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This. When I played Darkfall, we would sometimes hire to help protect if it was against and elite force or a force with more numbers. We had to pay and play the political game. The goal was to keep our city, I didn't care about "fairness" or "balance". I find PvP with real consequences much more fun than PvP e- sport stuff. I guess I do agree with OP that sometimes MMO PvPers are different types of players than the esport no consequences crowd.WW4BW said:Its war.. not a duel or sport.