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Vanguard Winter

Intro

This winter, after all the new years and christmas, my and my sons birthday. This game will release.
My best guess would be in the middle or end of february. But that doesnt mather, 2 weaks here and there will be nothing compared to how much time im most likely going to spend inside this world.
Are you unsure or nervous that this game wont meet youre expectations?


Im pretty calm about all this. It's certainly one of the worlds
absolutly most experienced mmorpg game creators. With a passion not
only to make games. But to make mmorpg games in a fantasy world.

The Game Will Grow


It might not meet everyones specific needs at release, But the money we spend each month on this mmorpg's will add to It's continued evolvement, adding new adventures and content.

If you are thinking, this might be a good game. Just hang on to that feeling and read everything "official" that you can about this game until release. Try it and if you like it, stick around. The game will grow with you, And it will grow with developers that has already made alot of the first time misstakes. Remember that this is as much an adventure to them as it is to you.

Another way to see it is,
if you forget about the money and the developers and all that. Imagine that this game is like a book. You cant start to read a book when youre in a realy bad mood, or if you knew that you dislike the writer of the book. Then youre first time experience will be clouded by things that hasent got anything to do with youre ingame/book experience.

Let's all just welcome this game with open arms!
It's our timespace in life. Let's try to make the best of it!




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Comments

  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    I think you're going a little over the top here, I mean wether it flops and is binned after 6 months or is a massive success your post seems a bit disturbing in my opinion.

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • WarspineWarspine Member Posts: 105
    So does youres

    If this post disturbes you. What do you think youres do?
    I try to keep peoples spirit up about a game. Youre bitching on people trying to be possitive.
  • WarspineWarspine Member Posts: 105

    Originally posted by Agricola1
    I think you're going a little over the top here, I mean wether it flops and is binned after 6 months or is a massive success your post seems a bit disturbing in my opinion.

    I didnt understand this guy's post. Why did he post it. So i had to look what kind of poster he is, and he is accualy bitching on me becouse (what i think) he dislike in others, or otherthings.
    In otherword. He is taking out on me, what he dislike about this game, and the developers.

    This is a few or mr Agricola1's previous comments.

    Brad is worshipped like a minor eastern Pacific Island deity because he
    makes a decent MMO then after 6 months takes the money an runs.

    In my opinion Brad = a bail out early artists.

    VANGUARD: Sold Out Halfprice

    Hardcore PvPer = Someone who plays to PvP, everything he/she does in the game is directed to improving their PvP ability.

    Carebear = A PvPer that whines because the fight wasn't fair.

    Why don't more people take pride in being a hardcore PvEer? Or hardcore scammer?

    I too used to play the evil that is known as SWG, and suffered the lies
    of SOE. Believe me from one SOE hater to another CCP are a very good
    company. They've never lied to me nor cheated me out of my money, or
    stabbed me in the back and changed the game to get more money. I've
    played EVE for over 18 months now and CCP have treated me like I'm a
    customer, not like a number on a balance sheet.

    1: SWG: I felt like I'd been mugged in a dark alley and had all my cash stolen by the time I'd canceled.

    2: AO: You call that SCI-FI? I spent half the time killing unicorns with daggers, everywhere else was deserted!

    3: EQ: Bah!



    So, in other word

    Agricola1 Hates SOE, he dislike killing unicorns with dagger and other fantasy style games apperantly. And he refers to pve'ers as whiners.

    So ofcourse i he has to come here and complain about me, accualy talking good about a game he hates
  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

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    So, in other word

    Agricola1 Hates SOE, he dislike killing unicorns with dagger and other fantasy style games apperantly. And he refers to pve'ers as whiners.

    So ofcourse i he has to come here and complain about me, accualy talking good about a game he hates

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    I mostly agree with your summary, although I didn't refer to PVE'ers as whiners at any point although they do their fair share I suppose.

    I'm not complaining about you talking about a game I hate, I've never played Vanguard so have no idea what it's like. I believe I've never said that Vanguard is going to be either good or bad, though you might prove me wrong :)

    All I was saying is that I found your post rather disturbing, considering you've never played Vanguard either it seems very over the top. I simply felt you were being more than positive, a little over zealous considering you haven't played it and have only seen some screen shots. I apologise if it seemed I was complaining about the game or being over critical of you personnaly but this wasn't my intention, and am sorry if I left you with that impression.

    And BTW CCP is the next best thing to Meg Ryan in my opinion! (if you found that disturbing imagine if I'd got Meg Ryan an CCP the wrong way around!)

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • WarspineWarspine Member Posts: 105
    Thank you for youre latest post, and yes i accualy took it personaly when you thought it to be disturbing.
    The reson why i lift the game to the sky's is that alot of people are talking bad about the game. There is so many good things to look at. And a few movies aswell if you realy look for them.
    Ahwell, im glad you posted in a friendly manner...




  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977



    Originally posted by Warspine
    Thank you for youre latest post, and yes i accualy took it personaly when you thought it to be disturbing.
    The reson why i lift the game to the sky's is that alot of people are talking bad about the game. There is so many good things to look at. And a few movies aswell if you realy look for them.
    Ahwell, im glad you posted in a friendly manner...




    No problem, sorry if I came over nasty although as you know I do have my opinions on SOE and Brad. SOE I've had very bad experiences with and although I don't like fantasy I was displeased to see them publish Vanguard. I know that everyone says that the buck stops with Sigil, so you'll have to forgive me for my prejudice there. Although I know it's prejudice I just refuse to believe otherwise, not because I don't believe Sigil but because I could never trust SOE. As for Brad I know he's very good at making an MMORPG, but he still needs to prove that he can see it out after it's gone live in my opinion and Vanguard will be a test of that.

    I think the biggest hurdle for Vanguard will be the competition though, looking at all the other releases about the same time it'll be tough for Sigil. Perhaps this is one reason they chose SOE, as despite my blind hatred for them I must admit they're very good at advertising and selling a product.

    I wouldn't worry about people talking bad about Vanguard right now, my question would be how will it stand up to the competition on release? If Vanguard is released when it's ready then it'll get a head start, as I'm certain some of those new titles will be rushed out early and bomb (it's the law of averages with MMO's). Leaving those other fantasy gamers to migrate to Vanguard.

    I do hate the fantasy genre but I don't hate a good game or company that made it, I might not like GW because it's fantasy but it doesn't mean I think the game is bad.

    Well goodluck with Vanguard and I hope it lives up to your expectations (it'd be nice to see Sigil buyout SOE and publish it themselves at somepoint, then I might try it!)


     

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    why do people always need to rag on eachother?


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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by Warspine

    The Game Will Grow


    It might not meet everyones specific needs at release, But the money we spend each month on this mmorpg's will add to It's continued evolvement, adding new adventures and content.

    If you are thinking, this might be a good game. Just hang on to that feeling and read everything "official" that you can about this game until release.




    Nah, if it doesn't have a raid-free server at launch, I am not buying it.  Raid-free server doesn't needs to be fully operational and polished, yet it has to be "working" at launch.  I can wait a few more months before they fix such issues, such as giving all raid-loot (including these in expansions at their release) in a grouping/merchant way.

     

    If it get a raid-free server later, it will depend what competitors offer, but if a competitor offer a raid-free server at their launch, it ain't looking good at all.  If the raid-free server is chronically behind the regulars as to update, it might also make me leave, yet at launch, such a thing is acceptable temporarily.  image

     

    As simple as that.  I am not buying this game without raid-free server.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    lol why do you want a raid free server thats so boring


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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by achellis
    lol why do you want a raid free server thats so boring



    lol why do you want a raiding server, thats so boring.  image

     

    I group, and I welcome any non-raiding activity.  That is basically why.  Raiding is boring IMO, I have no problems about what happen on other servers, yet in my courtyard, I do, and raiding won't be enforced on me, never again.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    raiding is what keeps mmo's going


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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by achellis
    raiding is what keeps mmo's going



    Raiding is what make casuals leave and never come back.  And other players such as me.  image

     

    Having satisfied customers is more important than whatever meager thing raiding give in the SHORT TERM, it is extremely damaging in the long run.  Raiding is to a MMO what cocaine is to humans.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    wow you hazve bad points


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  • TrubadurenTrubaduren Member Posts: 575
    I'm just affraid its going to be nothing what i excpected (though that would be quite weird) but i hope it will go well!

    Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.

  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311


    Originally posted by achellis
    lol why do you want a raid free server thats so boring

    /sigh don't get him started....i am begging you ::::33::

  • SouvecSouvec Member Posts: 698

    Originally posted by achellis
    raiding is what keeps mmo's going
    Raiding is what you implement when you don't have enough content or creativity in a game to keep people going.  If you don't have an open ended system that allows you to truely be free, then you have to have some gimmick at the end of a characters life to get that subscriber to continue paying that monthly fee.  Otherwise its reroll after reroll.


  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    personally i like to raid

    and ik many that enjoy it also



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  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    It's not that he doesn't like raiding, from his past posts it seems clear he doesn't like the fact that they get rewards exclusive to raiders.

    If you don't like raiding then don't do it, PVE and if you want that special item buy it with your hard earned cash. I doubt Vanguard would be launched with a raid free server, probably just PvP and Non-PvP servers at most, until there is a demand otherwise.

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • WarspineWarspine Member Posts: 105
    Accualy Vanguard has posted information that say that the best items doesnt only come from raids. My guess is that you can "solo" gathering loads of componants and maybe craft youreself teh ubah sword of doom, if you got the diplomacy to use the ubah forge of doom in the kings blacksmith etc etc.. loads of ideas i have about this but i wont go any deeper with it.


  • achellisachellis Member Posts: 542
    yeah but some of the most rare will come from raids


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  • RieveRieve Member UncommonPosts: 12
    Some of the most rare may well come from raids, but that won't be the only place, they will be crafted as well.  Seeing that your going to get rare drops for crafting ingrediants as well.

    Raiding on the other hand is a gap filler at best, gets you to endlessly run the same dungeon over and over in the hope of getting that one drop and winning the roll, or whatever system is in place for loot distribution.  It also starts the endless arguements within guilds of who gets what, when and what class is best suited to it.



  • TrubadurenTrubaduren Member Posts: 575



    Originally posted by achellis
    raiding is what keeps mmo's going


    You have looked to much on wow my friend, theres alot of other different things to do in the so called "end game". vanguard has for example housing, good crafting etc, lots of content citys bla bla.

    You pick it.

    Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by achellis
    yeah but some of the most rare will come from raids



    Which is why I will only buy the game if there is a raid-free server that award this loot in any non-raiding way, grouping preferably, but anything honestly, even the dreaded and evil PvP.

     

    I know more peoples who dislike or plainly hate raiding than peoples accepting to raid...

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by Rieve

    Raiding on the other hand is a gap filler at best, gets you to endlessly run the same dungeon over and over in the hope of getting that one drop and winning the roll, or whatever system is in place for loot distribution.  It also starts the endless arguements within guilds of who gets what, when and what class is best suited to it.



    The gap filler can be anything and I will be happy, as long as it is not this lame excuse of a sorry gameplay that is called raiding.  Anything is better than raiding. Grouping would be the best, but anything would be just fine.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • DrSmaShDrSmaSh Member UncommonPosts: 454

    Topic is... Byond... ::;^`::

    Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
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