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The thing is there are more elements these games share in common than there are that set them apart.Jean-Luc_Picard said:GW2 or ESO are about as much WoW clones than WoW is an AC1 clone... I mean, AC1 had quests, WoW has quests, they can only be clones right?Eldurian said:Absolutely. The themepark model is probably the most cloned model in history.
I've already cited 3 examples of MMOs that do not qualify as WoW clones by my definition. EVE, Runescape, Wurm. There are other titles that could fit in there. Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc. I'm not going to give game devs a pass and say "These are not clones" just because 99% of MMO developers choose to make clones though.
But the ammount of features shared in common by themeparks is narrow enough to consider them all clones IMO. Age of Empires and Total War exist in the same genre (Real time strategy.) Empire Earth is an Age of Empires clone because it follows the same general model. Total War is not, it just shares a few key elements.
Themeparks aren't a real genre. It's just a label thrown over the same general game model cloned so many times people started calling it a genre.
No I don't think it's good. People often defend grinding and progression as the "Hero's Journey." Think about your favorite Hero's Journeys. If you think about them they all have setbacks. Luke had 1 less hand and lightsaber at the end of Empire Starts back than he did at the start. Most good stories have the hero losing sometimes. Whether it be the loss of a valuable item, a limb, or most frequently a trusted ally, most heros do lose something.laxie said:Do you think the forward-only progression is good?Eldurian said:
Realistic progression isn't a problem. The linear (In that you never go backwards) / vertical (In that progression makes you inherently stronger than others who haven't progressed to your level) / exponential (in that your power level is many times of the strength of those a few levels behind you) progression common to MMOs is.
I can see how de-progression would make things more interesting, but I also assume many people are strongly opposed to the idea of losing progress.
Yeah if the sky was going to fall without net neutrality it would have fallen before it became a thing in 2015:Horusra said:For me has less to to with political bias and more to do with economic belief. I believe free market capitalism is the driver of innovation. When someone can make some cash people will compete for it. Net Neutrality removes that drive. While without there is, I hope, a desire for companies to provide new and better service than someone else to get your money.