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  • Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

    Torval said:
    I'm surprised there aren't more people outraged that so many people got screwed over after donating in good faith. In this case gamers literally got cheated out of their money. Sad. I hope that team is held accountable.
    That's why I mentioned working with these developers and providing close oversight would be a much better option than forcing them to work on the shady ends of legality.  Forcing them to keep detailed cost and revenue records and turning over all proceeds above operating costs to the original creator seems like a much better compromise for everyone involved than making an example out of a server once in a blue moon and allowing things like this to happen otherwise.
    GdemamiPhry
  • Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

    Ozmodan said:
    Tamanous said:
    Albatroes said:

    Tamanous said:






    Incorrect. Now you just nitpicking to make a point.

    My point is now, and always will be, that the only way for Blizzard to take ownership of this issue is to host legacy servers themselves. How that iteration would be done is something I cannot predict. I speak of why players are attracted to the Nost/Elysium/Lightshope philosophy of Wow emulation and the current meta of emulators running.

    I do not defend private emulators ... I merely give the facts of why they exist. What is to defend? The reasons they exist won't go away because of your opinion. You can choose not to play on them but to argue over what is right or wrong does not change what is reality.

    The reason why emulators have cash shops is because costs of development and hosting demand it. Because of the loops they must jump through to keep them running to avoid legal issues they are limited by their methods. Who profits by how much and the methodology used can be a choice behind why someone supports it or not but that is not my point.

    You may choose any reason why not to support it just like I choose not to support Blizzard for the legalized corruption they profit from. I do not support developers who now use F2P marketing strategy and who reshape their products to different market groups against the wishes of their original audience. This goes for any product and not just within the video game market.

    I will not be a lemming standing by watching the the free market collapse under oligarchy control without expressing whatever influence is left to us lowly consumers. The consumer is a product now, and the ignorance expressed by many of you here condones this. 50% of Americans just had their full identity information leaked yet the company at fault will only profit from this due to current laws protecting them and not the citizen. You do nothing and let it happen. F2P and meta-marketed games with nearly zero diversity in genre has taken over video games. You do nothing and let it happen.

    What is legal does explicitly mean what is right. Legality is not a static concept. It evolves and it's evolution currently progresses to protecting the rights of business and not the consumer. This has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on here.

    This is the core concept of consumerism and capitalism: a consumer demand exists and this demand is met by business venture. What is the demand here? Legacy Wow. Is the market providing a product to meet his demand? Yes. Is the business that created this demand making this product? No.

    Who is perpetuating this demand by not providing the ONLY legal solution? Blizzard.

    Blizzard holds the cards. Blizzard is using the law to not support the very concept of consumerism. The law is the inhibitor of consumerism within a so called capitalistic country. This is the modern trend of business. This is what the ignorant consumer supports who hides behind the very laws that no longer protects their interests. They very video game market you support makes niche game development harder and harder for independent development. Choice is swallowed up by nearly unmitigated mergers ... in nearly all areas of business.

    If you argue against the concept of why the demand of legacy Wow exists (whether it's currently legal or not) ... you argue against your very right as a consumer. Your ignorance is so clear it is sublime.

    This is the last I post on this. Time and time again it becomes apparent to me that the vast majority of posters hear lack the free thinking capacity to comprehend the current nature of how industry works today and where it's headed. These are fruitless debates.
    That is Blizzard's choice not these idiots running private servers.  Why would any intelligent being even bother with a private server, all of the self destruct either through shenanigans like this one of through action by Blizzard.  All their private servers are essentially thieves.  The only thing I see in this post is a lot of self justification for doing something that is dumb.
    Pirates will always defend their pirating ways.

    First its, DRM oh no! ...but witcher 3 had no DRM and was still heavily pirated

    Too many microtransactions! oh no! but witcher 3 had free DLC and amazing expansions...and was still heavily pirated

    Pirates and thieves will always defend their actions, because they know its stealing and wrong but don't want to look like criminals and petty thieves.
    I sense a level of butthurt from you on this topic. 

    Did someone steal your favorite Legos when you were a kid?
    No, but it seems like you are the one who seems butthurt. Your the only one here throwing insults and not bringing anything meaningful to the discussion. 

    Pretty pathetic anyone would defend thievery and pirating, but as they say...thieves band together and defend themselves. Everyone in this thread or reads the thread can see who pirates and steals games, its pretty obvious.


    No, I attempted a reasonable debate with you.  You didn't seem to understand what a false dichotomy was, ignoring my response to regurgitate the same drivel you've been spouting, almost verbatim, over and over.

    So I figured I would speak at a level you seem to understand.  So, who was it who stole your Legos?  Was it Chad?  Chad was such a douche.  I heard he was the Elysium staff member who was pocketing the donations!
    GdemamiTheScavengertimtrackXingbairong
  • Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

    Ozmodan said:
    Tamanous said:
    Albatroes said:

    Tamanous said:






    Incorrect. Now you just nitpicking to make a point.

    My point is now, and always will be, that the only way for Blizzard to take ownership of this issue is to host legacy servers themselves. How that iteration would be done is something I cannot predict. I speak of why players are attracted to the Nost/Elysium/Lightshope philosophy of Wow emulation and the current meta of emulators running.

    I do not defend private emulators ... I merely give the facts of why they exist. What is to defend? The reasons they exist won't go away because of your opinion. You can choose not to play on them but to argue over what is right or wrong does not change what is reality.

    The reason why emulators have cash shops is because costs of development and hosting demand it. Because of the loops they must jump through to keep them running to avoid legal issues they are limited by their methods. Who profits by how much and the methodology used can be a choice behind why someone supports it or not but that is not my point.

    You may choose any reason why not to support it just like I choose not to support Blizzard for the legalized corruption they profit from. I do not support developers who now use F2P marketing strategy and who reshape their products to different market groups against the wishes of their original audience. This goes for any product and not just within the video game market.

    I will not be a lemming standing by watching the the free market collapse under oligarchy control without expressing whatever influence is left to us lowly consumers. The consumer is a product now, and the ignorance expressed by many of you here condones this. 50% of Americans just had their full identity information leaked yet the company at fault will only profit from this due to current laws protecting them and not the citizen. You do nothing and let it happen. F2P and meta-marketed games with nearly zero diversity in genre has taken over video games. You do nothing and let it happen.

    What is legal does explicitly mean what is right. Legality is not a static concept. It evolves and it's evolution currently progresses to protecting the rights of business and not the consumer. This has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on here.

    This is the core concept of consumerism and capitalism: a consumer demand exists and this demand is met by business venture. What is the demand here? Legacy Wow. Is the market providing a product to meet his demand? Yes. Is the business that created this demand making this product? No.

    Who is perpetuating this demand by not providing the ONLY legal solution? Blizzard.

    Blizzard holds the cards. Blizzard is using the law to not support the very concept of consumerism. The law is the inhibitor of consumerism within a so called capitalistic country. This is the modern trend of business. This is what the ignorant consumer supports who hides behind the very laws that no longer protects their interests. They very video game market you support makes niche game development harder and harder for independent development. Choice is swallowed up by nearly unmitigated mergers ... in nearly all areas of business.

    If you argue against the concept of why the demand of legacy Wow exists (whether it's currently legal or not) ... you argue against your very right as a consumer. Your ignorance is so clear it is sublime.

    This is the last I post on this. Time and time again it becomes apparent to me that the vast majority of posters hear lack the free thinking capacity to comprehend the current nature of how industry works today and where it's headed. These are fruitless debates.
    That is Blizzard's choice not these idiots running private servers.  Why would any intelligent being even bother with a private server, all of the self destruct either through shenanigans like this one of through action by Blizzard.  All their private servers are essentially thieves.  The only thing I see in this post is a lot of self justification for doing something that is dumb.
    Pirates will always defend their pirating ways.

    First its, DRM oh no! ...but witcher 3 had no DRM and was still heavily pirated

    Too many microtransactions! oh no! but witcher 3 had free DLC and amazing expansions...and was still heavily pirated

    Pirates and thieves will always defend their actions, because they know its stealing and wrong but don't want to look like criminals and petty thieves.
    I sense a level of butthurt from you on this topic. 

    Did someone steal your favorite Legos when you were a kid?
    TheScavengerXingbairongJunglecharly
  • Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

    There is no difference between free servers (when the original servers are still up and running) and pirating. Both are stealing revenue from the developers. 

    The only time private servers are good is if an MMO has been shut down. Otherwise its a bunch of freeloaders.

    I wonder how many people here in this thread would be for stealing EVE Online servers and hosting FREE Eve Online servers for everyone to play without paying for the game? 

    Same thing as stealing WoW servers.  
    If you're going to completely ignore rebuttals to your argument just to repeat yourself, you might as well drop the facade and go full troll.  Or better yet, just LOL like gdemami so we don't have to scroll past the inane over and over.
    I don't approve of pirating or stealing from developers or companies. Pirating and stealing isn't worth my time to defend, because everyone knows its wrong (and illegal in many cases, since Blizzard for example has shut down private servers before)

    Do you approve of stealing and pirating then?

    Only two answers, yes you do and you love private servers, or no you don't and don't approve of private servers stealing from developers.

    Which one is it?
    And yet you still miss it completely.  False dichotomies aren't strong arguments.
    TheScavengerGdemamiXingbairong
  • Elysium 'Private Server' Shuts Down Temporarily Due to Financial Shenanigans - World of Warcraft - M

    There is no difference between free servers (when the original servers are still up and running) and pirating. Both are stealing revenue from the developers. 

    The only time private servers are good is if an MMO has been shut down. Otherwise its a bunch of freeloaders.

    I wonder how many people here in this thread would be for stealing EVE Online servers and hosting FREE Eve Online servers for everyone to play without paying for the game? 

    Same thing as stealing WoW servers.  
    If you're going to completely ignore rebuttals to your argument just to repeat yourself, you might as well drop the facade and go full troll.  Or better yet, just LOL like gdemami so we don't have to scroll past the inane over and over.
    TheScavengerJamesGoblinManWithNoTanEponyxDamor