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  • Star Citizen Wins Prestigious "Worst MMO Business Model Of 2017" Award

    Orinori said:
    Vrika said:
    Orinori said:
    Vrika said:
    Orinori said:
    Because simply put: each spaceship they sell generates a certain amount of work, and they have been selling spacecraft at a faster rate than they are completing them or the game.  They moved from even selling ships to selling "concepts" of ships.  They have even gone back and had to retouch some of the older ships it has been so long.  It is not sustainable, and they seem to have been floating their company on hope and good will. 

    Hence, "stopgap measure".

    The move to start selling land was a smart one, if not entirely unexpected, provided they need the extra cashflow to complete the MVP.

    Otherwise, it's just greedy. 
    Yet majority of all funds comes from new backers buying single ship.

    Why do you all have these weird fantasies about a million odd people buying and buying and buying more then buying more and more and more..........

    Very few will buy land. It is a supplement, just as sales and lti ships and all that nonsense is. If they got rid of all that they might need to down size, but they would still be fine with just newcomer funding with a single ship.
    This year Star Citizen has made more than $140 per every new person registering on their website, and that includes free registrations.

    They might have once gotten most of their funds from new backers, but not any more.
    The few business ventures during sales are sure to skew the figures. But my 3 day example above is pretty clear.
    I picked up data for whole 2017.

    Source for my data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMAP0fg-AKScI3S3VjrDW3OaLO4zgBA1RSYoQOQoNSI
    It doesn't change my comments at all. But thanks for the link....again!

    edit (you can also look forward to me necroing that thread of the last time you gave me this link after the xmas sales :) )
    Actually that post wasn't meant for you. It was so that other forum readers wouldn't have to wonder where we're pulling those numbers from.
  • Premium Currency to be Introduced in Early 2018 - Crowfall - MMORPG.com


    The date for Early Bird Guild Rewards program looks like it's wrong, it can't be identical to date for Earliest Bird Guild Rewards program.

    It looks like the mistake is on Crowfall's website.
  • UPDATE: Crytek Files Copyright Infringement Suit, Cloud Imperium Responds - Star Citizen News

    Vrika said:
    Talonsin said:
    Hurray for crowdfunded money being used to settle legal issues due to bad management!
    That does present a whole other strand of hairy to this: if the settlement or judgement rendered does say "CIG, you folks intentionally broke the agreement and as such you owe Crytek X amount of money" ...  Do backers owe that money?  Should CIG and the employees responsible pony up that cash separate of backer funds?

    If this does end in a settlement or judgement against CIG, it will be an important legal point for all crowdfunded projects to take note of.

    Personally feel that intentionally misleading or committing acts that would create such a liability should not be assessed against the fund pool backers have contributed.  If it could be reasonably decided that CIG acted out of innocent ignorance but still violated the agreement, backer money should be used to cover such settlements or judgements.
    1. Backers don't owe anyone anything. They already paid when they made their purchase, and won't need to pay extra no matter what happens.

    2. There is no special pool of backer money. After a backer transfers the money to CIG, it's CIG's and will be used to pay for CIG's expenses, including paying Crytek for possible damages

    3. CIG's owners, managers, and employees don't need to pay anything. In some cases it's possible that owner/manager/employee must pay compensation because they've caused damages, but that's normally only when someone has committed a crime or ignored their responsibilities. Making bad decision while working - even if those decision leads to the company breaking agreements - is not serious enough that you'd need to pay for those damages personally.
    I wasn't implying that backers would be required to shell puts extra cash for this.  The pool I mentioned is simply the funding received, not that I think they've taken the funder money and put it in a room or account somewhere and aren't touching it.  I'm saying, should the courts order CIG to pay damages, should CIG be allowed to use the funds garnered from crowdfunding to pay that (as well as the lawyer fees associated), or should CIG be expected to fund that separately?

    That's why I quoted Talonsin.  Should backer funding be used to support a legal defense of a company breaking contract obligations, particularly if done knowingly?
    Yes. Legal expenses are also a part of the company's expenses.

    If it means that RSI goes bankrupt then the situation sucks for backers, but people will just have to be careful what they back.
  • Around the Verse - Exploring Gravlev Technology - Star Citizen Videos - MMORPG.com

    alloin said:
    Hey guys, is this game worth buying? I see a lot of comments on the performance, but I have one of the best possible computers available and have yet to test it's full potential. This game looks like a challenge!
    It's not worth buying at its current state.

    Star Citizen might become good game one day, or it might not, but currently it's not far enough in its development yet. There's too little content and many of the game mechanics are still missing. If you're looking to play now, you'll have to look elsewhere.

    Star Citizen has occasional free trial evens when everyone can log in and test the game for free for a couple of days. You might want to test the game out during one of those, and if you like the game buy it after testing. Just as long as you bear in mind that it's still years away from being finished.
  • WoW Player DDOSes Teammates to Secure Raid Spot for World First Hunt - World of Warcraft - MMORPG.co

    Dakeru said:

    DMKano said:

    You want to send a kid who s 5min late to school to prison too?

    ...Hacking another person is a crime.

    You are from some country where they still burning witches at stakes?
    Rofl, there is no court which would send you to jail for plain DDoS :D
    DDOS is a crime, an you can get jail sentence for DDOS if you do enough: