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  • Star Citizen 3.0 - Refusing Refunds


    But I do find it hard to believe that they can later turn what they have into a smoothly running game.
    Well, its build on the Cry Engine. Crysis (2007) started running good on Ultra High settings with my GTX980 card (2014). It is jsut a matter of patience. :smiley:

    But, yeah, he is right. Actual base line performance is not likely to improve, but hardware advances might make up for it over time. In that regard the prolonged development is working in their favor.
    Gdemami
  • Star Citizen 3.0 - Refusing Refunds

    Erillion said:

    If you get Star Citizen, play it for less than 2 hours and ask for a refund the next day (within CIG's 14 days timeframe) I am quite sure that you get a refund.

    According to the quote in the original post, the timeframe was more than 14 days (or 30 days).


    Have fun
    Do not compare to steam. What steam does is legal and sneaky. They sell early access which happens to also give you the final product, thus delivery is instant. CIG are selling items in the final release game, with beta access as a bonus. Ups. Not as sneaky as Steam, thus delivery can only be considered complete upon final game delivery. (EU)

    it is all in the wording.
    Gdemami
  • Star Citizen 3.0 - Refusing Refunds

    Erillion said:
    hfztt said:
    Kyleran said:

    People keep treating this as if they've "bought" something which is clearly not the case.

    In the EU they take TAX on the payment: Ergo its a purchase not a donation. No real debate needed. They are under full EU customer protection.
    Lawyers seem to disagree that no debate is needed when it comes to crowdfunding.

    First it needs to be completely know what type of crowdfunding Star Citizen is
    https://www.sosense.org/5-crowdfunding-models-know/
    I guess there is not even a consensus on that.


    Have fun

    Nope. Crowd funding does not legally exist. So you have to fit it into one of the two that does exist: Donation or purchase. They take tax, ergo, purchase. No debate.

    The debate is if there SHOULD be separate laws for crowdfunding as neither of the two existing categories fit the philosophy behind it. But from a legal point of view in the EU you are protected as long as the seller has a legal entity in the EU and thus by extension are covered by EU law, which CIG do.

    If you talk companies that raise crowdfunding money in the US from EU citizens without having a legal entity in EU, then, yes, it is a grey area.
    PhryOctagon7711ExcessionGdemami
  • Star Citizen 3.0 - Refusing Refunds

    Kyleran said:

    People keep treating this as if they've "bought" something which is clearly not the case.

    In the EU they take TAX on the payment: Ergo its a purchase not a donation. No real debate needed. They are under full EU customer protection.
    Turrican187Gdemami
  • Star Citizen - Alpha 3.0 out to Evocati player testers

    Orinori said:
    hfztt said:
    Orinori said:

    Edit: Also, I would like to say that CR is bound to feel a large amount of pressure and is beholden to his backers to some degree. If the base ever turned on him it probably would have been all over. I am sure 3.0 being rolled out is a massive relief to all at CIG. 
    I do not get you guys. You spend years explaining you are ready to wait for whatever time it takes to make that BDSSE. When someone like me then points that fact out, then we are wrong too...

    * Sigh *

    PS. Hi, Max, good to have you back.
    But that's only because majority of backers are actually happy with what they are seeing, the progress and the direction. You think there are no limits to majority support of backers? 


    and im not max! i am ori!  
    At this point, no. I really do not think that they can loose support from the already over invested fan base. Sunken cost, etc.. You know the argument.

    In other news: For short while I thought that you guys trying to deny the lack of management skill around SC would be the biggest laugh of the day. Then I jumped on Mr. Smarts Twitter stream. Oh. My. God. The guy is having a total melt down. He has made like 20 posts today trying to spin actual progress into a disaster story. Desperation is setting in. Good times.
    Orinori