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  • A dose of nostalgia...or how I found out how pampered I truely am.

    I've been playing MMOs for a long time. Nineteen ninety-seven to be exact. In that time I've rolled with every MMO fad and fashion, telling myself that I'm growing up with the genre and things have changed in my life and the lives' of the players that the genre has had to change with them to keep up with out demands. However, a recent experience threw up so many red flags that it bears repeating. I'll only describe three, but it's enough for you to get the picture.

    I've been playing ESO mostly with a few forays into GW2 when my guild asks and a beta or two, all the time keeping an eye out for the next new game. Something definitely was missing and that was the feeling of mystery and excitement I felt when playing older MMOs. I decided to go back and play some of the older games and see if I could recapture the magic.

    First up: Ultima Online. This was my first MMO and I remember how much fun I had playing it. In it's current state, it's just a shell of what it used to be and I was surprised to see some of the more modern mechanics added to the game to make it "easier". Three days and I uninstalled.

    Next up: Dark Age of Camelot: The second MMO I played back in the day. I purchased a month of time and installed. First thing I noticed was the game feels the same, but there are no people. I wandered everywhere, including RvR but one. Well, very few but you get the picture. The lack of players is what did it for me. One week and I uninstalled.

    Third time's a charm right?: World of Warcraft. No. Sorry. One day. Uninstalled. It's not even close to the game I remember from 2004-2006 when I played. It feels more like an amusement park. A billion different types of currency. A billion different things to do that have no cohesion whatsoever.

    I decided to try one more, Everquest's free to play, right? What's the harm?

    This is where things changed. First I had trouble finding my old characters but with a bit of effort I solved it. I logged in and it felt very much like the same game. There were some new things that were different, but I wasn't ready to explore them just yet, so off I went looking for something to do.

    I found a pirate on a dock. She had a feather over her head and I thought, "Right! That means she has something for me to do." I spoke with her and she offered me a quest. I clicked Accept and then...

    Wait. Shit. No markers telling me where to go. No arrows. Nothing. I'm going to have to read the quest text.

    Red Flag #1: Modern MMOs have so many visual guides about where to go and what to do that you don't have to read quest text anymore. We've become so accustomed to the "click, go, and collect" mindset that we bypass all the good bits.

    OK. Read the text. Go north and find a ship. Hmmm...only water to the north so it must be a sunken ship. Back to the quest text. Yep. It's a sunken ship.

    So I dive into the water and start looking. Nothing anywhere. No ship to be found. Now I have to surface because I'm running out of air. A few more tries and I'm thinking, "There has to be an easier way to do this."

    I vaguely remember I used to be able to swim underwater for longer periods of time so there must be a skill or something. No skill. In desperation I open up my inventory to find some breathing "masks" that give me thirty minutes underwater. Re-reading the quest text confirms it. Must stop skimming the quest text.

    Mask on. Back to the sea. Swimming north.

    Nothing. No sunken ship. A few boards here and there but no ship! WTF!!!

    A third read confirms it. The WRECKAGE of a sunken ship. Must stop skimming AND pay attention to the quest text. I swim over to the wreckage.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! You have found the ship! Yay! Now I need to find a chest and get the contents.

    There are several chests but nothing happens when I click on them. My first thought is, "Crap! the quest is broken!"

    Red Flag #2: We are so used to getting everything handed to us on a plate and so entitled to being successful the first time that it never occurs to us there might be a trick or puzzle to figure out. You know, like having to think about it.

    I look further. One of the chests over in the distance is slightly different. I swim over and open it. A monster appears. I kill him and then head back to the dock to turn in this very long quest.

    As I approach the dock, my NPC has no red book over her head. What happened? Am I supposed to talk to someone else? Again, "This quest must be broken!"

    Another trip to the quest text gives me no information other than I still need to loot the chest. Swimming back I realize that I TRIED to open the chest and the monster appeared. I had to kill him and open it again to get the contents. Must stop skimming, start paying attention, AND read text feedback in the chat window. Scrolling back proves it. See Red Flag #2 for reasons.

    I finally make it back to the NPC and turn in the quest. Yay! Done! Now to sell off the crap I gathered along the way.

    I walk up to a vendor and click...

    "This merchant won't to business with you." WTF? I'm the hero. Everyone loves me and wants to help me, dammit!

    Um, not in EQ II they don't because YOU ARE NOT A HERO.

    Red Flag #3: Modern games have to support the other two red flags because they place you in a hero's role. Failing would be out of place for a hero. Sorry. Not to mention that our egos have seemingly become more fragile over time where we can't deal with failure. Modern games capitalize on it.

    That's enough for today. As I log off, I realize that I ACTUALLY feel like I accomplished something and EARNED my loot. Something I haven't felt in a long time.

    I also realized that the old feeling I had playing EQ II for the first time was still there. It hadn't gone away.

    So what happens next?

    Well, I'm putting ESO on the back burner for a while and trying my hand at EQ II again. Don't get me wrong. It's far from perfect. The client crashes, there is some graphic weirdness, support sucks, and some of the newer features don't sit well with me, but overall it's a far better MMO experience than I've had in a long time. Kudos to the nostalgia factor and to EQ II for breaking me out of my modern MMO slumber.
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  • Lets get real regarding the graphics in Pantheon

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  • So are there still WoW clones being made we could whine about?

    It doesn't take a WoW clone to get people to whine on these forums. 

    Prerequisite: breathing
  • Bungie to Remove Gauntlet that Resembles Hate Group Symbol - Destiny 2 -

    Leiloni said:

    I yearn for the day when people once again learn to use their spine.

    Not going to happen. It's just going to get worse until people are offended by each other's mere presence.
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  • What I Miss from MMOs - Garrett Fuller at

    Dauzqul said:

    Nice read.

    You're right. There is certainly a "lack of purpose" in modern MMOs. There is almost no social realm anymore. Devs need to make incentives so that players will actually make use of Taverns, INNs, Cantinas, etc. Social skills and features are a huge welcome, e.g., LoTROs playable instruments, SWG's dancing / musician / image designer type classes, etc.

    Shroud of the Avatar was on the right track, but then they went a added player-owned towns after high-level backers started demanding them, realizing how much money they could make exploiting Garriott's name and the nostalgia of their fans.

    Now all the whales built their own little gated communities and hide in them to role-play with each other while the rest of the world is a ghost town.

    Giving people the ability to install utilities in their houses also discourages social activities. You should not have access to a banker in your house. Get off your ass and go to the fucking bank. Need a new sword? Go to the blacksmith and craft one.

    Players kept demanding convenience and when devs started adding them, the social aspect tanked.

    It's our own fault. Anyone on these forums using any mechanism in an MMO that discourages socializing has no right to complain about the lack of it in games.
  • Why are not more people playing this game here ?

    I bought it, played in beta for a while.. too much of a grind, I just don't enjoy the never ending resource grind. 
    Pick your grind. All MMOs have 'em.

    Option 1: Resource grind
    Option 2: Quest grind
    Option 3: Level grind
    Option 4: Legendary weapon/armor grind
    Option 5: PK grind
    Option 6: Achievement grind
    Option 7: Crafting grind
    Option 8: Currency grind
    Option 9: Skill grind

    Shall I go on?

    If the real problem is grind, you should stop playing MMOs.

  • Valnir Rok Early Access Preview -

    The sandbox survival genre may go down in history as the first genre to clone itself into mediocrity faster than theme park MMOs.

    If they want to “set themselves apart” then they have to do better than reskinning the same old survival game mechanics to try and fool the clueless into thinking they’re getting something new.

    But hey, Vikings. Make sure you capitalize on that before the trend fades.
  • Launch Day & Beyond - Our Exclusive Interview with Stefan Wiezorek - Albion Online Interviews

    Renoaku said:

    Krynt0k said:

    I thought release was today, but only for $100 whales... dang 2 more days to go

    Haha yeah I was a whale for 4 years before this last beta, the only real money I spent on any products was to their company and they know it too :P...

    But I was more of a whale in ArcheAge with 7 Premium Accounts.

    Did you buy gold from 3rd parties on all seven of those accounts as well?
  • The 10 Greatest MMORPGs of All Time - 2017 Edition - The List -

    Robsolf said:

    DMKano said:

    SBFord said:

    DMKano said:

    The list is just opinion.

    Astute observation and clearly mentioned in the first paragraph! ;)

    Didnt read.
    Wouldnt read again.

    Just like almost everyone else I only read the game titles.

    Could have litterally written anything under each game, like a recipe for a turducken under any of those games, majority wouldnt have noticed. 

    Wow... who pooped in YOUR corn flakes?

    He's right, though.

  • Muse to Close Out Blizzcon 2017 - World of Warcraft -

    It must have been hard work trying to find the shittiest band on the planet.

    OK, second. Coldplay wasn't available.