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• Gobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 966

  November 2017

  This should be enjoyable just to watch.

  

  I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
• winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 737

  November 2017

  Keep it civil? Half of gamers don't know the meaning of the word civil. Lol

  
• Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,766

  November 2017

  Oh man. I don't see how this is going to work in EA's favor at all. I actually can't see how this will even work in general. Most angry people can't seem to contain themselves, and most of the EA responses to everything have been awful. This will be interesting to watch, but i can't expect much to come out of it. Unless EA announces the game is free with no loot boxes or DLC.
• Anthur Member UncommonPosts: 961

  November 2017

  I only would have one question: Is there any chance EA returns the star wars exclusive game license back to disney so it can be given to another company ?
  But I am not going to ask that in the AMA. They won't answer it anway. But imo the games they create for star wars don't do this IP justice.

  
• Scot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,955

  November 2017

  winghaven1 said:

  Keep it civil? Half of gamers don't know the meaning of the word civil. Lol

  
  Half of them know it means civil war, the other half don't know what it means and will beat the hell out of anyone who says they do.

  
• MadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505

  November 2017

  It will be interesting to hear how they respond to questions about the intent of the microtransactions and future of the system in both BF2 and other planned titles.
  
  It will be a very tense AMA. And the whole "pull out and end the AMA" card being held by EA adds to the tension.
  
  It could very easily go downhill due to either nonsensical gamer rage being repeatedly flung their way, or because EA sidesteps a tough question by giving a largely canned, generalized PR answer.

  

  
• SEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

  November 2017 edited November 2017

  MadFrenchie said:

  It will be interesting to hear how they respond to questions about the intent of the microtransactions and future of the system in both BF2 and other planned titles.
  
  It will be a very tense AMA. And the whole "pull out and end the AMA" card being held by EA adds to the tension.
  
  It could very easily go downhill due to either nonsensical gamer rage being repeatedly flung their way, or because EA sidesteps a tough question by giving a largely canned, generalized PR answer.

  They will say 'we feel we innovate too much'
  
  which is what they said about another game when it came to micro transactions. Their view on 'innovation' is the accounting department

  

  Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

  Please do not respond to me
• Kootur Member UncommonPosts: 352

  November 2017

  I feel like the post was botted down. There is no way a post about a game would get 500k down votes, I just don't believe that.
• Iselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

  November 2017

  That subredit's mods instituted a system of opening up the AMA an hour before EA gets there to let the users upvote the questions they most want answered and try to minimize "astroturfing" The #1 question so far is:
  
  

  The now infamous Reddit comment stated that the progression system was created to "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment." How do you justify a system that takes 4528 hours or $2100 to unlock everything (not counting the future content)? That's over twice the amount of working a full time, 40 hour-a-week job for a year, and very few people will play even a quarter of that. What are your plans to retain a playerbase with such a slow progression system?

  
  

  

  "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

  
  

  ― Umberto Eco

  
  “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
  ― CD PROJEKT RED
  
  
• SEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

  November 2017

  why even bother.
  
  sorry but I have been done with EA for a long time. The topic in question assumes the base game itself is worth bothering with and its likely not.

  Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

  Please do not respond to me
• CrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

  November 2017

  Iselin said:

  That subredit's mods instituted a system of opening up the AMA an hour before EA gets there to let the users upvote the questions they most want answered and try to minimize "astroturfing" The #1 question so far is:
  
  

  The now infamous Reddit comment stated that the progression system was created to "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment." How do you justify a system that takes 4528 hours or $2100 to unlock everything (not counting the future content)? That's over twice the amount of working a full time, 40 hour-a-week job for a year, and very few people will play even a quarter of that. What are your plans to retain a playerbase with such a slow progression system?

  
  

  
  It's an interesting question, but the idea of "completion" to anyone who has played an MMO should be a relatively foreign concept. That being said, the idea of nearly infinite progress will, obviously, be foreign to many people who play these shooters, etc. Also, I'm not sure how it works if they intend to make this a competitive game, which it might or might not. 
  
  Obviously this isn't an issue with the single-player game, right? So should progression afterwards be capped? 

  

  Crazkanuk

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• Iselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

  November 2017

  CrazKanuk said:

  Iselin said:

  That subredit's mods instituted a system of opening up the AMA an hour before EA gets there to let the users upvote the questions they most want answered and try to minimize "astroturfing" The #1 question so far is:
  
  

  The now infamous Reddit comment stated that the progression system was created to "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment." How do you justify a system that takes 4528 hours or $2100 to unlock everything (not counting the future content)? That's over twice the amount of working a full time, 40 hour-a-week job for a year, and very few people will play even a quarter of that. What are your plans to retain a playerbase with such a slow progression system?

  
  

  
  It's an interesting question, but the idea of "completion" to anyone who has played an MMO should be a relatively foreign concept. That being said, the idea of nearly infinite progress will, obviously, be foreign to many people who play these shooters, etc. Also, I'm not sure how it works if they intend to make this a competitive game, which it might or might not. 
  
  Obviously this isn't an issue with the single-player game, right? So should progression afterwards be capped? 

  Well as someone who enjoys the SP part in adventure shooters the most, I know that the Battlefield and BF games are not for me because their SP campaigns are always in the 5-7 hour range as opposed to games like ME where it's primarily about the SP game with a good 80-100 hour campaign.
  
  But I have been an Origin member for quite a while, so I get to play them for free eventually just for the SP part as I've done in the past. They're not worth even the nominal entry fee for me but DICE does make excellent games.
  
  I am merely an interested and biased observer in this fight watching it for all the implications that progressively more and more predatory MT practices have on gaming in general and the social media reaction to it. But I wouldn't have bought it anyway... it'll come to Origin Access eventually and then I'll play the SP campaign

  

  "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

  
  

  ― Umberto Eco

  
  “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
  ― CD PROJEKT RED
  
  
• MadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505

  November 2017

  Iselin said:

  CrazKanuk said:

  Iselin said:

  That subredit's mods instituted a system of opening up the AMA an hour before EA gets there to let the users upvote the questions they most want answered and try to minimize "astroturfing" The #1 question so far is:
  
  

  The now infamous Reddit comment stated that the progression system was created to "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment." How do you justify a system that takes 4528 hours or $2100 to unlock everything (not counting the future content)? That's over twice the amount of working a full time, 40 hour-a-week job for a year, and very few people will play even a quarter of that. What are your plans to retain a playerbase with such a slow progression system?

  
  

  
  It's an interesting question, but the idea of "completion" to anyone who has played an MMO should be a relatively foreign concept. That being said, the idea of nearly infinite progress will, obviously, be foreign to many people who play these shooters, etc. Also, I'm not sure how it works if they intend to make this a competitive game, which it might or might not. 
  
  Obviously this isn't an issue with the single-player game, right? So should progression afterwards be capped? 

  Well as someone who enjoys the SP part in adventure shooters the most, I know that the Battlefield and BF games are not for me because their SP campaigns are always in the 5-7 hour range as opposed to games like ME where it's primarily about the SP game with a good 80-100 hour campaign.
  
  But I have been an Origin member for quite a while, so I get to play them for free eventually just for the SP part as I've done in the past. They're not worth even the nominal entry fee for me but DICE does make excellent games.
  
  I am merely an interested and biased observer in this fight watching it for all the implications that progressively more and more predatory MT practices have on gaming in general and the social media reaction to it. But I wouldn't have bought it anyway... it'll come to Origin Access eventually and then I'll play the SP campaign

  Your last paragraph is important.  Way too many folks seem to think these moneitzation schemes and releases exist in some kind of a vacuum.  Entities like Activision are very obviously watching this story and game release play out and looking for signs that they can leverage the same kind (or less consumer-friendly kinds) of monetization systems in their future releases.

  

  
• TalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247

  November 2017 edited November 2017

  I think the warnings are telling.
  
  There will be very little about the p2w loot boxes. Ask us and we will walk away.
  
  This will be nothing more than ignoring the F2P issue and acting like everything is ok.
  
  Dog and pony show......

  Post edited by TalulaRose on November 2017

  
• CrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

  November 2017

  Iselin said:

  CrazKanuk said:

  Iselin said:

  That subredit's mods instituted a system of opening up the AMA an hour before EA gets there to let the users upvote the questions they most want answered and try to minimize "astroturfing" The #1 question so far is:
  
  

  The now infamous Reddit comment stated that the progression system was created to "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment." How do you justify a system that takes 4528 hours or $2100 to unlock everything (not counting the future content)? That's over twice the amount of working a full time, 40 hour-a-week job for a year, and very few people will play even a quarter of that. What are your plans to retain a playerbase with such a slow progression system?

  
  

  
  It's an interesting question, but the idea of "completion" to anyone who has played an MMO should be a relatively foreign concept. That being said, the idea of nearly infinite progress will, obviously, be foreign to many people who play these shooters, etc. Also, I'm not sure how it works if they intend to make this a competitive game, which it might or might not. 
  
  Obviously this isn't an issue with the single-player game, right? So should progression afterwards be capped? 

  Well as someone who enjoys the SP part in adventure shooters the most, I know that the Battlefield and BF games are not for me because their SP campaigns are always in the 5-7 hour range as opposed to games like ME where it's primarily about the SP game with a good 80-100 hour campaign.
  
  But I have been an Origin member for quite a while, so I get to play them for free eventually just for the SP part as I've done in the past. They're not worth even the nominal entry fee for me but DICE does make excellent games.
  
  I am merely an interested and biased observer in this fight watching it for all the implications that progressively more and more predatory MT practices have on gaming in general and the social media reaction to it. But I wouldn't have bought it anyway... it'll come to Origin Access eventually and then I'll play the SP campaign

  
  Same, I don't much care for the multiplayer. I don't even mind the campaign length, since that's usually what we get in FPS. I might have to check out Origin membership. I've thought about it a couple times, never bought. 
  

  Crazkanuk

  ----------------
  Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
  Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
  Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
  Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
  Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
  ----------------
• heerobya Member UncommonPosts: 465

  November 2017

  The way I think about it... instead of 3-4 $10-20 DLC packs, totaling an additional $30-80 bucks they would hope to get out of players, they instead decided to keep players together by releasing all the content for free, but hoping players spend $30-80 on loot boxes because it is very, very tempting to spend $5-10 bucks here and there to get a little boost.
  
  Is it predatory? I don't think so, but I've never been one to be drawn to gambling and other addictive kind of predatory things.
  
  I really don't feel like having the extra 5% boost here and there from having an epic card vs. the easily craftable Rare card is that big of a deal, personally.
  
  I can (hopefully) make up for 5-10% difference by playing smarter, and also (hopefully) a lot of uber-elite power gamers were turned off so the competition won't be as fierce!
• Gobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 966

  November 2017

  There are some good hard questions over their and they are mostly going unanswered. This isn't going to end well for EA/Dice. They even managed to make Wall Street take a look..https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/15/wall-street-is-getting-worried-social-media-outrage-over-eas-star-wars-game-may-hurt-sales.html

  

  I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
• Iselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

  November 2017

  For anyone interested in the responses to questions, just sort the comments by "q&a" and someone is collating all the answered questions there:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7d4qft/star_wars_battlefront_ii_dice_developer_ama/?sort=qa
  
  

  

  "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

  
  

  ― Umberto Eco

  
  “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
  ― CD PROJEKT RED
  
  
• SEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

  November 2017

  Iselin said:

  For anyone interested in the responses to questions, just sort the comments by "q&a" and someone is collating all the answered questions there:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7d4qft/star_wars_battlefront_ii_dice_developer_ama/?sort=qa
  
  

  lol...
  
  I could just see my questions
  'why would anyone buy this game REGARDLESS of how it monetizes or how much it monetizes
  
  

  Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

  Please do not respond to me
• Copperfield Member RarePosts: 654

  November 2017

  i hope all the star wars followers boycot this game to death..
  
  there has to be a stop to all these mirco transactions crap into games.
  
  There is a big chance that this might be the right time for a turnaround on these crappy money making machines
  
  
  I still dont understand why the ingame gambling boxes are permitted
• SEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

  November 2017 edited November 2017

  Copperfield said:

  ....
  
  
  I still dont understand why the ingame gambling boxes are permitted

  Well generally speaking the U.S. Free Market principles are pretty strongly supported unless it directly affects public health and safety. Although these features operate like gambling its not gambling for money so its new territory for legal discussion. as a result of course, this means companies can exploit and will likely continue to move the bar closer and closer to gambling until someone makes them stop.
  
  For me personally, out of a lack of ignorance no doubt, am on the fence to the question of is gambling unethical or not as a general concept.

  

  Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

  Please do not respond to me
• TalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247

  November 2017

  Become a streamer.
  
  If popular the devs will give you the game for free.
  If not popular your community may buy the game and boxes for you.
  
  Problem solved.
  
  Based on how popular it is atm on Twitch the p2w loot box model will do fine. The people that have the platform to get EA to listen have already decided its ok for them. Cant blame them, when you get the stuff for free its hard to support the ones who don't.
  
• Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 570

  November 2017

  I am professing my ignorance meaning lack of knowledge, what does "AMA" mean?
  
• laxie Member RarePosts: 1,118

  November 2017 edited November 2017

  Jamar870 said:

  I am professing my ignorance meaning lack of knowledge, what does "AMA" mean?
  

  ask-me-anything.
  It's basically a "forum interview" format on Reddit. A person goes to the forums, Redditers start posting questions and the person answers as many as they can, in the couple of hours they have.

  
• TalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247

  November 2017

  In this case, they read from a script and said we may look at the p2w loot box thing at a later date. Nothing else to take away from the ama.