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Torval said:Albatroes said:I remember a time when most people were actually excited about an actual release of a game and not excited over paying to test a game for a company, but I guess everything changes overtime. Founder's packs, pre-orders with alpha/beta access, early access being considered alpha/not being considered alpha, companies releasing paid dlc/even having cash shops while in Early access lol. I'm pretty sure most older games dont miss the old game content as much as they miss the gaming integrity that companies used to have. Every developer feels they should break away from a major company and make the game "they and the fans always wanted" while most of them end up being cash grabs/failures. Change isn't always bad, but it definitely isn't always good.
I'm pretty sure for those of us who did do testing it was pretty exciting getting in. Just most of you didn't get in so there wasn't much buzz, that and they were under NDA so there wasn't much buzz. People did want in though and there was always a lot of talk around getting a test selection email.
Your post is the quintessential "rose colored glasesses" view. There hasn't been a dramatic shift in integrity over the past few years. There's been a dramatic shift in social connectivity and communication to discuss these things. Back in the day people like you complained about all the stuff you are now only from the other side - why do scummy developers not let everyone test, what are they hiding, they're all scammers, etc. How do you think we got where we are today with early access and open testing? Did you forget this is the cake you asked for a decade ago? Eat up.
Why would anyone run nowadays?Kajidourden said:Any idiot who gave them money deserves to wait that long. It was obvious to anyone with a functional brain this was way beyond their scope, ability, and budget.
Now to just wait for the inevitable "Yeahhhh we're gonna take this money and run" update.
I'm not sure what your bottom line is.Cazriel said:My overriding feeling about game forums is that they are little more than PvP by other means. Reading the posts by some authors it is so clear that they are engaging in a dick-waving contest. And as usual, once they get their dicks out, they just can't put them away. This is the primary dynamic in almost all gaming forums. No one is immune; everyone who games and participates in gaming forums does it to one degree or another.
While most PvP is impersonal and over quickly, some forum PvPers take it to the level of griefing. When you read Caspian's detailed post and then the asinine responses, the entitled jerk-offs pronouncing victory by verb, you realize that transparency in gaming is a mistake. Blizzard figured this out a decade ago and simply stopped telling their fans anything about anything except in very discrete, carefully controlled communications. Nobody likes it; but they don't care. They don't have to; they're Blizzard.
From my years behind the scenes in Human Resources, I have one iron-clad dictum: You never, ever know what is really going on. I could tell you stories of people who were fired for outrageous actions only to be told by someone who knows nothing about it a complete and utter fabrication of what really happened. Frequently. In other words, people just made assumptions based on what they thought they knew about what happened and were completely wrong, not even close, not even in the ballpark.
I experienced this so many times that it seems to me to be a universal truth of humanity. Even when you tell someone straight out they are wrong, they won't believe you because they absolutely know better. Doesn't matter. They're convinced. And yet, always, always, what was really going on was never known.
Gaming is no different. Even when a developer takes the time to write a lengthy description of his mistakes, his thinking, the unexpected problems he's faced, an explanation of how project management works, the inherent problems in same, and the messy business of life that affects all. It simply doesn't matter. We gamers know better. We know what's really going on.
Because in forum PvP, you never give ground unless you're a loser. You always want to be the guy who puts his dick away last.