him?!"
These Kitin now are stronger that your avarage mob. They attack in teams of 3 if you´re not so dump and run right into the middle of the swarm. And the same is true for all other mobs, except that they´re not that strong and present.
So, why don´t at least 4 of you guys team up and beat the buggers to a pulp? A Team may contain up to 9, y´know?
And I invite you to help us be a part of history in the making!
Play with us, not against us and thereby against yourself.
Another Point is
4. Ryzom´s got community
While in the last few days some of us may have gotten their nerves laid bare and reacted in a false and harsh way, the international community of Ryzom is by far one of the best many of us have ever experienced in our "MMO-Carreer".
Most old players are helpful and mindful of others and especialy "younger Homins" and are eager to help you find your niche in the World of Atys.
In the last few weeks many of us have become frustrated with the way some of you new Players act on these fourms and Ingame, wich is only understandable and I beg you to leave us oldies a bit of leeway in that.
Many of you seem to be younger than the avarage player of Ryzom so far and many of you seem to stem from communitys that are by far below a civil way of behaviour. It´s truly sad that you were forced to get used to insults and general abuse on other forums.
But please don´t make the mistake of expecting the same from us and acting in your "usual" way. Even if some of us may get a little cranky sometimes, we ultimately try to be nice and friendly and helpful to all other players.
Even if they are of another faction.
Because after all we´re all just fellow humans sitting in front of a Computerscreen acting out of a mutual interest in playing a certain game.
Acting in a friendly and civil manner will most of the time get you by far better then just using insults and 733T-Speech.
If you take your time to realy consider your answer, or the way you open a post on here, I´m sure you´ll see that there are other ways to express what you think then just heaping abuse on the Game and the Community.
Same goes for many an old player in regards to new ones.
Please think before you write. Don´t abuse the new Players. Try to help them!!!
I´ve forced myself to do it and I´m proud of managing it!!
So I invite you to be friendly and have Fun with us.
5. Ryzom isn´t E-Sport!
Even if 250 in each and every single branch of the skilltree may seem a particular juicy bone for some to grab, Ryzom isn´t about that. And its system almost always prevents that. Unless you team up with likeminded individuals.
It´s a legitimate, but shallow way of playing any game. If you want to grind, then do it. It´s Ok and not everyone realy is into RP. No problem.
But I assure you that you´re missing at least 50% of the fun any MMO-RPG can be. The RPG part.
So I invite you to share a pint of Ale and a tale in a nice tavern somewhere on Atys with us, or share the glory of defeating the Kitin.
6. Ryzom´s got no real "Endgame"
Again the Zen quote mentioned before is very fitting here.
"The opstacle is the path."
Reaching a certain level, reaching a certain area, exploring the huuuge world, finding new things and learning new "Player-Skills" is the "Endgame".
I refere as Player-Skills to things like sneaking, or advanced forraging,or advanced crafting.
Being able to sneak from point A to point B, through Aggro invested lands is a Skill not provided by the Game.
Having a feeling for the right time to hit that careplan on the source you forage to not let it explode in your face, is a skill not provided by the game.
Finding the right recipes for good Gear is not a Skill provided by the game.
These and others are things you´ll have to learn for yourself.
You certainly need patience and practice to accomblish these.
There is no other way to get these "Skills", then maybe have a nice Homin explain or show them to you.
So I invite you to learn from us and with us.
7. Ryzom´s got no Instances.
As of yet, with the Kitin Lair banging on the door, so to speak.
Ryzom´s got areas that are a challenge by themself.
Kitin Mounds and higher-Level Lands are there for the taking.
You just have to be strong, or clever enough to get them. And not all of them are 250.
Again: "The opstacle is the path."
I invite you to follow this path with us.
8. Ryzom´s got a Staff that cares!
Whilst some of us old farts may disagree and maybe be even correct in regards of response time by Nevrax as a Developer, the Hands on Game Support Staff is the best in the Industry.
A little known fact for most new players is that all so called CSRs (Customer Service Represetatives) are volunteers.
Only the real GMs such as Soulsnatcher, Shadowee, Chule, Boarr, Kadael and some more are paid Workes for Jolt/Nevrax.
So Senior Guides and Guides are Players that want to help you get a good experience out of the game and most of them are working their asses of to do so. They sacrifice their own playing time to help you. And for nothing more then a few nice words and the ability to help you.
So please give them the respect they deserve and give them credit where it´s due, because as volunteer Players they may not know much more then you about a new Bug that suddelny sprang up out of the dark depth of the code-caverns. They´ve certainly got to follow a chain of command and will do so to your certain benefit.
So I invite you to bow to the Support Staff. /tar GMs&CSRs /bow
EDIT:
9. Ryzom´s hard to solo.
As unfortunate as it may seem to some of you Ryzom is HARD to solo.
But it´s not impossible at all. You just have to put a bit more of an effort in it then in other games.
A very important "Player Skill" here is sneaking.
Being able to sneak past too large aggros is essential.
Also is the ability to judge wich MOB to single out of a Pak or Herd. It IS possible.
Also, learn wich Mobs are agrro and/or social, either by asking or by dying.
You may solo but you have to be up to it. And be prepared for a hard time.
I invite you to rise to the challenge!!
So Ryzom does not have many of the things you may have enjoyed in other games.
Some of you may see this as a failure, but for one final time let me invite you to try and step of the beaten path.
Try something different. Look at a new world with Eyes freed of the dust of others.
Look at Atys as a challenge, not some thing to "ruin your Gameplay."
Your Gameplay is what you make of it.
Not what the Game provides.
Another Zen Quote states that: "Weeds only grow when we dislike them."
Wich to me means,
"Only what we regard as bad, realy is bad. We should look at it from another point of view and see the beauty inherent in it."
Maybe you come to another conclusion for yourself but then let me invite you one last time to decide wich kind of new Player YOU want to be:
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
very nice post. i played ryzom on two seperate occasions and what really turned me off was the lack of other players. i also felt and still do i suppose that there needed to be more politics and conflict between the different races and between guilds. perhaps what im asking for is more pvp but im not sure. the game is a marvelous creation and i highly recommend people to try it.
edit: also while i absolutely loved the crafting and foraging system in ryzom (which is still the best i have found even after playing EVE and preCU swg) i wish the economy was more dynamic to reflect the intricacies of the crafting.
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Well Fade, then you should join up again now. Since the Outposts there´s so much "politicing" that it´s almost too much. And the economiy is pretty OK since Beta. Only thing is most people rather barter with materials then pay dappers.
CU Acridiel / MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
I have just started playng Ryzom. Looks promising, only thing is that it seems like there aren't much players online. Think i'll play for a day more before i subscribe.
Originally posted by Forconin I have just started playng Ryzom. Looks promising, only thing is that it seems like there aren't much players online. Think i'll play for a day more before i subscribe.
Wich Server are you on? And in wich Timezone? "Cho" is a brandnew Server and so all people there are rather small in levels and have some "issues" with the current Invasion Event, even after it´s been toned down *sigh* "Arispotle" should be more populated by far unless you happen to play in an unfortuante timezone. Look up the Main Forums for some more Info.
CU MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
Nice post MaDSaM. I can see where people might say that you're wasting your time, but I disagree. I have played a lot of MMOs, for about 10 years now. I've just recently started SoR, only been playing a day. But I did play a trial of it when it first launched. Maybe it was an open beta, I don't remember. I play lots of trials of MMOs, and when you do that you have to be very careful.
You have to be aware of what you're looking for in testing out free trials, and open betas when it comes to MMO.
You've got to be aware of what you are looking for and what you really want in an MMO. I played WoW, I liked WoW, I think it's a really accomplished and great game. I don't wanna play WoW anymore, ever again. I've moved on from that. My free time is becoming less existent, and therefore more valuable. I've played DDO, and CoH recently. Neither of which is what I'm really looking for. However, CoH did introduce me to a concept. Not all MMO games are about End-game. Some people can't grasp this, it's one of the hardest things to sell, because people quickly say "what's the point". Even though those of us who don't want a heavy focus on end-game content, say the same thing, what's the point of end-game.
There is no end game...to any MMO. Here's my closest experience in End-game and this is something I challenge any MMO player to top. When I played EQlive, I played it alot. Before the tidal wave of expansions, my guild found a way to kill the sleeper. He was a dragon that had something like a billion hp. Like literally a billion. Well we found a way to kill him. It was incredibly slow and it was really because of his pathing. Not clearly an exploit in my opinion but then again he wasn't supposed to be killed. The devs intended him to be invincible without actually being invincible. Well we got him down to about 1/3 health and a GM actually stopped us. This happened a few other times in EQ. Mobs that weren't suppose to be killed, got taken down and people would get drops that were jokes. Later the devs decided to make all those drops disintegrate whenever you zoned. Another great example of SOE hating gamers.
The first time I played SoR I got turned off quickly, but now that I've played other games and have whitnessed different concepts and ways of appealing to gamers, I have been drawn back to SoR. Also because of the free part and the recent advertisement. I think that's what MaDSaM is trying to say in his post. These games are complicated sometimes, and it's common to not want to invest time energy and money into something that isnt instantly gratifying.
Thanks again for the post MaDSaM, those are just the kinds of things I look for on forums for MMOs I'm deciding on.
The game does not provide a good experience for a new player. With the latest advertising push I went ahead and downloaded the game to check it out. While there may be fun to be had later in the game, the newbie experience is unintuitive and more importantly - not fun. There are plenty of MMO's that are fun from the moment you step into the game. Ryzom is not one of them.
Originally posted by AcidCat The game does not provide a good experience for a new player. With the latest advertising push I went ahead and downloaded the game to check it out. While there may be fun to be had later in the game, the newbie experience is unintuitive and more importantly - not fun. There are plenty of MMO's that are fun from the moment you step into the game. Ryzom is not one of them.
Perhaps if you actually read the text and went through the tutorials?
Originally posted by AcidCat The game does not provide a good experience for a new player. With the latest advertising push I went ahead and downloaded the game to check it out. While there may be fun to be had later in the game, the newbie experience is unintuitive and more importantly - not fun. There are plenty of MMO's that are fun from the moment you step into the game. Ryzom is not one of them.
strange
i thought this game provided the best experience for new players compared to other MMOs I've tried
Played the endless free trial and was quite saddened when the newbie island quests had been completed
Would have continued to the mainland but at that time EVE was taking up all my free time but now that i'm no longer playing that................... looking forward to collecting my win from MMORPG and getting back to it
lol welcome to the real world im only 19 but i understand fully that i only have a breif time in existance, and is true humans get bored quickly, i referr you to what a character of a space game said. "if i can only experience a breif moment in this galaxy" - Sincliare, Freelancer (extract).
What mad wrote earlier in this thread nearly hit the nail on the head really, albiet only good points no negitives. apart from that its like most games, heres something to most gamers from ANY genre, its all basically the same platform where it be 1st person shooter to AOE 3 to Barbie dolls etc. the platform basically is you need to get it, watch the roleplay like every game and you are limited to what you do and kill the same stuff, same holds true for ryzom, your limited to 5 lvls, roots, jungle, desert and so on. where it holds the same for 1st person shooters, (old game) corridor 7 you on different levels just shooting the same old monsters your going though levels roleplaying it plus gather exerience from each game and knowing where everything is, the same for kiloblaster or battlefield 2.
*back to the point* as for ryzom the only real thing that is fun with this game is character creation, i mean you can take the buiscuit by create a big boned character and laugh at the computer image(but never in real life). what isnt fun though in negative points is the harvesting, this skill will turn me away fron this game for that reason. against all other reasons like grahpics and crafting etc, reason why i say this because i mean it annoys me so much that i keep too much anger inside i will have a heart attack (useless fact 15). i seriously think that needs a reworking.
Review posted by Zuba 1 harvesting, after level 10 the source life and extraction risk is just too stupid, i mean you start mining but its a life or death situation literally for your char and this is just for the basic stuff!. 2. invisible walls, one thing i dont like about is these invisible walls you find around trees, cliffs, hills, pillars and towers, it makes the game alot less fun. 3. the camera, the camera is awful for my liking. you try get the camera to face the front of your character but the only way this can happen is you sit down move the camera and stand the character up, i dont like doing this and annoys me no end. 4, help and tutorial help, the help questions in customer services and basic help is limited, alot left to be desired there. as for tutorial help, what tutorial help?, i got confused with adding hp to a crafted item because there wasnt a help topic around to help me. and finally 5. magic, magic is very unbalanced and really needs a sorting, i mean its so bad that even the weakest weapon can do more dmg in melee mode!. but dont let this put you off trying the game out.
After reading your review of the game, it seems like you have missed some important things in the free island.
1 Buy the care plan and heal the source when the node loose too HP or stability. Nothing more difficult than that. If you don't heal the node, the node will certainly explode. Harvesting is not about clicking and waiting without doing nothing. Do you know that you can harvest in group too ?
2 Yes there are invisible walls and the game should be better without.
3 You can move the camera as you want with the left mouse button.You can do it even while running when you use the arrows key. Very usefull when you have some nasty creatures in your track when you flee.
4 help and tutorial. You can find a LOT of help and tutorial just by doing and READING the missions on the island. All the missions of the island are only for tutorial purpose and explain ALL you have to know at the beginning.
5 magic is the most powerfull damage dealer in game. If you doesn't know how to make great damage doesn't mean magic is weak. It seems that you have not triggered the distance and the time in your stanza and not get the good gear of the magician trainer ?
Only one of your concern (point 2) is true. Play REALLY the game before giving your review about it. Ryzom is not an EASY game. You have to LEARN how to be efficient. And it's a major feature for all players loving this game.
That doesn't mean that this game will be an enjoying game for you. Ryzom is not for everyone. Just that talking about wrong concerns doesn't make a good and honest review
thanks for your useless info. im beginningto wonder about joining this forum at all!.
it was not supposed to be a review, its supposed to be a complaint.
as for the mining, i mean for 4 days this has been happening for all my chars and possibly other people... just forget it you dont want me to express my opinion then by all means ban me. you question the way i say stuff i hate that. but i am mindful of the rules so i wont comment any further.
By all means, please DO express your opinion, Zuba. Nobody wants to silence anybody here.
Fact is, considering your review, that you had one valid point, #2. Your first point there is due to not having a lot of experience and not listening to what the harvester coach (the mission giver) on Silan told you (or any players on the shard you were playing - did you ask?). We could be discussing about that.
But.. your last three points have simply been untrue. You have been corrected and you act kinda immature to that. You expect "us" to be respectful toward what you were saying and in return you tell us that the corrections Torotoro made (while he might have phrased them more politely, maybe a matter of time or how one reacts to somebody not telling the truth) were "useless info" to you, among other impolite assumptions... Paint the picture yourself.
You're welcome to try discussing about what annoyed you again.
...activating morph from silent reader to active poster... ...pending... ...pending... ...pending...
Originally posted by Zuba thanks for your useless info. im beginningto wonder about joining this forum at all!.
it was not supposed to be a review, its supposed to be a complaint.
as for the mining, i mean for 4 days this has been happening for all my chars and possibly other people... just forget it you dont want me to express my opinion then by all means ban me. you question the way i say stuff i hate that. but i am mindful of the rules so i wont comment any further.
when you post something on a public forum it is implied that you are contributing to a discussion and open to comments based on your post. therefore if you are going to post something (whether it be positive, negative, or objective) be prepared to face retorts and criticism. if you are so insecure about your opinion don't post.
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Originally posted by Fade very nice post. i played ryzom on two seperate occasions and what really turned me off was the lack of other players.
Same here. The fact that there is no Universal Chat, and all the regions in the game are so 'cut up' into segregated chat channels, makes communication and meeting new people while youre out in the world, pretty impossible. Lots of people in the 100+ zones, so those are lively, but until you get there, its mostly dead silent in the region chats.
They should make each region one channel (Lakelands/Zorai Jungle/Matis Forest/Desertlands). I think that would help a lot in bringing together all the people playing in that region.
Having a guild helps this a bit, however. But playing on your own out there is lonely, not even people to smalltalk with half the time, unless you wanna break the rules in the help channel. =P
I would like to share my day 3 in ryzom, I absolutly love it. I will not try to compare this game to others, it is completly different.
the community is very cool, i have had sooo much help from them, i have a full set of very nice armor and a nice 1-h sword, i still have to grow into it.
The gm's are awesome, they really tend to discipline those that break the rules and that act like fuktards, for this i am happy, as with the games of my past the fuktard part is mostly overlooked for the almighty buck, this doesnt seem to be the case in ryzom, if your acting immature, or like a jucking ferk the gm's will let you know and all of the community as well, this is definatly an older crowds game for sure, or a mature persons game, ignorance and self rightous retard attacks are not tolerated, the game is for the whole community to work together from the getgo, if you are looking to compare the size of yer sack or camp uber spawnz or run instances over and over for l33t geerz this is not the game for you. This ganme is meant for the whole community to work together in some way or another.
The graffix and beuty of this game is really amazing since it is 2 years old, i was truly surprised by its graffix. There is no short order of mobs to kill and the crafing and mining system is really nifty as well, I am taking a break from the gaqme for a minute to post this stuff, also i may add i have been invited to a guild already, very cool, this is an adult game. I hope this game goes far, be nice to see it grow.
ill post back again on another report in a cple days. I think this community is how myst is going to be.
Originally posted by Arcken Bankruptcy, pwnt in the face.
What, exactly, is this supposed to express? You didn't like the game and are joyful at it's bankruptcy? You just generally like to see things fail? You want to kick someone when they're down?
No particular reason I can think of for posting this reflects well on you.
The possible failure of a creative, well-imagined game is not a good thing. It will only lead to more cloning of WoW as more game developers hedge their bets, reducing anything remotely resembling risk-taking.
If you didn't like the game, that's fine. I've had some trouble getting into it myself, but I'm not glad it's having these troubles, and I seriously hope it can find some way to continue on.
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Nice post but...
Have you ever heard the saying about "casting pearls at swine" ???
Sadly for the most part the people you are trying to reach will not be changed by what you said.
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
First let me introduce myself.
I´m Acridiel from Leanon, the german community.
I´m with Ryzom since shortly after release and I´m a casual, strongly
RP-Player, wich is reflected in my highest Levels atm being 231 in
offensive Magic and 202 in defensive, and 176 in 2 Handed Melee. All
else are way below 150.
Yeah, two years of play and no 250.
And yes, I´m not even from your server. Thank you, let´s move on.
(And forgive me if my spelling´s not always correct.
The reason why I write this letter to you is that I do see many new
Players come and sadly take offense at one or the other part of the
game and go again.
I simply can´t stand idly by and watch you go.
This will not be a rant as of the likes we heard so much of in the last days:
"Go back to where you came from."
NO!
I invite you to stay and share the wonders of this beautyful world with me.
I notcied that many of you try to compare this game to whatever game they´ve played before.
That´s allright and you´re perfectly entitled to do that. I´m sure it may even help in some ways.
But, and here´s the catchy part, repeated in short and even less kind
words all over this forums, Ryzom is very, very, very hard to compare
to other games.
Why?
Let me try and help you.
1. Ryzom´s a Sandbox-Kind-of-Game.
Most Games out there, wich we´re all used to and got to love in their
own way, take you by the hand and lead you through themselves, by
giving you Quests and so called Timesinks. They´ve got preset Roles,
wich you may identify with and act the part if you´re so inclined, or
wich you may completely ignore.
Ryzom´s gameplay does not realy focus on these things.
In Ryzom the old Zen saying: "The opstacle is the path." rings very true.
By subscribing to Ryzom a player steps of the beaten pathways of other
MMO´s into uncharted territory. A wilderness in wich each player is
responsible for his/her own actions and his/her own part in the World
wich contains Atys. You may choose to be whatever you want.
You just have to act the part.
While this may be hard on the imagination for the unexperienced, it´s
rewarding in its own way and its a legitimate way of playing any game.
MMORPGs evolved from "old fashined" Pen&Paper RPGs and a ROLE
PLAYING GAME can be much, much more than just having letters state
"Warlock" or "Master of Pain" over your head.
In fact they are much more.
They´re mental workout.
And I invite you to try and flex your brain a bit with all of us.
2. Ryzom´s got Invasion.
Some of you complain about the Invasion "ruining their gameplay".
Let me ask you:
How can something that, as announced lasts for only a few days, ruin your gameplay?
While I see your reasoning in other threads I fail to see a real impact
or sigificance to any of them if I take into account that
a. The Event lasts only a very limited amount of time
b. It´s a chance to do something else then grind.
These Invasions are part and parcel, bread and water, flesh and bone to
Ryzom. Ryzom has got a rich background that the developers constantly
try to inplement into the actual gameplay itself.
One part of that background is that the Homins were driven out of their
old habitats by the invading Kitin and are now trying to "rebuild their
future" in a new part of the world. Like in a pretty popular movie the
survival of Homin-/Human-kind depends on it´s ability to defend itself
from the invading bugs.
Would you like to know more?
I quessed so.
The Kitin are hellbent on the destruction of all Homins and will
infrequently invade the known lands to reach their goal and annihilate
all sentient beings on Atys bark.
Invasions now are your chance to participate in history. And history,
as is well known, takes a long time in the making. So please don´t
expect "the Saga" to be over in a few days or even month.
Even if you are not level 150 in any branch of the skilltree you will be able to help.
I invite you now to step over your shadow and team up with other Homins sharing your goal.
Wich brings us to another point.
3. Ryzom is Teamplay
While this may realy be a tricky part of my reasoning I see no actual
problem with temporarily teaming up with a few other players to
eradicate the bugs in a certain area. Ok, some of you may realy, realy,
realy like the "Lone Wolf" approach and Solo all the way to 250. All
these guys and girls have my uttermost respect if they manage to reach
this lofty goal.
But only if they are able to think outside their box for a moment.
A german Commedian said it best, as he said:
"Take for example Hercules. - This Hero was said to be "as strong as 10
grown men." - So why didn´t 11 Guys team up on him and beat the living
S**t out of him?!"
These Kitin now are stronger that your avarage mob. They attack in
teams of 3 if you´re not so dump and run right into the middle of the
swarm. And the same is true for all other mobs, except that they´re not
that strong and present.
So, why don´t at least 4 of you guys team up and beat the buggers to a pulp?
And I invite you to help us be a part of history in the making!
Play with us, not against us and thereby against yourself.
Another Point is
4. Ryzom´s got community
While in the last few days some of us may have gotten their nerves laid
bare and reacted in a false and harsh way, the international community
of Ryzom is by far one of the best many of us have ever experienced in
our "MMO-Carreer".
Most old players are helpful and mindful of others and especialy
"younger Homins" and are eager to help you find your niche in the World
of Atys.
In the last few weeks many of us have become frustrated with the way
some of you new Players act on these fourms and Ingame, wich is only
understandable and I beg you to leave us oldies a bit of leeway in
that.
Many of you seem to be younger than the avarage player of Ryzom so far
and many of you seem to stem from communitys that are by far below a
civil way of behaviour. It´s truly sad that you were forced to get used
to insults and general abuse on other forums.
But please don´t make the mistake of expecting the same from us and
acting in your "usual" way. Even if some of us may get a little cranky
sometimes, we ultimately try to be nice and friendly and helpful to all
other players.
Even if they are of another faction.
Because after all we´re all just fellow humans sitting in front of a
Computerscreen acting out of a mutual interest in playing a certain
game.
Acting in a friendly and civil manner will most of the time get you by far better then just using insults and 733T-Speech.
If you take your time to realy consider your answer, or the way you
open a post on here, I´m sure you´ll see that there are other ways to
express what you think then just heaping abuse on the Game and the
Community.
Same goes for many an old player in regards to new ones.
Please think before you write. Don´t abuse the new Players. Try to help them!!!
I´ve forced myself to do it and I´m proud of managing it!!
So I invite you to be friendly and have Fun with us.
5. Ryzom isn´t E-Sport!
Even if 250 in each and every single branch of the skilltree may seem a
particular juicy bone for some to grab, Ryzom isn´t about that. And its
system almost always prevents that. Unless you team up with likeminded
individuals.
It´s a legitimate, but shallow way of playing any game. If you want to
grind, then do it. It´s Ok and not everyone realy is into RP. No
problem.
But I assure you that you´re missing at least 50% of the fun any MMO-RPG can be. The RPG part.
So I invite you to share a pint of Ale and a
tale in a nice tavern somewhere on Atys with us, or share the glory of
defeating the Kitin.
6. Ryzom´s got no real "Endgame"
Again the Zen quote mentioned before is very fitting here.
"The opstacle is the path."
Reaching a certain level, reaching a certain area, exploring the huuuge
world, finding new things and learning new "Player-Skills" is the
"Endgame".
I refere as Player-Skills to things like sneaking, or advanced forraging,or advanced crafting.
Being able to sneak from point A to point B, through Aggro invested lands is a Skill not provided by the Game.
Having a feeling for the right time to hit that careplan on the source
you forage to not let it explode in your face, is a skill not provided
by the game.
Finding the right recipes for good Gear is not a Skill provided by the game.
These and others are things you´ll have to learn for yourself.
You certainly need patience and practice to accomblish these.
There is no other way to get these "Skills", then maybe have a nice Homin explain or show them to you.
So I invite you to learn from us and with us.
7. Ryzom´s got no Instances.
As of yet, with the Kitin Lair banging on the door, so to speak.
Ryzom´s got areas that are a challenge by themself.
Kitin Mounds and higher-Level Lands are there for the taking.
You just have to be strong, or clever enough to get them. And not all of them are 250.
Again: "The opstacle is the path."
I invite you to follow this path with us.
8. Ryzom´s got a Staff that cares!
Whilst some of us old farts may disagree and maybe be even correct in
regards of response time by Nevrax as a Developer, the Hands on Game
Support Staff is the best in the Industry.
A little known fact for most new players is that all so called CSRs (Customer Service Represetatives) are volunteers.
Only the real GMs such as Soulsnatcher, Shadowee, Chule, Boarr, Kadael and some more are paid Workes for Jolt/Nevrax.
So Senior Guides and Guides are Players that want to help you get a
good experience out of the game and most of them are working their
asses of to do so. They sacrifice their own playing time to help you.
And for nothing more then a few nice words and the ability to help you.
So please give them the respect they deserve and give them credit where
it´s due, because as volunteer Players they may not know much more then
you about a new Bug that suddelny sprang up out of the dark depth of
the code-caverns.
So I invite you to bow to the Support Staff. /tar GMs&CSRs /bow
EDIT:
9. Ryzom´s hard to solo.
As unfortunate as it may seem to some of you Ryzom is HARD to solo.
But it´s not impossible at all. You just have to put a bit more of an effort in it then in other games.
A very important "Player Skill" here is sneaking.
Being able to sneak past too large aggros is essential.
Also is the ability to judge wich MOB to single out of a Pak or Herd. It IS possible.
Also, learn wich Mobs are agrro and/or social, either by asking or by dying.
You may solo but you have to be up to it. And be prepared for a hard time.
I invite you to rise to the challenge!!
So Ryzom does not have many of the things you may have enjoyed in other games.
Some of you may see this as a failure, but for one final time let me invite you to try and step of the beaten path.
Try something different. Look at a new world with Eyes freed of the dust of others.
Look at Atys as a challenge, not some thing to "ruin your Gameplay."
Your Gameplay is what you make of it.
Not what the Game provides.
Another Zen Quote states that: "Weeds only grow when we dislike them."
Wich to me means,
"Only what we regard as bad, realy is bad. We should look at it from another point of view and see the beauty inherent in it."
Maybe you come to another conclusion for yourself but then let me
invite you one last time to decide wich kind of new Player YOU want to
be:
All my best.
Acridiel
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what really turned me off was the lack of other players. i also
felt and still do i suppose that there needed to be more politics and
conflict between the different races and between guilds. perhaps
what im asking for is more pvp but im not sure. the game is a
marvelous creation and i highly recommend people to try it.
edit: also while i absolutely loved the crafting and foraging system in
ryzom (which is still the best i have found even after playing EVE and
preCU swg) i wish the economy was more dynamic to reflect the
intricacies of the crafting.
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Well Fade, then you should join up again now. Since the Outposts there´s so much "politicing" that it´s almost too much.
And the economiy is pretty OK since Beta. Only thing is most people rather barter with materials then pay dappers.
CU
Acridiel / MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
Wich Server are you on? And in wich Timezone?
"Cho" is a brandnew Server and so all people there are rather small in levels and have some "issues" with the current Invasion Event, even after it´s been toned down *sigh*
"Arispotle" should be more populated by far unless you happen to play in an unfortuante timezone.
Look up the Main Forums for some more Info.
CU
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
Nice post MaDSaM.
I can see where people might say that you're wasting your time, but I disagree. I have played a lot of MMOs, for about 10 years now. I've just recently started SoR, only been playing a day. But I did play a trial of it when it first launched. Maybe it was an open beta, I don't remember. I play lots of trials of MMOs, and when you do that you have to be very careful.
You have to be aware of what you're looking for in testing out free trials, and open betas when it comes to MMO.
You've got to be aware of what you are looking for and what you really want in an MMO. I played WoW, I liked WoW, I think it's a really accomplished and great game. I don't wanna play WoW anymore, ever again. I've moved on from that. My free time is becoming less existent, and therefore more valuable. I've played DDO, and CoH recently. Neither of which is what I'm really looking for. However, CoH did introduce me to a concept. Not all MMO games are about End-game. Some people can't grasp this, it's one of the hardest things to sell, because people quickly say "what's the point". Even though those of us who don't want a heavy focus on end-game content, say the same thing, what's the point of end-game.
There is no end game...to any MMO. Here's my closest experience in End-game and this is something I challenge any MMO player to top. When I played EQlive, I played it alot. Before the tidal wave of expansions, my guild found a way to kill the sleeper. He was a dragon that had something like a billion hp. Like literally a billion. Well we found a way to kill him. It was incredibly slow and it was really because of his pathing. Not clearly an exploit in my opinion but then again he wasn't supposed to be killed. The devs intended him to be invincible without actually being invincible. Well we got him down to about 1/3 health and a GM actually stopped us. This happened a few other times in EQ. Mobs that weren't suppose to be killed, got taken down and people would get drops that were jokes. Later the devs decided to make all those drops disintegrate whenever you zoned. Another great example of SOE hating gamers.
The first time I played SoR I got turned off quickly, but now that I've played other games and have whitnessed different concepts and ways of appealing to gamers, I have been drawn back to SoR. Also because of the free part and the recent advertisement. I think that's what MaDSaM is trying to say in his post. These games are complicated sometimes, and it's common to not want to invest time energy and money into something that isnt instantly gratifying.
Thanks again for the post MaDSaM, those are just the kinds of things I look for on forums for MMOs I'm deciding on.
Perhaps if you actually read the text and went through the tutorials?
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strange
i thought this game provided the best experience for new players compared to other MMOs I've tried
Played the endless free trial and was quite saddened when the newbie island quests had been completed
Would have continued to the mainland but at that time EVE was taking up all my free time but now that i'm no longer playing that................... looking forward to collecting my win from MMORPG and getting back to it
I still can´t figure out how to paste a text in here, so I´m forced to post a Link again.
I´ve made some additions to my previous Letter and I hope they too will clear some things up for new Players.
With points 9 & 10
CU
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
lol welcome to the real world im only 19 but i understand fully that i only have a breif time in existance, and is true humans get bored quickly, i referr you to what a character of a space game said. "if i can only experience a breif moment in this galaxy" - Sincliare, Freelancer (extract).
What mad wrote earlier in this thread nearly hit the nail on the head really, albiet only good points no negitives. apart from that its like most games, heres something to most gamers from ANY genre, its all basically the same platform where it be 1st person shooter to AOE 3 to Barbie dolls etc. the platform basically is you need to get it, watch the roleplay like every game and you are limited to what you do and kill the same stuff, same holds true for ryzom, your limited to 5 lvls, roots, jungle, desert and so on. where it holds the same for 1st person shooters, (old game) corridor 7 you on different levels just shooting the same old monsters your going though levels roleplaying it plus gather exerience from each game and knowing where everything is, the same for kiloblaster or battlefield 2.
*back to the point* as for ryzom the only real thing that is fun with this game is character creation, i mean you can take the buiscuit by create a big boned character and laugh at the computer image(but never in real life). what isnt fun though in negative points is the harvesting, this skill will turn me away fron this game for that reason. against all other reasons like grahpics and crafting etc, reason why i say this because i mean it annoys me so much that i keep too much anger inside i will have a heart attack (useless fact 15). i seriously think that needs a reworking.
1 Buy the care plan and heal the source when the node loose too HP or stability. Nothing more difficult than that. If you don't heal the node, the node will certainly explode. Harvesting is not about clicking and waiting without doing nothing. Do you know that you can harvest in group too ?
2 Yes there are invisible walls and the game should be better without.
3 You can move the camera as you want with the left mouse button.You can do it even while running when you use the arrows key. Very usefull when you have some nasty creatures in your track when you flee.
4 help and tutorial. You can find a LOT of help and tutorial just by doing and READING the missions on the island. All the missions of the island are only for tutorial purpose and explain ALL you have to know at the beginning.
5 magic is the most powerfull damage dealer in game. If you doesn't know how to make great damage doesn't mean magic is weak. It seems that you have not triggered the distance and the time in your stanza and not get the good gear of the magician trainer ?
Only one of your concern (point 2) is true. Play REALLY the game before giving your review about it. Ryzom is not an EASY game. You have to LEARN how to be efficient. And it's a major feature for all players loving this game.
That doesn't mean that this game will be an enjoying game for you. Ryzom is not for everyone. Just that talking about wrong concerns doesn't make a good and honest review
it was not supposed to be a review, its supposed to be a complaint.
as for the mining, i mean for 4 days this has been happening for all my chars and possibly other people... just forget it you dont want me to express my opinion then by all means ban me. you question the way i say stuff i hate that. but i am mindful of the rules so i wont comment any further.
By all means, please DO express your opinion, Zuba. Nobody wants to silence anybody here.
Fact is, considering your review, that you had one valid point, #2.
Your first point there is due to not having a lot of experience and not listening to what the harvester coach (the mission giver) on Silan told you (or any players on the shard you were playing - did you ask?).
We could be discussing about that.
But.. your last three points have simply been untrue. You have been corrected and you act kinda immature to that. You expect "us" to be respectful toward what you were saying and in return you tell us that the corrections Torotoro made (while he might have phrased them more politely, maybe a matter of time or how one reacts to somebody not telling the truth) were "useless info" to you, among other impolite assumptions... Paint the picture yourself.
You're welcome to try discussing about what annoyed you again.
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They should make each region one channel (Lakelands/Zorai Jungle/Matis Forest/Desertlands). I think that would help a lot in bringing together all the people playing in that region.
Having a guild helps this a bit, however. But playing on your own out there is lonely, not even people to smalltalk with half the time, unless you wanna break the rules in the help channel. =P
I would like to share my day 3 in ryzom, I absolutly love it. I will not try to compare this game to others, it is completly different.
the community is very cool, i have had sooo much help from them, i have a full set of very nice armor and a nice 1-h sword, i still have to grow into it.
The gm's are awesome, they really tend to discipline those that break the rules and that act like fuktards, for this i am happy, as with the games of my past the fuktard part is mostly overlooked for the almighty buck, this doesnt seem to be the case in ryzom, if your acting immature, or like a jucking ferk the gm's will let you know and all of the community as well, this is definatly an older crowds game for sure, or a mature persons game, ignorance and self rightous retard attacks are not tolerated, the game is for the whole community to work together from the getgo, if you are looking to compare the size of yer sack or camp uber spawnz or run instances over and over for l33t geerz this is not the game for you. This ganme is meant for the whole community to work together in some way or another.
The graffix and beuty of this game is really amazing since it is 2 years old, i was truly surprised by its graffix. There is no short order of mobs to kill and the crafing and mining system is really nifty as well, I am taking a break from the gaqme for a minute to post this stuff, also i may add i have been invited to a guild already, very cool, this is an adult game. I hope this game goes far, be nice to see it grow.
ill post back again on another report in a cple days. I think this community is how myst is going to be.
playing eq2 and two worlds
You fail at English and reading comprehension.
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What, exactly, is this supposed to express? You didn't like the game and are joyful at it's bankruptcy? You just generally like to see things fail? You want to kick someone when they're down?
No particular reason I can think of for posting this reflects well on you.
The possible failure of a creative, well-imagined game is not a good thing. It will only lead to more cloning of WoW as more game developers hedge their bets, reducing anything remotely resembling risk-taking.
If you didn't like the game, that's fine. I've had some trouble getting into it myself, but I'm not glad it's having these troubles, and I seriously hope it can find some way to continue on.
And its not the game that is dying
only Nevrax the company that created the Game engine and so on have to give up now.....
but Ryzom is still alive and under further development
and some people / companys are interestet in Ryzom...
so lets wait which company will get out of the shadows and bring Ryzom to the next level back on top of all mmorpg
http://www.ryzom.com/news?set_language=en
greetz
Fireball-HH
aka Selene on Leanon
Loved my time on ryzom
-Has the best community i ever experienced in an mmo
-good lookin graphics
-original crafting and gather system
-Good roleplaying
-great feeling in atmosphere , killin peole for an OP is fun
why i stopped playing it:
- no different chars , your all if you want (has its good and bad points)
-No decent quests at all (if you can call them quests)
-no dungeons or instances what so ever
-grind fest
the game LACKs serious content (my opinion) .
For new players : CHECK IT OUT, its still worth your time.
Atys rules :-)