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MUDflation might or not be a disease.
The remedies is like using a mace to kill a fly, not worth it, more damaging than any help.
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Originally posted by Dubel Game is turning into a WoW/EQ2 clone with every patch.
With this content it cant be wow.
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.
Originally posted by matraque Originally posted by Dubel Game is turning into a WoW/EQ2 clone with every patch.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Please dont make posts using only acronyms.
For anyone wondering.... TLC is "trivial loot code". In this case it means that NPCs a certain level below you would not drop loot. BOE is "bind on equip", which means once you equip an item, it can't be used by any one else.
Another good acronym that the OP should look in to is NDA.
On topic... I don't have any issue with either of these concepts in a game. BOE is better than "no drop" loot by far. It means you can still sell your loot, just not your used gear. I think it is a great way to keep the items a game world fluid. This is especially important in a game with a planned crafting based economy. Again, it doesn't mean you can't sell your loot. It just means that the perfect sword you are using is going to leave the game when you are done with it.
TLC is a more sticky subject. It can mean that you level out of range of a loot drop you are looking for, but it also keeps high level players out of content designed for lower levels. As long as certain items or NPCs can be flagged to ignore the TLC, it shouldn't ever get in the way of gameplay.
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TLC stops farming....
This is a good thing. High level players camping a lower level spawn just to farm the loot is not conducive to a healthy economy. This will encourage people to actually play the game and interact with crafters and such. I cant see there being a negative to this unless you are a farmer.
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BOE doesn't stop mudflation. Developers and developers alone are responsible for mudflation. BOE and TLC are two of the worst concepts ever put into an MMO. The worst is instancing.
Originally posted by Copeland BOE doesn't stop mudflation. Developers and developers alone are responsible for mudflation. BOE and TLC are two of the worst concepts ever put into an MMO. The worst is instancing.
Originally posted by Serenikill Originally posted by Copeland BOE doesn't stop mudflation. Developers and developers alone are responsible for mudflation. BOE and TLC are two of the worst concepts ever put into an MMO. The worst is instancing.
Quick and dirty econ 101: If the devs (federal reserve) put more money into the game then the economy can support then you get inflation and the value of money goes down (see Nazi Germany in WWII for a good example, inflation of over 1000%). Now if you limit the amount of total gold / money in the game world to a fixed amount that will never exceed a set value then there can be no rampant inflation since if prices rise too high there will be no funds to purchase goods and prices will turn or the sellers will go bankrupt.
Example: If I list the cape of uber badness for 10 gold and you list it for 1000 gold and there is only 100 gold in game guess who's price is within reach and who sits on their product forever. Granted a gross oversimplification but makes the point nonetheless.
Conclusion: The devs determine how much money is in the world, unfortunately in no game that I have ever played is there what would appear to be a ceiling on the amount of in game gold. It is limitless due to non-creative loot tables and drop rates. Rats don't carry gold or swords and humans do, so how can I kill rats forever and keep making cash? If there is an unlimited respawn of money dropping MOBs then there is no limit to the amount of total cash that can enter the economy. Therefore the Devs are responsible for coming up with new and innovative methods to control the amount cash in circulation hence limiting inflation.
Don't hold your breath, that would take real work and an understanding of economic principles that is way beyond any dev that I have ever communicated with.
Originally posted by Gnomad Originally posted by Serenikill Originally posted by Copeland BOE doesn't stop mudflation. Developers and developers alone are responsible for mudflation. BOE and TLC are two of the worst concepts ever put into an MMO. The worst is instancing.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Originally posted by sebbonx I hate both concepts, I really hate BOE, it's really stupid. I picked up this sword and now I can't drop it~! Really dumb, and I hate it in EQ1 (no drop), EQ2, and WoW. Axe it already.
dude u can drop the BOE u can sell it to the vendor if u wish it prevents u from selling it to another player and TLC prevents u from farming a instance to hell and back.
I like this idea, at least to the degree it prevents farming, and prevents high levels from farming an area which is appropriate for lower levels. PRevents misuse and artificially inflating the economy in game.
the way they are doing is two fold. BOE+TLC= prevents farming, and also TLC backs BOE up by preventing a high level player from looting lower level mobs that are out of their level range and looting a good item, even if its sellable to a vendor they still would be able to make sizable gold depending onthe object, hence inflation putting them in another tax bracket artificially.
this is a good thing, and I approve its use, if its executed properly. WOw BOE is similar that it prevents selling certain items, but still a high level player can farm items and still sell those items to a vendor and get some sizable silver or gold depending on how many times he or she solos the instance for items.
I think anyone who hates this is just another player who misuses the system for their own gain. Im all for making gold and good items but it should be overall in scope fair to other players. the system they have set up or are in the process of settting up prevents farming, looting, and bulk-selling to vendors.
Major THUMBS UP! keep it up brad, you won major brownie points on this one.
all i need is a better computer lol to play this damn game lol.
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Originally posted by vixyn TLC and BoE have their pro's... and their con's. Here is, in my opinion, a few of these:Trivial Loot Code:Pro's: No farmerbot's farming the lower level area's, taking away real player's chances at loot and experience.Better economy for new players - which increases the chance of keeping new players.Slows down prices dropping - again, for lower level players.Con's:You can't go out and farm tradeskill materials that you might need for lower level recipes.Not sure how this works in all games that have TLC, but in EQ2 this isn't the case. You can still get drops of tradeskill items from lower level mobs. You just won't be able to get any special or unique items from those mobs. So, if they did it that way in Vanguard then you would still be able to go out and gather all the tradeskill materials you would need for recipes.You can't help a newer player out by showing him the ropes - as nothing will then drop for the newer player if he/she is grouped with you.This too can be solved with a Mentoring type system. Basically meaning that when you group with someone a lot lower level than you, that you can temporarily drop down to their level so that the drops are in line with what they should be for that level. It's a nice system to have for bringing in new friends to a game. And means that you can group with your lower level friends with your higher level main rather than creating a new alt all the time.Much smaller amount of things for sale in the lower level range, as not everyone will be playing alts constantly.I guess I've never noticed this to be a problem on any MMO with TLC that I've played. The lower level items are ALWAYS in abundance. In fact, to the extent that true new players have a hard time making money as the stuff that they acquire is just too abundant. Bind on Equip items:Pro's:Your Uber Sword of Kickbutt is worth more on the market, since it's rarer this way.Your crafted items are worth more, since they can't be reused.I... can't think of any other pro's.As long as you don't equip the item (because it's for another class, or you already have one, etc.) It can be traded/sold exactly the same as non-BOE items.Con's:You can't pass on gear to that lower level friend/guildmate/person you run into when you outgrow it.Yes, that is true. You can still sell it to a NPC vendor though.Much smaller amount of items for sale, as most things aren't reuseable.Which is a good thing if you want your items to be worth more money. The fewer of them on the market - the more they are worth. Bad though, if you are the buyer; and are trying to find that really nice BOE item.Big money sink. If you can't resell an item later on, you're pretty much only paying out - with not much ocming back from it, since you KNOW NPC vendors are not going to pay you market value for items.This is actually a good thing in regards to mudflation though. If you don't have as much or almost as much money going out as you do coming in; then you get a terribly inflated economy. Yes, the NPC won't give as much for that item as another player might have, but you still got use out of the item; and you'll still get some money for it.
Originally posted by Salvatoris Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Please dont make posts using only acronyms.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Hay, i like me some Tender Loving Care in my Bord Of Education, but im not sure our POS CAC will GAF.Is my point.
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Originally posted by EliasThorne Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Hay, i like me some Tender Loving Care in my Bord Of Education, but im not sure our POS CAC will GAF.Is my point.
See, there was not enough TLC in my BOE so.....Yeah. I just dont think that topic titles should be using Acronyms when they are notdefined in the posting.
Personally, I'd rather have a Trivial Loot Code than have jerkwads 20 levels higher than me zoom past me in a dungeon that is DESIGNED for players my level, take a kill that would have been ours otherwise and then sell then sell my item back to me for an inflated prices.
I'm not too big on gaming economies. I don't do alot of buying/selling in MMOs I play. But I do know that there is a major difference between real economies and MMO economies. In Real economies, there is wear and tear. Cars break down, shirts get ripped, couches get worn, plates break....yadda ya. If nothing broke in the real world, there wouldn't BE an economy...so the devs need to come up with some way of removing items from the game...and I just haven't heard any other viable alternative.