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  • Star Wars Battlefront II AMA Happening Today - 'This is Fine' - MMORPG.com News

    laserit said:
    immodium said:
    immodium said:
    And all that without even acknowledging the elephant in the room that makes digital lootbox much, much worse than any physical trading card game:

    If Magic stops making cards, you still have the cards in your possession.  In fact, those cards are likely to objectively increase in value.

    If EA shutters BF2, they can literally reduce the value of the items won to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, to the point of legally and actively preventing you from enjoying any value out of them.  Just as the lootbox winnings in Overwatch, and just as the lootbox winnings in any other online game.  Wizards of the Coast can't force you to send them their cards back.
    That's not unique to lootboxes. Look at the amount of MMO's people own that they can't play due to being shutdown.

    You can argue that many games with purchasable loot boxes are prolonging the life of the product they've purchased.
    It's not, but it's a key difference that makes the comparison to physical trading cards inaccurate and misleading.
    But labeling loot boxes gambling is also inaccurate and misleading.

    Gambling implies you can lose, you never lose with loot boxes. Whether you got what you wanted from it is irrelevant. You get something of cash value regardless.

    If it is classed as gambling it's the best form of gambling as you always win.
    So...

    If the casino gives me a gumball after I lose my bet at the blackjack table it's not gambling.

    I think I'm going to open up another business.
    In casinos you are betting money, to win money. Lootbox logic is the minimum product you are getting justifies the price tag, anything else you get, is just free bonus. 

    I know that sucks as well. To be honest I prefer casinos--that's how I paid for my school and my first business--but your example doesn't apply here mate. That's why we (by we I mean you guys, I don't need any laws, anarchy till death do us apart!) need new laws for publishers and in-game lootboxes. 

    What is clear if some random game had pulled this crap no one would've cared. They are taking advantage of a popular IP with a huge fanbase.  
    Not in my casino (cough) I mean gumball store.
    ConstantineMerusMadFrenchie
  • Star Wars Battlefront II AMA Happening Today - 'This is Fine' - MMORPG.com News

    immodium said:
    immodium said:
    And all that without even acknowledging the elephant in the room that makes digital lootbox much, much worse than any physical trading card game:

    If Magic stops making cards, you still have the cards in your possession.  In fact, those cards are likely to objectively increase in value.

    If EA shutters BF2, they can literally reduce the value of the items won to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, to the point of legally and actively preventing you from enjoying any value out of them.  Just as the lootbox winnings in Overwatch, and just as the lootbox winnings in any other online game.  Wizards of the Coast can't force you to send them their cards back.
    That's not unique to lootboxes. Look at the amount of MMO's people own that they can't play due to being shutdown.

    You can argue that many games with purchasable loot boxes are prolonging the life of the product they've purchased.
    It's not, but it's a key difference that makes the comparison to physical trading cards inaccurate and misleading.
    But labeling loot boxes gambling is also inaccurate and misleading.

    Gambling implies you can lose, you never lose with loot boxes. Whether you got what you wanted from it is irrelevant. You get something of cash value regardless.

    If it is classed as gambling it's the best form of gambling as you always win.
    So...

    If the casino gives me a gumball after I lose my bet at the blackjack table it's not gambling.

    I think I'm going to open up another business.
    IselinConstantineMerusimmodium
  • Star Wars Battlefront II AMA Happening Today - 'This is Fine' - MMORPG.com News

    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    CrazKanuk said:

    I'd rather know exactly what I'm paying for. Simple as that really.

    ....and, yes, I think when gambling is in a game it should be given the maximum age rating and someone needs to enforce that. You know why? Because if an 18 or R rating is slapped on all games with loot boxes, we'll quickly see loot boxes disappear.

    So you're ok with buying X gun via the cash shop for $100? If that's cool with you then great, I get your POV. Thanks for the comment. 
    No one would be happy with that. When have you ever seen anything priced that high? Exaggerating your point to the extreme doesn't defend your POV one bit. 

    A fully furnished clockwork observatory is 15,000 Crowns in ESO. If you buy those crowns off sale it would cost ~$125. It would take 10 months of sub time spending those Crowns on nothing else to buy it via sub. On sale you might be able to grab it for around $75. I don't think he's exaggerating at all. I can think of several other games and many other examples.
    Ok, well, that's ridiculous. We should start a reddit post and stop that shit. AND they have loot boxes. ESO is worse than Battlefront 2, everyone needs to divert their attention at them instead. It is just cosmetic though.. soo.. I guess it's not really the same thing.

    Fuck me though, everyone always talks one extreme or the other. You think that because I don't want to ever see loot boxes that I want to be ass raped by overpriced single items? I mean, is that really what you think I'm trying to say here?
    You said he was exaggerating. I'm saying he's not. Continue tilting.
    Tilting? I just acknowledged your point and commented on it.

    How about you get specific then MR. Clever Clogs and find me a gun or weapon in a game that's part of a progression system and got a price of $100 on it?

    Some people here really are a piece of work..
    The thing is if the gun has a price tag of $100 you can decide whether its worth it to you or not. It doesn't matter if it cost a million bucks. At least your informed. 

    Put that gun in a $4-$5 loot box and who knows how much its going to cost before you get it.
    IselinGdemami
  • Star Wars Battlefront II AMA Happening Today - 'This is Fine' - MMORPG.com News

    CrazKanuk said:
    laserit said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    laserit said:
    I don't want to be punished though my taxes because of dumb fucks spending their rent and not being able to feed their children because their addiction to this tripe.

    Again, what are we solving here? Are we solving for the 80% or are we solving for the 20%? Actually, it's more like we're probably solving for the 0.005%. We're essentially suggesting to implement something to prevent someone from spending all their money on it, which would be an exceptional case. I would suggest that regardless of the regulations put in place, whatever the game companies counter with, this person would still have a problem and end up spending all their money on it, whether it be a straight-up cash shop or some other gimmick. What you're suggesting is that we create a bubble room for people who can't control themselves, instead of maybe creating a MUCH less expensive support system for these types of people (or the ones who WANT help) in order to actually HELP them. 
    It's a predatory business practice.

    I'm a manufacturer, I make metal parts and I have regulations that I have to abide by. Just because its the entertainment industry doesn't mean they should get a free pass.

    How about when you buy your next house you buy it via a loot box and that will decide whether you get a mansion or a bamboo hut.

    I'm not certain why it's predatory. Again, if we go back to trading cards, are they predatory? I would say if anything was predatory here it was the progression system. 
    Its a fine line

    If purchasing trading cards were at your finger tips 24/7 and gave you instant gratification. Yes I would classify them as predatory.
    laxieGdemami
  • Star Wars Battlefront II AMA Happening Today - 'This is Fine' - MMORPG.com News

    SEANMCAD said:
    laserit said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    laserit said:
    I don't want to be punished though my taxes because of dumb fucks spending their rent and not being able to feed their children because their addiction to this tripe.

    Again, what are we solving here? Are we solving for the 80% or are we solving for the 20%? Actually, it's more like we're probably solving for the 0.005%. We're essentially suggesting to implement something to prevent someone from spending all their money on it, which would be an exceptional case. I would suggest that regardless of the regulations put in place, whatever the game companies counter with, this person would still have a problem and end up spending all their money on it, whether it be a straight-up cash shop or some other gimmick. What you're suggesting is that we create a bubble room for people who can't control themselves, instead of maybe creating a MUCH less expensive support system for these types of people (or the ones who WANT help) in order to actually HELP them. 
    It's a predatory business practice.

    I'm a manufacturer, I make metal parts and I have regulations that I have to abide by. Just because its the entertainment industry doesn't mean they should get a free pass.

    How about when you buy your next house you buy it via a loot box and that will decide whether you get a mansion or a bamboo hut.
    regulations are usually limited to issues that directly affect health and safety or the larger economy.

    if we start to regulate games too much then the amount of regulations we would end up having in the economy as a whole would be outrageous..we cant go around regulating every business decision and consider it remotely like a free market economy
    Many regulations have nothing to do with health and safety and everything to do with protecting you from being rooked.

    What makes the entertainment industry so special as to be exempt.
    Gdemami