Originally posted by Xexima For some reason I was just reminded of this by your post joe, but about a week ago some guy was driving a minivan with one headlight out in the kroger parking lot. He put his head out the window and yelled "Im bout to get me some LSD!" Then slammed into a light post. It was funny shit.
rofl, my friend totaled my old Chrysler LeBaron in a parking lot. Damn weed, that thing was a chick magnet.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by outfctrl Well, you see my age here. I grew up in NY state and the drinking age was 18 back in 69. I believe if you are old enough to fight and die for your country, you should be able to smoke and drink also.
Just use common sense!!!
There is a bit of diffrence between that. fight and die for your country is your own choice. you put yourself in danger, and you alone. however, when driving drunk, you put other people in danger as well.they didn't ask for it. and like somebody else mentioned, many have unsafe sex when drunk.
I don't really see how those two can be compared to be honnest.
I disagree with that...
But without getting flamed to all hell (by explaining why I disagree, just guess don't make me openly break the social taboos regarding nationalism), if you are going to trust a hormonal teenager with explosives and an assault rifle, you might as well trust them with mind altering substances.
With regard to DUI's and Unsafe sex, adults make the same bad decisions while under the influence as well. Alcohol shuts down the reasoning functions of your brain first, does not matter if you are 18-124 (at a 125 you reach leet status Alpha class Godmode). yes, but that teenager doesnt get a weapon or explosives until he is in the heat of battle. or in training. if he goes all "loopy" what happens?...people around him are ganna take him out. what happens if the kid goes all "loopy" on alcohol....enless the correct cirumstances all we can do is call 911...if i see somone driving drunk, and i could just "halt" thier actions myself. i would do so, but we cant. otherwise i would be ok having teenagers drink. but i cant touch somone underage.... And that teenager can make ADULT DECISIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH CONSEQUENCE IN A SPLIT SECOND on who is a civilian and who is an enemy but not on an adult decision like the consumption of alcohol, which may lead to drunk driving or may not? by the time the punk would get into war, id think he would be ok to handle the situation. but were not talking about kids who have gone through military training. these are punks who just skipped class and are looking for something "fun" to do... What we are talking about is the fact that at 18 years old you can be drafted into the military. It has nothing to do with volentarily joining the military and then going through training and what not, but has to do with being drafted. omg this quote shizz is getting huge lol. again, it goes back to what i said earlier. If i was drafted, and were in war, and some guy next to me starts going crazy....im ganna take him out, or at least render him unconcious, we dont need that shit. if some punk drinks and drives what can i do? hold him until the authorities come and do pratically nothing. or, if he isnt even driving...oooo a ticket...
Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69
im one of that 2% Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk? no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69
im one of that 2% Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk? no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69
im one of that 2% Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk? no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that. cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69
im one of that 2% Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk? no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that. cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right Sorry to tell you this, but they are not put there to protect people. If they were put their to keep people from doing something stupid, they would prohibit alcohol entirely, and we all know how that went.
It was put there for financial gain. My dad explained it to me once, but I don't remember. Had to do with insurance companies.
Edit* and the same thing goes for all drugs. The laws against them are put there only for tax purposes. The government couldn't give a shit about you.
Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Joshua69
im one of that 2% Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk? no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that. cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right So you honestly feel you are not mature enough to make a responsible decision at your current age? I'm 20, and I've never been arrested, gotten a PI, or driven drunk unless I am very close to home. By very close I mean 2-3 miles at most. So you honestly feel too immature at age 20 and a half to drink a couple beers? That sucks.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Joshua69 Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by outfctrl Well, you see my age here. I grew up in NY state and the drinking age was 18 back in 69. I believe if you are old enough to fight and die for your country, you should be able to smoke and drink also.
Just use common sense!!!
There is a bit of diffrence between that. fight and die for your country is your own choice. you put yourself in danger, and you alone. however, when driving drunk, you put other people in danger as well.they didn't ask for it. and like somebody else mentioned, many have unsafe sex when drunk.
I don't really see how those two can be compared to be honnest.
I disagree with that...
But without getting flamed to all hell (by explaining why I disagree, just guess don't make me openly break the social taboos regarding nationalism), if you are going to trust a hormonal teenager with explosives and an assault rifle, you might as well trust them with mind altering substances.
With regard to DUI's and Unsafe sex, adults make the same bad decisions while under the influence as well. Alcohol shuts down the reasoning functions of your brain first, does not matter if you are 18-124 (at a 125 you reach leet status Alpha class Godmode). yes, but that teenager doesnt get a weapon or explosives until he is in the heat of battle. or in training. if he goes all "loopy" what happens?...people around him are ganna take him out. what happens if the kid goes all "loopy" on alcohol....enless the correct cirumstances all we can do is call 911...if i see somone driving drunk, and i could just "halt" thier actions myself. i would do so, but we cant. otherwise i would be ok having teenagers drink. but i cant touch somone underage.... And that teenager can make ADULT DECISIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH CONSEQUENCE IN A SPLIT SECOND on who is a civilian and who is an enemy but not on an adult decision like the consumption of alcohol, which may lead to drunk driving or may not?
Yes, and do you know why?
Because before that teenagers is even allowed to touch a gun, he has been through LOADS of training. a teenager can't make that decision. a military trained teenager can.
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
Sorry to tell you this, but they are not put there to protect people. If they were put their to keep people from doing something stupid, they would prohibit alcohol entirely, and we all know how that went.
It was put there for financial gain. My dad explained it to me once, but I don't remember. Had to do with insurance companies.
Edit* and the same thing goes for all drugs. The laws against them are put there only for tax purposes. The government couldn't give a shit about you.
that is rediculous. Despite what some people might say, Maturity comes for a big part with age. Lower the required age, and you increase the chance someone who doesn't know how to use aclohol drinks and gets hurt.
Let's do what Germany does, kill the drinking age, but beat the hoyl shit out of any trouble makers and permantely revoke their drinking rights, that'll put a price on drunkeness all right.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that. Umm, I've never stabbed anyone but I'm pretty sure its bad. I love when people argue that unless you've tried something (something that can have clear negative consequences) you cant know whether its bad or not.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
So you honestly feel you are not mature enough to make a responsible decision at your current age? I'm 20, and I've never been arrested, gotten a PI, or driven drunk unless I am very close to home. By very close I mean 2-3 miles at most. So you honestly feel too immature at age 20 and a half to drink a couple beers? That sucks.
And everyone you know is as responsible as you are Mojoe? I dont think the arguement is whether or not you are personally responsible with acohol. THe arguement is whether or not its a good thing for society as a whole. And read the statisitcs for ANY country and you'll find the answer is "no." Sure some EU countries have lower age limits and handle it better than the US. But the reason is not in the age limit. Its like xex hinted at (but only skimmed the surface on) that its more to do with their culture. The exerpt below is about france and the drinking culture;
"Adult drinking is controlled by group attitudes both toward the proper amount of drinking and proper behavior when drinking. Strong disapproval is expressed when an individual violates these standards and acts in an antisocial manner. "
The culture of drinking couldnt be more different in the USA. People dont drink with their families. Drinking is all about social power, independence and showing off (if anything peer pressure is to drink more than you can handle, not less). Not that that matters becasue people of the age should be able to drink for whatever reason. My point is, becasue it does not make things that much worse in France and Denmark does not mean it will be the same for us in the USA. There is NO logic in saying that changing a law will somehow change an imbedded culture.
In New Zealand they recently lowered the drinking age and saw a large increase in alcohol related injuries and fatalities. Now 75% of the people support moving the age back up.
A lot of you that are saying how cool this would be, love to post how stupid Americans are, so now your all for making them more stupid at a younger age? COme on now! Thats just "stupid!"
Dont go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. (Mark Twain)
What's really dumb is if someone wants to sit down and have a beer with their 16 year old son, they get in trouble for it. That's complete B.S. Another example of the government deciding what's best for people.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Xexima Gameloading, what is the drinking age where you live? I doubt that it is anywhere near 21 yo. 21 is rediculous.
Its 16, which is, imo, far to low. I think a reasonable age would be 19. I'm glad your opinion is more important than Reavo's and Xexima's.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Xexima Gameloading, what is the drinking age where you live? I doubt that it is anywhere near 21 yo. 21 is rediculous.
Its 16, which is, imo, far to low. I think a reasonable age would be 19. I'm glad your opinion is more important than Reavo's and Xexima's. eh..? eh.
Originally posted by reavo What's really dumb is if someone wants to sit down and have a beer with their 16 year old son, they get in trouble for it. That's complete B.S. Another example of the government deciding what's best for people.
I agree, it is complete BS. My dad drinks with me anyway, though. But in this case I do see the threat of intoxicated drivers. But, that isn't something that really strict DUI laws couldn't fix.
Without causing an accident -
First offense- 6 months probation from driving second offense- 2 years third offense- 5 years fourth+ permanent suspension and posible jail time
Causing an accident
First offense- 5 years probation from driving second offense/ causing an injury to a person - permanent revokation and possible jailtime
I also think that laws should keep people from driving on while on the cell phone. Studies have proven that this is actually worse than while intoxicated.
A plan to decrease the drinking age:
1.) make drinking age 20 2.) two years later decrease it to 19 3.) three years later decrease it to 18 4.) make it legal for people underage to drink with their parent's consent at their own residency
Yes, and do you know why? Because before that teenagers is even allowed to touch a gun, he has been through LOADS of training. a teenager can't make that decision. a military trained teenager can.
Either way, one of the most adult decisions one could possibly make is to give his life to his country, period. If their is a more adult decision, could you please inform me of it? If you are allowed to commit yourself to your country you should atleast be allowed to consume alcohol. It doesn't matter if you will be firing guns or setting of explosives after extensive training, giving yourself to the country is before you are given any training.
Wasn't the drinking age reduced to 18 right around Vietnam time due to people's arguments that if you could be drafted and die, you should be able to drink. Then it was raised again after the draft and war ended?
I think the best way to do it would be to get rid of the alcohol level or age so you could drink with your family or what not. But if you are drunk in public you get penalized/fined/incarecerated or something. Also I think if you get caught driving drunk your license should be taken away for a long time. Although I doubt the cultural mindset of American youth is not entirely set to responsible so I doubt it would work. Maybe if some famous celeberities had their licenses revoked for driving while intoxicated, it would send a message.
Also I learned something interesting in my accounting class the other day. Drug dealers can only deduct the cost of the goods from their income.
Originally posted by Emyrn Also I learned something interesting in my accounting class the other day. Drug dealers can only deduct the cost of the goods from their income.
Elaborate please. I really can't tell what you are trying to say, I'm not trying to flame you.
Originally posted by Draenor Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by Emyrn Also I learned something interesting in my accounting class the other day. Drug dealers can only deduct the cost of the goods from their income.
Elaborate please. I really can't tell what you are trying to say, I'm not trying to flame you.
Drug dealers can write off the cost of their wares when filing taxes?
How many drug dealers do you honestly believe are filing taxes?
That's what I was thinking. I deal "cookies" (I love you RoC) and I don't file anything, be it costs or revenues. Considering the GDP is calculated with finished, legal products, I don't see any way cookies could enter this equation. What accounting class do you take, and what college do you attend?
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There is a bit of diffrence between that. fight and die for your country is your own choice. you put yourself in danger, and you alone. however, when driving drunk, you put other people in danger as well.they didn't ask for it. and like somebody else mentioned, many have unsafe sex when drunk.
I don't really see how those two can be compared to be honnest.
I disagree with that...
But without getting flamed to all hell (by explaining why I disagree, just guess don't make me openly break the social taboos regarding nationalism), if you are going to trust a hormonal teenager with explosives and an assault rifle, you might as well trust them with mind altering substances.
With regard to DUI's and Unsafe sex, adults make the same bad decisions while under the influence as well. Alcohol shuts down the reasoning functions of your brain first, does not matter if you are 18-124 (at a 125 you reach leet status Alpha class Godmode).
yes, but that teenager doesnt get a weapon or explosives until he is in the heat of battle. or in training. if he goes all "loopy" what happens?...people around him are ganna take him out. what happens if the kid goes all "loopy" on alcohol....enless the correct cirumstances all we can do is call 911...if i see somone driving drunk, and i could just "halt" thier actions myself. i would do so, but we cant. otherwise i would be ok having teenagers drink. but i cant touch somone underage....
And that teenager can make ADULT DECISIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH CONSEQUENCE IN A SPLIT SECOND on who is a civilian and who is an enemy but not on an adult decision like the consumption of alcohol, which may lead to drunk driving or may not?
by the time the punk would get into war, id think he would be ok to handle the situation. but were not talking about kids who have gone through military training. these are punks who just skipped class and are looking for something "fun" to do...
What we are talking about is the fact that at 18 years old you can be drafted into the military. It has nothing to do with volentarily joining the military and then going through training and what not, but has to do with being drafted.
omg this quote shizz is getting huge lol. again, it goes back to what i said earlier. If i was drafted, and were in war, and some guy next to me starts going crazy....im ganna take him out, or at least render him unconcious, we dont need that shit. if some punk drinks and drives what can i do? hold him until the authorities come and do pratically nothing. or, if he isnt even driving...oooo a ticket...
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
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Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
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Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
Sorry to tell you this, but they are not put there to protect people. If they were put their to keep people from doing something stupid, they would prohibit alcohol entirely, and we all know how that went.
It was put there for financial gain. My dad explained it to me once, but I don't remember. Had to do with insurance companies.
Edit* and the same thing goes for all drugs. The laws against them are put there only for tax purposes. The government couldn't give a shit about you.
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
So you honestly feel you are not mature enough to make a responsible decision at your current age? I'm 20, and I've never been arrested, gotten a PI, or driven drunk unless I am very close to home. By very close I mean 2-3 miles at most. So you honestly feel too immature at age 20 and a half to drink a couple beers? That sucks.
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i dont know whats goin on in texas, but there trying to increase the drviving age to at least 17 before temps
There is a bit of diffrence between that. fight and die for your country is your own choice. you put yourself in danger, and you alone. however, when driving drunk, you put other people in danger as well.they didn't ask for it. and like somebody else mentioned, many have unsafe sex when drunk.
I don't really see how those two can be compared to be honnest.
I disagree with that...
But without getting flamed to all hell (by explaining why I disagree, just guess don't make me openly break the social taboos regarding nationalism), if you are going to trust a hormonal teenager with explosives and an assault rifle, you might as well trust them with mind altering substances.
With regard to DUI's and Unsafe sex, adults make the same bad decisions while under the influence as well. Alcohol shuts down the reasoning functions of your brain first, does not matter if you are 18-124 (at a 125 you reach leet status Alpha class Godmode).
yes, but that teenager doesnt get a weapon or explosives until he is in the heat of battle. or in training. if he goes all "loopy" what happens?...people around him are ganna take him out. what happens if the kid goes all "loopy" on alcohol....enless the correct cirumstances all we can do is call 911...if i see somone driving drunk, and i could just "halt" thier actions myself. i would do so, but we cant. otherwise i would be ok having teenagers drink. but i cant touch somone underage....
And that teenager can make ADULT DECISIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH CONSEQUENCE IN A SPLIT SECOND on who is a civilian and who is an enemy but not on an adult decision like the consumption of alcohol, which may lead to drunk driving or may not?
Yes, and do you know why?
Because before that teenagers is even allowed to touch a gun, he has been through LOADS of training. a teenager can't make that decision. a military trained teenager can.
gameloading and I are getting along well...
Just curious, if you've never smoked, have you ever gotte drunk?
no smoking drinking or drugs, im sure ill drink abit when i turn 21 thow...only 5 months away
Why are you arguing against something you have never experienced? I love people that do that.
cause i know what happens when under the influence. those laws are put there to keep people from doing stupid *. the law assumes that when i am 21, i am responesbile enough to drink and not do something stupid. and its right
Sorry to tell you this, but they are not put there to protect people. If they were put their to keep people from doing something stupid, they would prohibit alcohol entirely, and we all know how that went.
It was put there for financial gain. My dad explained it to me once, but I don't remember. Had to do with insurance companies.
Edit* and the same thing goes for all drugs. The laws against them are put there only for tax purposes. The government couldn't give a shit about you.
that is rediculous. Despite what some people might say, Maturity comes for a big part with age. Lower the required age, and you increase the chance someone who doesn't know how to use aclohol drinks and gets hurt.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
So you honestly feel you are not mature enough to make a responsible decision at your current age? I'm 20, and I've never been arrested, gotten a PI, or driven drunk unless I am very close to home. By very close I mean 2-3 miles at most. So you honestly feel too immature at age 20 and a half to drink a couple beers? That sucks.
And everyone you know is as responsible as you are Mojoe? I dont think the arguement is whether or not you are personally responsible with acohol. THe arguement is whether or not its a good thing for society as a whole. And read the statisitcs for ANY country and you'll find the answer is "no." Sure some EU countries have lower age limits and handle it better than the US. But the reason is not in the age limit. Its like xex hinted at (but only skimmed the surface on) that its more to do with their culture. The exerpt below is about france and the drinking culture;
"Adult drinking is controlled by group attitudes both toward the proper amount of drinking and proper behavior when drinking. Strong disapproval is expressed when an individual violates these standards and acts in an antisocial manner. "
The culture of drinking couldnt be more different in the USA. People dont drink with their families. Drinking is all about social power, independence and showing off (if anything peer pressure is to drink more than you can handle, not less). Not that that matters becasue people of the age should be able to drink for whatever reason. My point is, becasue it does not make things that much worse in France and Denmark does not mean it will be the same for us in the USA. There is NO logic in saying that changing a law will somehow change an imbedded culture.
In New Zealand they recently lowered the drinking age and saw a large increase in alcohol related injuries and fatalities. Now 75% of the people support moving the age back up.
A lot of you that are saying how cool this would be, love to post how stupid Americans are, so now your all for making them more stupid at a younger age? COme on now! Thats just "stupid!"
Dont go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. (Mark Twain)
I'm glad your opinion is more important than Reavo's and Xexima's.
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I'm glad your opinion is more important than Reavo's and Xexima's.
eh..?
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Without causing an accident -
First offense- 6 months probation from driving
second offense- 2 years
third offense- 5 years
fourth+ permanent suspension and posible jail time
Causing an accident
First offense- 5 years probation from driving
second offense/ causing an injury to a person - permanent revokation and possible jailtime
I also think that laws should keep people from driving on while on the cell phone. Studies have proven that this is actually worse than while intoxicated.
A plan to decrease the drinking age:
1.) make drinking age 20
2.) two years later decrease it to 19
3.) three years later decrease it to 18
4.) make it legal for people underage to drink with their parent's consent at their own residency
Wasn't the drinking age reduced to 18 right around Vietnam time due to people's arguments that if you could be drafted and die, you should be able to drink. Then it was raised again after the draft and war ended?
I think the best way to do it would be to get rid of the alcohol level or age so you could drink with your family or what not. But if you are drunk in public you get penalized/fined/incarecerated or something. Also I think if you get caught driving drunk your license should be taken away for a long time. Although I doubt the cultural mindset of American youth is not entirely set to responsible so I doubt it would work. Maybe if some famous celeberities had their licenses revoked for driving while intoxicated, it would send a message.
Also I learned something interesting in my accounting class the other day. Drug dealers can only deduct the cost of the goods from their income.
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Drug dealers can write off the cost of their wares when filing taxes?
How many drug dealers do you honestly believe are filing taxes?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Drug dealers can write off the cost of their wares when filing taxes?
How many drug dealers do you honestly believe are filing taxes?
That's what I was thinking. I deal "cookies" (I love you RoC) and I don't file anything, be it costs or revenues. Considering the GDP is calculated with finished, legal products, I don't see any way cookies could enter this equation.
What accounting class do you take, and what college do you attend?
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