I think if EA had kept it at just cosmetic items on the Micro transaction side it would not be an issue .. but they made it PTW. I think selling anything in game that could give an edge for real money is 100% wrong. I really wanted to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 but not with the idea that someone can buy more damage in a game.
What is next, pay 10,000 USD and get GOD MODE enabled?
We already have games (Elyria) where you can spend $10,000 to be the King and have thousands of players subordinate to you...
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I think if EA had kept it at just cosmetic items on the Micro transaction side it would not be an issue .. but they made it PTW. I think selling anything in game that could give an edge for real money is 100% wrong. I really wanted to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 but not with the idea that someone can buy more damage in a game.
What is next, pay 10,000 USD and get GOD MODE enabled?
We already have games (Elyria) where you can spend $10,000 to be the King and have thousands of players subordinate to you...
I'm not asking for my gouverment to regulate my spending habits in games, but I'm in for it if they regulate the gaming companys predatory marketing schemes.
Over the last few years my hobby went like this: Sees new game, installs it, checks the market, sees lootboxes, checks content of lootboxes, sees items which give more power or materials for upgrading, uninstall game.
If companys think they can sell power or materials via their lootboxes then most people will show them the middlefinger and leave there are still games which offer a fair playing field. Problem is as time progresses and no limits are set in place gaming will become money>???>skill.
Imagine you buy a full price title in a few years, you play for a few hours and hit a paywall. Game Over screen turns on and a Loot Box pops up offering you an weapon/armor/etc. for your RL money. Either that or go farm said stuff for 30-40 hours. Then you think "I'm gonna refund that turd!!!" only to remember that you are lvl 10 and have allready played it for 5 hours so you are stuck with an 70$ demo.
So again I want regulations for companys so people can still enjoy an full price title in the future without any monetization bullsXXt.
I don't trust any politician, they're all just smoke and mirrors for the most part. EA just pushed it to far on a mainstream title, that a lot of kids would be playing further making it a terrible idea to put progression with micro-transactions. I think they learned there lesson, at least we can hope.
Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
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Let the government regulate micro-transactions Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions
The government wants to exploit for taxation and control. The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.
which is better?
PFFT!
there is a 3rd choice.
Not buy games that are not enjoyable
In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.
personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.
Who's going to do that? Thus my previous point. The Govt. or the industry?
The last thing gaming needs is to start getting treated the same way the government treats drugs...
Just make it impossible for underaged kids to spend their parents money and be done with it.
If a 25 year old can't restrain himself from spending all his money to get some crappy skin that he doesn't really need it's his issue. Better to spend it on loot boxes then on drugs or actual gambling, because someone who does that will probably veer towards one of those 2 options anyway since they are predisposed.
Let the government regulate micro-transactions Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions
The government wants to exploit for taxation and control. The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.
which is better?
PFFT!
there is a 3rd choice.
Not buy games that are not enjoyable
In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.
personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.
Who's going to do that? Thus my previous point. The Govt. or the industry?
neither.
dont buy the games.
again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.
you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Let the government regulate micro-transactions Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions
The government wants to exploit for taxation and control. The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.
which is better?
PFFT!
there is a 3rd choice.
Not buy games that are not enjoyable
In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.
personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.
Who's going to do that? Thus my previous point. The Govt. or the industry?
neither.
dont buy the games.
again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.
you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
You are serious?
You think that's just going to happen?
"No the Govt. doesn't need to regulate this. The industry will be kept in line because everyone will just boycott BFII."
...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.
Sucks, but it's there!
hmmm, but one person's "awesome people" is the next person's "unwashed masses".
Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.
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Let the government regulate micro-transactions Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions
The government wants to exploit for taxation and control. The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.
which is better?
PFFT!
there is a 3rd choice.
Not buy games that are not enjoyable
In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.
personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.
Who's going to do that? Thus my previous point. The Govt. or the industry?
neither.
dont buy the games.
again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.
you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
You are serious?
You think that's just going to happen?
"No the Govt. doesn't need to regulate this. The industry will be kept in line because everyone will just boycott BFII."
That's your answer?
I am not sure boycotting the games qualifies as the industry, but yes that is the solution, boycott the games (they are likely trash games anyway) and then free markets will take over. The industry however doesnt need a bunch of developer telling their competitors that they can not shoot themselves in the foot.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
We'll see. One thing I learned while I was in the Navy, is that it can always get worse.
oh dear ...
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I am astonished by the amount of people that want their government to babysit them. You are not required to purchase anything in a game. Be a grown up and don't buy shit you cannot afford or think is unfairly priced. It's pretty simple.
Yeah we are grown ups alright(or at least I would like to think that a good percentage of us are) and can easily avoid this crap.
The problem are most kids, who tap into their parents pockets for this nonsense.
You could then say: well they need better parenting or their parents should "git gud" at preventing the kids from tapping into the pockets(credit cards, bank accounts, creating fake paypal accounts with parents name etc.).
Regardless of the conclusion, we all know this is becoming a big problem that needs to be tackled asap. Unfortunately though, it hasn't been taken as seriously as it should have, for a few years now; we then find ourselves now having to involve the government, even though we will have to pay a price for their involvement (more monitoring and less freedom for gamers and developers alike).
This whole story sucks, but it would suck even more, if we don't take drastic measures.
@Scellow Excessive profanity aside, this wasn't a huge issue for 99% of gamers until about 2 weeks ago with Star Wars: Battlefront 2. Better now, than never.
I think it's pathetic that this issue needs a politician. Honestly, this issue starts and ends with gamers. If someone wants to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a game, it's their personal decision. I mean, aren't there more pressing issues than this?
I prefer to keep politicians and so-called "feminists" out of the gaming industry. We now live in a world that wants to legalize marijuana but limit your soft drinks to 16 ounces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_Drinks_Portion_Cap_Rule. I'm not a soda lover, but shouldn't people be allowed to purchase what they want without the government being involved?
It's gamers and their lack of control that started this problem in the first place.
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This has been a big problem for some time, it was only a matter of time before some company tried to turn a AAA game into a full on casino. Lootboxes need to die, get this shit out of our games.
I think it's pathetic that this issue needs a politician. Honestly, this issue starts and ends with gamers. If someone wants to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a game, it's their personal decision. I mean, aren't there more pressing issues than this?
I prefer to keep politicians and so-called "feminists" out of the gaming industry. We now live in a world that wants to legalize marijuana but limit your soft drinks to 16 ounces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_Drinks_Portion_Cap_Rule. I'm not a soda lover, but shouldn't people be allowed to purchase what they want without the government being involved?
It's gamers and their lack of control that started this problem in the first place.
Again, that was fine and dandy until diabetes and obesity started affecting everyone else's health insurance. Americans pay more for health insurance than any other nation (per person). Guess who's top 3 in the world for diabetics and top 20 in obesity rates? U.S.A! U.S.A!
Just like with corporate regulations, the government only steps in when the body being regulated has shown they can't be trusted to do so themselves.
These liberal fucking hacks can piss off.
Government needs to stay the fuck out of gaming. Turns out when we do not like a game or a company we don't buy their stuff. Government can screw off.
@Scellow Excessive profanity aside, this wasn't a huge issue for 99% of gamers until about 2 weeks ago with Star Wars: Battlefront 2. Better now, than never.
and gamers don´t make laws. Vote with your wallet? Experience tells, people always will buy an advantage in game... from buying ingame currency, power leveling, perks, hacks, etc.
I really question the sense of those who say "just don't buy it" like it's a cut and dry matter of purchase. It's about the industry and standards. If gamble to win goes unchecked it becomes the standard. "Just don't buy it" becomes, "go find something else to do". Same with any other consumer protections or regulations.
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this is a good thing believe it or not. I could care less about a politician but I really care that this one is taking a stand (regardless of his reason) maybe dude is a gamer who knows, but it feels good to know somebody is holding these greedy publishers accountable.. the gambling/loot-boxes/feeding on gamer addiction thing has gotten worse with each game released. You can blame gamers all you want, but at the end of the day we don't put the gambling shit in the games THEY do. They treat video games like mini casinos and not like video games. They aren't really the same. Something needs to be done.
You can and should hold a drug addict accountable for their actions, but at some point we need to go after the dealer too or nothing really changes.
i remember when cash shops were only in mobile games..
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So yes they have gone there .... SIGH
Over the last few years my hobby went like this: Sees new game, installs it, checks the market, sees lootboxes, checks content of lootboxes, sees items which give more power or materials for upgrading, uninstall game.
If companys think they can sell power or materials via their lootboxes then most people will show them the middlefinger and leave there are still games which offer a fair playing field. Problem is as time progresses and no limits are set in place gaming will become money>???>skill.
Imagine you buy a full price title in a few years, you play for a few hours and hit a paywall. Game Over screen turns on and a Loot Box pops up offering you an weapon/armor/etc. for your RL money. Either that or go farm said stuff for 30-40 hours. Then you think "I'm gonna refund that turd!!!" only to remember that you are lvl 10 and have allready played it for 5 hours so you are stuck with an 70$ demo.
So again I want regulations for companys so people can still enjoy an full price title in the future without any monetization bullsXXt.
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Thus my previous point.
The Govt. or the industry?
Just make it impossible for underaged kids to spend their parents money and be done with it.
If a 25 year old can't restrain himself from spending all his money to get some crappy skin that he doesn't really need it's his issue. Better to spend it on loot boxes then on drugs or actual gambling, because someone who does that will probably veer towards one of those 2 options anyway since they are predisposed.
dont buy the games.
again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.
you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You think that's just going to happen?
"No the Govt. doesn't need to regulate this. The industry will be kept in line because everyone will just boycott BFII."
That's your answer?
Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The industry however doesnt need a bunch of developer telling their competitors that they can not shoot themselves in the foot.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
One person finds gold, the next person finds crap.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Yeah we are grown ups alright(or at least I would like to think that a good percentage of us are) and can easily avoid this crap.
The problem are most kids, who tap into their parents pockets for this nonsense.
You could then say: well they need better parenting or their parents should "git gud" at preventing the kids from tapping into the pockets(credit cards, bank accounts, creating fake paypal accounts with parents name etc.).
Regardless of the conclusion, we all know this is becoming a big problem that needs to be tackled asap. Unfortunately though, it hasn't been taken as seriously as it should have, for a few years now; we then find ourselves now having to involve the government, even though we will have to pay a price for their involvement (more monitoring and less freedom for gamers and developers alike).
This whole story sucks, but it would suck even more, if we don't take drastic measures.
*Moves in to the microphone*
Wrong.
Ha! Because no one enjoys illegal stuff XD
It's kinda sad reading this thread and seeing how many people have no idea how the world works.
I prefer to keep politicians and so-called "feminists" out of the gaming industry. We now live in a world that wants to legalize marijuana but limit your soft drinks to 16 ounces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_Drinks_Portion_Cap_Rule. I'm not a soda lover, but shouldn't people be allowed to purchase what they want without the government being involved?
It's gamers and their lack of control that started this problem in the first place.
Just like with corporate regulations, the government only steps in when the body being regulated has shown they can't be trusted to do so themselves.
Government needs to stay the fuck out of gaming. Turns out when we do not like a game or a company we don't buy their stuff. Government can screw off.
and gamers don´t make laws. Vote with your wallet? Experience tells, people always will buy an advantage in game... from buying ingame currency, power leveling, perks, hacks, etc.
So yeah, it's good politicians pick this up.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Go away "progressives" We do not need gaming regulated by the State.
You can and should hold a drug addict accountable for their actions, but at some point we need to go after the dealer too or nothing really changes.
i remember when cash shops were only in mobile games..
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